Orbán declares at CPAC "a Christian politician cannot be racist"

  
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Orbán declares at CPAC "a Christian politician cannot be racist"
At one point, Orbán read the Hungarian constitution's definition of marriage being between one man and one woman, prompting applause from the CPAC audience. "Less drag queens and more Chuck Norris," he said.

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H ungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán called on conservatives in Europe and the U.S. to take back power from liberals, declaring  a "clash of civilizations" is underway. 

The far-right leader, who addressed the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) in Texas on Thursday, recently faced an international backlash over controversial   remarks   he made in late July, in which he said Hungarians "do not want to become peoples of mixed race." One former adviser, who has since resigned, referred to those comments as "a pure Nazi speech worthy of Goebbels." 

Orbán, who came to power in 2010, has increasingly   clamped   down on political opposition and press freedom, consolidating his power further over the last two elections. 

At CPAC, Orbán tried to preempt criticism, claiming "a Christian politician cannot be racist" and that those who consider him a racist or anti-Semite are "simply idiots."

"I can already see tomorrow's headlines," Orbán said. "Far-right European racist and anti-Semite strongman, Trojan Horse of Putin, holds speech at conservative conference. But I don't want to give them any ideas, they know best how to write fake news."


During his speech, Orbán also attacked Jewish billionaire George Soros, former President Barack Obama, "globalists," and the Democratic Party: "They hate me and slander me and my country, as they hate you."

He also touted Hungary's aggressive illegal migration and   anti-"gender ideology"   policies. At one point, Orbán read the Hungarian constitution's definition of marriage being between one man and one woman, prompting applause from the CPAC audience. "Less drag queens and more Chuck Norris," he said.

A day before his appearance at CPAC, Orbán and his delegation met with former President Donald Trump at his golf club in Bedminster, New Jersey. Taylor Budowich, a spokesman for Mr. Trump's leadership PAC Save America, tweeted pictures of the meeting.

Hungarian Foreign Affairs Minister Péter Szijjártó also   commented   in a tweet that Hungarian-U.S. relations were "at their peak when Donald Trump was President" and expressed the hope that he'll be president again. .

With an eye toward the 2024 U.S. presidential race, Orbán called on conservatives to mobilize on both sides of the Atlantic to take back political power. 

"We must take back the institutions in Washington and in Brussels. We must coordinate the movement of our troops, because we face the same challenge," he said. "You have two years to get ready."

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JohnRussell
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1  seeder  JohnRussell    5 days ago

Orban has turned Hungary into an authoritarian, bigoted state. He has rigged elections, virtually ended a free press, and has condemned immigration, race mixing, same sex marriage. He told CPAC we are in a war of "civilizations", meaning I guess traditional viewpoints against societal progress. By his words, racism and bigotry represent humanity's most precious "tradition". And he got a standing ovation from the conservative Republicans at CPAC. 

As far as Christians not able to be racist, he must not be a student of America. In the antebellum days slaveowners , white supremacists, and Christian preachers in the south used the Bible as justification for declaring black inferiority.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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2  Drinker of the Wry    5 days ago
Orban has turned Hungary into an authoritarian, bigoted state.

Hungary, has long been a racist state. Since the Enlightenment, that 17th-18th Century intellectual movement, race became one of the factors that scientists used to explain the natural world.  Social Darwinists and other European intellectuals then developed conceptions of their physical attributes from race as species or subspecies, to a concept that embodied the features of a specific religious or ethnic group as critical to national identity. 

In the early 20th Century,  anthropometric, serological and anthropological debates on the ‘racial origin’ of various ethnic groups in Hungary occurred.  Mathematical formulae, statistics and analyses of blood groups formed were used to build arguments that aimed to identify certain ethnic groups as ‘inferior and  others as biologically verified ‘members’ of the ethnic majority.  

Hungarian fascists, like other central European fascists and the Nazi's used this along with other modernist cultural rebellions that denounced the materialistic and individualistic view of the liberal bourgeois culture of the time.  

Race and national identity became politically important again following the collapse of communism over 30 years ago. Orban didn't create this, he tapped into it.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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2.1  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @2    5 days ago
Orban didn't create this, he tapped into it.

seems to be a lot of 'leaders' tapping in

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
3  Drinker of the Wry    5 days ago

Yes, and it's ironic it traces back through eugenics and social Darwinism to original science during the so-called Enlightenment.  

