Year three of the Biden border crisis will be the worst yet

  

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Via:  gregtx  •  one month ago  •  93 comments

Year three of the Biden border crisis will be the worst yet
In 2017 just 300,000 migrants were arrested crossing the southern border. After three years of Biden that number will have risen to 5 million.

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Sometime next year, the Department of Homeland Security will finally be forced to stop using Title 42 to stop some immigrants from illegally entering the United States. When it happens, it will ensure that year three of the Biden presidency will be the worst year ever for illegal immigration .

As recently as 2017, just 300,000 immigrants were arrested for illegally crossing the southern border. But after Mexican President Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador was elected on a platform of guaranteeing immigrants from around the world safe passage to the U.S. border, that number jumped to nearly 900,000. Thanks to former President Donald Trump's subsequent "Remain in Mexico" program, which forced asylum-seekers to wait outside the U.S. while their claims were pending, arrests for illegal entry then fell to just over 300,000 the following year.

In short, incentives mattered. Millions of potential asylum claimants had no interest in crossing the border and making their false claims unless it meant they would be let loose inside the U.S.

But President Joe Biden repealed Trump's highly successful Remain in Mexico program on day one of his presidency. He also added huge new loopholes to Title 42 enforcement and ended deportations for all but the most violent criminal illegal immigrants.

The resulting border numbers speak for themselves. In Biden's first full year in office, a then-record-high 2.1 million illegal immigrants were arrested crossing the southern border, most of them then released into the U.S. This year, if present trends continue through the end of January, a new record-high 2.6 million illegal immigrants will have been arrested crossing the southern border in Biden's second year. Most of them have been released into the U.S.

Biden's own DHS estimates that when Title 42 border enforcement is fully ended, arrests for illegal entry will double from around 5,000 per day to roughly 10,000 per day. That would mean about 5 million illegal immigrants will be arrested for crossing the southern border in 2023. Again, for reference, there were only 300,000 such arrests in Trump's first and last years in office.

And with Title 42 completely abandoned, that means almost all of those 5 million immigrants arrested will be released into the U.S. to go wherever they want and do whatever they want until their asylum claims are finally adjudicated (mostly rejected) years from now. Even then, if Biden or some other Democrat is president, no effort will be made at all to deport them, even if they lose their asylum claims — as the vast majority of them will.

For his part, Biden seems completely uninterested in the record amount of death and destruction he is causing. Asked why he had no plans to visit the border on a recent trip to Arizona, Biden answered, "There are more important things going on."

Vice President Kamala Harris is equally uninterested in the crisis. Asked this week what Harris had accomplished in her assigned task of reducing the "root causes" of immigration in Central American countries, press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre replied, "I don't have anything to lay out specifically on what that work looks like." No kidding.

Temperatures are dipping below freezing each night in El Paso, Texas, as tens of thousands of immigrants camp across the border in Mexico before entering the U.S. Many are suffering from frostbite, and some are even dying in the cold. Unless Biden reverses course, the humanitarian disaster he is causing will only get worse.


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GregTx
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1  seeder  GregTx    one month ago
In Biden's first full year in office, a then-record-high 2.1 million illegal immigrants were arrested crossing the southern border, most of them then released into the U.S. This year, if present trends continue through the end of January, a new record-high 2.6 million illegal immigrants will have been arrested crossing the southern border in Biden's second year. Most of them have been released into the U.S.
 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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2  Thrawn 31    one month ago

You mean like year 50 of the border situation that has been and will continue to be punted on by elected officials because it is a good campaign tool and kinda a hard nut to crack.

”Biden border crisis”, grow the fuck up.

 
 
 
Ender
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2.1  Ender  replied to  Thrawn 31 @2    one month ago

Can only laugh at people that think Biden waves his arm and all the sudden people decide to leave their homelands and come here...

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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2.2  Greg Jones  replied to  Thrawn 31 @2    one month ago

Are you saying that Biden hasn't made it much worse?

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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2.2.1  Thrawn 31  replied to  Greg Jones @2.2    one month ago
Are you saying that Biden hasn't made it much worse?

What specifically has Biden done to make it worse?

And no, I am saying it has been a problem for decades, and no one has wanted, or had the balls to really do anything about it.

I am saying that it is useful for election politics, and as a cudgel against the party in power, but outside of that no one actually cares about it.

I am saying that those who bring it up all the time are the ones who care the least about it because they offer the fewest solutions. 

