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We Must Be Americans First And Political Partisans Later

  
By:  DocPhil  •  Politics  •  6 years ago  •  49 comments

We Must Be Americans First And Political Partisans Later

It totally amazes me that there are actually people defending this president for using profanity to denigrate entire groups of people. The president's defenders are falling into two categories; those who state that adults use profanity and that we should all put on our big boy and big girl pants and suck it up, and those who are arguing that the president is saying only that which most Americans feel.

The problem is that both defenses are wrong and totally missed the outrage that the president's attack speech has caused throughout the nation and the world. Presidential speech has frequently been profane, but it has rarely,if ever, been overtly racist. The president is the diplomat-in-chief of the  United States. In that role, he is responsible for maintaining America's role in the world as the receiver of the world with open arms. We are the country of inclusion,not the purveyors of hatred.

The greatness of this country lies in its soft power.  That is the power of acceptance and the recognition that out of many, we have become one. There is no black, brown, white, red, or yellow. There is no Christian, Jewish, Muslim, or Atheist once they are citizens. They are Americans.

Now our national debate centers on  denigrating entire people's. We argue about the president's fitness for office. We worry about the chaos that many believe has brought the nation to the brink of Armageddon. And what do we get......not an honest discussion of policy issues......but....a hateful, bigoted, racist rant by the man who should be held to the  highest standard. This is unacceptable.

Perhaps we should let Trump rave and rant.  What we can't do is allow the rest of our government fall into the same cesspool our president has created. The soul of the nation is at stake. Our leaders have to stand up and be counted 

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Uncle Bruce
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2  Uncle Bruce    6 years ago

"What we can't do is allow the rest of our government to continue in the cesspool our president is trying to eliminate."

There.  Fixed it for ya.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
2.1  Ender  replied to  Uncle Bruce @2    6 years ago

Trying to eliminate?  Looks like he is adding to it to me...

Here's What Each Member Of Trump's $4.5 Billion Cabinet Is Worth

Full of career government people, people that made fortunes off of subprime loans and oil company people.

A populist wave may have propelled Donald Trump to the nation’s highest office, but he is proving to be no man of the people. Trump has already proposed what appears to be the wealthiest Cabinet in modern U.S. history, a collection of elites that includes a billionaire heiress, ExxonMobil’s CEO, a former Goldman Sachs partner and an investor who made millions off underwater mortgages during the financial crisis.
 
 
 
Spikegary
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2.1.1  Spikegary  replied to  Ender @2.1    6 years ago

So, what you are saying is that it's a bad idea to have successful people put into positions in government to try to fix the things that are wrong with it?  Gotcha.

 
 
 
katrix
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2.1.2  katrix  replied to  Spikegary @2.1.1    6 years ago

Trump hasn't put many qualified people into office, and the security vetting is terrible.  He thinks ignorance is a good quality in a Cabinet member .. as long as said member will suck up to him, and is willing to trample on our Constitution to provide loyalty to the dictator-wanna-be.  Trump's no different now than he was for the decades he was a Democrat.  But partisan folks are willing to overlook his complete lack of morality, ethics, and sanity now that he has an "R" behind his name.  Talk about hypocrisy. 

It's sad how many voters think electing someone who actually has a brain is a bad thing.  Experienced people are  "elitist" - rather than "qualified for their jobs."  Trump told the truth once, though - when he said that he could shoot someone on 5th Ave and his supporters wouldn't care.  All the hypocrites who said Hillary shouldn't run because Bill cheated on her ... and now that Trump has been found out to have cheated yet again, that's somehow just fine.  Melania is a good wife for sticking by him.

It's disgusting.

 
 
 
It Is ME
Masters Guide
3  It Is ME    6 years ago

It totally amazes me that there are actually people thinking this president was using profanity to denigrate entire groups of people.

Sounded like a denigration on those "Governments" to me. 

