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How to Make Trump's Fraud Verdict Matter to Voters

  
Via:  John Russell  •  2 years ago  •  12 comments

By:   Taegan Goddard Leave (Political Wire)

How to Make Trump's Fraud Verdict Matter to Voters
Dan Pfeiffer: "It would be easy to look at Trump's continued strength in the polls, conclude that he is immune to political accountability, and focus the campaign on issues other than the former President's criminal conduct.""That's a defeatist attitude. One of Barack Obama's cardinal co

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Dan Pfeiffer: "It would be easy to look at Trump's continued strength in the polls, conclude that he is immune to political accountability, and focus the campaign on issues other than the former President's criminal conduct."

"That's a defeatist attitude. One of Barack Obama's cardinal communications rules is to always talk about the elephant in the room — even when polls suggest it would be better to avoid. It would be a massive strategic blunder to avoid making Trump's criminality and rampant corruption anything other than a centerpiece of the campaign. But — as always — how we talk about it matters…"

"This verdict is a reminder that Trump is more politically vulnerable than the prevailing narrative suggests and that it is imperative to frame this election as a choice between a decent, experienced man who cares about you and a chaotic criminal who only cares about himself. We must take the opportunity to make that case every time it arises."

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JohnRussell
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1  seeder  JohnRussell    2 years ago
"This verdict is a reminder that Trump is more politically vulnerable than the prevailing narrative suggests and that it is imperative to frame this election as a choice between a decent, experienced man who cares about you and a chaotic criminal who only cares about himself. We must take the opportunity to make that case every time it arises."
 
 
 
Nerm_L
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2  Nerm_L    2 years ago

It's not rocket science (which ain't that difficult anyway).  If you want Trump off the ballot then remove Biden from the ballot.  Can't Democrats can find better candidates than piece-of-shit Biden?  BTW, Hillary Clinton would be even worse than Joe Biden; so don't even go there.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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2.1  TᵢG  replied to  Nerm_L @2    2 years ago
If you want Trump off the ballot then remove Biden from the ballot. 

How does removing Biden remove Trump?

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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2.1.1  Nerm_L  replied to  TᵢG @2.1    2 years ago
How does removing Biden remove Trump?

Well, it's not automatic.  But the probabilities suggest that a Biden replacement would run on issues instead of focusing public attention on Trump.

Hasn't it occurred to anyone the Trump's popularity is boosted because Biden appears to be afraid of Trump?  Biden tries to mythologize Trump the same way Biden tries to mythologize Putin.  And we all know Biden ain't gonna fight Putin because Biden has told us so.

Biden is an unpopular candidate.  Biden is telling us the economy is great; what a shithead.  Biden is telling us that Jim Crow is going to come back; what a shithead.  Biden is telling us that Russia is going to conquer the world; what a shithead.  Like it or not a significant segment of the electorate would get satisfaction from Trump rubbing Biden's nose in Biden's shit.  If Democrats chose a real candidate that talked about real issues, instead of a shithead that stirs the cesspool, then there wouldn't be a need for Trump on the ballot.

Biden represents the worst aspects of the Democrat Party.  And if Democrats are going to throw shit then why would we expect Republicans to ignore that?

 
 
 
TᵢG
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2.1.2  TᵢG  replied to  Nerm_L @2.1.1    2 years ago
Hasn't it occurred to anyone the Trump's popularity is boosted because Biden appears to be afraid of Trump? 

Trump's popularity is, to me, a fundamental failure of reason on the part of the electorate.   In the recent past, the electorate would never consider such a scoundrel yet here we are.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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2.1.3  Nerm_L  replied to  TᵢG @2.1.2    2 years ago
Trump's popularity is, to me, a fundamental failure of reason on the part of the electorate.   In the recent past, the electorate would never consider such a scoundrel yet here we are.

Well the polls don't seem to indicate Trump is popular.  But those same polls do suggest that Trump may be more popular than Biden.

