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Biden says democracy is in peril. Did he move fast enough to prevent another Jan. 6?

  
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Biden says democracy is in peril. Did he move fast enough to prevent another Jan. 6?
In a speech Friday near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania Biden will cast the upcoming election as a fight for democracy itself and characterize Trump as a threat to the country’s founding principles. The speech, originally scheduled for Saturday but moved up a day because of the threat of bad weather, is timed to mark the third anniversary of the Jan. 6 attacks.

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WASHINGTON – President Joe Biden is kicking off the campaign year with dark warnings that democracy is in peril with Donald Trump eyeing a second term.

But has Biden done enough to prevent another Jan. 6?

Biden has given several speeches denouncing the attack on the U.S. Capitol by a mob of Trump supporters trying to halt the certification of the 2020 election that Trump lost to Biden. His Justice Department has brought charges against hundreds of rioters.

But questions remain about whether the Justice Department took too long to charge the Jan. 6 conspirators and whether Attorney General Merrick Garland was too timid in his pursuit of Trump. Biden himself is also facing criticism in some quarters that he hasn’t spoken forcefully enough to condemn the attack and those involved.

The delay in bringing charges against Trump could become “very consequential for our democracy” because the trial is scheduled during the campaign season, said Michael Waldman, CEO of the Brennan Center for Justice at New York University.

“The failure to charge Trump in a timely manner means that his trial now is pressing into the primary and election season, with all the complexity that brings,” said Waldman, a constitutional lawyer and a 2021 member of the Presidential Commission on the Supreme Court of the United States. “It should not have required the January 6th committee and the facts it uncovered to prod the Justice Department to act.”

Michael Fanone, a retired police officer who defended the Capitol on Jan. 6, said he has been disappointed in the administration's response to the attack.

“Where is the outrage on behalf of the current administration?” Fanone said Friday during an appearance on MSNBC’s Morning Joe. “Joe Biden has given some fiery speeches with regards to MAGA and its effort to overturn a free and fair election. But that’s something that this country needs to hear every single day – specifically younger people.”

Biden, hobbled by low approval ratings, has ramped up his criticism of Trump in recent weeks, saying the former president’s description of his political opponents as “vermin” and his statements that migrants are “poisoning the blood of the country” echo the language from Nazi Germany. But Biden’s attacks on Trump have mostly come at political rallies where the public at large would not hear them.

That's about to change.

In a speech Friday near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania Biden will cast the upcoming election as a fight for democracy itself and characterize Trump as a threat to the country’s founding principles. The speech, originally scheduled for Saturday but moved up a day because of the threat of bad weather, is timed to mark the third anniversary of the Jan. 6 attacks.

Biden is planning to give a similar speech on Monday at an African-American church in Charleston, South Carolina, that was the target of a racially inspired mass shooting in 2015.

For his part, Garland told reporters Friday that U.S. Attorney Matthew Graves and Justice Department special counsel Jack Smith are following longstanding norms to ensure their independence and the integrity of the department's investigation.

“The Justice Department will hold all Jan. 6 perpetrators at any level accountable under the law, whether they were present that day or were otherwise criminally responsible for the assault on our democracy,” Garland said. “We are following the facts and the law wherever they lead. We are enforcing the law without fear or favor. We are honoring our obligation to protect the civil rights and civil liberties of everyone in our country. We are upholding the rule of law and we are protecting the American people.”

Garland typically declines comment on the continuing investigation and took no questions.

'Officers were assaulted on a scale we have never seen': prosecutor

The riot on Jan. 6, 2021, was the worst attack on the Capitol since the War of 1812. The attack forced the House and Senate – including former Vice President Mike Pence – to flee and temporarily halted the counting on Electoral College votes certifying Biden’s victory. About 140 police officers were injured in fighting around the building. One rioter was shot to death outside the House chamber. The siege caused about $2.9 million damage.

“The attack is unlike anything we’ve ever seen,” Graves, the federal prosecutor for the District of Columbia, told reporters Thursday. “Members of Congress and their staff were forced to flee and those who could not flee had to hide. Officers were assaulted on a scale we have never seen and many of those officers continue to suffer from the injuries they sustained that day.”

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More than 1,250 defendants have been charged in the attack and more than 890 have pleaded guilty or been convicted at trial, Garland said.

Leaders of two groups − four of the Proud Boys and two of the Oath Keepers − were convicted of the most serious charge of seditious conspiracy in the attack. Proud Boys leader Enrique Tarrio received the longest prison sentence yet at 22 years.

