Victoria Nuland: Ukraine Has "Biological Research Facilities," Worried Russia May Seize Them
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The neocon's confession sheds critical light on the U.S. role in Ukraine, and raises vital questions about these labs that deserve answers.
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Glenn Greenwald
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Self-anointed "fact-checkers" in the U.S. corporate press have spent two weeksmocking asdisinformation and a false conspiracy theory the claim that Ukraine has biological weapons labs, either alone or with U.S. support. They never presented any evidence for their ruling — how could they possibly know? and how could they prove the negative? — but nonetheless they invoked their characteristically authoritative, above-it-all tone of self-assurance and self-arrogated right to decree the truth, definitively labelling such claims false.
Claims that Ukraine currently maintains dangerous biological weapons labs came from Russia as well as China. The Chinese Foreign Ministry this month claimed: "The US has 336 labs in 30 countries under its control, including 26 in Ukraine alone." The Russian Foreign Ministry asserted that "Russia obtained documents proving that Ukrainian biological laboratories located near Russian borders worked on development of components of biological weapons." Such assertions deserve the same level of skepticism as U.S. denials: namely, none of it should be believed to be true or false absent evidence. Yet U.S. fact-checkers dutifully and reflexively sided with the U.S. Government to declare such claims "disinformation" and to mock them as QAnon conspiracy theories.
Unfortunately for this propaganda racket masquerading as neutral and high-minded fact-checking, the neocon official long in charge of U.S. policy in Ukraine testified on Monday before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and strongly suggested that such claims are, at least in part, true. Yesterday afternoon, Under Secretary of State Victoria Nuland appeared before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL), hoping to debunk growing claims that there are chemical weapons labs in Ukraine, smugly asked Nuland: "Does Ukraine have chemical or biological weapons?"
Rubio undoubtedly expected a flat denial by Nuland, thus providing further "proof" that such speculation is dastardly Fake News emanating from the Kremlin, the CCP and QAnon. Instead, Nuland did something completely uncharacteristic for her, for neocons, and for senior U.S. foreign policy officials: for some reason, she told a version of the truth. Her answer visibly stunned Rubio, who — as soon as he realized the damage she was doing to the U.S. messaging campaign by telling the truth — interrupted her and demanded that she instead affirm that if a biological attack were to occur, everyone should be "100% sure" that it was Russia who did it. Grateful for the life raft, Nuland told Rubio he was right.
But Rubio's clean-up act came too late. When asked whether Ukraine possesses "chemical or biological weapons," Nuland did not deny this: at all. She instead — with palpable pen-twirling discomfort and in halting speech, a glaring contrast to her normally cocky style of speaking in obfuscatory State Department officialese — acknowledged: "uh, Ukraine has, uh, biological research facilities." Any hope to depict such "facilities" as benign or banal was immediately destroyed by the warning she quickly added: "we are now in fact quite concerned that Russian troops, Russian forces, may be seeking to, uh, gain control of [those labs], so we are working with the Ukrainiahhhns [sic] on how they can prevent any of those research materials from falling into the hands of Russian forces should they approach" — [interruption by Sen. Rubio]:
Nuland's bizarre admission that "Ukraine has biological research facilities" that are dangerous enough to warrant concern that they could fall into Russian hands ironically constituted more decisive evidence of the existence of such programs in Ukraine than what was offered in 2002 and 2003 to corroborate U.S. allegations about Saddam's chemical and biological programs in Iraq. An actual against-interest confession from a top U.S. official under oath is clearly more significant than Colin Powell's holding up some test tube with an unknown substance inside while he pointed to grainy satellite images that nobody could decipher.
It should go without saying that the existence of a Ukrainian biological "research" program does not justify an invasion by Russia, let alone an attack as comprehensive and devastating as the one unfolding: no more than the existence of a similar biological program under Saddam would have rendered the 2003 U.S. invasion of Iraq justifiable. But Nuland's confession does shed critical light on several important issues and raises vital questions that deserve answers.