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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3.1  igknorantzrulz  replied to  It Is ME @3    6 years ago
It totally amazes me

The word "the'

most likely amazes you as well.

 
 
 
It Is ME
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3.1.1  It Is ME  replied to  igknorantzrulz @3.1    6 years ago

You "Lettered' in Sex Ed huh !

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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3.1.2  igknorantzrulz  replied to  It Is ME @3.1.1    6 years ago
You "Lettered' in Sex Ed huh !

yep

I'm the letter A, there Scarlett

 
 
 
It Is ME
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3.1.3  It Is ME  replied to  igknorantzrulz @3.1.2    6 years ago

It shows.

Don't see a "Proud" moment to be had though. 

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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3.1.4  igknorantzrulz  replied to  It Is ME @3.1.3    6 years ago

depends on what you would be proud about

no...?

 
 
 
Dean Moriarty
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4  Dean Moriarty    6 years ago

I love it. It’s just as entertaining as when he said Hillary got schlonged and the leftists cried and declared Trump was finished. Little did they know so many of us agreed with him and it was refreshing to hear a politician tell it like it is. 

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
PhD Quiet
4.1  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Dean Moriarty @4    6 years ago
Hillary got schlonged

jealous, huh ?

 
 
 
LynneA
Freshman Silent
5  LynneA    6 years ago

What does it say about us as a nation when we applaud derisive speech?  Sitting in our homes rooting for unfiltered words and references that feed our personal biases.  For me it should come down to what we teach our children.  How many if us wanted to speak our minds to parents in our youth using vulgarity?  Probably most of us, yet to protect our front teeth, learned how to say what was on our mind respectfully.  After one bar of soap, I got the lying lesson 🤐

Beyond the POTUS words, his lying about them is what angers me the most.  Trump needs to own what he spews.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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5.1  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  LynneA @5    6 years ago

I was pretty shocked to see the word ‘shithole’ on the tv screen over and over.  Some talking heads were pronouncing it, some were substituting ‘s-hole’, and some were claiming they couldn’t even use that word on their broadcast.  I predict it is only going to get worse from here.

 
 
 
The Magic 8 Ball
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6  The Magic 8 Ball    6 years ago
It totally amazes me that there are actually people defending this president for using profanity to denigrate entire groups of people.

for obamas entire administration straight thru to today...  the left verbally abused the right. among many other things... along with the terms "racist and "nazi the left has labeled entire groups of people as "irredeemable, "deplorable and "bitter clingers  just for voting trump.

and now you try to act like you own the moral high ground and want to suddenly play nice? 

progressives are too damn funny for words.

  go fish :)

We Must Be Americans First

americans want secure border, better trade deals and a sovereign country

the left wants open borders, shit trade deals and a country that bends to international schemes

when the left loves "our country again let us know?

 
 
 
DocPhil
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6.1  author  DocPhil  replied to  The Magic 8 Ball @6    6 years ago

Just a single reply to all of those on the right who have nothing more substantial to add to the conversation other than the denigrating of Obama and Clinton, or the ad hominid attacks on those left of the Alt-Right.  

When you defend a vulgar, racially insensitive, divisive individual who has pushed us away from almost every ally we've traditionally had,including Great Britain, Germany, and France; When you can't come to recognize that this man finds his investments in Russia to be more important than our national security; When you turn a blind eye to the coming indictments from Mueller's office, you fall into the rapidly shrinking band of lemmings willing to follow your pied piper over the mountain.

Trump is, by far, the most deplorable person ever to sit in the Oval Office. History will be clear on that fact.😎😎😎

 
 
 
Rex Block
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6.1.1  Rex Block  replied to  DocPhil @6.1    6 years ago

You're totally confused and wrong, in addition to being a super partisan.