I am saying that you are a partisan hack and do not actually care about the issues at the border, you just like to use it as a political jab Greg. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.2.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Thrawn 31 @2.2.1    one month ago
What specifically has Biden done to make it worse?
  1. Stopped construction of the border wall via EO on DAY ONE of his term.  Only to be told by Federal Judges to re-start construction (which still hasn't happened).
  2. Attempting to get Arizona to remove shipping containers they put in place to slow illegals from crossing the border.
  3. Stopped enforcing immigration law.
  4. Assigned an incompetent ass to oversee border security.
  5. Nominated   Chris   Magnus   to   head   U.S. C ustoms   and   Border   Protection   (CBP),   even   though he opposes   deterrence-focused immigration policies
  6. Opened   the   door   for   individuals   who   threate n   America’s   national   security   by   revoking President Trump’s travel restrictions.
  7. Term inated   the   “National   Emergency”   at   the   southern   border,
  8. Not  fully   utilizing   Title   42   at   the   border.
  9. Released   thousands   of   recently   apprehended   illegal   border   crossers   f rom   custody   without even issuing them a Notice to Appear in Immigration Court
  10. Halted  deportations
  11. Allowing   criminal   aliens   to   be   released   into   American   communities
  12. Allowing   federal   funding   to   be   sent   to   sanctuary   cities
  13. Scrapped  fines   for   illegal   immigrants   who   fail   to   leave   the   U.S.
  14. Releasing  COVID-positi ve   aliens   into   Texas
  15. Ceased   conducting   FBI   fingerprint   checks   of   other   adult   household   members   of   sponsors for UACs

Many of these were within Biden's first 100 days.  

 
 
 
GregTx
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2.3  seeder  GregTx  replied to  Thrawn 31 @2    one month ago

No I mean like the upcoming year 3 of a border crisis that has seen record high numbers of illegal crossings each year because of the Biden administration's policies and lack of enforcement.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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2.3.1  Thrawn 31  replied to  GregTx @2.3    one month ago
because of the Biden administration's policies and lack of enforcement.

Enforcement hasn't changed in any meaningful way, and what policies? 

And year 3? Where the fuck have you been for you entire life? I am pretty sure you are not 3 years old, this has been an ongoing thing for decades. Stop looking stupid. 

 
 
 
GregTx
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2.3.2  seeder  GregTx  replied to  Thrawn 31 @2.3.1    one month ago
this has been an ongoing thing for decades

Could you show where in those decades there have been as many illegal crossings as there have been during Bidens first two years? Thanks..

Enforcement hasn't changed in any meaningful way,..

Really? So they've always just processed and released? Never deported? Huh.

and what policies?

Ended the remain in Mexico program, ending Title 42, etc. Do some research. Stop sounding dumb.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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2.3.3  Thrawn 31  replied to  GregTx @2.3.2    one month ago
Could you show where in those decades there have been as many illegal crossings as there have been during Bidens first two years? Thanks..

It has spiked, but there have been no policy changes. 

Really? So they've always just processed and released? Never deported? Huh.

Some are processed, some are let go, some are sent back. Same as it has always been, but you know that.

Ended the remain in Mexico program, ending Title 42, etc. Do some research. Stop sounding dumb.

Title 42 has been continued, [Deleted]

 
 
 
Sparty On
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2.3.4  Sparty On  replied to  GregTx @2.3.2    one month ago

Don’t even try Greg.    It’s a fools errand.    

Some of these Bidenettes have their heads so far up their asses they haven’t seen the light of day for years.    Some of them for decades

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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2.3.5  Thrawn 31  replied to  Sparty On @2.3.4    one month ago

Oh an here we go, let's get Sparty's brilliant ideas on border security that don't involve blaming a democrat. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
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2.3.6  Sparty On  replied to  Thrawn 31 @2.3.5    one month ago

Your view on this topic is so far out in left field it’s in the bleachers.    The cheap seats.    Suffice it to say the Biden admin tore down nearly every effective border security measure enacted during the Trump admin and some by earlier admins.

Saying that the Biden admin actions, or lack thereof, didn’t make the border crisis worse is one of the more ignorant comments I’ve read on here.    And that is saying something.

 
 
 
GregTx
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2.3.7  seeder  GregTx  replied to  Sparty On @2.3.4    one month ago

Same as it ever was...

 
 
 
Sparty On
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2.3.8  Sparty On  replied to  GregTx @2.3.7    one month ago

There is a point buried deep in his logic as the border issue has been kicked down the road by many presidents and congresses but the supposition that Biden hasn’t made it worse is absolutely ridiculous!

Ridiculous!

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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2.3.9  Thrawn 31  replied to  Sparty On @2.3.6    one month ago

Yawn, and the solutions are what again? 

I guess I must have missed that part when I said solutions, not blaming Biden, and you just blamed Biden. I am sure your genius ideas were in there somewhere...

And my point wasn't deep, it was right on the surface. 

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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2.3.10  Thrawn 31  replied to  Sparty On @2.3.8    one month ago

A situation getting worse and someone actively making it worse are not the same thing. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
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2.3.11  Sparty On  replied to  Thrawn 31 @2.3.9    one month ago

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Hint, Border security measures enacted prior to Biden were working.    Biden admin shut them down and the illegal immigration problem immediately got worse.

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Thrawn 31
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2.3.12  Thrawn 31  replied to  Sparty On @2.3.11    one month ago

I know, you just keep spewing platitudes and no specifics so I cannot possibly take you seriously. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
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2.3.13  Sparty On  replied to  Thrawn 31 @2.3.12    one month ago

Lol ... this is reminiscent of some of those know it all dumbass comments in the squad bay.    