Any attempt to claim that Ukraine's biological facilities are just benign and standard medical labs is negated by Nuland's explicitly grave concern that "Russian forces may be seeking to gain control of" those facilities and that the U.S. Government therefore is, right this minute, "working with the Ukrainians on how they can prevent any of those research materials from falling into the hands of Russian forces." Russia has its own advanced medical labs. After all, it was one of the first countries to develop a COVID vaccine, one which Lancet , on February 1, 2021, pronounced was " safe and effective" (even though U.S. officials pressured multiple countries, including Brazil, not to accept any Russian vaccine, while U.S. allies such as Australia refused for a full year to recognize the Russian COVID vaccine for purposes of its vaccine mandate). The only reason to be "quite concerned" about these "biological research facilities" falling into Russian hands is if they contain sophisticated materials that Russian scientists have not yet developed on their own and which could be used for nefarious purposes — i.e. , either advanced biological weapons or dual-use "research" that has the potential to be weaponized.
What is in those Ukrainian biological labs that make them so worrisome and dangerous? And has Ukraine, not exactly known for being a great power with advanced biological research, had the assistance of any other countries in developing those dangerous substances? Is American assistance confined to what Nuland described at the hearing — "working with the Ukrainians on how they can prevent any of those research materials from falling into the hands of Russian forces" — or did the U.S. assistance extend to the construction and development of the "biological research facilities" themselves?
For all the dismissive language used over the last two weeks by self-described "fact-checkers," it is confirmed that the U.S. has worked with Ukraine, as recently as last year, in the "development of a bio-risk management culture; international research partnerships; and partner capacity for enhanced bio-security, bio-safety, and bio-surveillance measures." The U.S. Embassy in Ukraine publicly boasted of its collaborative work with Ukraine "to consolidate and secure pathogens and toxins of security concern and to continue to ensure Ukraine can detect and report outbreaks caused by dangerous pathogens before they pose security or stability threats."
This joint US/Ukraine biological research is, of course, described by the State Department in the most unthreatening way possible. But that again prompts the question of why the U.S. would be so gravely concerned about benign and common research falling into Russian hands. It also seems very odd, to put it mildly, that Nuland chose to acknowledge and describe the "facilities" in response to a clear, simple question from Sen. Rubio about whether Ukraine possesses chemical and biological weapons . If these labs are merely designed to find a cure for cancer or create safety measures against pathogens, why, in Nuland's mind, would it have anything to do with a biological and chemical weapons program in Ukraine?
The indisputable reality is that — despite long-standing international conventions banning development of biological weapons — all large, powerful countries conduct research that, at the very least, has the capacity to be converted into biological weapons. The work conducted under the guise of "defensive research" can, and sometimes is, easily converted into the banned weapons themselves. Recall that, according to the FBI, the 2001 anthrax attacks that terrorized the nation came from a U.S. Army Research scientist, Dr. Bruce Ivins, working at the U.S. Army's infectious disease research lab in Fort Detrick, Maryland. The claim was that the Army was "merely" conducting defensive research to find vaccines and other protections against weaponized anthrax, but to do so, the Army had to create highly weaponized anthrax strains, which Ivins then unleashed as a weapon.
A 2011 PBS Frontline program on those anthrax attacks explained: "in October 2001, Northern Arizona University microbiologist Dr. Paul Keim identified that the anthrax used in the attack letters was the Ames strain, a development he described as 'chilling' because that particular strain was developed in U.S. government laboratories." Speaking to Frontline in 2011, Dr. Keim explained why it was so alarming to discover that the U.S. Army had been cultivating such highly lethal and dangerous strains in its lab, on U.S. soil:
We were surprised it was the Ames strain. And it was chilling at the same time, because the Ames strain is a laboratory strain that had been developed by the U.S. Army as a vaccine-challenge strain. We knew that it was highly virulent. In fact, that's why the Army used it, because it represented a more potent challenge to vaccines that were being developed by the U.S. Army. It wasn't just some random type of anthrax that you find in nature; it was a laboratory strain, and that was very significant to us, because that was the first hint that this might really be a bioterrorism event.