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
4  Ozzwald    5 days ago
Orbán Declares At CPAC "A Christian Politician Cannot Be Racist"

I always though that being a christian politician is a prerequisite to being a racist politician.  But this helps explain why right wingers seem to like the guy so much.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
4.1  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Ozzwald @4    5 days ago
I always though that being a christian politician is a prerequisite to being a racist politician

It's laughable that you don't realize that there are racist politicians of other faiths and even atheist, racist politicians.  

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
4.1.1  Ozzwald  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @4.1    5 days ago
It's laughable that you don't realize that there are racist politicians of other faiths and even atheist, racist politicians.

It's laughable that you are trolling me for something I never said. 

Please show where I said that being a christian politician is THE ONLY prerequisite to being a racist politician.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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4.1.2  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Ozzwald @4.1.1    5 days ago
Please show where I said that being a christian politician is THE ONLY prerequisite to being a racist politician.

No, you said a prerequisite, what other prerequisites do you see?

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
4.1.3  Ozzwald  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @4.1.2    5 days ago

No, you said a prerequisite, 

Correct, A prerequisite.

what other prerequisites do you see

Quite a few.  But see no reason to take the time to list them for someone that is just trolling me.

 
 
 
bugsy
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4.1.4  bugsy  replied to  Ozzwald @4.1.3    4 days ago
Quite a few.

Find that hard to believe. To most leftists, to be racist, the only prerequisite is to be white. An added kicker for them is being a Christian.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.2  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @4    5 days ago
I always though that being a christian politician is a prerequisite to being a racist politician. 

So maybe you have learned that isn't true by now?

Or still clinging to weird theories?

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
4.2.1  Ozzwald  replied to  Texan1211 @4.2    5 days ago
So maybe you have learned that isn't true by now?

Actually just the opposite.  Religion makes a handy venue to try and justify your racism.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
4.2.2  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @4.2.1    5 days ago

I suppose it is possible for someone to actually believe that a prerequisite for being a racist politician is being a Christian politician.

Fortunately for me, the people I tend to deal with are much too intelligent to ever fall for that silly line of 'reasoning'.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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4.2.3  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Ozzwald @4.2.1    5 days ago
Religion makes a handy venue to try and justify your racism.

Historically, science was used.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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4.2.4  Sean Treacy  replied to  Texan1211 @4.2    5 days ago

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Ozzwald
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4.2.5  Ozzwald  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @4.2.3    5 days ago
Historically, science was used.

Religion has been used almost exclusively throughout history, however you are correct in that there have been a few examples of science being used as such.  Of course there are more instances of science being used to encourage the move away from racism and toward equality.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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4.2.6  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Ozzwald @4.2.5    5 days ago

Are there many references to races and racism in the Bible?  Here are some science ones:

