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Jim Jordan ignites fury against GOP lawmakers after complaining about student loan debt relief ​​

  
Via:  John Russell  •  4 years ago  •  44 comments

By:   Meaghan Ellis (MSN)

Jim Jordan ignites fury against GOP lawmakers after complaining about student loan debt relief ​​
Twitter users quickly fired back with opposing views as they recalled situations where former President Donald Trump and House Republicans failed to repay debts of their own. "Orange Clown leader sets the tone for his party, right?" Twitter user Megan Kelley Hall asked in a tweet that included a screenshot of a report about Trump's alleged failure to repay approximately $287 million in debt that was ultimately forgiven by multiple lenders.

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Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) appeared to be deeply displeased with President Joe Biden's decision to cancel a portion of student loan debt for millions of Americans, but his critical reactions soon backfired when Twitter users fired back at him.

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According to HuffPost, a Twitter account associated with the Ohio lawmaker urged Americans to repay their student loan debt.

The tweet read, "If you take out a loan, you pay it back. Period."

Twitter users quickly fired back with opposing views as they recalled situations where former President Donald Trump and House Republicans failed to repay debts of their own.

"Orange Clown leader sets the tone for his party, right?" Twitter user Megan Kelley Hall asked in a tweet that included a screenshot of a report about Trump's alleged failure to repay approximately $287 million in debt that was ultimately forgiven by multiple lenders.

The Lincoln Project also chimed in with highlights from a report that detailed similar actions by former House Speaker Newt Gingrich.

"Interesting," the anti-Trump political group tweeted. "No presidential campaign from any election cycle owes creditors more money than former GOP House Speaker Newt Gingrich."

On his personal Twitter account, Jordan also posed another question asking, "What about Americans who already paid off their student loans?"

Twitter users had responses for that question, as well. Contrary to what Jordan expected, some Twitter users, including his own peers, admitted that they were not upset about others receiving student loan relief.

"Hey there, we graduated from the same law school. Met at an Oversight hearing Brad Smith testified at a couple years ago," Dan Riffle tweeted. "I finished paying mine off shortly after that hearing. It was hard to carry that burden, and I'm glad to lighten the load for others.

He went on to offer a suggestion for Republican lawmakers tweeting, "It took me about 12 years to pay off about $70K in student loans, and I've spent almost exactly $70K in the last two years on daycare. I've had two kids and I'm done. Would have gone for at least 3, maybe 4 if not for those loans. They should pitch loan forgiveness as pro-life."

Another Twitter user also shared her perspective tweeting, "Thanks for asking. I'm good with helping students pay for college with taxpayer dollars."


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JohnRussell
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1  seeder  JohnRussell    4 years ago

Whether loan forgiveness is right or wrong, it is well ingrained in the American economy and American society. 

My mother used to often say when commenting on an issue with two sides, "it depends on whose ox is being gored".  I think that applies to this loan issue. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @1    4 years ago
"it depends on whose ox is being gored". 

In this case that would be the working poor.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.1.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1    4 years ago

I dont know if they were the working poor or not, but I've heard of hundreds of small business contractors that got screwed by a certain "billionaire" politician over the years.  

When he went "bankrupt" these contractors didnt get paid. 

Our economy has a lot of leeway for these types of arrangements. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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1.1.2  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.1    4 years ago

Trump is not the topic

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.1.3  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1.2    4 years ago

He is a sidebar to the topic, and mentioned in the article. But I do agree this story is not all about him. What I am trying to point out is that the American economy is rife with people who dont repay debts and often ultimately dont have to.  To act is if this student loan debt forgiveness is an unprecedented approach in our society is just wrong. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.4  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.1    4 years ago
I dont know if they were the working poor or not

How much do you want to know?  

Who should pay off their student loans?

Who is best equipped to pay them off?  The one who took the loan and got a Bachelor's Degree or somebody out working with a High School diploma?