About 723 defendants had been sentenced by Dec. 6, including 454 who were imprisoned, the department said. About 444 defendants were charged with assaulting or impeding police or staffers, including about 120 individuals charged with using a deadly or dangerous weapon, the department said.

Prosecutions required identifying not just the defendants but their specific wrongdoing, Graves said. Investigators are still trying to identify about 80 individuals who assaulted police officers, he said. The statute of limitations for the crimes will expire Jan. 5, 2026, he said.

A year after the attack Graves estimated that 2,000 people were in a restricted area around the Capitol, meaning hundreds more people who haven't yet been identified could be charged in the attack.

“Much work has been done to hold members of the mob responsible for the crimes they committed,” Graves said. “The prosecutions have necessarily focused on the actions of the individuals charged, not the collective harm done by the thousands of people who were simultaneously committing crimes that day.”

Protecting rights of victims, witnesses and defendants is important, Graves said. The process includes the most robust collection and sharing of evidence in history, showcasing the government’s commitment to fairness and integrity, he said.

“This process is arduous, painstaking and thorough,” Graves said.

However, legal experts say part of the delay has been due to defendants themselves, including Trump, who has sought to slow down criminal trials until after the election.

"Trump has only one real litigation strategy in the four criminal prosecutions he faces: delay," said Joyce White Vance, the former U.S. Attorney for the Northern District of Alabama and now a professor at the University of Alabama School of Law. "At this point, delays are not about DOJ or state prosecutors moving slowly. Trump is entitled to file motions and even to appeal some denials ahead of trial. The courts are responsible for ensuring issues are resolved promptly so the American people can get answers before they vote."

Legal experts said the Justice Department special counsel moved swiftly after his appointment in November 2022 to charge Trump June 8 for mishandling classified documents and Aug. 1 for election interference. But questions continue to swirl about why Garland took so long to appoint Smith in the first place.

"Jack Smith's extraordinarily fast-paced and aggressive investigation of these matters calls into question inaction by the Justice Department before his appointment," said Renato Mariotti, a former federal prosecutor now practicing at Bryan Cave Leighton Paisner.

Mariotti stressed that no one outside of Garland's inner circle knows what was happening behind the scenes during the nearly two years between Jan. 6 and Smith's appointment. Perhaps significant groundwork was being laid.

"Historians, for decades to come, will examine why it appears there was no investigation into matters by the Justice Department" earlier in the Biden administration, Mariotti said.

Gene Rossi, a former federal prosecutor who represented one of the Jan. 6 defendants, said he believes prosecutors have moved at a reasonable pace given the amount of material that must reviewed before and during the trials. In his case, for instance, the Justice Department provided more than 200 days' worth of video evidence from various cameras rolling on that day.

"They're going at a fast but moderate pace because there's so much discovery," Rossi said. "It's hard to identify all the individuals who allegedly committed acts against police officers or participated. It takes time."

Fake electors key to Trump's strategy to overturn 2020 election

A key part of Trump’s strategy to overturn the 2020 election was to swap Electoral College votes in states that Biden won to support him. Two lawyers advising Trump, John Eastman and Kenneth Chesebro, developed the plan to recruit Republican electors in seven tightly contested states who met and sent documents to Congress supporting Trump despite Biden winning the states.

If fake electors created enough confusion about a state’s results, Eastman argued Pence single-handedly could have thrown the election to the House, where GOP lawmakers could potentially have kept Trump as president because Republicans controlled a majority of state delegations.

But Pence refused to participate in the scheme. That is why rioters set up a gallows outside the Capitol and chanted “hang Mike Pence” as they rampaged through the building.

Congress overhauled the Electoral Count Act to clarify how electors are challenged and counted. The compromise raised the threshold to challenge a state’s electors to 20% of the House and Senate, rather than the previous one lawmaker from each chamber.

The legislation explicitly stated the vice president’s role in overseeing the counting of Electoral College votes is ceremonial. The legislation also required documents of electors submitted to Congress and the National Archives must bear the state seal and contain a security feature verifying its authenticity.

Eastman, Chesebro charged in Georgia, but not federally

Eastman and Chesebro were charged with Trump in Georgia as part of an election racketeering conspiracy. Eastman and Trump have pleaded not guilty and a trial has not been scheduled. Chesebro pleaded guilty in October to a felony charge of conspiracy to commit filing false documents.

But neither Eastman nor Chesebro has been charged in the federal case against Trump for alleged election interference. That case is set for trial March 4, but preparations have been suspended while Trump appeals pretrial issues.

Georgia, Michigan and Nevada have each charged fake electors, but only Georgia has indicted Trump.

