Defiant U.S. Senator Rand Paul stymies effort to pass $40 billion Ukraine aid bill

  

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Via:  hallux  •  2 weeks ago  •  40 comments

By:   David Morgan - Reuters

Defiant U.S. Senator Rand Paul stymies effort to pass $40 billion Ukraine aid bill

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WASHINGTON, May 12 (Reuters) - The top Democrat and Republican in the U.S. Senate joined forces in a rare moment of unity on Thursday in an attempt to pass $40 billion in aid for Ukraine, only to be stymied by a single Republican lawmaker: Senator Rand Paul. Faced with the prospect of an extended delay for the package that passed the House of Representatives on Tuesday, Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer and his Republican counterpart, Mitch McConnell, sought to move forward on the aid package only to be blocked by Paul, a longtime fiscal hawk who objects to the amount of spending proposed. The stalemate delayed passage of the measure into next week. The Senate has scheduled an initial procedural vote on the bill for late Monday afternoon. It was unclear whether that vote would then speed passage of the Ukraine aid. Alternatively, passage could come around the middle of next week if any senator wants to force a series of legislative steps before a final vote. As the Ukraine aid bill became caught in the Senate's procedural gears, Schumer pleaded for fast action: "The package is ready to go, the vast majority of senators on both sides of the aisle want it." But Paul was not moved. The delay into next week could cause problems for Western nations


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Hallux
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1  seeder  Hallux    2 weeks ago

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Drinker of the Wry
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1.1  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Hallux @1    2 weeks ago

Google couldn't find it.

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.2  devangelical  replied to  Hallux @1    2 weeks ago

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bbl-1
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2  bbl-1    2 weeks ago

Putin appreciates the support, Rand.

 
 
 
JBB
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3  JBB    2 weeks ago

Rand Paul 20Never...

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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3.1  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JBB @3    2 weeks ago
Rand Paul 20Never...

Exactly, not only is this next $40 Billion desperately needed, it's outrageous to ask for an inspector general to provide oversight on how the money is spent. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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3.1.1  Greg Jones  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @3.1    2 weeks ago

They need to pass the bill to find out how much pork Pelosi snuck in there

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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3.1.2  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Greg Jones @3.1.1    one week ago

That point was covered a bit yesterday in another seed. All the immigration law sidestepping. 

 
 
 
magicschoolbusdropout
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4  magicschoolbusdropout    one week ago

Rand Paul stalls $40 billion in Ukraine aid by denying unanimous consent in the Senate - CBS News

The measure includes $6 billion for Ukraine for intelligence, equipment and training for its forces, plus $4 billion in financing to help Kyiv and NATO allies build up their militaries.

There's $8.7 billion for the Pentagon to rebuild stocks of weapons it has shipped to Ukraine and $3.9 billion for U.S. troops in the region.

The measure also includes $8.8 billion to keep the Kyiv government functioning, more than $5 billion to provide food to countries around the world that rely on Ukrainian crops devastated by the fighting and $900 million to teach English and provide other services to Ukrainian refugees who have moved to the United States.

"No matter how sympathetic the cause, my oath of office is to the national security of the United States of America," Paul said.  "We cannot save Ukraine by dooming the U.S. economy."

Rands words make sense !

Since we do have an "Issue" right here at home right now that is.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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4.1  Tessylo  replied to  magicschoolbusdropout @4    one week ago
"Rands words make sense !"

They make sense to people who value dollars over human lives.  
Which makes no sense.  It's hateful and evil.  It's deplorable.  

Shameful

 
 
 
magicschoolbusdropout
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4.1.1  magicschoolbusdropout  replied to  Tessylo @4.1    one week ago
They make sense to people who value dollars over human lives.  

U.S. Citizens lives MATTER TOO (USCLM) !

Shameful ...... if you don't think so.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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4.1.2  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  magicschoolbusdropout @4.1.1    one week ago

Paul knows exactly what's in it and he also knows that other "neighbors" are stepping up and helping out. He realizes that the US CANNOT be the only savior to Ukraine. As a former PotUS put it, America first and the rest of the world needs to step up and do their fair share..............isn't that the liberal mantra? Paying "your fair share" even though they can NEVER define what a fair share is................They just don't get Paul's point.........and a damned good point it is. We have to stop the Democrat way of solving problems by just throwing money at them.

