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Two EVs Europeans can buy, but Americans can't

  

Category:  Alternative Energy

By:  bob-nelson  •  8 months ago  •  15 comments

Two EVs Europeans can buy, but Americans can't



MAGA hates science because science says "truth" is objective, rather than whatever Our Glorious Leader says it is.

Alternative energy is science.

MAGA must therefore hate EVs?


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Corporations - that includes automobile maunfacturers - are not charitable institutions. Their purpose is to rake in as much money as possible. Much of their behavior is dictated by circumstances - political, social, whatever. If political crcumstances allow them to not sell inexpensive models - the models that carry the lowest profit margins - then they will cut them from their lineup. The result is that manufacturers like Kia or Ford offer models in Europe that they do not offer in the States.

Then, of course, they say "Americans don't want them." 



Why are Chinese EVs banned in the US? They are "affordable", which is supposedly important these days. I doubt anyone fears that they would somehow spy out important defense secrets and then phone home. 

So... could it be that this is just the government supporting Big Business to the detriment of the average consumer? Gee... Hooda thunk it?




Kia has a good sales/service network in the States. There is absolutely no reason why the EV2 could not be sold here. Oh, wait - yes, there is! Kia can make more money selling higher-spec cars... and since the government is discouraging other manufacturers from selling affordable EVs, Kia has no incentive to do so.


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Bob Nelson
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1  author  Bob Nelson    8 months ago

MAGA's base is screwed - every day - by Trump and the zillionaires. 

MAGA's base applaudes...

Is it surprising, then, that Trump despises his base?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2  Jeremy Retired in NC    8 months ago

There are a lot of cars that europeans can buy that aren't available in the US.  

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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2.1  author  Bob Nelson  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2    8 months ago

True. The interesting question is "why". Why can't the wealthiest country in the world propose the best cars? What's going on, here?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.1.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Bob Nelson @2.1    8 months ago
The interesting question is "why".

Standards.  A lot has to be done to a european auto to be brought to the US.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.2  Vic Eldred  replied to  Bob Nelson @2.1    8 months ago

It's called stupidity otherwise known as globalization.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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2.1.3  author  Bob Nelson  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.1.1    8 months ago

EU standards are higher. You really should know more, before talking nonsense like this.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.1.4  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Bob Nelson @2.1.3    8 months ago
You really should know more, before talking nonsense like this.

You don't know that I spent time overseas and shipped a European automobile to the states after paying for all the needed upgrades.  How cute.  

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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2.1.5  author  Bob Nelson  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.1.4    8 months ago

1950s?

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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2.1.6  Jack_TX  replied to  Bob Nelson @2.1.3    8 months ago
EU standards are higher. You really should know more, before talking nonsense like this.

In some areas, yes.  In some areas, US standards are higher.  

 
 
 
Snuffy
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2.1.7  Snuffy  replied to  Bob Nelson @2.1.3    8 months ago

EU standards are different. For cars, the EU safety standards prioritizes pedestrian protection, mandatory active safety tech (ISA, e-call), and stricter, centralized type-approval, whereas US standards focus more on occupant protection during rollovers, non-belted crash tests, and manufacturer self-certification. To purchase a car under 25 years old from the EU and ship it to the US, there are standards that must be met. 

Modern Vehicle Compliance Pathways (Under 25 Years)

Vehicles not meeting 25-year exemption face substantially more complex and expensive compliance requirements.

Registered Importer (RI) Conversion : Non-25-year vehicles require modifications to meet EPA emissions and NHTSA safety standards performed by authorized Registered Importers:

  • Typical RI conversion costs: $9,500-$28,500 per vehicle

  • 150% dutiable value compliance bond required during modification period

  • Maximum 120 days for RI completion

  • Not all European models can be economically converted

Show or Display Exemption : Limited to vehicles on NHTSA's pre-approved list with significant historical or technological importance:

  • One vehicle per person per year limit

  • 2,500 miles per year driving restriction

  • Must still meet EPA requirements or qualify for EPA exemption

  • See eligible vehicles in our   Show or Display import guide

Substantially Similar (S&D) Pathway : Vehicles identical to U.S.-market versions may qualify for simplified compliance—extremely rare for European-market vehicles.

Strategic Recommendation : Focus imports on 25-year-eligible classics avoiding $10,000-$30,000+ compliance costs and complexity.

Checklist For importing A European Car To The US: Key Compliance Tips

There are even bigger differences for diesel engine vehicles. It's really simple, cars built for the EU marketplace are built to meet the EU requirements for environmental concerns and safety laws, and the laws are different in the US. You cannot just pick up a car in France and ship it over to the US and immediately start to drive it. 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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2.1.8  author  Bob Nelson  replied to  Jack_TX @2.1.6    8 months ago

No.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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2.1.9  Jack_TX  replied to  Bob Nelson @2.1.8    8 months ago
No.

Yes. 

The US has different roof crush requirements, for example.  As well as airbag performance rules.

The EU requires better pedestrian protection and automatic braking.

Unless the car is designed from the beginning to comply with EU and US regulations, you've got some serious modifications to do.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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3  Jack_TX    8 months ago
Why are Chinese EVs banned in the US? They are "affordable", which is supposedly important these days.

They're not technically banned. 

The Biden Administration enacted a 100% tariff on them in 2024, so they also would not be "affordable".  Also, under Biden's Inflation Reduction Act, they don't qualify for tax credits, because they're not made in the US.

Kia has a good sales/service network in the States.

Yes.

There is absolutely no reason why the EV2 could not be sold here.

It could be sold here.  But you answered that yourself... Americans don't want them.  Americans prefer larger cars.  The EV2 is basically a smaller, electric version of the Kia Soul, which only sold about 50k units last year.  Given that Americans only buy electric cars 10% of the time, you might realistically expect to sell 5,000 units.  That's not enough to justify the expense of getting them certified here.

Oh, wait - yes, there is! Kia can make more money selling higher-spec cars

Americans also prefer those cars.  We have sales data.  There are literally hundreds of billions of dollars at stake here.  Car companies know what Americans will buy.

... and since the government is discouraging other manufacturers from selling affordable EVs

How?  

Our government literally gave us thousands of dollars to go buy EVs, and we still weren't interested.  Exactly what do you expect them to do?

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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3.1  author  Bob Nelson  replied to  Jack_TX @3    8 months ago

None so blind...

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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3.1.1  Jack_TX  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.1    8 months ago
None so blind...

Well, stop ignoring all the pertinent information and you'll see better.  

 
 

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