Elon Musk peace plan blasted
By: John Bacon (USA TODAY)
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John BaconUSA TODAY
Ukraine leaders and supporters were seething on social media Tuesday after Tesla CEO Elon Musk tweeted his proposed peace plan that includes Ukraine giving up its efforts to regain control of Crimea.
Russian activist and former world chess champion Gary Kasparov dismissed Musk's plans as "moral idiocy, repetition of Kremlin propaganda, a betrayal of Ukrainian courage & sacrifice." The response from Ukraine's parliament was one word: "No." Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov, however, credited Musky with trying to find a peaceful solution.
Under Musk's proposal, Crimea would formally become part of Russia and Ukraine must remain neutral, suggesting that efforts to join NATO would be shelved. Musk also calls for new voting in the areas where Russia's sham referendums held last month resulted in Russian annexing four Ukraine regions. Musk says the votes would be held under U.N. supervision.
He attached a poll, and more than 2.5 million voters rejected his plan by about 60% to 40%. Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelenskyy countered with his own poll, asking Twitter users if they preferred Musk supporting Russia or Ukraine. About 80% of over 2 million voters selected Ukraine.
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Russian leaders approve annexations, transition period until 2026
Russia's Federation Council - the upper house of parliament - unanimously approved four federal constitutional laws rubber-stamping the annexation of the self-proclaimed Donetsk and Lugansk "republics" in the hotly contested Donbas area of Ukraine, as well as the Kherson and Zaporizhzhia regions. The lower house already signed off and Russian President Vladimir Putin is expected to quickly close the deal. Residents are recognized as Russian citizens under the laws but have a month to reject that citizenship. The annexation includes a transition period until 2026 for integration into "the economic, financial, credit and legal systems."
Ukraine, the U.S. and its allies have refused to recognize the annexations.
Contributing: The Associated Press
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How dare Musk voice his opinion on how to stop a proxy war that might result in a nuclear exchange! What unmitigated gall!
Doesn't he know that there is billions in US tax payer dollars, aide, and weapons still to be sent to Ukraine! Our government will not stop sending money until Russia is defeated and Putin removed from power! Err, correction, until US border integrity is restored! Sorry, bad mistake, make that Ukraine's borders are restored!
Just think of the weapons contracts to replace everything already given away; and those yet to be given! And the political kickbacks. Oh the kickbacks will be epic!
Then there will be the rebuilding of Ukraine! Just think about the amount of US tax dollars that will be saved if the war ended prematurely! It is unfathomable! Ukraine must be so severely broken that it will take decades to rebuild! US politicians' children, their friends, and the well connected are counting on that money to keep their families rich! Corruption is a way of life in Ukraine; time to let them get back to doing what they do best.
So get your inner fascist on! The worst that can happen is the end of the world. There is an Azov bumper sticker in it for you.
It's always quite easy to make suggestions when you are safe in your cocoon. It's easy when it isn't your country or your friends and family being butchered.
Doesn’t this idiot have enough things to do that are pertinent to his own issues? Ever since Elon called the guy trying to save kids trapped in a cave a pedophile he has slid further and further into incoherence. Get some sleep, dumbass.
His StarNet is very coherent bringing high speed internet access to previously unserviced areas. Ukraine has been counting on it to continue working in the face of Russia's electronic warfare.
Well, he also named his child “X Æ A-12”. Do you really think he should be giving advice on global politics?
He can tweet about anything that he wants, world leaders certainly aren't obligated to follow his recommendations. I don't understand his son's name anymore than I understood Fran Zappa's sons' name, but I liked Frank's music.
Not on this planet.
Anyone that thinks the planet is not populated enough and he is doing his job by having 12 kids is an idiot.
I don't care what anyone says, he is a fruitcake.
He's got 12 kids? No wonder he called one of them X/E A-12...he ran out of names
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Oh. that's better....
He should just stick with building cars nobody wants and let the experts handle peace making
Explody cars....
Well, at least it’s a plan.
It appears NATO’s plan is to let this this conflict press on until someone finally pops a nuc and we all end up getting fried.
But at least those self righteous ideals will be intact when we all cook or rot ...
So your position is that the world should cower in fear to the nuclear saber rattlings of a murderous dictator? Not surprising from a Trumpster. I suppose your reaction to Trump asking “why have nukes if we can’t even use them?” was something along the lines of “… yeah, good question.”
What happened to the patriots of the conservative bent who said "Better dead than Red"?
Now they all want to get their freak on with Putin
Wrong. My position is diplomacy. And it really needs to come from the countries in Europe who enabled Putin in the first pace by making him rich and powerful by buying his energy/resources. Stomping their feet at Russia and saying don’t to that is worthless in that regard.
Your sophomoric labels are a useless waste of time.
I suppose you would be wrong. Again .....
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Isn't he suppose to be launching fake people or something...
That will be good for the workforce...
I saw that. His "AI" looks a lot like the robot from "I, Robot"
Yes, if you count StarNet satellites as something, as he has launched over 2,000 of them.
So.... USA Today writes a story about a tweet, and then the haters crawl out of the slime to spew 1000 varieties of shit.