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Will Biden's warnings go unheeded?

Recent polling shows the challenge Biden will face in trying to convince many Americans that Trump is a threat to democracy.

An overwhelming 83% of those surveyed in a new USA TODAY/Suffolk University Poll said they were worried about democracy, but they strongly disagreed upon who was the biggest threat. Forty percent (mostly Republicans) said Democrats were chiefly responsible for the threat; another 40% (mostly Democrats) said Republicans were.

A poll last month from The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research yielded similar results. Some 62% of adults surveyed said democracy in the U.S. could be at risk depending on who wins next fall, but they disagreed over who poses the threat. And independents are split − 54% of independents said a second Trump term would negatively affect U.S. democracy vs. 56% who believe democracy would be weakened by another Biden win.

What’s more, two-thirds (67%) of those supporting Trump said in the USA TODAY/ Suffolk University Poll said they don’t believe Biden was legitimately elected in 2020, a debunked assertion that Trump has continued to trumpet at rallies and on social media.

William Bike, a political commentator and communications expert, said Biden’s target audience for his speeches on democracy’s fate isn’t MAGA voters, whose opinion he’s never going to change, or other votes who already have strong opinions about the upcoming race. Biden is instead trying to reach voters who up until now haven’t been closely paying attention to the election, he said.

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“There’s a lot of people who just go along doing their business every day and don’t really start paying attention to the presidential race until you get closer to it,” said Bike, author of a how-to guide called “Winning Political Campaigns.” “I think that’s who Biden is trying to reach.”

For Biden, characterizing the election in such stark terms also comes with political risks. He faced backlash from Republicans and some political strategists when he warned that equality and democracy are under assault in a prime-time address in Philadelphia ahead of the 2022 midterm elections. Republicans accused him of vilifying hard-working Americans, while some analysts questioned his timing and tone.

Bike, however, said Biden’s stark warnings make sense given the country’s already divisive political climate.

“We are in a different era right now,” he said. “We’re in an era of extremity. We’re in an era of highly partisanship. So, I think Biden’s strategy is to motivate Democrats to come to out more, and I think that’s what he’s trying to do. He’s trying to appeal to the undecided or the people who just worry about other issues.”

Bike predicted there’s little chance that Biden’s stark tone could backfire and cause some voters to stay home.

"I don’t think this will be a stay-at-home election,” he said. “With both sides raising the issue, I think that’s going to be something that drives turnout."

Michael Collins covers the White House, Bart Jansen covers the Justice Department and John Fritze covers the Supreme Court.

This article originally appeared on USA TODAY: Biden says democracy is in peril. Did he move fast enough to prevent another Jan. 6?


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JohnRussell
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1  seeder  JohnRussell    2 years ago

Biden :  "We know who Trump is.  The question is, "who are we"? " 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2  seeder  JohnRussell    2 years ago

www.theguardian.com   /us-news/2024/jan/05/biden-january-6-anniversary-speech-trump-democracy

Fired-up Biden shows gloves are off in January 6 anniversary speech

David Smith 6-7 minutes   1/5/2024


This time it’s personal. On Friday Joe Biden tore into his predecessor Donald Trump as never before. He brimmed with anger, disdain and contempt. He apparently had to stop himself from swearing. So much for “ when they go low, we go high ” – and plenty of Democrats will be just fine with that.

If Biden was seeking to jolt his half-conscious 2024 re-election campaign into life, this may have done the trick. The palpable loathing of Trump took a good 10 or 20 years off him. Keep hating like this and he might do a Benjamin Button all the way to election day.

There is no better illustration of Biden’s evolution than a speech he delivered on the first anniversary of the January 6 insurrection. On that occasion,   he denounced a “web of lies”   but never mentioned Trump by name, preferring to cite the “former president”. Those were still the days when he would talk about “the former guy” and get a laugh.

Two years on,   in an address near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania , Biden spoke the name “Trump” more than 40 times in less than an hour as he warned that his likely 2024 opponent would sacrifice American democracy to put himself in power. The 81-year-old president generally seems like a grandfatherly figure predisposed to give people the benefit of the doubt, which makes his detestation of Trump all the more striking.

‘We nearly lost America’ says Biden ahead of Capitol attack anniversary – video

Trump’s failure to act as a violent mob stormed the US Capitol, despite the pleas of staff and family members, was “among the worst derelictions of duty by a president in American history”, Biden said, noting that Trump went on to lose 60 court cases that took him back to the truth “that I had won the election and he was a loser”.

It was a jab to the ribs, since Trump hates nothing more than being branded a “loser”.