 
 
 
magicschoolbusdropout
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4.1.3  magicschoolbusdropout  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @4.1.2    one week ago
isn't that the liberal mantra? Paying "your fair share" even though they can NEVER define what a fair share is

Yep !  All Just "Talking Points" from the "Left" when they want to get "Elected". LOL !

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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4.1.4  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  magicschoolbusdropout @4.1.1    one week ago
U.S. Citizens lives MATTER TOO (USCLM) !

Makes me wonder where the $40B aid package for the US is.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
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4.1.5  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @4.1.2    one week ago
"As a former PotUS put it, America first"

Just like a white nationalist would say - which is what #45 is.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
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4.1.6  Tessylo  replied to  magicschoolbusdropout @4.1.1    one week ago

"U.S. Citizens lives MATTER TOO (USCLM) !

Shameful ...... if you don't think so."

I never said they didn't.  It's shameful of you to say that.  

Scumbag Paul knows this has nothing to do with US Citizens.

All that aid can be given to Ukraine and it WILL NOT AFFECT YOU IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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4.1.7  Tessylo  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.1.4    one week ago
"Makes me wonder where the $40B aid package for the US is." 

Ask the republicans/gqp/Manchin and that bitch Sinema where it is

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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4.1.8  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Tessylo @4.1.7    one week ago

You can't be referring to that "Build Back Better" train wreck they stopped?  jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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4.1.9  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @4.1.6    one week ago
WILL NOT AFFECT YOU IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM

Are you fucking shitting? Where the hell do you think that $40Billion is coming from? The money tree outside the Capital Rotunda?

 
 
 
magicschoolbusdropout
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4.1.10  magicschoolbusdropout  replied to  Tessylo @4.1.6    one week ago
All that aid can be given to Ukraine and it WILL NOT AFFECT YOU IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM.

Sending BILLIONS and BILLIONS of U.S. Tax Dollars overseas is good for U.S. Citizens now ........ HOW ?

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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4.1.11  Sean Treacy  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @4.1.9    one week ago
Where the hell do you think that $40Billion is coming from? The money tree outside the Capital Rotunda?

That's a great explanation of  progressive economics. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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4.1.12  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Tessylo @4.1.6    one week ago
All that aid can be given to Ukraine and it WILL NOT AFFECT YOU IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM.

jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif   Yeah, keep thinking that.  Where do you think they are going to get that money?  Pull it out of their 4th point of contact?  

 
 
 
SteevieGee
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4.1.13  SteevieGee  replied to  magicschoolbusdropout @4.1.10    one week ago
Sending BILLIONS and BILLIONS of U.S. Tax Dollars overseas is good for U.S. Citizens now ........ HOW ?

Do you really think that they're just sending them a bunch of cash?  They're sending weapons and ammo from our stockpiles.  The money is spent here to replenish the stockpiles.  It also creates good jobs here in the good ol USA.

 
 
 
magicschoolbusdropout
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4.1.14  magicschoolbusdropout  replied to  SteevieGee @4.1.13    one week ago
Do you really think that they're just sending them a bunch of cash? 

Yep !

See comment #4.

$6 billion for Ukraine for intelligence

$4 billion in financing to help Kyiv and NATO allies build up their militaries.

$8.8 billion to keep the Kyiv government functioning

$5 billion to provide food to countries around the world that rely on Ukrainian crops

$900 million to teach English and provide other services to Ukrainian refugees who have moved to the United States.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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4.2  Thrawn 31  replied to  magicschoolbusdropout @4    one week ago

Now he light be believable if he didn’t only pipe up on issues where his vote/antics don’t matter. 

 
 
 
magicschoolbusdropout
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4.2.1  magicschoolbusdropout  replied to  Thrawn 31 @4.2    one week ago
Now he light be believable if he didn’t only pipe up on issues where his vote/antics don’t matter.

