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Bad news for Biden in new Yahoo News/YouGov poll

  
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Bad news for Biden in new Yahoo News/YouGov poll
Meanwhile, Trump appears to be gaining momentum despite the 91 criminal charges lodged against him since the start of 2023

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Bad news for Biden in new Yahoo News/YouGov poll


Andrew Romano 7-8 minutes   9/19/2023





In   last month’s Yahoo News/YouGov poll , President Biden led former President Donald Trump by a solid margin (47% to 41%) in a hypothetical Election Day matchup between the 2024 Democratic and Republican frontrunners.

Before that, Biden had led Trump in every Yahoo News/YouGov poll since February, and in 10 of the 11 Yahoo News/YouGov polls conducted this year.

But over the last few weeks of summer, Biden’s consistent advantage has evaporated amid growing concerns about his age and fitness for another term — as well as a long-shot impeachment push by House Republicans.

Meanwhile, Trump appears to be gaining momentum   despite the 91 criminal charges lodged against him since the start of 2023 .

Trump and Biden are suddenly tied


According to   the latest Yahoo News/YouGov survey   of 1,636 U.S. adults, which was in the field from Sept. 14 to 18,   Biden and Trump would now tie at 44% apiece among registered voters if the 2024 election were held today.   Another 7% remain undecided, while 4% say they would not vote.



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A lot can (and will) change between now and November 2024. That said, polls are snapshots of current public opinion, and the fact that the incumbent president has suddenly lost his edge over a rival he defeated by 4.5 percentage points in 2020 — and who now faces four separate criminal trials — is one of several warning signs for Biden in the new Yahoo News/YouGov survey:

  • Approval rating:   After more than a year of job approval numbers at or just over 40%,   Biden’s rating has slipped to 38% approve, 56% disapprove . That’s a significant decline from percentages that peaked at 43% and 44% in April and May, and the worst result for the president since his previous low of 35% approve, 56% disapprove in August 2022.

  • The economy:   Despite   improving data   — the job market is roaring; GDP is growing; overall inflation trending downward; a much-predicted recession hasn’t materialized — just   34% of Americans approve of how Biden is handling the economy.   Less than a quarter (23%) describe the current state of the U.S. economy as excellent or good (down a point from 24% in July), while   75% describe it as fair or poor (up from 71%) . And only 16% say the economy is getting better (down from 18%), while   56% say it is getting worse (up from 54%).

  • ‘Fitness’ for the presidency:   A larger number of Americans now consider   Trump “fit to serve another term as president” (39%) than say the same about Biden (27%) . Trump’s fitness number is up 5 points (from 34%) since August.

  • Age:   When it comes to fitness for office, more Americans see Biden’s age — he is 80 now and would be 86 at the end of a second term — as a problem   (52% say it is a big problem, and 77% a small or big problem)   than see Trump’s criminal charges as a problem (47% big problem, 64% small or big problem).

  • ‘Corruption’:   Finally, in the wake of   the indictment of Biden’s son Hunter on a gun charge   — and House Republicans’   decision to launch an impeachment inquiry into the president   — the gap between Trump and Biden on the issue of corruption seems to be shrinking.   Nearly half of Americans (47%) now think Biden and his family are corrupt,   up from 45% in August and 42% in October 2022. Asked last month which family was “more corrupt,” 46% said the Trumps and 36% said the Bidens. Those numbers   are now closer: 41% and 38%, respectively.



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Understanding why the numbers changed


To be fair, Biden is still doing well with his own party. His current 79% approval rating among Democrats is on the lower end of a 79% to 81% range registered on recent surveys, though slightly better than his range among Democrats (75% to 79%) during the first quarter of 2023. A full 53% of potential Democratic primary voters — that is, registered voters who identify as Democrats or Democratic-leaning independents — prefer the president over “someone else” (35%) as the nominee. (Last month, 50% preferred Biden.) And nearly all Democrats continue to support Biden (90%) over Trump (3%).

Instead, the biggest shifts — for both Biden and Trump — have come among Republicans. Here, Biden’s approval rating has cratered in recent months, falling from 18% in April to 16% in May, 11% in June, 8% in July, 7% in August and just 4% on the current survey. At the same time, Trump’s 2024 general-election support among Republican voters (91%) is higher than ever, up from 84% just last month.