The president went on to recall how Trump has called the insurrectionists “patriots” and claimed there was a “lot of love” on January 6. At that, Biden shook his head, blinked and let out a gasp of disbelief, as if stunned anew by the assertion. “The rest of the nation, including law enforcement, saw a lot of hate and violence,” he said.

Biden furiously denounced political violence and Trump’s habit of joking about the big lie-influenced intruder who attacked Paul Pelosi, the former House speaker Nancy Pelosi’s husband, with a hammer, saying: “And he thinks that’s funny. He laughed about it. What a sick – ”

He halted. At the last moment, the president of the United States had saved himself from uttering a profanity. The urge coursed through his body and found relief in his hands, which clenched into fists, as the crowd filled in with laughter and whooping. “My God,” Biden said. “I think it’s despicable, seriously, not just for a president but for any person to say that.”

Against a backdrop of 11 American flags and four faux Roman columns, Biden went on: “The guy who claims law and order sows lawlessness and disorder.” Trump is planning a full-scale campaign of revenge and retribution, he said, and promised to be a dictator on day one.

Trump has threatened to terminate the US constitution, impose the death penalty on military leaders who defied him and referred to dead soldiers as “suckers” and “losers”. Biden looked like he had a bad taste in his mouth. He was worked up and had to steel himself.

He mused: “Sometimes I’m really happy the Irish in me can’t be seen.”

Earlier this week CNN reported that younger aides on Biden’s re-election campaign had been grimly joking about when to go “full Hitler” – making a direct comparison of Trump to the Nazi leader rather than merely saying Trump   “parroted” him . Biden did not quite go full Hitler but he did observe: “He talks about the blood of Americans being poisoned, echoing the same exact language used in Nazi Germany.”

Democrats are often criticised for pulling their punches and refusing to fight dirty as Republicans do. For as long as Trump has been on the political scene, they have wrestled with the question of whether to rise above him or roll in the dirt with him. In 2018, the former attorney general Eric Holder   declared : “When they go low, we kick ’em. That’s what this new Democratic party is about.”

When the party’s nominee in 2016, Hillary Clinton, referred to Trump’s supporters as “deplorables”, it fed a narrative of liberal elitism but with Ordinary Joe/Dark Brandon, it is harder to make that charge stick. Years ago, responding to Trump’s misogyny,   Biden said : “If we were in high school, I’d take him behind the gym and beat the hell out of him.”

Tellingly, his aggressive tone on Friday was praised by Republican campaign veterans who are no strangers to politics as a bloodsport. Rick Wilson, a co-founder of the Lincoln Project, wrote on X: “Everyone on the pro-democracy side of this fight should amplify the hell out of this.”

Biden held a private meeting with historians this week to discuss the state of democracy and framed his speech around George Washington, the founding president who willingly relinquished power rather than become a king. He said the things that need to be said about this election on the eve of another January 6 anniversary, an outrage that animates him just as the white nationalist march in Charlottesville did in 2020.

There will be time enough to discuss the economy, border security, the climate crisis, reproductive freedom and foreign policy (his critics will ask why he cannot summon such righteous fury on behalf of Palestinian civilians). Voters will surely demand not only vivid Trump-bashing but a positive vision for a second term. Friday was hardly an optimistic start to the new year.

But for now, one thing is clear. The gloves are off and, assuming Trump wins the Republican nomination, this will be an election between combatants with a mutual abhorrence like none that has gone before.

 
 
 
Igknorantzruls
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2.1  Igknorantzruls  replied to  JohnRussell @2    2 years ago
The gloves are off

about fckn time

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3  seeder  JohnRussell    2 years ago

I wasnt overly impressed with Biden today, the speech was too cliche ridden for my tastes. 

But at least he took it to Trump directly, and its about time for that. Biden also showed how silly the "Biden is senile" claims from the right are. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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3.1  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @3    2 years ago

Most of the electorate doesn't really give a damn. If the Dems keep pounding on this issue, they will certainly lose bigly

The people want peace and prosperity, not the never ending gloom and doom of Biden.

Biden's Speech About January 6 Full of Hyperbolic Doom and Gloom As 2024 Election Looms Closer (townhall.com)

 
 
 
Gazoo
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3.1.1  Gazoo  replied to  Greg Jones @3.1    2 years ago

At least the stage wasn’t backlit in red this time, as if he were standing at the gates of hell. And i was surprised to see three American flags behind him (who does he think he’s kidding)? And I’m sure the presence of American flags onstage must’ve angered many of his loyal subjects.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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3.2  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @3    2 years ago

Lol. Did he speak extemporaneously? Did he answer questions without staff assistance?did he make any public appearances afterwards?  