I suppose it's hard to answer those questions if one supports a government that destroyed small businesses, closed schools, made the American dollar almost worthless, raised fuel prices, opened the southern border and now wants working people to pay off the debts of college grads making over $120,000 a year.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.1.7  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.4    4 years ago

As I'm sure you are aware, many people without college degrees are among the poorest working people in this country, although many of those without degrees make a good living as union tradespeople. 

Your insistence that the poor will mainly be "paying" for this loan forgiveness is a little strange. Poor people dont pay much in taxes, nor should they.  

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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1.1.9  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.3    4 years ago
What I am trying to point out is that the American economy is rife with people who dont repay debts and often ultimately dont have to

Exactly.  The federal government repays it's $25 trillion debt by borrowing more than it pays each year.  This Biden plan just adds $300 billion to trillion dollars that we will borrow this year.

To act is if this student loan debt forgiveness is an unprecedented approach in our society is just wrong.

Who has said that it was unprecedented?  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.10  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.7    4 years ago
As I'm sure you are aware, many people without college degrees are among the poorest working people in this country, although many of those without degrees make a good living as union tradespeople. 

John, I'm old enough to remember when anybody who worked hard could make a living wage. Those days are gone.



Your insistence that the poor will mainly be "paying" for this loan forgiveness is a little strange.

I doubt you are that oblivious.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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1.1.11  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Tessylo @1.1.6    4 years ago

Didn't you already send this to Vic yesterday?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.12  Vic Eldred  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @1.1.11    4 years ago

Let's see if it works any better today.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.1.13  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @1.1.11    4 years ago

Enough with the no value personal comments. I didnt see it yesterday and this is my group so it can stay , without any further complaints from you. 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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1.1.15  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.13    4 years ago
Enough with the no value personal comments.

Ok, here is a comment of value from former Treasury Secretary Larry Summers .

"Student loan debt relief is spending that raises demand and increases inflation. It consumes resources that could be better used helping those who did not, for whatever reason, have the chance to attend college. "It will also tend to be inflationary by raising tuitions."
 
 
 
pat wilson
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1.1.16  pat wilson  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.4    4 years ago

The working poor pay very little if any in taxes. They're not paying off any student loan debts.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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1.1.18  Sean Treacy  replied to  pat wilson @1.1.16    4 years ago

 poor pay very little if any in taxes. They're not paying off any student loan debts

Gasoline taxes, employment taxes, income taxes etc.. The working poor pay plenty of taxes and the outlays to pay for this don't come from an imaginary box called wealthy people's income tax.  It all goes into one big pot. 

 
 
 
squiggy
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1.1.19  squiggy  replied to  Tessylo @1.1.5    4 years ago

The fat kid took the skinny kid's ice cream cone because he wanted it. The skinny kid spent more money out of his pocket to buy another ice cream cone.

 
 
 
pat wilson
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1.1.20  pat wilson  replied to  Sean Treacy @1.1.18    4 years ago
Gasoline taxes, employment taxes, income taxes etc.

The working poor pay little in income taxes. Aren't employment taxes the same as income taxes ?  Obviously they pay gasoline taxes but gasoline taxes don't pay for student loans.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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1.2  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @1    4 years ago
it is well ingrained in the American economy and American society. 

When has a President unilaterally canceled the private, legal  debts of citizens? 

 
 
 
Snuffy
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1.2.1  Snuffy  replied to  Sean Treacy @1.2    4 years ago

But it's damn good partisan politics.  Taking this action a few months before an election is good politics to pander to a group of potential voters.  And it's far enough before the election that when law suits come up to stop this action he can claim that the Republicans don't care about helping out the poor college students,  another win for partisan politics.  

 
 
 
GregTx
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1.2.2  GregTx  replied to  Snuffy @1.2.1    4 years ago

A group of potential voters who increasingly disapproves of Biden. It's pandering at a level that's a little mind blowing. 