Such numbers suggest that the growing sense of Trump as the GOP’s inevitable 2024 nominee may be causing previously wary Republicans to set aside their concerns and coalesce around him.



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Indeed, Trump has never looked stronger among potential GOP primary voters. Better than   six in 10 (61%) now prefer Trump over “someone else” (29%) for the nomination , up seven points from August (54%) and 11 points from his previous 2023 average (50%). When pitted against nine other declared Republican candidates,   Trump now earns 59% of the primary vote, an increase of 13 points from his 2023 average (46%).

Head-to-head against Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (22%), Trump is performing even better, with a full 65% of the vote. Meanwhile,   DeSantis earns just 13%   against the full GOP primary field — 46 points behind Trump. Entrepreneur Vivek Ramaswamy and former United Nations Ambassador Nikki Haley receive a mere 5% each.

One way Trump could still stumble


When it comes to the broader electorate, Trump is hardly out of the woods. Most Americans believe the former president should be found guilty on at least some criminal charges (54%); even more say he should not be allowed to serve another term if convicted of a serious crime (58%).

Yet while independents, who tend to swing elections one way or the other, tend to agree with these views — 49% say the former and 54% say the latter — they also prefer Trump (45%) over Biden (36%) on the hypothetical 2024 ballot.

That’s a 9-point lead for Trump among independents. Last month, Trump led Biden by five (42% to 37%).



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JohnRussell
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1  seeder  JohnRussell    3 years ago
  • ‘Fitness’ for the presidency:      A larger number of Americans now consider      Trump “fit to serve another term as president” (39%) than say the same about Biden (27%)   . Trump’s fitness number is up 5 points (from 34%) since August.

  • ‘Corruption’:       Finally, in the wake of       the indictment of Biden’s son Hunter on a gun charge       — and House Republicans’       decision to launch an impeachment inquiry into the president       — the gap between Trump and Biden on the issue of corruption seems to be shrinking.       Nearly half of Americans (47%) now think Biden and his family are corrupt,       up from 45% in August and 42% in October 2022. Asked last month which family was “more corrupt,” 46% said the Trumps and 36% said the Bidens. Those numbers       are now closer: 41% and 38%, respectively.

We live in a degraded, apathetic, largely stupid nation. I dont say that with joy, but as a result of seeing polls like this. 

Normally I would say a convicted felon could not win , but because so many MAGA and other confused people say they will vote for Trump even if he is convicted, and for that matter even if he is in prison, we have to say it is no longer far fetched to think Trump could win. 

Does America care? 

 
 
 
arkpdx
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1.2  arkpdx  replied to  JohnRussell @1    3 years ago
Normally I would say a convicted felon could not win ,

Do tell! Who is the convicted felon that is even running? I for the life of me can not think of one. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
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1.2.1  TᵢG  replied to  arkpdx @1.2    3 years ago

Slimy cherry-picking from a single sentence.

JR did not say Trump is a convicted felon, he stated that he thinks many will vote for Trump "even if he is convicted":

Normally I would say a convicted felon could not win , but because so many MAGA and other confused people say they will vote for Trump even if he is convicted,  ...

Would you vote for Trump even if he is convicted?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.2.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  TᵢG @1.2.1    3 years ago
JR did not say Trump is a convicted felon, he stated that he thinks many will vote for Trump "even if he is convicted":

Thats not fair, you are trying to trick them  by pointing out the use of the English language. 

 
 
 
arkpdx
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1.2.3  arkpdx  replied to  TᵢG @1.2.1    3 years ago
Would you vote for Trump even if he is convicted

If Biden is the democrat nominee, yes. If it is any other democrat remains to be seen

 
 
 
TᵢG
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1.2.4  TᵢG  replied to  arkpdx @1.2.3    3 years ago

Do you think you are an unusual voter among the GOP?  Will most GOP members, in your opinion, act like you and vote for a convicted felon for PotUS?

 
 
 
arkpdx
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1.2.5  arkpdx  replied to  TᵢG @1.2.4    3 years ago

Did I accidentally write by response in Egyptian hyrorliphics? 

 
 
 
TᵢG
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1.2.6  TᵢG  replied to  arkpdx @1.2.5    3 years ago

Deflection from direct questions.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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1.3  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @1    3 years ago
We live in a degraded, apathetic, largely stupid nation. I dont say that with joy, but as a result of seeing polls like this. 