This lesson about the severe dangers of so-called dual-use research into biological weapons was re-learned over the last two years as a result of the COVID pandemic. While the origins of that virus have not yet been proven with dispositive evidence (though remember, fact-checkers declared early on that it was definitively established that it came from species-jumping and that any suggestion of a lab leak was a "conspiracy theory," only for the Biden White House in mid-2021 to admit they did not know the origins and ordered an investigation to determine whether it came from a lab leak), what is certain is that the Wuhan Institute of Virology was manipulating various coronavirus strains to make them more contagious and lethal. The justification was that doing so is necessary to study how vaccines could be developed, but regardless of intent, cultivating dangerous biological strains has the capacity to kill huge numbers of people. All of this illustrates that research that is classified as "defensive" can easily be converted, deliberately or otherwise, into extremely destructive biological weapons.
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At the very least, Nuland's surprising revelation reveals, yet again, just how heavily involved the U.S. Government is and for years has been in Ukraine, on the part of Russia's border which U.S. officials and scholars from across the spectrum have spent decades warning is the most sensitive and vulnerable for Moscow. It was Nuland herself, while working for Hillary Clinton and John Kerry's State Department under President Obama, who was heavily involved in what some call the 2014 revolution and others call the "coup" that resulted in a change of government in Ukraine from a Moscow-friendly regime to one far more favorable to the EU and the West. All of this took place as the Ukrainian energy company Burisma paid $50,000 per month not to the son of a Ukrainian official but to Joe Biden's son, Hunter: a reflection of who wielded real power inside Ukraine.
Nuland not only worked for both the Obama and Biden State Departments to run Ukraine policy (and, in many ways, Ukraine itself), but she also was Vice President Dick Cheney's deputy national security adviser and then President Bush's Ambassador to NATO. She comes from one of America's most prestigious neocon royal families; her husband, Robert Kagan, was a co-founder of the notorious neocon war-mongering group Project for the New American Century, which advocated regime change in Iraq long before 9/11. It was Kagan, along with liberal icon Bill Kristol, who (next to current editor-in-chief of The Atlantic Jeffrey Goldberg), was most responsible for the lie that Saddam was working hand-in-hand with Al Qaeda, a lie that played a key role in convincing Americans to believe that Saddam was personally involved in the planning of 9/11.
That a neocon like Nuland is admired and empowered regardless of the outcome of elections illustrates how unified and in lockstep the establishment wings of both parties are when it comes to questions of war, militarism and foreign policy. Indeed, Nuland's husband, Robert Kagan, was signaling that neocons would likely support Hillary Clinton for president — doing so in 2014, long before anyone imagined Trump as her opponent — based on the recognition that the Democratic Party was now more hospitable to neocon ideology than the GOP, where Ron Paul and then Trump's neo-isolationism was growing.
You can vote against neocons all you want, but they never go away. The fact that a member of one of the most powerful neocon families in the U.S. has been running Ukraine policy for the U.S. for years — having gone from Dick Cheney to Hillary Clinton and Obama and now to Biden — underscores how little dissent there is in Washington on such questions. It is Nuland's extensive experience in wielding power in Washington that makes her confession yesterday so startling: it is the sort of thing people like her lie about and conceal, not admit. But now that she did admit it, it is crucial that this revelation not be buried and forgotten.
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For two weeks we heard this was debbbbbbbbbooooonked, Fake News etc. The garbage fact checkers and those who carry water for our government and their misdeeds have finally been exposed for what they really are.
Glen Greenwald is a Pulitzer prize winning journalist, he is a very liberal but unlike many of his collogues he despises fake news and journalists incapable of telling the truth.