[Deleted   Happy Holidays DevilDog

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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2.3.14  Thrawn 31  replied to  Sparty On @2.3.13    one month ago

And true to form. [Deleted]

Happy Holidays.

BTW, I won all my Pugel Stick matches. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
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2.3.15  Sparty On  replied to  Thrawn 31 @2.3.14    one month ago

Sure you did [Deleted ...... Semper Fi]

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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2.3.16  Thrawn 31  replied to  Sparty On @2.3.15    one month ago

Easy there devil dog...

Professional respect. Semper Fi.

But for real pugel stick were fun as hell. One of the highlights from boot. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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2.3.17  Sean Treacy  replied to  Thrawn 31 @2.3.3    one month ago

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Thrawn 31
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2.3.18  Thrawn 31  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.3.17    one month ago

Fuck off, this conversation is no longer for you. 

 
 
 
GregTx
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2.3.19  seeder  GregTx  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.3.17    one month ago

Exactly. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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2.3.20  Sean Treacy  replied to  GregTx @2.3.19    one month ago

And the Safe Third Country Agreements that Trump negotiated with other countries and Biden immediately tore up. 

Biden fights enforcement of the border every step of the way.  

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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2.3.21  Thrawn 31  replied to  Sparty On @2.3.13    one month ago

You gotta admit, you enjoyed the pugel sticks, was that not seriously fun?

 
 
 
arkpdx
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2.3.22  arkpdx  replied to  Thrawn 31 @2.3.3    one month ago

Title 42 has been continued by the courts not by Biden. If he had his way it would have ended long ago. The same for the remain in Mexico policy. 

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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2.3.23  Thrawn 31  replied to  arkpdx @2.3.22    one month ago

And the situation remains unsolved. Awesome. 

 
 
 
arkpdx
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2.3.24  arkpdx  replied to  Thrawn 31 @2.3.9    one month ago
not blaming Biden 

Actually you said :

Oh an here we go, let's get Sparty's brilliant ideas on border security that don't involve blaming a democrat. 

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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2.3.25  Thrawn 31  replied to  arkpdx @2.3.24    one month ago

A little late to the party?

 
 
 
arkpdx
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2.3.26  arkpdx  replied to  Thrawn 31 @2.3.25    one month ago

Better late than never. 

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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2.3.27  Thrawn 31  replied to  arkpdx @2.3.26    one month ago

Not exactly.

Depends on the party.

 
 
 
GregTx
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2.3.28  seeder  GregTx  replied to  Thrawn 31 @2.3.23    one month ago

A situation remaining unsolved and someone actively unsolving it are not the same thing...

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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2.3.29  Thrawn 31  replied to  GregTx @2.3.28    one month ago

So go to congress. Blaming a president is a retard's errand. 

 
 
 
GregTx
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2.3.30  seeder  GregTx  replied to  Thrawn 31 @2.3.29    one month ago

Your insight is... special. Thank you for your posts.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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2.3.31  Thrawn 31  replied to  GregTx @2.3.30    one month ago

You are so welcome, happy to provide my insight to someone in such dire need. 

 
 
 
GregTx
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2.3.32  seeder  GregTx  replied to  Thrawn 31 @2.3.31    one month ago

Bless your heart...

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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2.3.33  Thrawn 31  replied to  GregTx @2.3.32    one month ago

No need child.

 
 
 
GregTx
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2.3.34  seeder  GregTx  replied to  Thrawn 31 @2.3.33    one month ago

No doubt, that would be a retards errand.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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2.3.35  Thrawn 31  replied to  GregTx @2.3.34    one month ago

Poor babe, do we have his medication?

 
 
 
Ronin2
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2.3.36  Ronin2  replied to  Thrawn 31 @2.3.3    one month ago
It has spiked, but there have been no policy changes.  Some are processed, some are let go, some are sent back. Same as it has always been, but you know that.

Bullshit. Most are processed and let go; very few ever get sent back under Brandon.

Immigration enforcement, as measured by the number of aliens removed from the country, has collapsed to the lowest level since the mid-1990s, according to ICE deportation records the Center has obtained. Under policies imposed by the Biden administration, removals dropped by 80 percent since last year’s low point during the pandemic lockdown, and by 90 percent since 2019, the last normal year for ICE operations. The number of aliens removed who had serious criminal convictions also has declined by over 50 percent from 2020 and by 65 percent since 2019.

The Center recently obtained records from ICE ( 2019 , 2020 , 2021 ) with details on all aliens removed from the beginning of FY 2019 through July 10, 2021. 1 The records include information on each alien removed by ICE, including date of removal, criminal convictions, and the ICE field office that handled the removal. Unlike past instances when we obtained these very same records, ICE has so far refused to provide information on whether the removed alien was arrested at the border or in the interior. Therefore, these statistics should be interpreted with caution because it is not clear to what extent they may reflect the level of enforcement at the border as well as in the interior. Nevertheless, it is possible to see in these records just how dramatically the new Biden policies have reduced ICE enforcement activity.

