JD Vance Racist Chat Defense Exposes Moral Rot of MAGA Right
By: colbyhall (Mediaite)
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Colby HallOct 15th, 2025
When Vice President JD Vance called outrage over a leaked Young Republicans chat filled with racist slurs "pearl clutching," he wasn't minimizing hate speech—he was codifying the MAGA Right's new moral standard: decency is weakness, and principle is a con.
The leaked chat—thousands of pages of bigotry masquerading as irony published by Politico—was indefensible. And yet Vance's reflex was to deflect, pointing to a Democratic rival's years-old violent and disqualifying text messages as if whataboutism were wisdom.
Vance posted on X that Jones's comments were "far worse than anything said in a college group chat," and dismissed the Young Republicans' messages as nothing more than a "college group chat." This was swiftly derided for what it was: gross partisan bullshit that prioritized scoring political points over a principled position.
"Because a politician on the other team said something indefensible, I shall refuse to condemn something indefensible said by my team," wrote Jonah Goldberg , translating the vice president's words accurately, and with much-deserved disgust. That, Goldberg argued, is moral cowardice. It's tribalism dressed up as principle. And it's fast becoming the ruling ethic of the post-Trump right: the belief that politics isn't about what's right, but who wins.
Translation: "Because a politician for the other team said something indefensible, I shall refuse to criticize something else indefensible said by my team" is exactly the kind moral cowardice and sophistry I've come to expect from our Vice President.
Oh and before all the… https://t.co/hFg81BjLko
— Jonah Goldberg (@JonahDispatch) October 15, 2025
It's a neat trick of modern populism: recast moral clarity as elitism, empathy as weakness, and outrage as hypocrisy. In this inverted value system, the only virtue left is loyalty, and the only sin is shame. That's the ethic Vance was signaling to — not the defense of speech, but the defense of the tribe.
Matt Walsh , one of the movement's louder populists, summed up the logic perfectly. Conservatives, he lamented, "don't stick together." For Walsh, the sin isn't racism or cruelty—it's disunity. Goldberg and fellow principled conservative Charles C.W. Cooke pushed back, reminding him that principle isn't betrayal.
"Why would I want to 'stick together' with those guys?" Cooke asked. "They don't believe what I believe."
Why would I want to "stick together" with those guys? They don't believe what I believe. They don't say what I think. Their worldview is not mine. And, insofar as they are connected to institutions of which I generally approve, they damage them. https://t.co/g5G7U0cXbZ
— Charles C. W. Cooke (@charlescwcooke) October 15, 2025
That question exposes the lie at the heart of populist "unity." The rot here isn't just moral—it's philosophical. The populist right has traded belief for belonging. Once, conservatism claimed to stand for virtue, restraint, and personal responsibility. Now its loudest avatars defend hate speech as "ironic" and mock shame as weakness.
They've inverted the moral hierarchy: loyalty to the tribe now trumps loyalty to truth and decency.
Vance's "college group chat" defense is emblematic. He doesn't even bother pretending the words were good—only that they shouldn't be disqualifying, because the "other side" is worse. It's nihilism with a campaign slogan.
To be clear, Democrats have their own moral blind spots. The private texts of Virginia Democrat Jay Jones — violent, personal, and indefensible — should have drawn louder condemnation from his own party. That they didn't speaks to a shared sickness in our politics: the instinct to go mute when it's your side's turn in the dock. But there's still a difference between silence and sanction. Jones is a local candidate. Vance is the sitting Vice President. His words don't just reflect rot — they model it.
Meanwhile, the same Young Republicans Vance refused to criticize have been fired or forced out, thankfully revealing that other conservatives still possess a conscience. They recognized that being on the right doesn't require defending the wrong.
Their swift accountability — firings, resignations, genuine condemnation — was proof that the old moral reflex isn't entirely dead on the right. It still flickers in people who remember that conservatism once meant conserving character, not just power.
Vance, a onetime moralist who wrote about the decay of his own community, now embodies the decay of his movement. He calls it loyalty. It's really surrender.
Because when calling shame "pearl clutching" passes for strength, you're not showing courage—you're confessing rot. And when the loudest voices on the right treat conscience as a liability, they're not conserving anything. They're cremating it.
This is an opinion piece. The views expressed in this article are those of just the author.
There doesnt seem any depth to which JD Vance wont sink.
The party of Jay Jones thinks they can criticize others and be taken seriously,
cute,
How the FCK does Jay Jones totally wrong bullshit comments condemn a whole party and rationalize what these disgusting young fcks said ?
He’s literally representing the party in an election and not one leader has called for his withdrawal.