 
 
 
DocPhil
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6.1.2  author  DocPhil  replied to  Rex Block @6.1.1    6 years ago

I am now a partisan who started my political life as both a republican and an office holder in a republican administration. I also served on committees to which I was appointed by Ronald Reagan.  It was the current manifestation of the republican party that has made me a partisan d- 

 
 
 
The Magic 8 Ball
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6.1.3  The Magic 8 Ball  replied to  DocPhil @6.1    6 years ago
or the ad hominid attacks on those left

if the shoe fits...

 as long as you attack those right of you? those right of you will feel the same about you.

that is kinda how the world works.

in the meantime... explain what the democrats are running on?

  1. open borders?
  2. schit trade deals?
  3. or just we hate trump?

Cheers :)

 
 
 
DocPhil
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6.1.4  author  DocPhil  replied to  The Magic 8 Ball @6.1.3    6 years ago

My argument isn't with anyone on the right whose views I disagree with.  You have every right to those opinions. This nation's greatness is based on our political differences. When we have a POTUS who attempts to stifle opposition by accusing every individual or news entity as fake  or having a negative quality  ( "Pocahantas" Warren, "Lying"Ted cruz", ("Sneaky"Diane Feinstein,, etc.), the reamity is that we have a president who acts more like a tin pot despot than the leader of the greatest nation on earth. That is what I oppose. 

To your questions; I am not for open borders, but I think the idea of  a border wall is the dumbest possible solution in terms of fiscal responsibility and effectiveness. Let's start with enforcement of the visa renewal system and the enforcement of e-verify. Those two things would have a greater effect than 2000 miles of wall.

We have bungled our trade deals since the end of WWII. NAFTA may have been the worst of them. I still consider it the worst deal we've ever negotiated. It was the only policy area I agrend with Trump during the election.

As to your question about hating Trump. You're actually right. My family has known Trump for 35 years. My father's firm had the contract to paint and decorate 3  Trump properties.. The bid price was2.3 million with 25% up front and the balance on completion. The projects were completed but Trump only paid an additional 25%.. He said he decided that it was all the job was worth. That was a 1.15 million dollar hit. Trump then challenged the company to take him to court. My father's firm eventually won but the fight and fees cost almost 800k,leaving him that much in the hole. Do I hate Trump?  Damn right I do. The man is a thief and should be in jail,  not the Oval Office. 

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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6.1.5  Jack_TX  replied to  DocPhil @6.1.2    6 years ago
I am now a partisan

I thought we were supposed to be Americans first.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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6.1.6  Jack_TX  replied to  DocPhil @6.1.4    6 years ago
When we have a POTUS who attempts to stifle opposition by accusing every individual or news entity as fake  or having a negative quality  ( "Pocahantas" Warren, "Lying"Ted cruz", ("Sneaky"Diane Feinstein,, etc.), the reamity is that we have a president who acts more like a tin pot despot than the leader of the greatest nation on earth. That is what I oppose.

I don't like Trump, and I didn't vote for Trump.

But when every opposition to every piece of leftist ideology over the last 8 years has been met with accusations of "racism" or "greed" or some other supposed character flaw, the moral high ground is gone. 

It's incredibly disappointing, but these are the new rules, and the angry left wrote them. 

 
 
 
The Magic 8 Ball
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6.1.7  The Magic 8 Ball  replied to  DocPhil @6.1.4    6 years ago
We have bungled our trade deals since the end of WWII. NAFTA may have been the worst of them.

yes nafta is a bad deal but is it bad compared to the tpp and paris agreement??

you crack me up :)

here are the last 4 traitorous presidents

  1. bush 1
  2. clinton
  3. bush 2
  4. obama

and when I say last? double entendre...

the last 4 in order and the last traitorous pricks we will see in a long time... 

that globalist bs or "the liberal world order" as obama called it is done in this country for more than just a few generations.

it is interesting how the one thing you agree with trump on is the main reason people like me voted for him (shit trade deals)

 a great awakening is upon us, those who sold us out will fall. (tick / tock)

the future looks bright, more mayberry and less Fallujah :)