Under Biden Policies, ICE Removals Have Plummeted to a Fraction of Normal Levels. On his first day of office (January 20, 2021), President Biden issued a directive halting virtually all deportations for 100 days and greatly restricting immigration enforcement activity. 2 Following a lawsuit by Texas asserting grave fiscal and public safety harm to its citizens from a near-suspension of federal immigration enforcement, within two weeks federal judge Drew Tipton halted the deportation freeze and later enjoined it indefinitely pending further legal action. The restrictions on other enforcement actions have remained in place with some minor modifications, meaning that, in effect, ICE has been limited to removing known or suspected terrorists, aliens convicted of very serious crimes (mostly those defined as “aggravated felons”), and recent illegal arrivals.

As a result of these policies, the number of removals conducted by ICE has dropped dramatically from prior years. The number of removals dropped sharply after Biden’s order, as illustrated in Figure 1, which shows the number of removals each month from October 2018 through June 2021 (the last complete month of data we have). This figure shows that the level of enforcement, as measured by removals, is quite significantly lower than in 2019, and also much lower than the period after February 2020, when ICE had to curtail arrests, detentions, and deportations due to pandemic restrictions.

This pace of activity means that ICE was on pace to remove approximately 62,000 aliens for the entire 2021 fiscal year, down from about 186,000 in 2020, which was already a year of greatly reduced activity due to the pandemic. 3 The total number of removals in 2019, a more normal year, was just over 267,000 (see Figure 2).

The records we obtained from ICE include only about the first five months of the Biden administration, but it is possible to compare data from the exact same days in 2019, 2020, and 2021. During Biden’s first five months (January 21 to July 9, 2021) ICE removed 18,713 aliens. 4 Over the same time period in 2020 (during the height of the pandemic lockdowns) ICE removed 93,247 aliens. Over the same time period in 2019, which was a more normal period of enforcement, ICE removed 186,019 aliens, or nearly 10 times more removals.

Some U.S. border patrol agents are so frustrated with President Joe Biden’s more liberal border policies that they are considering early retirement, while other disgruntled colleagues are buying unofficial coins that say ‘U.S. Welcome Patrol.’ Interviews with a dozen current and former agents highlight growing dissatisfaction among some rank and file members of the agency over Biden's swift reversal of some of former President Donald Trump's hardline immigration policies. Since Biden took office, border apprehensions have risen sharply.

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In May 2022, the Biden administration announced it would end Title 42. Republican-led states sued, and a court ruling has kept the policy in place without an expiration date.

The Biden administration was successful in ending another Trump-era policy known as Migrant Protection Protocols (MPP), which required asylum-seekers to wait in Mexico for an immigration court to hear their case.

Because of a federal court order, migrants are no longer being enrolled in MPP. Those already enrolled in MPP and waiting in Mexico will be allowed to enter the U.S. for their next court date and not have to return to Mexico.

On May 31, 2022, the administration began implementing a change in how it handles some asylum claims . The new guidance is aimed at streamlining the asylum process and sending fewer cases to backlogged U.S. immigration courts. U.S. asylum officers would adjudicate the asylum claims of the migrants placed into expedited removal proceedings after May 31.

President Joe Biden is canceling further construction of the wall along the U.S. and Mexico border, the Department of Defense announced Friday.

“DoD has begun taking all necessary actions to cancel border barrier projects and to coordinate with interagency partners,” Pentagon spokesperson Jamal Brown said in a statement. “Today’s action reflects this Administration’s continued commitment to defending our nation and supporting our service members and their families.”

In one of his first acts in office, Biden halted progress on the border wall — a signature policy of former President Donald Trump —by freezing money for border wall construction projects and terminating Trump’s national emergency declaration along the border.

Friday’s action is another step toward ensuring those projects do not move forward and will free up that money to go to other construction projects within the military’s purview, according to Brown.

The Biden administration’s decision comes as it continues to grapple with an influx of migrants at the border, which Republicans have hammered Biden over, arguing his policies are contributing to the rising numbers.

Of course Brandon does care about the border when it might cost him a Democrat Congressional seat.

But heaven forbid if a Republican governor does the job that Brandon the Human fuck up machine is failing so miserably at.

Arizona will remove a line of shipping containers placed along the U.S.-Mexico border a week after the U.S. government filed a lawsuit alleging that the makeshift wall designed to deter migrants was illegally erected on federal lands. Arizona will remove the containers and the equipment, materials and vehicles used to install them by early January, according to an agreement between state and federal authorities reached late on Wednesday and filed in the U.S. District Court for the District Of Arizona.

Yes, the border has always been a problem; along with illegal immigration. But it has never been this big of a problem. It is all thanks to Brandon the Human Fuck Up Machine's policies.

Next you will be trying to claim Schumer isn't pressing for a general amnesty for every last illegal currently in the country.