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Bring it on, you have nothing but childish insults.
There's that placard that I see on various seeds. This is what really ruins intelligent conversation around here.
Imagine claiming to be a progressive and watching progressive policy propel us backward to 1977? Need we say more?
So why are they so worried about these labs falling into Russian hands?
If all they really are is benign research facilities trying to come up with vaccines to deadly viruses that could result in a pandemic?
Sorry, let me correct that- deadly unique man made viruses made at the labs that they conduct research on in order to find a cure.
What could possibly go wrong?
As for this statement from the article.
Way to give cover in case any of those Ukrainian fascist or Nazi militias decide to conduct some bio warfare on the Russians. I am sure they hate the Russians more than enough to break into one of these benign bio research centers and steal whatever diseases they come across.
What the fuck are we doing funding and aiding this type of research throughout the world? Isn't there enough scientists right here in the US studying this very thing under far more secure conditions?
Um, you know that smallpox virus is kept around to produce smallpox vaccine, yes?
And the same for other pathogens.
You're aware that you need the pathogen to produce the vaccine, yes? I mean, this is middle school level science here. Edward Jenner, and all that.
We already have small pox vaccines and the virus in our own lab. I am sure the Russians have them too and the virus.
I mean who would think Ukraine is the only lab with a smallpox virus.
Of course we do. And of course Russia does.
Which is exactly why Ukraine having labs that house dangerous pathogens is not evidence for Ukraine (with US support) being engaged in research into biological weapons.
There are plenty of reasons for concern about Russian soldiers breaching those labs that have nothing to do with Ukraine engaging in biological warfare. A breach could result in an outbreak of a dangerous disease. A breach could eliminate Ukraine's supply of vaccines against dangerous diseases. A breach could result in Russia turning Ukraine's legitimate medical research and pharmaceutical production into biological warfare against Ukrainians.
Why the concern if the Russians can already do that with their own lab?
Didn't Nuland say it would be bad if the Ukraine lab fell into Russian's hand? Sounds to me that Nuland is evading answering to what is really going on at the Ukraine lab.
Russia can already do that if they really wany to. They don't need the Ukraine lab.
Nuland just needs to be honest about what is going on at the Ukraine lab.
Can the Russians transport pathogens for biological warfare without compromising the safety of their own troops, or their own people while on Russian soil? I mean, they forgot to gas up the car and buy road snacks before leaving Moscow, so I'm guessing at least a few were worried about this capability, if biological warfare was on Russia's wartime list of possibilities.
And a breach could cause severe damage just via incompetence, if Russian soldiers don't know what they've broken into. They see a secure facility, assume it's sheltering soldiers (or pretend to assume as much, as with the recent attack on babies and pregnant women in labor), break in, and accidentally unleash something nasty.
They could also deliberately destroy needed vaccines and the ability of Ukrainians to produce vaccines, which could cause unnecessary suffering and risk of pandemic for years to come.
Oh gawd, getting very far fetched here. Russia has very sophisticated weapons...wow they even have managed to handle nuclear weapons for years without blowing up the world!
You are getting well into the weeds now because you have to try and make sense of Nuland's words and yours.
Russian doesn't need a Ukraine lab to destroy Ukraine...good grief.
They aren't. This is all Russian cover for Russia using biological weapons against Ukrainians and then blaming it on the USA to Russians!
A lot of y'all are being used as Russian patsies.
There are already arrests being made of those who cooperate with Russian State Intelligence Services here to spread Russian propaganda and disinformation on American social media.
Well, there is that little thing called Chernobyl.
You're arguing both sides here in your attempt to vilify Ukraine. Russia has sophisticated weapons, even nuclear ones, but they blew up Chernobyl, didn't they? And they attacked a nuclear power plant just last week. They are not especially concerned with handling dangerous things safely, even if they have the capability, which is not certain.