Our parents and educators have failed to develop an open minded and informed set of boomer replacements.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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1.4  Nerm_L  replied to  JohnRussell @1    3 years ago
We live in a degraded, apathetic, largely stupid nation. I dont say that with joy, but as a result of seeing polls like this. 

Normally I would say a convicted felon could not win , but because so many MAGA and other confused people say they will vote for Trump even if he is convicted, and for that matter even if he is in prison, we have to say it is no longer far fetched to think Trump could win. 

Does America care? 

Yeah, we know all about degraded times.  When Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, Ted Cruz, and Donald Trump are the best the two parties can muster for President then it's rather obvious the United States is in serious decline.

Just because Clinton, Biden, and Trump have not been convicted doesn't mean they're not felons.  Remember we live in degraded times where the courts are an extension of politics?  You've said it yourself.

If Biden is on the ballot for reelection then Trump must also be on the ballot for reelection.  Liar against liar.  Crook against crook.  Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth.  It's the new, improved civil rights of retribution that has degraded the times in which we live.  That's how equity works.  That's the modern expectation for justice.  You wanted civil rights in drag, you've got it.  Too late to complain about it now.     

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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2  Greg Jones    3 years ago

As I write this Trump has not been convicted in a Court of Law of any felonies. 

Most Republicans are not full-fledged MAGA zealots. Biden ran on the promise of being a moderate who could bring the people together. There was a lot of the electorate who were Trump weary and tired of the tweets and never ending BS.

He immediately succumbed to the wishes of the radical far left wing of the party and has promoted their agenda from day one. Now the voters of all political stripes are turning away from the Democrats, who seem to be too stupid to realize that this corrupt combo of Joe and Kamala can't win reelection.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Greg Jones @2    3 years ago

Donald Trump is, easily, the most corrupt person to ever run for president in the lifetimes of anyone living today. Its not even close. He is doing well in the polls because he is a cult leader. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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2.1.2  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1    3 years ago

Whatever you say.

Trump is doing well because the good people of America are becoming fed up with all that Biden represents.

Would you agree that the Biden family is corrupt, and his presidency is a threat to our democracy?

 
 
 
TᵢG
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2.1.4  TᵢG  replied to  Greg Jones @2.1.2    3 years ago
Trump is doing well because the good people of America are becoming fed up with all that Biden represents.

Too bad the electorate, under your hypothesis, runs to Trump as the alternative rather than someone like Haley who would help restore integrity to the GOP.   Why is that, Greg?   There are several R candidates yet Trump is leading the pack by multiple double digits.    

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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2.1.5  Trout Giggles  replied to  TᵢG @2.1.4    3 years ago
uns to Trump as the alternative rather than someone like Haley who would help restore integrity to the GOP.   Why is that, Greg?

Because she's a girl!!!

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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2.1.6  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Trout Giggles @2.1.5    3 years ago

I'll vote for her in a heartbeat.................

 
 
 
TᵢG
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2.1.7  TᵢG  replied to  Trout Giggles @2.1.5    3 years ago

Possibly.

It is a sad enigma that the GOP has such strong support for Trump when there are decent, competent, experienced candidates available.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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2.1.8  TᵢG  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.1.6    3 years ago

Why are you in such a tiny minority?   WTF is wrong with the balance of GOP voters?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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2.1.9  Trout Giggles  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.1.6    3 years ago

You're one. I think I would vote for her over Biden so that makes 2

 
 
 
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2.1.10  Jack_TX  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1    3 years ago
Donald Trump is, easily, the most corrupt person to ever run for president in the lifetimes of anyone living today. Its not even close.

Correction, he is the most publicly corrupt.  Your knickers are in an eternal twist because there is a 24/7/365 news feed telling you everything Trump does every ten minutes and repeating it all day.

LBJ and Nixon didn't have to deal with that and HRC was smart enough to keep most of hers clandestine.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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2.2  Jack_TX  replied to  Greg Jones @2    3 years ago
Biden ran on the promise of being a moderate who could bring the people together. There was a lot of the electorate who were Trump weary and tired of the tweets and never ending BS.

Absolutely.  100%

He immediately succumbed to the wishes of the radical far left wing of the party and has promoted their agenda from day one.

Also absolutely.  100%.

Now the voters of all political stripes are turning away from the Democrats, who seem to be too stupid to realize that this corrupt combo of Joe and Kamala can't win reelection.