On November 16, Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) held a press conference in front of the Capitol in which he called for amnesty for “DREAMers”, aliens brought illegally to the United States as children. As he did so, however, he pulled back the curtain on his end game – to “get a path to citizenship for all 11 million, or however many undocumented, there are here”. The DREAMers are the bait, while a full and total amnesty is the hook.

Tell us all when Democrats are going to secure the southern border like they promised Reagan in return for the last general amnesty?

These days, Republicans are also calling for existing laws to be toughened up, which Reagan would have agreed with, Robinson says. In fact, Robinson says, he would have been so upset at the federal government's failure to make good on the 1986 reform that he would have demanded for that law to be fixed first before instituting a new overhaul.

"He, too, would have been right there in saying, 'Fix the borders first.' " Where he would have differed, Robinson says, is his welcoming attitude toward immigrants.

"He was a Californian," Robinson says. "You couldn't live in California ... without encountering over and over and over again good, hard-working, decent people -- clearly recent arrivals from Mexico."

That the U.S. failed to regain control of the border -- making the 1986 law's amnesty provision an incentive for others to come to America illegally -- would have infuriated Reagan, Robinson says.

"But I think he would have felt taking those 3 million people and making them Americans was a success."

Never trust a Democrat; or their disciples. They are perpetually full of shit.

 
 
 
arkpdx
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2.3.37  arkpdx  replied to  Thrawn 31 @2.3.29    one month ago

Then there were, and still are, many retards around between 2016 and now. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
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2.3.38  Sparty On  replied to  Thrawn 31 @2.3.21    one month ago

How could legal “beating the shit out of each other” not be fun?    One of the reasons I liked playing football so much.

 
 
 
dennissmith
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2.3.39  dennissmith  replied to  Thrawn 31 @2.3.29    one month ago

Blaming a president was the retards errand for 4 years when Trump was POTUS. 

 
 
 
SteevieGee
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Remember, not long ago, when we spent millions creating the e-verify system?  You know the system for employers to instantly verify the work eligibility of anybody prior to employment?  We went to a lot of trouble and expense to set up this system only to have it be made optional, not mandatory because big ag, along with many other industries, pushed back fearing a loss of cheap, illegal labor.

Many states require employers to use it, many others don't, some even prohibit it's use, but none have any serious penalties to employers for hiring undocumented people.

As long as there are jobs waiting for them they will keep coming regardless of who is in the White house.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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3.1  Thrawn 31  replied to  SteevieGee @3    one month ago
As long as there are jobs waiting for them they will keep coming regardless of who is in the White house.

There it is. US AG, really raw materials generally, rely heavily on immigrant labor because Americans don't want to do it. it has been shown time and time again. So they turn to illegal labor, and illegals know that the $4 an hour they get here beats anything they would see back home, so its not a bad deal. That is what is driving this, we need cheap labor, and illegals are the only one willing to do it, but they happen to be a great punching bag in election years for racists. 

 
 
 
arkpdx
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3.1.1  arkpdx  replied to  Thrawn 31 @3.1    one month ago

Agriculture needs about 800,000 workers a year not anywhere near  over 5,000,000 estimated to enter illegally. 

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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3.1.2  Thrawn 31  replied to  arkpdx @3.1.1    one month ago

so we have 5,000,000 filling rolls that are not ag jobs? Fuck, we need more immigrants!

 
 
 
arkpdx
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3.1.3  arkpdx  replied to  Thrawn 31 @3.1.2    one month ago

Immigrants are just fine as long as they immigrate here according to our laws. Just sneaking crossing the border where and when you want is not the way. 

Since you don't seem to mind them being here, maybe we should start busing some of them to your house and you can put them up and support them. 

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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3.1.4  Thrawn 31  replied to  arkpdx @3.1.3    one month ago
mmigrants are just fine as long as they immigrate here according to our laws.

And there we find the crux of the problem. Our Laws haven't changed for 50 years, but our labor needs have. The labor demand far exceeds the number of migrant that can be legally brought in, hence illegal labor. Hence the jobs, hence the opportunity that attracts illegals. 

The US requires far more manual labor than Americans are willing to provide, that gap has gotta be made up somehow. It is either through low paid, illegal workers, or rightly paid legal workers (still from other countries). Take your pick.

 
 
 
Ender
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3.2  Ender  replied to  SteevieGee @3    one month ago

I think a big part of people coming here is their lot in life is in a bad place. Coming from places where people live in fear from run away gangs and drug cartels. No opportunities for them. No way to improve their situation.

To your point though, in my state they keep raiding the poultry plants. Apparently that is a job a lot of them will take.

 
 
 
arkpdx
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3.2.1  arkpdx  replied to  Ender @3.2    one month ago
a big part of people coming here is their lot in life is in a bad place 

Tough tits. It really sucks to be them doesn't it. 

Before you ask, no I don't really give a rip about there lot in life. 