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
PhD Quiet
7  igknorantzrulz    6 years ago

take the damn blinders off

color your books

cooked to imperfection that those who would

be king, must pay for porno Queens

or better

off dead

ahead, is where we fell

under behind

the times

they are a changing

Depends on Trumpullthinskin

and fore thoughts

by an ignorant third

 
 
 
Skrekk
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7.1  Skrekk  replied to  igknorantzrulz @7    6 years ago

Speaking of porno queens, the $130K Trump payed one to shut her up seems like a bargain.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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7.1.1  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Skrekk @7.1    6 years ago

bargain and porno queen seem paradoxical

call me old

fashion ed

cause, ill drink one to that

 
 
 
Skrekk
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7.1.2  Skrekk  replied to  igknorantzrulz @7.1.1    6 years ago

Let's just call it an expensive date rather than an affair with a porno queen while his wife was nursing his infant son.

 
 
 
Spikegary
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7.1.3  Spikegary  replied to  Skrekk @7.1.2    6 years ago

Real proof of these and so many other allegations would be nice.  If you can't prove them, you should probably stop making them

 
 
 
Skrekk
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7.1.4  Skrekk  replied to  Spikegary @7.1.3    6 years ago

Since this was widely reported in the past few days it sounds like you need to read something other than FOX and Breitbart.

 
 
 
katrix
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7.1.5  katrix  replied to  Spikegary @7.1.3    6 years ago

What about all the accusations Trump has made from anonymous sources?  Hypocrites suck.

Hillary was a terrible candidate.  Her ethics and honesty were the major reason why.  So, we elected someone whose ethics, morals and honesty make Hillary look like a saint ... and that's pretty damn hard to do.

 
 
 
Rex Block
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8  Rex Block    6 years ago

We Must Be Americans First And Political Partisans Later

So says the seeder who launches immediately into a partisan rant! Trump could use a filter on his speech, but he is amazingly and refreshingly honest when it comes to saying what needs to be said. Why should the USA continue to be the dumping ground for every impoverished or war torn nation's cast offs. He is neither bigoted nor racist, but his accusers are.

 
 
 
OldUSAFGuy
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9  OldUSAFGuy    6 years ago

But yet Pres Obama called Libya a Shit Show.

Acceptable to the Left.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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9.1  igknorantzrulz  replied to  OldUSAFGuy @9    6 years ago

context is everything

 
 
 
LynneA
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9.2  LynneA  replied to  OldUSAFGuy @9    6 years ago

While utilized in a different manner, didn't think it was appropriate either.  People fall into political camps and are seemingly unable or unwilling to disagree with anything coming out of a party...individuality seems damned.

 
 
 
Skrekk
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10  Skrekk    6 years ago
The problem is that both defenses are wrong and totally missed the outrage that the president's attack speech has caused throughout the nation and the world.

Exactly right, and the outrage was in reaction to the racist intent not to the vulgar words he chose to use.

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Presidential speech has frequently been profane, but it has rarely,if ever, been overtly racist.

Most previous presidents haven't been so blatant or so public in their racism, but let's not forget that the King of the Birthers literally built his entire campaign on racism and pandering to racists and xenophobes.    No one should be surprised that Trump is a racist given his long history of racist comments and racist actions.

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It totally amazes me that there are actually people defending this president for using profanity to denigrate entire groups of people.

It shouldn't surprise you given that Trump's supporters are literally some of the dumbest and most racist people on the planet.   Trump was right that he could shoot someone on 5th Ave and not lose any supporters.    This is a good commentary:

 
 
 
luther28
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11  luther28    6 years ago

Sorry Doc, too late I fear.

America has been transformed into a never ending game show, 57% of the eligible players opted to sit it out and this is what we are left with.

Cannot blame Trump, Hillary or Obama, many may find the culprits in the closest mirror.