I don't think corruption has much to do with it.  The man is senile. He very obviously has declined dramatically in the very short time since his election.  

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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3  Sean Treacy    3 years ago

The polling shows just how disconnected from reality the Biden faithful are. They need Biden to be fit for office, therefore he is, regardless of what their own eyes tell them.  There's no gaffe, no lie, no breakdown that will cause (outside of agreeing with Republicans) that will cause the the Democratic base to say "Biden is too old to be President." If he said, "late term abortion should be illegal unless the mother's life is in danger" or "we need to clamp down on illegal immigration, all bets are off. "  Everyone else in the country sees Biden's lie, and be treated like a toddler by his staff understands he has no business being President. They pay attention to reality.  Same with his corruption. No one gets millions from foreign oligarchs put in off shore bank accounts  for no reason. Joe Sixpack understands that.  But the Biden faithful pretends its fine and dandy.

Trump is a terrible candidate. He was in 2016 when the Democrats engaged in the exact same behavior around Hillary Clinton. They get so caught up in denying reality and defending their party they nominate the easiest candidate, and possibly the only one,  Trump can  beat. History may well repeat itself.   Trump's polling better against Biden now than he ever has.  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @3    3 years ago
Trump is a terrible candidate.

He's not a terrible candidate, he is a traitor.  So will be people who vote for him. 

There is far far far more push for Biden to leave the race than there is for Trump to leave. Why the hell would that be? 

MAGA. is the answer to that question, and it is a sick one. 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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3.1.1  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1    3 years ago
There is far far far more push for Biden to leave the race than there is for Trump to leave. Why the hell would that be? 

Dems are less loyal and more fearful?

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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3.1.3  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1    3 years ago
here is far far far more push for Biden to leave the race than there is for Trump to leave.

How many legitimate candidates are contesting the Republican primary against Trump? How many Democrats are  opposing Biden?

 
 
 
arkpdx
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3.1.4  arkpdx  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1    3 years ago
There is far far far more push for Biden to leave the race than there is for Trump to leave. Why the hell would that be? 

Because even the Democrats and progressives and liberals see just how incompetent he is and just how corrupt both he and the rest of his family are. They are even starting to realize just how dangerous Biden is to our country. 

 
 
 
arkpdx
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3.1.5  arkpdx  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1    3 years ago

How can he be a traitor? He has not been charged or indicted for treason. Just because you don't like him and want to call h a traitor does not make him one

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.6  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  arkpdx @3.1.5    3 years ago

Here's a quarter. Go buy yourself a clue.

LmpwZw

 
 
 
arkpdx
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3.1.7  arkpdx  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.6    3 years ago

Just because you don't know what the legal definition of treason is according to the Constitution is and are completely ignore due process, don't blame me. 

 
 
 
arkpdx
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3.1.8  arkpdx  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.6    3 years ago

You keep the quarter. You obviously need it to come up with a better response. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.9  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  arkpdx @3.1.7    3 years ago

I didnt say a word about the legal definition of treason. 

 
 
 
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trai·tor
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  1. a person who betrays a friend, country, principle, etc.:
    "they see me as a traitor, a sellout to the enemy"
 
 
 
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Former Republican Representative Adam Kinzinger has no plans to vote for Donald Trump in 2024. In fact, even if Trump is not the nominee, he might not even vote Republican.

“ He would only vote for Donald Trump if the opponent is actual Satan,”  a spokesperson for Kinzinger told  The New Republic .

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Drinker of the Wry
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3.1.13  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.11    3 years ago
a person who betrays a friend, country, principle, etc.:
And what if one has nor friends, sense of country or principles?
 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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3.1.14  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.9    3 years ago

Exactly, what’s the law got to do with it.  

Oh-oh-oh, what's the law got to do, got to do with it?
What's the law, but a second-hand emotion?
What's the law got to do, got to do with it?
Who needs a lawyer when a law can be broken?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.15  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @3.1.14    3 years ago

You tell me. Traitor is not a legal term. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.17  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @3.1.14    3 years ago

Yesterday an interview of Trump was shown on NBC. The interviewer asked Trump, twice, what he was doing in the Oval Office dining room while the Capitol was being hit with a violent riot. 

Trump, twice, said "Im not going to tell you".