Your president literally made a joke out of an 80 year old man being hit in the head with a hammer. Not as a musing , but as a comment on something that had already actually happened. Marjorie Taylor Greene suggested in 2022 that Nancy Pelosi deserved the death penalty.
Which is worse John? Joking about something that happened or arguing for kids to be murdered in front of their mother for partisan reasons?
Trump approved of Paul Pelosi being hit in the head with a hammer. If he didnt he wouldnt have joked about it.
I believe he made this "joke" at one of his presidential campaign rallies . Did you call for Trump to drop out at that point?
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I didn't read Jay Jones comments but if they are as bad as you think they are he should be tarred and feathered and run out of town on a rail
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almost as bad as all those disgusting chat room convos in the YRC, right?
Advocating that kids be killed in their mother's arms is 100000 times worse than racist comments.
why not go for 1000000 ?
It would still be true. Do you think racist comments by randoms are worse than a law enforcement officer arguing that kids should be killed for political reasons?
Did you call for Donald Trump to drop out of the presidential race after he joked about the attempted murder of an 80 year old husband of his political opponent? Trump made his comment at a political event connected to his presidential campaign.
Do you think racist comments by randoms are worse than a law enforcement officer arguing that kids should be killed for political reasons?
Why do you refuse to answer this question? Is it confusing?
I wonder how Mrs. JD Vance feels about his pearl clutching comment?
The leaked chat—thousands of pages of bigotry masquerading as irony published by Politico
Thousands of pages, that just sounds horrible. 2900 pages consisting of 28,000 posts by 6 and maybe up to 12 people in which 251 instances of a slur was used, in some cases multiple times in one post, and were posted by just 4 members, according to Grok. Another member tried to get them to knock it off by letting them know that if the private chat group went public they would get fried for their comments and rightfully so.
Yet there are no links to ANY of these "thousands of pages" that were leaked. Whole thing reeks of more liberal fantasy (again).
"Translating"? Was the VP speaking another language? Or is this author telling you all what you should be outraged about this week? I'm betting on the latter.
all of that can be found in JR's "I love Hitler" seed. Go read it for chrissakes
You can lead a bot to information, but you can’t make it read it.
That's not this seed now is it. THIS seed claims thousands of pages yet no link to any of them.
oh good grief Charlie Brown
I had ChatGPT5 search for a full published record of the logs. It said it could not find them. It then asked me if I wanted to do a deeper search and still couldn't find it when I said yes.
Why this matters.
We're being shown only selected texts from a left leaning news source (whether we're talking about Mediaite or Politico). In the opinion piece above, the general idea being presented as a general moral rot within the Republican party, based on leaked texts from the chat group logs and Vance's response to them.
What any reasonable person wanting to make an unbiased decision would want to do is have access to all the chat logs so that they could determine if the released comments were typical of all participants or were the comments of a few.
Concerning the texts.
Inexcusable. That the other side makes similar comments, using different slurs, is irrelevant. I am happy that they were exposed and, if there are more like them, that they get exposed, too. And I'm glad there were consequences.
Concerning Vance's comment.
Should have denounced the texts and those who wrote them. Should have said there's no room for them. Could still have pointed out the left does the same.
why did you direct this to me? I'm not the author of this seed
So your major complaint is that you want to do whataboutism.
The initial part of the post was because of your comment at 5.1 . The rest was just to make clear what my position is so that I can avoid comments like JR's at 5.1.6 . Apparently, some are just going to say crap like that no matter what I write.
What, in the following quotes from myself, leads you to believe that?
Or was it this one?
Vance pointed out the opposition does the same. I can't control what Vance says. My quote reflects my opinion of what he should have said along with it.
More partisan outrage. It's so easy to feign outrage when the 'other side' is caught, yet it's rather quiet when it's 'their side' doing it.
It's been said before, a lot of people in politics say some of the most horrible things when they think their conversations are private.
partisan outrage? You'd be all over this like stink on shit if it were the Young Democrats that said this shit
laugh it up now but I'm marking your comment
You are imagining they don't say stupid shit like that regularly.
They're kids. Saying stupid shit is part of the program. Which is why nobody cares about this.
Do you have anything showing they were kids?
this is one of the main ones
He doesnt look much like a kid to me.
Looking at him, I would say he is at least 25.
See post 7 for my response.
Why would I care whether or not you give a shit about this ?
I have shoes older than these people.
The whole seed is a feeble attempt to virtue signal by condemning people who don't give a shit.
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Many people from their 50s and above refer to 20 somethings as kids. It does not mean we think they are small children, it just means they are much younger than that person.
I work in a nursing home where some of the residents refer to me as a kid and I am 59.
No big deal.
That doesnt make them kids whose comments can be downgraded to juvenile.
Jack we all know there is a whole laundry list of things you dont give a shit about.