You seem to support the idea that the US and Ukraine are making biological weapons in Ukraine, evidenced only by the fact that Ukraine has labs that contain pathogens, same as every other country that engages in biological research or pharmaceuticals development and manufacture. Every college that teaches a microbiology class has pathogens in petri dishes and test tubes. Every biology major who graduated with a bachelor's degree has grown some pathogens as part of coursework pursuant to a degree in biology. That does not mean they were engaging in biological warfare.
It also does not mean that those pathogens couldn't cause damage in malicious or incompetent hands. I wouldn't have wanted a child or even a careless or clumsy adult running around my college biology labs. It could easily have resulted in somebody being sick. Care is needed. Soldiers aren't always careful not to break things in the country they're trying to conquer. Destruction is part of their goal.
Russia might not need a Ukraine lab to destroy Ukraine, but they could easily damage Ukraine with what is contained within a biology lab, either on purpose or by incompetence.
No, a simple no to the question given to Nuland would have suffice but she didn't do that did she?
Now you are comparing a college teaching lab to bioresearch labs...
Of course it could. Didn't anyone say different? So could the lab Russia already has.
Again, a simple no would have suffice to the question, instead of evading the question.
Nope, just pointing out that "biolab" doesn't mean "biological warfare development lab" just because pathogens are stored there, any more than your kitchen is a chemical warfare lab just because you have nutmeg (psychoactive and potentially fatal in large quantities) in your spice cabinet, or your garden just because you grow rhubarb.
Then why is it so ominous that Nuland is concerned that such labs could fall to Russian control. You admit it's a problem, but only want it to be the problem you want it to be.
Why the anti-American sentiments?
And the US has 3 Mile Island.
Russia already has a lab that can cause problems. If it is so concerning that Russia can't handle a biolab with deadly viruses, then why is WHO letting them have one?
Questioning our government is anti-American? Why would you feel that way?
Assuming evil intent by the US in order to support a war of aggression by a known criminal who is spreading anti-American propaganda to support his attacks is, yes.
Perhaps you need a history lesson....
The 13 Most Evil US Government Human Experiments - War Is Crime
Yes, we did but your comment was that Russia was very good at not having nuclear disasters which were BS.
They are just as good as the US.
Since Chernobyl was one of two nuclear disasters that registered 7 on the INES scale, the other being Fukashima they do hold the record for being the worst. Three Mile Island was a 5 on the INES scale.
In fact, Russia had a 6 (the US has never had a 6) it was the Kyshtym Nuclear disaster.
So both countries had nuclear accidents. Both are capable of accidentally destroying the planet. What are you trying to prove?
Not trying to prove anything, just showing you the facts which you seemed to have missed.
Cheers
So do your facts change anything? What is the point?
Of course, they do, they show that the Russians has a worse record than the US when it comes to major nuclear accidents.
So what is the point in posting that in regards to the discussion of the article?
Anything recent? BTW, some of those were not intentional. They were research gone awry. Not good, obviously, but not evil, either.
You know that Russia poisons dissidents, right? Polonium is pretty popular with Putin and friends. But hey, I'm sure they wouldn't use biological or chemical warfare.
You know how Russia's strategy has been playing out, right? Accuse Ukraine of oppression, and "liberate" those they oppress by invading them. Accuse the Ukrainian President of being a Nazi (really, a Jewish Nazi), and of committing war crimes, while attacking a maternity hospital.
Or maybe you don't know. Maybe their lies are effective with you. Not with the rest of us.
Which ones where accidents? You must feel that anyone questioning those gawd awful evil events where anti-American. Your support of these evil acts perpetrated by the US is well noted.
That was your comment that I responded to in case you forgot what you were/are talking about.
Yeah. Have they blown up the world? What is your point again?
US is the only country who has detonated an atomic weapon in a war conflict.
I have no problem with questioning bad practices that are actually occurring. I do have a problem with assuming they must be occurring because enemies of the US actually engaged in a war of aggression say they are.
Which ones were accidents?