 
 
 
Bluestride
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12  Bluestride    6 years ago

Is it me or is the outrage misplaced? Shouldn't the outrage be directed at Sen Durbin? Think about it, Trump said or is alledged to have said something derogatory directed at some nations in the world. He did or is allegded to have done so behind closed doors. A sitting Senator of the United States decides to share this with with the nation and the world.

Whether the claims of Trump's choice of words are true or not is not important. This Senator has done irreprable harm to our diplomatic relations around the world. It would also seem this asshole Senator did so to score some cheap political points. Who is really the bigger fucktard in this situation? The sitting President who may or may not have said something in a closed session or the Senator who decided to set our diplomatic relations back, thus harming the nation he is sworn to serve?

My vote is for Fuckard Durbin

 
 
 
Spikegary
Junior Quiet
12.1  Spikegary  replied to  Bluestride @12    6 years ago

Good call, Bluestride.  It's a shame that an adult, a leader of the United States can't shut the hell up-has to run out and tell people....almost like an Elementary School Playground.

 
 
 
Skrekk
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12.2  Skrekk  replied to  Bluestride @12    6 years ago

So, shoot the guy who merely confirmed what reporters had already heard?    That's the best defense for Trump's racism I've heard yet.

 
 
 
DRHunk
Freshman Silent
14  DRHunk    6 years ago

From a Joe Shmoe point of view one can say those places are shitholes, but when referencing those countries from the President of The USA, whom i hope we hold to a higher standard in the world, I would have expected to hear they are "Economically Disparaged".

I don't think this instance should be a cause to clamor for "Racism", stupidity sure, racism...nah

 
 
 
freepress
Freshman Silent
15  freepress    6 years ago

Trump is given a free pass on everything, it is like his supporters took an amnesia pill. 

Lies, no problem, sexual assault, no problem, flip flops on every issue, no problem, making America less safe, no problem, attacks on our democracy and voting systems, no problem.

Trump has lied from day one and he knows it, deep down his supporters know it, they just want to live the fantasy. Doesn't matter if you show them repeated interviews in comparison where he lies and contradicts himself on every issue, it doesn't matter if you show them every tweet he ever tweeted contradicting every issue and contradicting his own opinions. Forget a dozen fact checking organizations on both sides of the aisle.

It is just like Bush, where they make excuse after excuse after excuse until they can't any longer. They voted for a Republican and because they voted for a Republican it means that Republican they voted into office can do no wrong. Until the voices of the people become so loud speaking the truth it can no longer be denied. WMD is just one example, Trump has a hundred such examples.

They never accept what a terrible husband and father Trump is, they know Trump spends his time golfing on the taxpayer dime and enriching his own business interests financially, they know that his marriage is a sham, they know he spends no real public time at all with his young son other than a few photo ops. This behavior is the "family values" candidate?

Trump is fixing NOTHING. He is weakening every aspect of our government, he is weakening our very financial existence with a budget that has openly created the highest economic deficit in our history. 

While Trump openly hires foreigners at his properties the Trump supporters say nothing, do nothing. 

While Trump says he will start deportations of "bad hombres". Another big lie.

Instead we see arrests of sick children torn from their legal family when they need life saving treatment, we see a man who has a child with cancer threatened, we see DACA American Veterans serving their country threatened, we see a family torn apart when an American Veteran killed in war where the legal father begs to allow his mother a renewed visa for his funeral denied that visa.

There is nothing good about what Trump has done, there is nothing good about a lie. The real "bad hombre" is Trump.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
16  CB    6 years ago

It is clearer now to me that it will be a symbolic "feathered-touch" which will bring this presidency down, IF ANYTHING DOES, and not some earth-shattering crisis. Why? Because Trump supporters are mentally prepared to accept the frankly crass, double-dealings, disloyalty, and "red flags."  So everybody sit back and relax, we are heading through the trade-winds of a second year Trump era presidency. Buckle up! The ride will be "sweet," "sour," or "grounded."