Correct. Don't sweat the small stuff.
BTW, I don't give a shit about social media posts or private text messages between 25 year old lefties, either. They're kids. They say stupid shit.
It does not appear these people are kids. Kid is an age related designation, not based on how they look to you.
It went to a snooty college prep parochial high school like most of these privileged white “kids” probably attended. If I said any of those things out loud I guarantee you it would have been grounds for expulsion. But in the age of social media and cretins like DJT it’s just excusable locker room talk now. Yet these same dirt bags keep wanting to take us back to the past while excusing their own current inexcusable behaviors.
It must be so wonderful to live in a fantasy world where it's only people you want to hate that do inappropriate things.
If you imagine there are not 100 group chats among liberal kids containing comments at least as bad as these, then I need to tell you that I am secretly a Nigerian prince with $3 billion US I need to sneak out of Africa and I'll give you half if you just send me your banking details......
We'll add your definition of "kids" to that laundry list you were talking about.
These kids are younger than my kids, so that's how I'm looking at it.
Where did I ascribe inexcusable behavior to only the ones I hate? I placed blame on social media and DJT, because those two are huge drivers of deplorable comments. On the contrary, apparently it is only okay for young Republicans to make comments equally as vile as praising the death of Charlie Kirk.
I think the fantasy here is that people who have political jobs they get paid for are children who should not be held morally responsible for their actions.
Asked and answered.
Or are you using "dirt bags" affectionately?
You will be the first one dancing gleefully when they all get fired. Which they will.
I hate to disappoint you, but we don't actually put people in the stocks anymore. We don't tar & feather them, either.
Lol. Yes, these are dirtbags. If you disagree then go ahead and lump yourself in with them.
Their parents should be held responsible, they are just kids.
I know... why don't we round them all up and burn 'em at the stake. We can have a little witch trial before, if it helps you feel better.
But dear God... somebody texted something. This is definitely a crisis.
You seem flustered.
Were you related to this guy?
LOL!!!!
Not at all. Sarcasm is my default state.
How did you know!!!
It's (D)ifferent when it is like that.
no. This comment
Then can you explain why you would flag that post? It's a fairly innocuous post and doesn't directly name anybody. It doesn't break any rules that I'm aware of so I really would like you to explain why you would flag it in the first place.
learn the difference between "mark" and "flag"
Fine, mark it instead of flag it. You still don't explain why.
so when you go on a tear about Democrats doing evil things I will find it and post your above comment for all to see
More partisan outrage.
Your words. You claim you aren't partisan.
So long as you also use it when I point out partisan bullshit being done by the Republican side as well. Or do you deny that politicians for years have said all sorts of stupid and ugly stuff when they thought their conversations were private?
This conversation has already been rebuked by Republicans and I think some of the members in that conversation are already paying the price for their stupidity.
I think conversations here would be a lot better if people stopped with their immediate knee-jerk reaction to a partisan side. But I doubt if it will happen.
I've honestly never seen you call out republican partisan bullshit. You do say quite often that there's partisan bullshit on both sides but you never call out republican partisan bullshit specifically.
Thing is, there are outrageous acts every week driven by Trump. So a key question is how anyone can NOT —even if sporadically— call out Trump's words and deeds?
Worse, how can anyone defend what Trump is doing to this nation?
How does one, for example, NOT call out Trump's tariff idiocy? NOT call out his blatant abuse of the DoJ? NOT call out his lawless and inhumane treatment of illegals (and those who look like they might be illegals)? NOT call out his firing of opponents and hiring of sycophants? NOT call out his fiscal irresponsibility? NOT call out his irresponsible cuts to research. NOT call out his idiotic and irresponsible view that 'global warming is a hoax'. NOT call out his constant violations of the CotUS and the rule of law? On ... and ... on ... every single week.
Tell you what leftists.......
When members of your party actually stop assaulting, shooting out and killing republicans, then I will be mad about this.
When members of your party stop taking literal shots at the president, then I will be mad about this.
When members of your party stop doxxing and assaulting federal officers trying to simply do their jobs, then I will be mad at this
When members of your party stop setting fires to governor mansions then I will be mad about this.
When members of your party stop setting fires to places and things you don't like, I will be mad about this..
When members of your party stop wishing death on republicans and their children, I will be mad at this ....
But for now...I don't give a shit.
So I guess we see that at least for you "leftists" = Democrats.
Every party will have nutcases in it who will resort to violence. Blaming the party due to the actions of a tiny minority is irrational.
You would not accept Solomon Peña (for example) as an exemplar of what the GoP wants, so why take D nutcases and pretend they represent the Ds?
I know why.
The guy in the picture is in his office. He is an aide to Republican congressman Dave Taylor.