Instead of trying to outwit someone how about you admit he's a traitor. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
3.1.18  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.15    3 years ago
Traitor is not a legal term.

Yes it is. 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Senior Guide
3.1.19  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.15    3 years ago

Isn't a traitor someone guilty of treason?  Isn't treason a legal term?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.1.20  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @3.1.19    3 years ago

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
3.1.21  TᵢG  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.1.18    3 years ago

Treason is a crime.  'Traitor' is not a crime.

'Traitor' is a colloquial epithet.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Senior Guide
3.1.22  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.17    3 years ago

I've never voted for trump nor will I in the future.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
3.1.23  TᵢG  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @3.1.19    3 years ago

If someone is guilty of treason then they will be referred to as a traitor.   But it is treason that is the crime.

One can be deemed a traitor without being found guilty of treason just as someone can be deemed a liar without being found guilty of perjury, etc.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Senior Guide
3.1.24  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  TᵢG @3.1.23    3 years ago
One can be deemed a traitor without being found guilty of treason just as someone can be deemed a liar without being found guilty of perjury, etc.

Exactly deeming someone requires little.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
3.1.25  TᵢG  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @3.1.24    3 years ago

I trust that 'exactly' in this case is not sarcasm.

 
 
 
arkpdx
Professor Quiet
3.1.26  arkpdx  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.15    3 years ago

There is a very specific listing in the. Constitution that defines what is treason. I suggest you look it up. While you are at it look up the meaning of due process. You obviously don't know the meaning of that either 

 
 
 
arkpdx
Professor Quiet
3.1.27  arkpdx  replied to  TᵢG @3.1.23    3 years ago
One can be deemed a traitor without being found guilty of treason just as someone can be deemed a liar without being found guilty of perjury, etc. 

So then by you standards, Bill Clinton is a sexual predator and a serial rapist and Biden, among other things, is pedophile. 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Senior Guide
3.1.28  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  TᵢG @3.1.25    3 years ago

Sarcasm, moi?

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
3.1.29  TᵢG  replied to  arkpdx @3.1.27    3 years ago

Non sequitur.   You are dead wrong about the meaning of the word 'traitor' and instead of learning something new, you generate a ridiculous "by your standards" quip.

Look it up arkpdx; do a little research.   Attempt to find the crime of 'traitor'.   The crime is treason, not 'traitor'.   The word 'traitor' is a colloquial epithet that does not require a verdict of guilt of some crime to be properly used.    Just like one can label someone a liar without having them be found guilty of perjury.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
3.1.30  TᵢG  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @3.1.28    3 years ago

It gets old.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
3.1.31  Trout Giggles  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.10    3 years ago
Web "The American president is a   traitor   to the United States. He is literally the most un-American president that we've had, probably since Andrew Johnson." SCARAMUCCI …

Didn't Scaramucci work for trmp?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
3.1.32  Trout Giggles  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.12    3 years ago

I would vote for Old Scratch over trmp....

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Senior Guide
3.1.33  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  TᵢG @3.1.30    3 years ago

In times of great change, I think a little consistency is refreshing.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
3.1.34  TᵢG  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @3.1.33    3 years ago

Does that mean I should treat every comment from you as sarcasm?  

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Senior Guide
3.1.35  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.17    3 years ago
Instead of trying to outwit someone how about you admit he's a traitor. 

I have consistently shared my belief that he is completely unfit for the office.  I believed that in 2016, 2020 and now.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Senior Guide
3.1.36  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  TᵢG @3.1.34    3 years ago

No, there are exceptions to any rule.  I think that my sarcasm is usually self evident.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
3.1.37  TᵢG  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @3.1.35    3 years ago
I have consistently shared my belief that he is completely unfit for the office.  I believed that in 2016, 2020 and now.

Being unfit does not necessarily mean he is a traitor.   JR was asking if you consider Trump a traitor.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Senior Guide
3.1.38  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  TᵢG @3.1.37    3 years ago

I thought that betrayed the country throughout his days in office. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
3.1.39  TᵢG  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @3.1.38    3 years ago

Agreed.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
Professor Participates
4  Hal A. Lujah    3 years ago

330 million people in this country but these are our only choices.  It’s like we’re just pulling the CO hoods over heads for a slow death.  If we can’t do better than this as a nation then democracy deserves to die.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Senior Guide
4.1  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @4    3 years ago

Can’t agree with you more.

 
 

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