Seems to me the pertinent question is 'why is Trump popular?'  What is Trump's appeal?  Democrats try to frame the answer to that question in terms of their politics so whatever Democrats say will be highly partisan and far from objective.  Democrats use their partisan position to explain why Trump should be unpopular (which really is supported by polling).  What we appear to lack is any sort of objective attempt to explain why Trump retains sufficient support and popularity to challenge Biden.

IMO it is not possible to explain Trump's support and popularity without including Biden in the analysis.  Trump's candidacy doesn't exist in a vacuum; other factors than only Trump must be influencing the support and popularity.  

 
 
 
TᵢG
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2.1.4  TᵢG  replied to  Nerm_L @2.1.3    2 years ago
Well the polls don't seem to indicate Trump is popular. 

His popularity is within the GOP as evidenced by his consistent double-digit leads.

Seems to me the pertinent question is 'why is Trump popular?'  

Yes.   Especially in consideration of what he has done and his abysmal character and irresponsible public comments.

Trump's candidacy doesn't exist in a vacuum; other factors than only Trump must be influencing the support and popularity.  

That does not, in any way, explain why Trump has been dominating the GOP nomination process.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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2.1.5  Nerm_L  replied to  TᵢG @2.1.4    2 years ago
His popularity is within the GOP as evidenced by his consistent double-digit leads.

Okay.  But doesn't that provide some clues about why Trump remains popular?

Yes.   Especially in consideration of what he has done and his abysmal character and irresponsible public comments.

Well, Trump certainly has not been hiding in the shadows (or basement).  In fact, Trump has doubled down on being a shithead.  So, that raises another question.  Is Trump's popularity really about Trump?  

That does not, in any way, explain why Trump has been dominating the GOP nomination process.

Well, doesn't that suggest that there are voter expectations for what Trump will do?  The conventional explanation would be that Trump is meeting those voter expectations.  But Democrats attempting to spin that conventional explanation to fit their partisan politics doesn't seem like a promising means of understanding what is happening.

The political establishment appears to shocked and confused.  The media seems to be more interested in exploiting the phenomena than explaining the phenomena.  It seems reasonable that the answer lies with voters since they know why they are voting for Trump.

I've been explaining my choice is based upon Biden and not upon Trump.  Trump is only a way to remove Biden.  But everyone seems more vested in telling me why I'm wrong rather than listening.  And my mind is made up; I don't care about right or wrong at this point.  Biden has to go, period.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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2.1.6  TᵢG  replied to  Nerm_L @2.1.5    2 years ago
But doesn't that provide some clues about why Trump remains popular?

Why does the GOP want a vindictive, irresponsible, narcissist, demagogue asshole who is the only PotUS in our history to try to steal a presidential election through fraud, coercion, lying, and incitement as their nominee rather than Haley?   On top of that, Trump could very well be a convicted felon by inauguration day.   

In contrast, Haley is grounded, experienced and would give the GOP the creds of having the first female PotUS.

The answer is not "because Biden is running".   This is GOP business regardless of what the Ds do.

Is Trump's popularity really about Trump?  

Haley is right there.   The GOP is picking a scoundrel.   

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Nerm_L @2    2 years ago
It's not rocket science (which ain't that difficult anyway).  If you want Trump off the ballot then remove Biden from the ballot. 

Who will then remove Trump?

 
 
 
JBB
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2.2.1  JBB  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2    2 years ago

MAGAs and Half-A-MAGAs fear Biden. He whooped Trump's lousy behind in 2020 and he will again on November 5th. Their only hope is that President Biden concedes, but Joe will not.

All this while Trump is running away with the gop nomination! 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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3  Greg Jones    2 years ago

I doubt if its effect on voters will amount to much.

“Voting for Trump is playing Russian roulette with the country. Voting for Biden is outright national suicide.”

~Bob Barr

 
 

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