 
 
 
Gazoo
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3.2.1  Gazoo  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.2    2 years ago

To add,

Did he wander around the stage wondering where the exit was? Did he trip on the podium? Did he try to shake an invisible person’s hand?

 
 
 
arkpdx
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3.3  arkpdx  replied to  JohnRussell @3    2 years ago
silly the "Biden is senile" claims 

But they are correct. What is really frightening is how the Democrats refuse to acknowledge or accept that fact. 

 
 
 
Snuffy
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4  Snuffy    2 years ago

So on one hand we have Biden who spent this speech tossing out doom and gloom about the perils of Trump who according to Biden would end democracy. And the other side we have an idiot who can't let go of the past but continues to cry about how the 2020 election was stolen from him.

Fuck them both. Why the hell can't we have better candidates. How in the hell are these two losers the leading candidates for their parties' nominations?  Why do we have to listen to this crap and why don't we ever have politicians who want to talk about their plans to make our lives better? All we seem to get these days is one fool attacking the other while spouting fear about how that other guy will ruin our lives.

 
 
 
Igknorantzruls
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4.1  Igknorantzruls  replied to  Snuffy @4    2 years ago
So on one hand we have Biden who spent this speech tossing out doom and gloom about the perils of Trump who according to Biden would end democracy. And the other side we have an idiot who can't let go of the past but continues to cry about how the 2020 election was stolen from him.

Well of course it is an embarrassment that these will most likely be our two choices, but i'll take sleepy senile fired up Joe with his unfortunately accurate predictions over the DICKTATER TOT wanna be, who has accomplished cult liter status while his fate is left to the quarts, who will likely allow the dick to be on the ballot , as his attorney Allina Habba, states some on the Supreme Court, owe Trump...WTF people, how the hell does this clown, from the top all the way down, consistently get a pass, and far more than just his endless gas , lighting the way to a darkened USA

 
 
 
Ronin2
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4.1.1  Ronin2  replied to  Igknorantzruls @4.1    2 years ago
with his unfortunately accurate predictions

What has Brandon the traitor and his corrupt administration predicted right?

I will take any Republican candidate over Brandon- including Trump. After what Democrats have put this country through for the last eight years and counting- they shouldn't be able to hold any position at any level of government.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.1.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Ronin2 @4.1.1    2 years ago
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afrayedknot
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4.1.3  afrayedknot  replied to  Ronin2 @4.1.1    2 years ago

“…they shouldn't be able to hold any position at any level of government.”

Do you realize the danger that that would pose? 

There must be some basic standard of accountability coming from an established entity that voices a disparate viewpoint. We lose that and we lose our birthright.

Like it or not, it is fundamental. Right or left. 

 
 
 
arkpdx
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4.1.4  arkpdx  replied to  Igknorantzruls @4.1    2 years ago
cult liter

What is a "cult liter"? Do cult come  2 liters too?  How about 6 packs? Pounders?

 
 
 
afrayedknot
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4.1.5  afrayedknot  replied to  arkpdx @4.1.4    2 years ago

“What is a "cult liter"?”

That you haven’t a clue only confirms you haven’t a clue. 

 
 
 
arkpdx
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4.1.6  arkpdx  replied to  afrayedknot @4.1.5    2 years ago

Yeah I have a clue. I know you were trying to be funny and failed miserably. My response was funnier. 

 
 
 
Ronin2
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4.1.7  Ronin2  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.2    2 years ago

Still didn't fucking answer the question.

What the fuck has Brandon the traitor and his corrupt administration predicted that was correct?

 
 
 
Ronin2
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4.1.8  Ronin2  replied to  afrayedknot @4.1.3    2 years ago
Do you realize the danger that that would pose? 

Do you realize what a danger the Democrats have put this Democracy in over the last 8 years and counting? Do you realize the amount of shit they have put this country through? Do you realize the amount of laws they have broken all in an effort to try and undo the 2016 elections?

There must be some basic standard of accountability coming from an established entity that voices a disparate viewpoint. We lose that and we lose our birthright.

Yes, there must- but Democrats have lost that right. Until they realize that laws apply to everyone- and not just those with an R behind their name; or wearing a MAGA hat- they are unfit to serve in any capacity.

Like it or not, it is fundamental. Right or left. 

It is fundamental that the laws apply to everyone. Not just who the Brandon administration, Garland, Wray, Weiss, Smith, and slew of over reaching state and local AG/DA's say they do.

Democrats want an opportunity to lead again; then they need to clean their own swamp first.

 
 

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