 
 
 
pat wilson
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1.2.3  pat wilson  replied to  Sean Treacy @1.2    4 years ago

Lots of government bailouts, corporations are people too, lol.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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2  Greg Jones    4 years ago

It's intended purpose, pandering for votes, is not likely to succeed.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3  seeder  JohnRussell    4 years ago
"Interesting," the anti-Trump political group tweeted. "No presidential campaign from any election cycle owes creditors more money than former GOP House Speaker Newt Gingrich."

I'm sure Mr. Gingrich has a good explanation for that. jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4  seeder  JohnRussell    4 years ago

They say this loan program will cost 500 billion dollars over ten years. How about we pay for it by lopping 50 billion off the defense budget every year? 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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4.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @4    4 years ago
They say this loan program will cost 500 billion dollars over ten years.

And exactly where is this $500 billion going to come from?  Remember this is the same "they" who told you inflation is "transitory", "temporary" and "Putin's fault".  

How about we pay for it by lopping 50 billion off the defense budget every year? 

How about we start lopping $50 billion off Special Interest projects, Congressional salaries and benefits.  

 
 
 
GregTx
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4.1.1  GregTx  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.1    4 years ago

Haven't you heard? They lowered the deficit by 1.7 trillion so this just goes on the credit card so to speak. Of course that kinda wipes out the claim of the Inflation Explosion Act reducing any of the deficit.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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4.1.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  GregTx @4.1.1    4 years ago

Only an idiot would believe they lowered the deficit by 1.7 trillion and the Inflation Explosion Act reducing any of the deficit.

 
 
 
GregTx
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4.1.3  GregTx  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.1.2    4 years ago

Exactly...

 
 
 
charger 383
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5  charger 383    4 years ago

If the education, they got did not improve their situation enough to pay what they borrowed and live better all around then the taxpayers should not have to pay for their failure 

 
 
 
Snuffy
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6  Snuffy    4 years ago

This is a typical Washington fix that panders to a group of potential voters to gain their support while not resolving the underlying problem.  

How much more will colleges raise tuition rates and how many more future college students will take out additional loans, all in the hopes of a future federal bailout?

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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7  Drinker of the Wry    4 years ago
pay for it by lopping 50 billion off the defense budget every year? 

Lop off?  The Dem controlled Congress passed the 2023 NDAA and added $37 billion more than Biden asked for.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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8  Right Down the Center    4 years ago

256

 
 
 
SteevieGee
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8.1  SteevieGee  replied to  Right Down the Center @8    4 years ago
"I don't make the rules."

Nor will you win in foreclosure.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
9  Sean Treacy    4 years ago

While Alternet (the home of alternet reality) claims there's a backlash against Republicans for criticizing the unprecedented, illegal decision to transfer the debts of professionals to other taxpayers,  in the real world Democrats facing voters are

attacking the bribe attempt.

Tim Ryan, the Democrats' Ohio Senate nominee,  released a critical statement : "Waiving debt for those already on a trajectory to financial security sends the wrong message to millions of Ohioans without a degree working just as hard to make ends meet."

Nevada Sen. Catherine Cortez Masto, one of the most vulnerable Democratic senators up for re-election this year, told Axios: "I don't agree with today's executive action because it doesn't address the root problems that make college unaffordable."

New Hampshire Rep. Chris Pappas, running in a swing district that Biden carried by six points,   said in a statement : "This announcement by President Biden is no way to make policy and sidesteps Congress and our oversight and fiscal responsibilities. Any plan to address student debt should go through the legislative process, and it should be more targeted and paid for so it doesn't add to the deficit."

But congrats to Joe Biden, working to make college more expensive by an illegal giveaway to his base. 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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9.1  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Sean Treacy @9    4 years ago
But congrats to Joe Biden, working to make college more expensive by an illegal giveaway to his base.

This should make it easier for schools to raise tuition costs again.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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10  Right Down the Center    4 years ago

I always find headlines amusing.

" ignites fury" translates into a couple dozen Twitter users that spend the day on line complaining about something because they are ignored in the real world.

 
 

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