Like the things Chuck Schumer is saying/Doing before his November 2022 re-election bid ?

 
 
 
evilgenius
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4.3  evilgenius  replied to  magicschoolbusdropout @4    one week ago
Rands words make sense !

Until we have US soldiers dying in Eastern Europe because Russia wasn't defeated in Ukraine.

 
 
 
magicschoolbusdropout
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4.3.1  magicschoolbusdropout  replied to  evilgenius @4.3    one week ago
Until we have US soldiers dying in Eastern Europe because Russia wasn't defeated in Ukraine.

You're afraid Brandon, or his "Handlers",  would actually get us into a uuuuuuge War ?

 
 
 
evilgenius
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4.3.2  evilgenius  replied to  magicschoolbusdropout @4.3.1    one week ago
You're afraid Brandon, or his "Handlers",  would actually get us into a uuuuuuge War ?

First, I'm surprised Putin attacked whole hog in the first place. Second, I'm equally surprised NATO hasn't been drug into a shooting war already as far out as it is. We currently have batteries US troops in those smaller Eastern European NATO countries that have formally invoked Article 4. We are obligated by treaty to defend them. Left unchecked do you think Russia would settle for Ukraine when Putin has stated he wants a return to pre-90's USSR?

 
 
 
charger 383
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4.3.3  charger 383  replied to  evilgenius @4.3    one week ago

That is the best reason to support and supply Ukraine 

 
 
 
magicschoolbusdropout
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4.3.4  magicschoolbusdropout  replied to  evilgenius @4.3.2    one week ago
Left unchecked do you think Russia would settle for Ukraine when Putin has stated he wants a return to pre-90's USSR?

Based on "Reporting" from all over the media spectrum, it would seem "Putin and his Army" are already "IN" Check "IN" Ukraine. Even Losing !

 
 
 
evilgenius
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4.3.5  evilgenius  replied to  magicschoolbusdropout @4.3.4    one week ago

I have no clue what your point here is nor what it has to do with my post.

 
 
 
magicschoolbusdropout
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4.3.6  magicschoolbusdropout  replied to  evilgenius @4.3.5    one week ago
I have no clue what your point here is nor what it has to do with my post.

I know.

What do your posts have to do with mine ?

 
 
 
Tessylo
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5  Tessylo    one week ago

How hateful to deny aid to Ukraine.  SCUMBAG RAND PAUL!

We'll remember you hateful scumbag!

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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5.1  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Tessylo @5    one week ago
We'll remember you hateful scumbag!

Have you considered moving to KT so you can vote against him this Fall?

 
 
 
Tessylo
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5.1.1  Tessylo  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @5.1    one week ago
So you value dollars over Ukranian lives also?

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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5.1.2  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Tessylo @5.1.1    one week ago
So you value dollars over Ukranian lives also?

No, and I'm not a big Rand Paul fan.  

BTW, it's spelled Ukrainian, I only point this out since spelling is a pet peeve of yours.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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6  Thrawn 31    one week ago

And once again here come Rams Paul, making some idiotic “stand” on an issue that has substantial support from all sides. Once again rand trying to get attention when there are no real consequences to him doing so.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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6.1  Tessylo  replied to  Thrawn 31 @6    one week ago

It's the typical red meat thrown to his supporters.  

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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7  Nerm_L    one week ago

There's very little direct military aid for Ukraine included in this package.  The bulk of the funds will cover commitments Biden has already made, fund our own military, and cover the Ukrainian government's debt payments.  And this package does not include money to cover the deals made with Poland, Romania, and Czechoslovakia to swap US military equipment  for Soviet equipment and munitions delivered to Ukraine.  

Biden has put the US on the hook for a lot more than the $13 billion package and this $40 billion package will cover.  Biden has also made commitments to NATO and the EU to sustain the sanctions on Russia.  Biden is wanting to pay for all of this with deficit spending and, right now, deficit spending is not cheap.  Ukraine is becoming a very expensive little proxy war.

 
 

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