Jan. 6 witnesses push Trump stalwarts back to rabbit hole | AP News

  
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Jan. 6 witnesses push Trump stalwarts back to rabbit hole | AP News
One by one, several of Donald Trump's former top advisers have told a special House committee investigating his role in the Jan. 6 insurrection that they didn't believe his lies about the 2020 election, and that the former president knew he lost to Joe Biden.

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One by one, several of Donald Trump's former top advisers have told a special House committee investigating his role in the Jan. 6 insurrection that they didn't believe his lies about the 2020 election, and that the former president knew he lost to Joe Biden.

But instead of convincing Trump's most stalwart supporters, testimony from former attorney general Bill Barr and Trump's daughter Ivanka about the election and the attack on the U.S. Capitol is prompting many of them to simply reassert their views that the former president was correct in his false claim of victory.

Barr's testimony that Trump was repeatedly told there was no election fraud? He was paid off by a voting machine company, according to one false claim that went viral this week. Ivanka Trump saying she didn't believe Trump either? It's all part of Trump's grand plan to confuse his enemies and save America.

The claims again demonstrate how deeply rooted Trump's false narrative about the election has become.

"It's cognitive dissonance," said Jennifer Stromer-Galley, a Syracuse University professor who has studied how Trump used social media and advertising to mobilize his base. "If you believe what Trump says, and now Bill Barr and Trump's own daughter are saying these other things, it creates a crack, and people have to fill it."


The lawmakers leading the hearings into the deadly attack on the U.S. Capitol said one of their goals is to show how Trump repeatedly lied to his supporters in an effort to hold onto power and subvert American democracy.

"President Trump invested millions of dollars of campaign funds purposely spreading false information, running ads he knew were false, and convincing millions of Americans that the election was corrupt and he was the true president," said Rep. Liz Cheney, R-Wyo., the panel's vice chair. "As you will see, this misinformation campaign provoked the violence on January 6th."

For those who accept Trump's baseless claims, Barr's testimony was especially jarring. In his interview with investigators, he detailed Trump's many absurd allegations about the election 2020, calling them "bogus" and "idiotic."

Barr told the committee when he talked with Trump, "there was never an indication of interest in what the actual facts were."

"He's become detached from reality if he really believes this stuff," Barr said.

Following his testimony, many Trump supporters using sites like Reddit, GETTR and Telegram blasted Barr as a turncoat and noted that he's disputed Trump's election claims before.

But many others began grasping for alternative explanations for this testimony.

"I'm still hoping Barr is playing a role," one poster said on a Telegram channel popular with Trump supporters.

One post that spread widely this week suggested Barr was paid by Dominion Voting Systems, a company targeted by Trump and his supporters with baseless claims of vote rigging. "From 2009 to 2018, DOMINION PAID BARR $1.2 million in cash and granted him another $1.1 million in stock awards, according to SEC filings. (No wonder Barr can't find any voter fraud!)," the post read.

Wrong Dominion. Barr was paid by Dominion Energy, a publicly traded company headquartered in Richmond, Virginia, that provides power and heat to customers in several mid-Atlantic states.

Unlike Barr, Ivanka Trump has remained intensely popular with many Trump supporters and is seen by many as her father's potential successor. That may be why so many had to find an an alternative explanation for why she told Congress she didn't accept her father's claims.

Jordan Sather, a leading proponent of the QAnon theory, claims both Barr and Ivanka Trump lied during their testimony on Trump's orders, part of an elaborate scheme to defeat Trump's enemies by confusing Congress and the American public.

"I can just imagine Donald Trump telling Ivanka: 'Hey, go to this hearing, say these things. Screw with their heads,'" Sather said last week on his online show.

Some Trump supporters dismissed Ivanka Trump's testimony entirely by questioning whether any of it was real. That's another common refrain seen on far-right message boards. Many posters say they don't even believe the hearings are happening, but are a Hollywood production starring stand-ins for the former president's daughter and others.

"She looks different in a big way," one poster asked on Telegram. "CGI?"


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JohnRussell
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1  seeder  JohnRussell    2 months ago

This article is a great example of why there is no hope for MAGA. 

We have to get rid of it, not compromise with it or ignore it hoping it will go away. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
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2  TᵢG    2 months ago

The fact that people continue to defend Trump (where use of the word 'defend' gives them far too much credit) shows that the psychological factor that enables someone to still support Trump is going to die a very slow death.

 
 
 
Ender
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2.1  Ender  replied to  TᵢG @2    2 months ago

People are nuts. I saw an interview the other day, a woman said what she wanted was no old people elected. While she was wearing a trump shirt and promoting donald...

 
 
 
JBB
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2.1.1  JBB  replied to  Ender @2.1    2 months ago

original

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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3  Greg Jones    2 months ago

So....after the barely watched  hearings wrap up....what then?   Indictments?

It's irrelevant what happens to Trump. The MAGA hat will be passed to DeSantis,  who's already being attacked.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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3.1  TᵢG  replied to  Greg Jones @3    2 months ago
The MAGA hat will be passed to DeSantis

There is nothing intrinsically wrong with the concept of MAGA since that is simply a moniker for Trump executing standard GoP policies.   If MAGA continues (i.e. Trump's policies continue) with someone else in charge then the current concern over MAGA is far less meaningful.   The concern comes down to political disagreement over policies.

The problem with MAGA today is that it is currently coupled with Trump and is supporting Trump.   Trump, as you should have noticed, is the problem, not his policies.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  TᵢG @3.1    2 months ago
There is nothing intrinsically wrong with the concept of MAGA

Couldn't disagree more. MAGA is the ideology of white grievance and conspiracy theories, and it goes beyond Trump. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
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3.1.2  TᵢG  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.1    2 months ago

We define MAGA differently.   I define it as the policies that Trump articulated (e.g. secure border, America-first, ...) whereas you define it based on the views of a portion (likely most at this point) of the people who support Trump.

"White grievance and conspiracy theories" is of course intrinsically wrong.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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3.2  TᵢG  replied to  Greg Jones @3    2 months ago
So....after the barely watched  hearings wrap up....what then?   Indictments?

What do you think should happen?   I am asking for a non-partisan, objective assessment based on what Trump did and what the nation should allow a PotUS to do now and in the future.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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3.3  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Greg Jones @3    2 months ago

I’m not up to date on this, but were the hearings not watched by many ?

 
 

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