Elon is re-defining what it means to be a big shot.
Who the fuck cares..besides you?
We may be taking pot shots at Elon Musk but here you come acting all schoolmarmish and scolding everyone
Clearly you do. I'm not sure why, but obviously the man irritates you to the point where you say stupid shit and then get really pissed off when anybody dares challenge it.
He sells over 100,000 cars/mo, BTW.
Why would you be taking pot shots at him? What's he ever done to you? Have you ever even met him?
Do you hate him because he's rich, because he's not a liberal, because he's influential enough that national media outlets cover his tweets, or is there something else?
Come on. You are going to act like people that put themselves in the spotlight cannot have anyone say anything to them....
Maybe her hate of a conservatives is much stronger that her support of EV's and solar power.
No way, what do you think is the current balance between the good and bad Musk has done to the planet?
I see no hate here, only people defending someone that is a fruitcake.
For no other reason than they say conservative talking points.
What? I don't give a shit what you think he has done.
He is not the only electric car maker around. Nor the only provider of solar panels, etc...
I said nothing of the sort.
Talk all you want. But understand that it says much more about you than it does about him.
BTW, how many kids is too many? 2? 4? 8? Is there some committee that decides? Does whether or not you can afford to take care of them factor in?
So.... "fruitcake" has become a term of endearment? Is that a Millennial thing? Gen Z? I can't keep up.
Seriously, do you hear yourself?
Well I guess we've discovered why you hate him.
Funny as I don't see hate anywhere other than your imagination.
I guess I should look up your past comments on people, see how you come off...
So you are only here to complain about others?
I don't think you believe that any more than I do.
Show me where is my hate then?
You're calling him a "fruitcake" (repeatedly) because you supposedly disapprove of how many kids he has...
I suspect that if we were talking about a single mother with 12 kids by 12 different men and I called her a "fruitcake" because of it, you'd break your keyboard accusing me of every vile character flaw you could imagine.
I didn’t stutter.
No shit.
Exactly, no different than you.
I would call anyone with that many children that.
Seems you like to project on to others.
Also rarely say anything...
At least I don't troll.
What did you think of China's attempt with abortion to control their population?
I bet if he were a rich liberal you'd have some things to say. Do you have a problem with people speaking their minds? And you are acting like the hall monitor [deleted]
Name the wager. Before you accept, you probably want to find a citation of me criticizing a liberal for no other reason than being rich. Good luck with that.
But you're not speaking your "mind", are you? You're just taking emotional "pot shots".
You also clearly detest Elon for no real reason other than he sees the world differently than you do, so I'll consider myself in reasonably good company.
fuck off
The hate is real and overwhelms the pioneering work in the manufacturing of electric automobiles, solar panels, and batteries for cars and home power storage.
They think they're cute!
The fact is that this guy is doing more to improve our world than any other single person on the planet.
What a complete bastard.
Funny that the right wing is now for these things?
If that is the case he should just keep doing that and stop acting like the world hangs on his every tweet. He is an out of control narcissist and a libertarian style right winger, and I dont like him. Let him do all his good on a lower profile.
Conservatives have never been against them. We are only for realistic implementation of electric vs fossil fuels. It’s not a switch flip.
Something many on the left are totally clueless about.
Totally clueless. Meanwhile lead greenies fly around in their private CO2 generators every week.
The fact that one of his tweets is the subject of a story in USA Today is pretty decent evidence that the Twitter world actually does. Unless you're suggesting he paid them to cover it.
At least you're partially honest about it, even if your assessment of his views is highly questionable.
Exactly. Non-liberals should just shut up and get back to work so they can pay for everybody else's stuff.
I don't think they are. But they tend to be as bad at science as the left wing is at math, so I don't really care.
Hahaha
I will await your pic of your new EV....
I have a feeling that Musk's idea that Ukraine should give up Crimea is a run of the mill idea in conservative circles. At least what conservatives are these days.
So why should anyone care that yet another conservative has this opinion? Musk has no claim on expertise about diplomacy or peace making, he's just talking, like millions of other people do on social media.
Orrrrr....... It's just Elon talking random shit on Twitter, which he's famous for doing.
Yes. Exactly.
I think it's fascinating that this isn't everybody's first thought. WTF does Elon possibly know about diplomacy? Why would his ideas have any more weight than anybody else's?
This thread is incredibly! A libertarian who has done more tangible good for humanity than anyone needs to shut-up because we don’t like what he says.
Meanwhile they hang on to every utterances of idiots like Colbert and Joyless Behar. Talk about a fucked up compass.
I have a feeling that in 2009, the Obama administration “reset” our relations with Russia and Hillary famously presented her Russian counterpart, Sergei Lavrov, with “reset” button. Three years later, Romney, called Russia the US's Number 1 geopolitical foe and was roundly mocked by Obama.
Two years later, Russia invaded Crimea and Obama saw Ukraine as a core Russian interest, not an American one and did little.
Exhibit A
Lol .... I’ll put my net lifetime carbon footprint up against yours any day.
Any day
Colbert is an asshat.
Complete, 100% asshat.