What Happens To Ukraine And NATO If Trump Gets Back In Office ?
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Rick Wilson -
You know, you and I I both come from the right side of the fence, but there was a great historical tradition in the US from Truman forward that we took the Russians with a big grain of salt. We tried to make sure that we addressed this, that very pro Putin sort of position, the pinnacle of it being Helsinki and now the Republican flip on Ukraine. What do you see as the future right now of Ukraine in the course of this giant debate we're having in Washington over funding the additional military aid they need to keep up the fight against Putin?
John Bolton -
I'm very worried about Ukraine. I think it's in a perilous position. I think the Tucker Carlson interview with Vladimir Putin demonstrates Putin is now doing something I was afraid of for the past year, he's now basically saying he's prepared to negotiate. I think he needs a ceasefire to regroup. He will basically double Russian control over Ukrainian territory, although with a terrible human cost from Russia's point of view. But if Putin is given time he'll be back at it. I think Biden will jump at the chance to negotiate a ceasefire in Ukraine, to take one major problem off the table in front of him I'm very much afraid the Europeans would just like to turn the page on the whole thing. The looming possibility of a Trump presidency has to worry Zelensky and his government
So with with our inability to get legislative approval of the necessary assistance for Ukraine ,Putin has moved into a prime position and I think Trump will exacerbate that with his comments. So it's it really requires people to speak up for the reasons why we aid Ukraine. This isn't charity for the Ukrainians. We're doing this because it's in our interest to do it, and I won't spell out all the arguments here, but but this is the fundamental problem with explaining to the isolationist, both in the Republican Party and the Democratic Party, that our way of life here at home depends on a strong position internationally. When we show weakness in Ukraine, it's not just to the Russians, it's to the Chinese. It's to Iran. It's the North Korea. It's to our allies as well, who worry about our staying power.
Rick Wilson -
.... What do you think happens to NATO if you know we get Trump back in office what's your thought on how what our security architecture looks if we don't help Ukraine and Trump comes back?
John Bolton
Well, I I think Trump will almost certainly try to withdraw from NATO. He almost did it in 2018. He's not changed his view. His comments are a little bit opaque at the moment, but I think I know what his intention was when Trump pressed NATO allies to spend more. It wasn't the same reason that many of us for many, many years have pressed them to spend more to make NATO stronger.
It was to push NATO into a position where he could announce withdrawal. And I think, I think that's still his motivation. I think Putin is just waiting for him to come back to do that. That would be a catastrophic mistake for the United States, and would obviously have immediate negative implications for Ukraine. Trump has said is he would get Zelensky and Putin in a room together and solve it in 24 hours, which of course is ridiculous. A meeting like that would fail. Obviously it's not Donald Trump's fault, it never is when failure happens, it has to be somebody else. And I don't think he would blame his friend Vladimir Putin. So that's just another reason that underlines why we need to get this pending aid to Ukraine so they can stave off the the kinds of pressure I'm afraid they're about to see.
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from someone who was in the room
Now liberals trust John Bolton.
Hilarious!
I trust him more than I trust Trump, which is sad to have to say.
Of course. [TROLLING]
My understanding of it was Trump held our NATO allies feet to the fire on paying their agreed upon percentage for NATO. Which many to that date had not for many years. The USA always has to my knowledge.
Many started working towards paying it after Trump pressured them. The only President evidently willing to do that. Democrat or Republican.
John Bolton, who was in the room, says Trump wants to take the US out of NATO.
Yes and now you trust his opinion. Only because it is anti Trump.
Only.
The guy in the room you trust:
Remember that one?
The trend started in 2014/15 to the current date and has climbed every year.
Yes, the US always has.
No, he wasn't, Others have including Bush Jr. and Obama.
I’ll take your word for it. Tables on an iPhone are a bitch
The truth is never trolling …..
Ukraine already served it's purpose- it has degraded Russia's military to the point that it is no longer an immediate threat to Europe/NATO.
Ukraine offers the US absolutely nothing.
It should be up to the EU/NATO(not including US) if they want to continue to support the war in Ukraine.
As for NATO- they have learned absolutely nothing from Russia invading Ukraine; except the US will rush to fill the breach caused by their unwillingness to pay to defend themselves.
Wasn't the EU supposed to start their own military the last time Trump scared them so damn badly?
So where is the fucking EU army to protect all of Europe? It has only been 6 years since Macron issued that "threat".
Europeans need to STFU and take care of their own defense for a change- instead of relying on the US to do the heavy lifting all of the damn time. We would welcome the break of having to finance a military that literally has to protect the whole damn planet.
Spot on.
Then you should re-read your first comment and make necessary corrections.
First off NATO is the organization for the defense of it's members, the EU is not nor do all the countries belong to both organizations. The US as a member is obliged to come to the aid of any other member that is attacked (article 5) just as all NATO countries came our aid after 9/11 the first time in history that Article 5 was invoked and some non NATO countries also came to our aid, Ukraine being one of them.
As explained before the EU isn't the military defense organization, NATO is.
Not true these are figures.
The US figure is less than 10% of the US annual DOD budget and for that, we have contributed to the destruction of the Russian army. We have learned much more about Russia and its capabilities and much more about how effective our and our NATO allies weapons are.
NATO and Non NATO countries have ordered billions of dollars worth of weapon systems from us over and above the orders pre Ukraine war.
Why do we need to waste more taxpayer money on a worthless European institution? Vladimir Putin ain't afraid of Joe Biden, the United States, or NATO. The invasion of Ukraine attests to that. NATO was operating in Ukraine before the invasion but cut and ran at the first threat. NATO is not a deterrent against Russia; that's what the Russian invasion of Ukraine means. NATO does not serve a useful function any longer.
And Ukraine is nothing more than a money pit. Ukraine will be another Turkey. With allies like that we don't need to worry about Russia.
Trump cannot if he becomes president again withdraw from NATO without the consent of Congress and a 2/3 vote.
That's why it is stupid as hell to discuss it at all.................
It's always best to clear up any misconceptions.
Exactly
Trump armed Ukraine, overturning Obama's policy and pushed for NATO to live up to its defense commitments, making it stronger. Probably expect more of the same in a second term.
Was he wrong? "The fact is that Ukraine, a non-NATO member, is going to be vulnerable to military domination by Russia no matter what we do"