Ohio's Rep. Dave Taylor condemns 'vile' symbol at his DC office
Obviously just another kid. /s
The more they say they are just "kids" the more ridiculous they are going to look.
When it's the right wing that gets exposed the excuses are, oh just locker room talk, oh it's just boys being boys, ah well it's just youngsters being stupid. Excuses for openly admitted Nazi's.
But when inflatable costume frogs, unicorns, or cute animals confront the brutality of ICE all of a sudden these clever people are a "threat".
And when it is the left getting exposed for wishing the actual death of someone and her children, their response is "vote for him anyway".
INBOX from the Virginia Democratic Party
“Sears Must Call on All Young Republicans Implicated in Racist Text Scandal to Step Down from Their Positions” #vapol
Her response: Easy, they absolutely must step down. Now it’s your turn, Abigail.
Lol. Abigail is, of course, scared shitless of angering the fanatics in her party and has refused to call on Jay Jones to step down. As she said, Jay Jones expressed his desire to murder a dad and his two young boys—and to see police officers get shot. Abigail Spanberger still supports him.
So, this assholes texts from 2022 should clearly get him ousted from the nomination for attorney General in Virginia, a race I don't think many even knew was taking place until Republicans had a shit fit over these texts that surfaced. And while its clear they should be a deal breaker, they're still not what Republicans are characterizing them as. Saying that it would take “holding their dying children in her arms” to move on gun control is not expressing a "desire to murder his two young boys". It's a stupid and heartless claim about what it would take to get a Republican to act on any sort of meaningful gun safety measures, but it certainly is not death wishing this guys kids. But as I said, the other shit about the bullets for Hitler, Pol Pot or his opponent should be enough to get this nobody booted from any campaign.
Not a single Virginia or national democrat has called for him to step down.
the same people who immediately called for a governor to resign for wearing blackface in college are perfectly fine with a guy who roots for the murder of children and the shooting of police officers to be in charge of law enforcement. It’s a party unmoored from any values but racialism,
but it certainly is not death wishing this guys kids
Completely dishonest whitewashing. He responded "Yes" when the texter said you are hoping for kids to die.
Your obsession with the Virginia candidate is impressive. He said a vile tasteless thing on social media. That puts him in the same basket as tens of thousands of other people, most of them MAGAs.
"Jay Jones" is now your all purpose weapon.
To be fair, I don't think a Republican who said shit like that in a social media post just a couple years back would make a good Attorney General in charge of deciding what cases to prosecute in a State either. I think Jay Jones should be kicked out of the race and I think Democrats just got caught with their pants down way too deep in a race to reasonably run someone else so they're playing politics just like the Republicans do when in the same situation. Democrats have "condemned" his texts but haven't called for him to quit the race which I think is a mistake.
Maybe the democrats learned something from the Sen. Franken experience. Republicans (and a handful of democrats) have no bottom, and they will only leave their post over moral outrage when dragged kicking and screaming and under indictment. It’s a losing battle to play by different sets of rules.
And yet it's been that way for years. Republicans condemn their opponents with fire and fury when they catch others doing anything that even whiffs of wrongdoing like an inappropriate comedic photo of a comedian pretending to grab a woman's breasts got Al Franken to leave the Senate in shame. Republicans, on the other hand, simply have no shame so they will never step down, never do the right thing, never give in, because to them this is a war between their own ignorance and those they have stupidly been indoctrinated to hate.
They prefer to play by the rigged rules. If you do something, it's against the rules and you have to pay a penalty, if they do the same thing, there's a special exception that lets them skip to the front of the line. It's the fantasy "Make America Great Again" these MAGA bigots have been praying for, where everything is just handed to them by the nearest immigrant who smiles and says "Thank you Massa! For even lettin' me be here!", where white affirmative action is back with a vengeance and the entire country runs for them, by them. That's what these MAGAites desire most, an uneven playing field because they're whiny weak wittle white bigots who know they can't win if anyone else is given even a tiny window of a level playing field. They play reality like their dear Leader plays golf, they're always perfect, they've never missed a shot, and anyone who says otherwise will end up on a boat in South American waters.
Are tens of thousands of people who advocated for killing little kids for ideological purposes currently on a ballot receiving unanimous support from their party?
Jay Jones" is now your all purpose weapon.
A politician admitting he wants little kids to die and not being asked to step down is unprecedented.
That's exactly how we got Trump. When a President commits felonies in office and it got handwaved away, Republicans realized they needed to play the game like Democrats.
Now both parties are playing by the same "only winning matters" rulebook.
They kinda are. He referred to them as "little fascists" and their mother as "evil".
Fair play.
You do understand the hypocrisy of downplaying his text messages on a seed trying to create outrage over text messages, yes?