 
 
 
Ender
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3.2.2  Ender  replied to  arkpdx @3.2.1    one month ago

Then one is not serious about stopping people from coming here.

 
 
 
arkpdx
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3.2.3  arkpdx  replied to  Ender @3.2.2    one month ago

It is not this country's job to clean up and stop the gangs or stop the cartels or end the government corruption. It is the place of the people from those shit hole places to take care of things. As far as I am concerned there is no more of this catch and release bullcrap. There has already been too much evidence that most will never show for their hearings. If left up to me we would do one of three things when they are caught. Send them immediately back to their country of origin. Return them to Mexico to await their hearings. Or incarcerate them in this country Joe Arpaio style in tents in the desert until their hearings. 

 
 
 
Ronin2
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3.2.4  Ronin2  replied to  Ender @3.2.2    one month ago

Haven't we proven repeatedly we suck at nation building? 

Would rather use any money and aid being (or that will be) sent to Mexico, South America, and Central America to put up a virtual wall; do away with the BP and put the US military in charge of our borders; and reform the worker VISA program. Let businesses decide how many migrant workers this country really needs. The E-Verify system can be used to allow the federal government to run an in depth check. If the migrant passes the background check- then a work VISA is issued through the company the migrant is working for. If the migrant is let go for any reason from the company the work VISA is canceled. If a migrant can't find a job for any reason- then no assistance or aid from any level of government will be provided. They will self deport; or if ICE or authorities catch them will be deported and never allowed to return. If while they are in the country they break any laws their work VISA will be canceled and they will be deported- never to be allowed to return.

Simple and to the point. No millions streaming across our borders every year. Which is the reason neither party will ever pass it.

 
 
 
Ender
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3.2.5  Ender  replied to  Ronin2 @3.2.4    one month ago

Sorry but just using everify would not stop people from coming here. Also sounds like a lot of work.

So we have gone from build a fence, to double fence, then a wall, now a virtual wall.

It is still doing the same things over and over and over....

And I would rather spend the money south of us. We can spend countless years meddling in the Middle East, send billions to Africa, hell we can even worry about where a stupid consulate is put in Israel yet not one person wants to lift a finger or spend a dollar toward the crisis below us that causes all the immigrants to come here to begin with.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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3.2.6  Sean Treacy  replied to  Ender @3.2.5    one month ago
is still doing the same things over and over and ove

Why do you keep saying this when you know it's not true?  We haven't actually done any of those things. 

 
 
 
Ender
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3.2.7  Ender  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.2.6    one month ago

Uh huh. So we were never in the Middle East, never send money to Africa, never moved the embassy in Israel....

 
 
 
arkpdx
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3.2.8  arkpdx  replied to  Ender @3.2.5    one month ago
So we have gone from build a fence, to double fence, then a wall, now a virtual wall.

Maybe if the democrats would have ever left them build or do any of those things they might have had some effect. 

We can spend countless years meddling in the Middle East, send billions to Africa

Ok,stop doing that. I don't really care. 

not one person wants to lift a finger or spend a dollar toward the crisis below us that causes all the  immigrants 

Your right. I don't want to lift a finger or spend a dollar in those countries. They are not my problem. We have more than enough poor and undereducated people of our on to worry about citizens of some shit hole in South America. Let us help the needy and hungry and homeless that are citizens of this country before assisting losers from another country. 

 
 
 
Ender
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3.2.9  Ender  replied to  arkpdx @3.2.8    one month ago

So there were no walls or fences built? Contrary to your belief there are some built and in place right now, for all the good they do.

And since you all don't want to address why people are coming here and want to dismiss it outright, maybe you should all stop complaining when they show up. as you have done nothing to address the issue.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.2.10  Tessylo  replied to  Ender @3.2.9    one month ago

Bingo!  They never ever address why they're coming here, just dismissed as vermin and feral  cats.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.2.11  Tessylo  replied to  arkpdx @3.2.1    one month ago

how deplorable and typical of you regarding your fellow human beings

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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3.2.12  Sean Treacy  replied to  Ender @3.2.9    one month ago
no walls or fences built?

Do they cover the whole border?  I

as you have done nothing to address the issue

So you want to interfere in sovereign countries, overthrow their corrupt governments and train their citizens to believe in American ideals? 

 
 
 
Ender
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3.2.13  Ender  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.2.12    one month ago

Would covering the whole border make any difference? I tend to think not.

Why not? We definitely interfere in other countries. Oh wait, they have oil or precious minerals....

If they didn't believe in 'American' ideals, they wouldn't be coming here....

By the way, they are Americans, just not US citizens.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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3.2.14  Sean Treacy  replied to  Ender @3.2.13    one month ago
Would covering the whole border make any difference? I

Yes, barriers work.  Just because they aren't 100% effective doesn't mean they don't help. Look at the success Israel  has had with them, 

Why not?

I'm done with the idea of overthrowing governments and trying to force liberal democracy on people at the point of a gun. If you want America to invade pretty much all of Central America and Venezuela, make the case for  it. I believe it would be  much cheaper and cost tens of thousands of fewer lives to simply secure the border. 