  • 1759: Botanist Carl Linnaeus publishes the 10th edition of Systema Naturae, which is the first to fully describe the four races of man.
  • 1770: Dutch naturalist Petrus Camper begins developing his “facial angle” formula, basing his ideal angle on Grecian statues.
  • 1795: Anthropologist Johann Friedrich Blumenbach names the five races of man.
  • Early 1800s: Franz Joseph Gall develops “cranioscopy,” which is later renamed phrenology by his disciple Johann Spurzheim.
  • 1810: John Caspar Lavater publishes the foundational text Essays on Physiognomy.
  • 1828: George Combe publishes The Constitution of Man Considered in Relation to External Objects, linking phrenology and racial comparison.
  • 1830s: Orson Fowler opens his Phrenological Cabinet in the heart of downtown Manhattan.
  • 1832: Johann Gaspar Spurzheim invigorates the American phrenology movement with his series of lectures in Boston.
  • 1839: Samuel George Morton introduces his theory of craniometry in Crania Americana.
  • 1844: Scottish publisher Robert Chambers releases his Vestiges of the Natural History of Mankind, the most popular work of natural history prior to Darwin’s Origin of Species. Chambers argues that each race represents a different stage of human evolution with whites being the most evolved.
  • 1852: American physician James W. Redfield writes Comparative Physiognomy, which equates each type of people with a specific animal.
  • 1853: French thinker Arthur Comte Gobineau publishes An Essay on the Inequality of the Human Race, arguing for the primacy of the Aryan race.
  • 1859: Charles Darwin release the first edition of On the Origin of Species.
  • 1864: Herbert Spencer coins the phrase “survival of the fittest” in developing his theories of social Darwinism.
  • 1865: French anthropologist Paul Broca develops his “table chromatique” for classifying skin color.
  • 1866: Physician John Downs defines “Mongolian idiocy” which he argues is a regression to the “Oriental stage” of human development.
  • 1869: Francis Galton publishes Hereditary Genius, outlining his theories or human breeding
  • 1876: Italian psychiatrist Cesare Lombroso releases Criminal Man, which outlines his theory of criminal anthropology
  • 1877: Richard Dugdale publishes The Jukes, which links crime and heredity
  • 1883: Galton coins the term eugenics
  • 1893: The World’s Columbian Exposition opens in Chicago with country pavilions organized according to scientific theories of race
  • 1900: Gregor Mendel’s theories of inheritance are “rediscovered.”
  • 1904: Curator of physical anthropology at the Smithsonian Institute Ales Hrdlicka publishes Broca’s “table chromatique” in the U.S
  • 1907: The Eugenics Education Society is founded in Britain
  • 1910: Zoologist Charles Davenport founds the Eugenics Record Office at the Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory with a grant from Mrs. E.H. Harriman
  • 1911: Franz Boas publishes The Mind of Primitive Man arguing for the role of environmental factors in the apparent differences between races.
  • 1912: The First International Conference of Eugenics is held in London, presided over by Charles Darwin’s son Leonard.
  • 1916: Madison Grant publishes The Passing of the Great Race, splitting Europe into three racial groups: Nordics, Alpines, and Mediterraneans
  • 1921: The Second International Congress of Eugenics is held at the American Museum of Natural History in New York City.
  • 1923: Carl Bringham publishes A Study of American Intelligence, which uses the IQ testing done by Robert Yerkes to support differences in intelligence between races.
  • 1932: The Third International Eugenics Conference is held at the American Museum of Natural History in New York City. ERO Director Charles B. Davenport presides.
  • 1935: The Carnegie Institution of Washington orders an external scientific review of the ERO, and finds its records “unsatisfactory for the scientific study of human genetics.”
  • 1937: The Pioneer Fund is founded by Wickliffe Draper to support racial research. ERO superintendent Harry Laughlin serves as its first president.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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4.2.7  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Ozzwald @4.2.5    5 days ago

Do you remember the complete title of Darwin’s most famous work: On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life. 

In his subsequent book The Descent of Man, he theorized that man, having evolved from apes, had continued evolving as various races, with some races more developed than others. Darwin classified the white race as more advanced than those “lower organisms” such as pygmies, and he other groups “savage,” “low,” and “degraded.”

Darwin wasn’t the first to propose biological arguments for racism, but his works fueled some of the most ugly racism.

The Bible, right or wrong,  says that God created mankind in His image. We are all descendants of Adam and Eve, one race, the human race.

Take your pseudo religious racism theories elsewhere or respond to the laundry list of references that I sent you.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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4.2.8  Ozzwald  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @4.2.6    5 days ago
Here are some science ones

Do you understand the difference between science and pseudo science?  Everything you posted has been disproven by actual science.  I notice that you started in 1759, with religion is starts with the bible, and even before with non-christian religions.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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4.2.9  Thrawn 31  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @4.2.6    5 days ago

They needed a way to justify slavery especially after black and native people started converting to Christianity, and then further to justify things like segregation. So they just made up “scientific” reasons, even though no actual science ever supported them. 

Of course even smart people can buy into bullshit like racism when they grow up with it all their lives. People will go to great lengths to protect the reality of their lives no matter how baseless it is.  Must be a comfort thing. 

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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4.2.10  Thrawn 31  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @4.2.7    5 days ago

Again, people will go to great lengths to protect their worldviews, even smart people will come up with bullshit reasons to justify the bigotry they have grown up with and has helped shape their reality. Everything you listed is now considered to be bullshit pseudoscience, which it is.

There was never anything scientific about it, even when "scientific studies" were conducted that ended up supporting ideas of race or racial superiority the data, such as it was, was always cherry picked and the entire thing is always a clear example of forcing the evidence to support a preordained conclusion. We now know, thanks to actual science being done, that race is a purely social construct and the only impact the MC1R gene has is on the color of your skin. Literally nothing else.

You listed examples of otherwise smart people only willing to go so far in questioning the world around them. 