The one in San Francisco. The government was testing dispersal, and didn't think the bacteria would actually infect anybody.
Of course, one mentioned was in Japan, and not the US at all. Another was in Nazi Germany.
The mosquitos, BTW, were not infected with anything.
And the most recent was 50 years ago.
Yes, the US has done things it should not be proud of with regard to human experimentation. That does not mean they continue to do so.
Russia hasn't been averse to killing its citizens with bad science.
China followed suit and let bad science starve a bunch of its people. Odd, isn't it, that China is helping spread Russian propaganda again?
A counterpoint to your point, pretty simple to understand, give it a try.
Yes, we are, what is your point?
Russian experiments or government policies have killed millions.
So your counterpoint is Russia has blown up the world.
You disagree with that statement… too funny.
Apparently you do have problems with anyone questioning government. You said it is anti-American.
Who has assumed anything?
Nice try but it was to show that the Russians are not that good at handling nuclear properties. Of which I gave you the incidents.
Too funny that you keep trying to spin everything.
Carry on but be careful not to get dizzy from spinning.
Those who equate "biological research" with "biological warfare", and their supporters.
And neither is the US. You still have no relevant point regarding the bio lab.
I used the comment that you provided. I can’t help it if don’t understand your own replies.
It seems that you're the one that has a lack of understanding, keep trying you may get it eventually.
Who has done that? Please provide quotes.
Nah. I would say it is you.
Anyone saying "why are the so worried about Russians gaining control of the labs, if they haven't done anything wrong?", thereby betraying a grave misunderstanding of the science of vaccine production and safe handling of pathogens.
Who said the Russians haven’t done anything wrong? You didn’t provide any quotes.
Good grief. Keep up, please. This entire thread started on the assumption that, if Ukraine (and its supporter, the US) are afraid of Russia gaining control of Ukrainian biological research labs, it must be because they, meaning Ukraine and the US, are engaging in biological warfare development. It is an assumption that deadly pathogens would only be stored at such a facility that betrays an appalling lack of knowledge of science and, well, reality.
Any pharmaceutical research facility stores pathogens.
As does any university biology lab.
Hell, when a doctor sends off a urine sample for culture and sensitivity testing, pathogens are transported from the doctor's office to the hospital or free-standing lab and then cultured (yeah, we actually grow pathogens for medical diagnosis).
Storing pathogens does not make Ukraine or the US guilty of anything at all.
You might want to tell your pals.
When you make statements about what people think or claim you need to provide proof, otherwise your comments have no justification. You still have not provided any quotes.
Nobody said it must mean anything.
Nobody has stated anything you claimed.
Just your imagination running away with you.
Good grief fer sure.
There's a quote for you, since you demand spoon-feeding.
That is a question. Good gawd.
Again where are all the quotes for what you claim?
A loaded question, which anybody can recognize.
You choose to see it that way.
You haven’t substianted any of your claims. That is what is clear here.
The original "claim" was that Ukraine was engaging in biological weapons research, with US support. That claim was not supported. The evidence offered was false equivalence, rumor, and innuendo supporting a presumption of guilt. A house of cards, propped up (badly) by Russian apologists.
chris hayes had a great story on it tonight. russian propaganda about it dominates the alt-right media, tucker carlson runs with the story on FOX last night, and the driver of the russian clown car repeats it at the UN today. suckers! one and all...
Nobody on this thread said if it was a true or false claim.
I see you buy into attacking anyone who questions the US government as Russian apologist.
Following your pals I see.
Sad.
Sure, they didn't. No lies, innuendoes, or rumors here.
No matter how many times they're made fools of, they keep on coming back for more.
Your right for once.
Have you found any quotes for your false claims?
*You're*
Apparently, both questions that are actually accusations and sarcasm are things you don't recognize.
Also:
The question contains a presumption.
A question is a question. Nothing else. Because you choose to interpret it different means nothing.
Find those quotes yet? Apparently your accusations are unjustified too.