 
 
 
Ender
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3.2.15  Ender  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.2.14    one month ago

I was being hyperbolic yet no more so than anyone else on these threads.

Yes we could get involved with these countries and see where we could help. How much does anyone really even hear about these countries or what is going on down there. Hell hardly the only thing I ever hear about is from people taking vacations in Costa Rica. 

I have to ask, what would be your metric for a secure border?

All we ever do is just deal with the ebb and flow.

 
 
 
Ronin2
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3.2.16  Ronin2  replied to  Ender @3.2.5    one month ago
Sorry but just using everify would not stop people from coming here. Also sounds like a lot of work.

So the fuck what? Like doing jack shit of nothing is working so damn well now.

So we have gone from build a fence, to double fence, then a wall, now a virtual wall.

You seem to miss that walls alone won't stop anything. There needs to be people there with the ability and means to stop crossers- hence the US military. Cartels would shit bricks facing real soldiers they can't buy off.

It is still doing the same things over and over and over....

You think what I suggested is doing the same thing over and over? It tells me you want open borders and unlimited immigration. Just walk in and you are a US citizen. Start collecting benefits immediately.

It is still doing the same things over and over and over....

You think we have tried what I suggested? Really? Suppose you think Democrats honored their deal with Reagan to get amnesty through.

How much more do you want to send them? Considering that we have nothing to show for what we have sent so far. Millions have come since Brandon took office; millions more in the hopper wanting to come up.

We can spend countless years meddling in the Middle East

What do we have to show for it? Didn't catch my comment "We suck at nation building"? Isn't that straight forward enough?

send billions to Africa

What do we have to show for it? Again, we suck at nation building.

hell we can even worry about where a stupid consulate is put in Israel

Remember Democrats screaming bloody fucking murder when Trump moved the embassy. The fact that you are putting that on a par with everything else shows you've jumped the rails.

yet not one person wants to lift a finger or spend a dollar toward the crisis below us that causes all the immigrants to come here to begin with.

Read the links I posted. We have and are sending money to Central America, South America, and elsewhere. It isn't working. We can't fix corrupt governments. We tried our hand in Central and South America before and fucked it up. What you are proposing is not just doing more of the same; but increasing the amount of money, aid, and maybe getting militarily involved. Short memory on how that worked out for us in Afghanistan? Remember that war in Ukraine we are financing. We don't have the funds to start a military operation; much the less the military resources to take and hold multiple countries. I am sure China would love it if we tried; they would get a free pass to take Taiwan. So would Russia. It would send the US into a headlong recession that must faster; and force resources to be diverted away from Ukraine. 

 
 
 
afrayedknot
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3.2.17  afrayedknot  replied to  Ronin2 @3.2.16    one month ago

There’s always this brilliant solution:

“If it was my house the BP could pick up the scraps of what was left of the illegal immigrants.”

 
 
 
arkpdx
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3.2.18  arkpdx  replied to  Ender @3.2.9    one month ago
And since you all don't want to address why people are coming here and want to dismiss it outright, maybe you should all stop complaining when they show up. 

I said I don't care about the conditions in their country of origin. I don't care how difficult their lives are there. I have said I don't want them here. They don't belong here and have no right to just show up here and expect to be let in. 

So there were no walls or fences built? Contrary to your belief there are some built and in place right now, for all the good they do.

Until Trump there were very few and far between. 

 
 
 
arkpdx
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3.2.19  arkpdx  replied to  Tessylo @3.2.10    one month ago
They never ever address why they're coming here, 

Don't care why they are coming here. They can come here within our laws or not at all. 

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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3.2.20  1stwarrior  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.2.12    one month ago

Sean - so many of the folks on NT don't seem to realize that the U.S. "assisted" in overthrowing governments in South and Central America, including Cuba.

Hell, Hillary toured Central/South America when the U.S. "assisted" the Honduran and Nicaragua governments get overthrown and funneled cash to the "new" governments.

Look what it got us.

In the early-20th-century "Banana Republic" era of Latin American history, the U.S. launched several interventions and invasions in the region (known as the Banana Wars) to promote American business interests. United States influenced regime change in this period of Latin American history started after the signing of the Treaty of Paris in the wake of the Spanish-American War. Cuba gained its independence, while Puerto Rico and the Philippines were occupied by the United States. Expansive and imperialist U.S. foreign policy combined with new economic prospects led to increased U.S. intervention in Latin America from 1898 to the early 1930s. Continued activities lasted into the late 20th century.

The U.S., ultimately, changed the regimes of many of the Central/South American countries replacing the existing leadership with dictators who, typically, took the money and ran.

 
 
 
arkpdx
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3.2.21  arkpdx  replied to  Tessylo @3.2.11    one month ago

I will be more concerned about my fellow countrymen well before I will care about someone who will break the law and come here not only unwanted and uninvited but illegally as well. 