 
 
 
JBB
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4.2.11  JBB  replied to  Thrawn 31 @4.2.10    5 days ago

original

 
 
 
Tessylo
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4.2.12  Tessylo  replied to  Ozzwald @4.2.1    4 days ago

A handy venue to justify a lot of hate and fear and ignorance

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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4.2.13  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Thrawn 31 @4.2.10    4 days ago
There was never anything scientific about it, even when "scientific studies" were conducted that ended up supporting ideas of race or racial superiority the data,

Yes, bad science.

You listed examples of otherwise smart people only willing to go so far in questioning the world around them.

2I'm still waiting to see Ozzwald's list of religious examples.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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4.2.14  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Ozzwald @4.2.8    4 days ago
with religion is starts with the bible, and even before with non-christian religions.

Let's see your list of examples.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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4.2.15  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JBB @4.2.11    4 days ago

Victims of our public school education?

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.2.16  Tessylo  replied to  Thrawn 31 @4.2.10    4 days ago

The usual dog whistles

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
4.2.17  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Thrawn 31 @4.2.9    4 days ago
They needed a way to justify slavery especially after black and native people started converting to Christianity, and then further to justify things like segregation. So they just made up “scientific” reasons, even though no actual science ever supported them. 

Those were mostly European examples.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
4.2.18  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Tessylo @4.2.16    4 days ago

Huh?

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
4.2.19  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Ozzwald @4.2.8    4 days ago

If you would like to learn something about this continuing problem, check out "Superior: The Return of Race Science" Hardcover – May 21, 2019 by Angela Saini  (Author)

She provides clear explanations of racist concepts while exploring the history of race science, from archaeology and anthropology to biology and genetics. She goes through technical papers, reports and books, and interviewing numerous scientists across various fields, sometimes asking uncomfortable questions about their research.

“Mainstream scientists, geneticists and medical researchers still invoke race and use these categories in their work, even though we have been told for 70 years that they have no biological meaning, that they have only social meaning,” Saini says.

Did you know that James Watson, co-discoverer of DNA’s double helix structure, frequently voiced racist beliefs, including that differences on tests of intelligence have a racial component, and that Indians are servile and that Chinese people have somehow become genetically conformist?

We always need to remain alert  to racial stereotypes, and it looks like you need to also be alert to religious stereotypes.

 
 
 
Kavika
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4.2.20  Kavika   replied to  Drinker of the Wry @4.2.14    4 days ago

The RCC as the provider of religious doctrine via their interpretation of the bible used the ''Doctrine of Discovery'' in the 14th century to allow ''Christians'' to right to subjugate, kill or enslave the indigenous people of the Americas. In1452, Pope Nicholas V issued the papal bullDum Diversas, which initiated the first set of documents that would compose the Doctrine of Discovery. The Papal Bull “Inter Caetera,” issued by Pope Alexander VI on May 4, 1493, played a central role in the Spanish conquest of the New World.

The Marshall Trilogy of SCOTUS decisions (Johnson v McIntosh) took it and ran with it using it to disposes the indigenous people of the US title/right to our land. 

The Doctrine of Discovery was never rescinded by the RCC although being requested by indigenous people on numerous occasions the latest being his recent visit to Canada.

The latest use of this was in 2006 in a case in NY, I believe. 

Those leaving their shithole countries in Europe sought among other things freedom of religion and being the fair minded bigots that they were they outlawed Native American religions. In wasn't until 1978 that the American Indian Religious Act gave us that freedom again. 

So the same old crap about Christianity and the bible is just that, IMO.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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4.2.21  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Kavika @4.2.20    4 days ago

Good example, you comment from the basis of knowledge while others here from a basis of bias, Of course this example is more a reflection of the RCC than the Bible.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
4.2.22  Kavika   replied to  Drinker of the Wry @4.2.21    4 days ago

It's knowledge and facts.

Of course this example is more a reflection of the RCC than the Bible.

The RCC lives by their interpretation of the bible so it's directly related. Over the decades the RCC and many other Christian religions followed the RCC lead case in point the ''Indian Boarding Schools'' of the US and the Residential Schools of Canada taught using the bible and Christianity while using abuse both physical and sexual among many other devastating methods of indoctrination. Remember the message was ''kill the Indian save the man''.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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4.2.23  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Kavika @4.2.22    4 days ago

Yes, their interpretation.

When I provided my long list of science references, several were quick to point out that that was scientists cherry picking information or pseudo science.  Ok, the same can be said about this example.

It was my original contention, and I’m not a Christian, so my interpretation may be wrong, but the Bible doesn’t assert the superiority of one race over others.  In Genesis, it says the we all come from the original creation, made in God’s image.  I think that Adam means humankind.  