"Have you stopped beating your wife" is also a question. It contains an accusation. This is basic language, Sunshine. It's what I presume is your native tongue. If it were not already assumed that these accusations are true, the question would have been missing the word "why"? I shouldn't have to explain this to you.
No it isn’t. It’s a question. Do you see a question mark?
good grief. You should quite while your (I will give your ego
something to do) behind.
Your behind? My ass...
Why didn’t you provide the entire context? It doesn’t imply anything about bio warfare reasearch in Ukraine’s lab He is correct, should we be a part of paying for research in any unsecured lab?
Two very good questions.
OMG, call the thought police. He must be a Russian propagandist too. Haha….too funny.
You really don't understand how your language works, do you?
Just a question.
You have got to be kidding moose..of cause we wouldn't trust anything that came out of Russia especially vaccines...no more than we would if it came out of North Korea, China or Iran...
Even the vaccines from the States were not approved for use here until we had done our own tests...
We don't believe everything we hear and see when it comes to our country and our own well being..
We do our own thing and make up our own minds.. and that must be a shock to some countries..
How one can hear Victoria Nuland's own words and still dismiss this story escapes logic. Good luck with that!
Just wondering...
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It is apparent to me that the US education system has failed spectacularly in the area of science, at least as regards some right-wingers. They don't seem to be aware that labs producing vaccines must have access to the pathogens against which those vaccines are intended to protect. They forgot what I know most of us were taught in middle school about cowpox/smallpox, and how that led to modern vaccine programs, and all that jazz. It's appalling, TBH
And if they haven't forgotten, it's still appalling that they will pretend to have forgotten in order to spread deliberate misinformation.
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That would imply they are useful.
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I think she is very qualified to say that
Thanks, charger!
Oh well that does it, who can argue with that......
But that's all they have - misinformation on top of projection, deflection, and denial
Since these so-called bioweapon labs have been in existence for some years now it would seem that a number of US presidents and administrations have been involved in this project.
Or more than likely this is total bullshit.
We appreciate your opinion. Many Americans believe biolabs, bioweapon labs, gain of function research to be unethical. We simply want the truth, after all we pay for it.
We all do, or should. False equivalence and innuendo are not the truth, though.
If many Americans believe that biolabs are unethical then all of the current biolabs in the US many at major universities should be shut down immediately. I hope that they are aware of what biolabs actually do to benefit mankind.
The Biolabs at Harvard and Stanford should be the first to be shut down.
in ghosts, demons, aliens, big foot and treasure on Oak Island. Many Americans are willfully ignorant because they refuse to educate themselves.
The truth is presented all the time and dismissed because it doesn't conform to populist opinion. That "we" you speak of should stop getting talking points from the outrage machines that make money selling them shit sandwiches.
Exactly, I agree.
Then why do you keep peddling them?
You realize you just described every media source in the country yeah?
Public disclosure has become a devastating weapon in the info age. Nuland had to disclose this information before the Russians could.
Samples of anthrax, botulism, and tularemia (such as Lyme disease) can't be explained away as preparing for an outbreak or pandemic. Even the presence of pestis (the plague) would be a stretch. And the strains used for research can be traced to their source. The Russians obtaining tangible evidence from Ukrainian biolabs would allow identifying where the samples came from. There's little doubt that the evidence would point directly at specific biolabs in the United States. And some of those sources may well be military biolabs in the US.
And as the world has learned over the past 100 years, Russian authorities are the epitome of truthness. I recall some 50+ years ago an apologist claiming that Mao could not reveal the truth due to a shortage of paper imposed on China by the West.
Yes, Kim Jong ill made eleven holes in one the first time he ever played golf but he never shits because of having no butthole to poop from...
Moral defectives see lies as different opinions!
As if their lies are equal value with proven truth.
The Way back machine remembers everything!
All that really proves is that Ukraine was in danger of Russian biological attack for a long long time...