If their country is "F'd" up, let them stay there and fix things up their. Don't come here and "F" things up here. 

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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3.2.22  1stwarrior  replied to  afrayedknot @3.2.17    one month ago

So, the Castle Law should be outlawed 'cause some Illegal Aliens violated it and were killed???

 
 
 
arkpdx
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3.2.23  arkpdx  replied to  Ronin2 @3.2.16    one month ago
Cartels would shit bricks facing real soldiers they can't buy off. 

If it was up to me, I would find where the cartels were operating from and using SEALS, and other special forces units go in and take them out. There is precedent for going into Mexico to end criminal activity in our country without Mexico's permission. If Mexico won't take care of the cartel issue in the border we should.  

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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3.2.24  1stwarrior  replied to  Ender @3.2.15    one month ago

Including our present President vacationing in the Indies over the holidays, right?

 
 
 
Ender
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3.2.25  Ender  replied to  Ronin2 @3.2.16    one month ago

So do nothing to stop the waves then. Just bitch and complain and actually make things up about people.

So still no solutions except having a standing army on the border.

The one that has jumped off the rails is this poster that does nothing but insult while adding zero to any actual conversation.

 
 
 
Ender
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3.2.26  Ender  replied to  arkpdx @3.2.18    one month ago

Few and far between? Get real...

 
 
 
Ender
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3.2.27  Ender  replied to  arkpdx @3.2.23    one month ago

So now you want the military to do something yet when I suggest looking into other countries that most of these people actually come from the answer is no. Just attack Mexico...

 
 
 
GregTx
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3.2.28  seeder  GregTx  replied to  Ender @3.2.27    one month ago

Why wouldn't you want the military to do something about terrorists along such a porous border?..

 
 
 
GregTx
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3.3  seeder  GregTx  replied to  SteevieGee @3    one month ago

I completely agree. Without any teeth for enforcement of everify, what was the point? 

 
 
 
Kavika
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3.4  Kavika   replied to  SteevieGee @3    one month ago

In Florida DeSantis and the legislature exempted big Agri from our E verify system...Well fucking DUH, what industry has a large number of illegals in Florida?

 
 
 
SteevieGee
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3.4.1  SteevieGee  replied to  Kavika @3.4    one month ago
In Florida DeSantis and the legislature exempted big Agri from our E verify system...Well fucking DUH, what industry has a large number of illegals in Florida?

Yes, Florida requires E-verify for government jobs and government contractors but DeSantis has changed it to only require it for new hires, not existing employees like it was so he has actually relaxed the requirement all while crying about border security.  It's almost like he needs them as a political punching bag.  Hmmm...

 
 
 
Kavika
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3.4.2  Kavika   replied to  SteevieGee @3.4.1    one month ago
It's almost like he needs them as a political punching bag.  Hmmm...

LOL, Mr. Legal Immigration is a con artist after the E verify con job he follows it up by sending two planeloads of illegals to the NE but after a couple of lawsuits, he stopped that stupid move. Of course, there is his '' illegal voter crackdown'' the ones he had arrested were authorized by the state of FL to vote and presently the few cases that have gone to court have been thrown out by the judge.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4  Vic Eldred    one month ago

Here is what life is like along the border:

 
 
 
Ronin2
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4.1  Ronin2  replied to  Vic Eldred @4    one month ago

But there is no crisis at the border. 

I am shocked everyone near the border doesn't own a large caliber weapon to deal with instances like this.

If it was my house the BP could pick up the scraps of what was left of the illegal immigrants.

 
 
 
afrayedknot
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4.1.1  afrayedknot  replied to  Ronin2 @4.1    one month ago

“If it was my house the BP could pick up the scraps of what was left of the illegal immigrants.”

What a tough guy. Do you extend that to your neighborhood? Reckon less tough and more puff.

 
 
 
Ronin2
Professor Quiet
4.1.2  Ronin2  replied to  afrayedknot @4.1.1    one month ago

Please try to break into my house and find out. I protect what is mine.

As for my neighborhood- most of them already own guns for home protection. Those that don't can be counted on to scream bloody murder to authorities if there is a shot fired. Hell, try lighting off fireworks after curfew time in my neighborhood and find out what happens. The cops think we are all asses; but we are tax paying asses that expect the laws to be enforced. We vote and show up and city and town meetings.

But good to know you don't give a shit about your fellow US citizens safety due to a crisis Brandon the Human Fuck Up Machine caused.

 
 
 
afrayedknot
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4.1.3  afrayedknot  replied to  Ronin2 @4.1.2    one month ago

Wow. Red flags galore, emphasis on red. 

 
 
 
Ender
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4.1.4  Ender  replied to  afrayedknot @4.1.3    one month ago

No kidding....

 
 
 
charger 383
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6  charger 383    one month ago

What are all these supporters of illegal aliens willing to give up for them? 

 
 
 
GregTx
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6.1  seeder  GregTx  replied to  charger 383 @6    one month ago

Tots and pears?

 
 

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