To find information about racial categories, characteristics and superiority, you can go to history of European science starting in the Enlightenment.

Maybe Ozzwald will prove me wrong and cite more examples from religious books than I have of science.  I’ll wait.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
4.2.24  Kavika   replied to  Drinker of the Wry @4.2.23    4 days ago

I don't believe the Bible sights any specific examples but the interpretation by the RCC and many other Christian sects to validate their position is what is important.

To find information about racial categories, characteristics and superiority, you can go to history of European science starting in the Enlightenment.

The ''Doctrine of Discovery'' and the following papal bulls were 200 years before the Enlightenment in Europe.

 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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4.2.25  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Kavika @4.2.24    4 days ago

This thread started with the assertion that"

Orban has turned Hungary into an authoritarian, bigoted state.
I countered that Hungary, has long been a racist state and provided examples that included European science dating back to the Enlightenment.  

The ozz commented that he

always though that being a christian politician is a prerequisite to being a racist politician.  

Later he claimed that 

Religion has been used almost exclusively throughout history [for racist beliefs]

I disagree and think that European science is as much, probably more responsible and I provided a history of examples.  That doesn't mean that I don't recognize that some peoples religious interpretations seriously distorted and twisted the meaning of Christianity to the decrement of others.  

The Bible begins with the creation of humankind,  it doesn't start off with the creation of a special or privileged race of people.  Moses has inter-ethnic marriage, later he marries a Cushite woman, a Black African woman.  The Bible claims that God approves of this marriage, and rebukes those thjat opposed it.  

In the Book of Jeremiah, the prophet is imprisoned  and he is left to die in the cistern.  A Black African saves the prophet’s life. Ebed-Melech, this Black African, stands as a representative for  those being incorporated into the people of God by faith.  

The NT is even clearer, in the good Samaritan Jesus teaches that loving your neighbor as yourself means loving those in particular who are different than you ethnically. 

Paul’s theology is that we all come before God based on what Christ has done for us, we are all equal before him. “There is no Jew or Greek, slave or free, male or female; you are all one in Christ Jesus.” No notion of ethnic superiority as it would be  a denial of the theological reality of justification.  And not just equality, but unity.  “Here there is not Greek and Jew, circumcision and uncircumcision, barbarian, Scythian, slave and free; but Christ is all and in all.”

Again, scientists gave us information on the superiority of the white race over others, not the Bible.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
4.2.26  Kavika   replied to  Drinker of the Wry @4.2.25    4 days ago

Yes, I'm aware of all of that and I stated in the opening sentence of my last response that I don't believe that the Bible has any specific examples of it. 

I also pointed out that the Doctrine of Discovery and the papal bulls were two hundred years before the Enlightenment in Europe.

Again, scientists gave us information on the superiority of the white race over others, not the Bible.

Again, I'm pointing out that the RCC who at that time was the power in Europe practiced white/Christian superiority long before science in Europe did. As I stated earlier I don't believe that the bible expresses racism/superiority in its text but the followers/RCC of the bible certainly did.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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4.2.27  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Kavika @4.2.26    4 days ago

Yes you've given Oz one example of a flawed interpretation,  Let's see what he comes up with to back up his bias.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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4.2.28  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Kavika @4.2.26    4 days ago
Again, I'm pointing out that the RCC who at that time was the power in Europe practiced white/Christian superiority long before science in Europe did.

The English didn't need the Pope to tell them that they could trade with Africans and conquer or colonize vast areas of the world.   

 
 
 
Kavika
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4.2.29  Kavika   replied to  Drinker of the Wry @4.2.28    4 days ago

At the time period, it was the Italians, Spanish, Dutch, and Portuguese that were doing the deeds. 

Africa is part of the Doctrine of Discovery and the papal bulls. 

This is a perfect example of the ''missionary effect'' on native peoples. This was published on the Lakota reservation in South Dakota just a few months ago. Not only insulting to the Lakota people and their culture but IMO damn racist in its content. 

Hate_Materials_from_Jesus_is_king_Mission.jpeg

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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4.2.30  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Kavika @4.2.29    4 days ago

The term “race,” used infrequently before the 1500s, then it was was used to identify groups of people with a kinship or group connection, not skin color, or hair or facial features. The word “white” also had a different meaning, that has transformed over time. Before the mid-1600s, there is no historical evidence that Europeans referred to themselves as being “white people”. From about the 1550s to 1600, “white” was used to describe elite English women, because they did not go outside to labor. In 1600's when the English first encountered and contrasted themselves against people of color European colonists’ use of the word “white” to refer to people who looked like themselves.

It was during the Enlightenment that science began categorizing humans by “race,” and a new hierarchy was invented based on  the science, not religion, of the day.  

 
 
 
Kavika
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4.2.31  Kavika   replied to  Drinker of the Wry @4.2.30    4 days ago
It was during the Enlightenment that science began categorizing humans by “race,” and a new hierarchy was invented based on  the science, not religion, of the day.  

Interesting since the RCC often spoke in unflattering terms of NA's in the 15th and 16th centuries. They ignored and considered our culture, language, religion, and all aspects of our existence, not legitimate. Their only mission was to transform us into what they considered ''good Christians''. They considered themselves superior to all others that were not ''white''.

The history of Christians and Native peoples is fraught with racism and ignorance towards us.

Actually, the colonizers and later the US government didn't recognize us as people. Standing Bear in 1877 gave his famous speech, ''I am a Man''....

His words convinced Judge Elmer Scipio Dundy in federal court in Omaha, Nebraska to declare for the first time in the nation's history that Native Americans are "persons" under federal law.

Remember that all of this is based on the ''Doctrine of Discovery'' and the papal bulls. 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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4.2.32  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Kavika @4.2.31    4 days ago
Interesting since the RCC often spoke in unflattering terms of NA's in the 15th and 16th centuries.

The 15th Century was 1401-1500.  Columbus made three trips in the last decade of the century and never made the mainland. 

I thought that most Catholic missions here started in the 1600’s or the 17th Century with only a few prior to that.

 
 
 
Kavika
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4.2.33  Kavika   replied to  Drinker of the Wry @4.2.32    4 days ago
 Columbus made three trips in the last decade of the century and never made the mainland. 

The natives that Columbus met, slaughtered, and enslaved were Indians the Arawak, Carib, and the Taino. Franciscan missionaries accompanied Columbus on his second voyage 1493.

The Spanish had missions/missionaries in what is now the US in the 1500s. In La Florida in 1565 and Nuevo Mexico in 1598 and other spots on the Eastern seaboard in the 1570s. More were added in the 1600s and the final was the California missions in the 1700s. 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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4.2.34  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Ozzwald @4.2.8    2 days ago
religion is starts with the bible, and even before with non-christian religions.

Welcome back, hope you had a good weekend.  Have you found that list of racist example in the Bible yet?

 
 
 
Tessylo
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4.3  Tessylo  replied to  Ozzwald @4    4 days ago

All small c faux christians. [deleted]  Makes me think of #45.

 
 
 
bugsy
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4.3.1  bugsy  replied to  Tessylo @4.3    4 days ago

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Hallux
Junior Principal
5  Hallux    5 days ago

"During his speech, Orbán also attacked Jewish billionaire George Soros ..."

And like the good little clock he is, Tucker Carlson jumped onto his perch last night and cuckooed the same shyte with an extra constipated grimace for consumption.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
5.1  Tessylo  replied to  Hallux @5    4 days ago

Their scapegoat for all things - Soros and any one who advocates for all and not just the 'right' or should I say alt-rigjt

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
6  Kavika     5 days ago
Orbán Declares At CPAC "A Christian Politician Cannot Be Racist"

LOL, high comedy.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
7  seeder  JohnRussell    5 days ago
The far-right leader, who addressed the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) in Texas on Thursday, recently faced an international backlash over controversial remarks he made in late July, in which he said Hungarians "do not want to become peoples of mixed race." One former adviser, who has since resigned, referred to those comments as "a pure Nazi speech worthy of Goebbels." 

His own adviser resigned because of his racism, but at a U.S. conservative Republican meeting he is given a standing ovation. 

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
Professor Guide
7.1  Thrawn 31  replied to  JohnRussell @7    5 days ago

At this point Adolf Hitler would receive a standing ovation. Hell, they would probably move to condemn the US military for its unjustified aggression against Nazi Germany in the 1940s. 

American conservatism has gone completely off the deep end, it is now flat out a form of sadistic authoritarianism.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
8  Ender    4 days ago

Gay people should be second class citizens.....Yea! standing ovation.

Immigration should not be allowed to keep the country pure....Yea! Standing ovation.

republicans are becoming some sick puppies.

 
 

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