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MAGA Is Eating Itself Alive

  
Via:  John Russell  •  11 months ago  •  15 comments


MAGA Is Eating Itself Alive
And yet, somehow, MAGA staggers on, laying waste to the American political structure and doing horrifying real-world harm: children have died of cholera in South Sudan after devastating USAID cuts. Whooping cough and measles cases have surged in the United States amidst RFK Jr.’s continued campaign to install his friends and ideological fellow-travelers in positions of power at HHS. The siege on immigrants and Americans of color continues, with ICE and DHS presiding over a viciously,...

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MAGA Is Eating Itself Alive
December 19, 2025 | Mother Jones
Author/Byline: Anna Merlan

Sometime this week in an undisclosed location, two powerful figures sat down for tense negotiations, hoping to end a cold war that had, in recent days, turned very hot. The talks were not a success, with one participant dubbing some of what the other side presented as “fake and gay.” Tensions, it’s fair to say, continued unabated.In this case, the combatants were Turning Point USA CEO Erika Kirk and far-right one-woman chaos machine Candace Owens. They met to discuss Owens’ relentless trafficking of conspiracy theories about the murder of Kirk’s husband, TPUSA founder and leader Charlie. Owens, a former TPUSA communications director and close friend of the slain leader, has continued her descent into gutter antisemitism by suggesting that his assassination was orchestrated by the Israeli state, as well as suggesting that Egyptian military planes and France also may have been involved, before eventually tweeting that it’s “likely” that “the same people who killed JFK killed Charlie.”

Turning Point staff have also merited her suspicion, and she tweeted last week, “I now can say with full confidence that I believe Charlie Kirk was betrayed by the leadership of Turning Point USA and some of the very people who eulogized him on stage.”As The Bulwark’s Will Sommer wrote, all this conspiratorial churn has put Owens in the midst of an all-out war with virtually everyone else in right-wing media. Right-wing podcaster and diehard beanie-wearer Tim Pool, who is not known for consistently breaking ranks with right-wing extremists, spoke loudly for the group when he dubbed her a “fucking evil scumbag” and a “degenerate cunt.” After Erika Kirk’s four-hour meeting with Owens to try to tamp down her wild accusations, Kirk emerged describing it as being “very productive.” As CNN reported, she even brought in a lawyer to explain to Owens how the investigation of her husband’s death worked. Suspicious as ever, Owens emerged, dismissing a police affidavit outlining evidence in the Kirk shooting “fake and gay.”Their war will likely continue, but it’s just one of dozens of feuds, internecine wars, and petty beefs rivening MAGA from top-to-bottom. As far-right British political activist Raheem Kaseem told Axios, the result of it all is a “cacophony of grifters.”

The broad Trump coalition is ending its first year back in power more divided than ever. From the White House to the conspiracy media-verse, at what should be their moment of greatest strength, MAGA simply cannot stop both constant covert sniping and the occasional outright brawl.Aside from the ongoing Candace Owens situation—a phrase that will surely become part of the national conversation in the years ahead —TPUSA also saw some robust infighting at their big AmericaFest gathering, where Politico reports that headline speakers Tucker Carlson and Ben Shapiro threw bitchy little digs at one another from onstage and off. “If you host a Hitler apologist, Nazi-loving, anti-American piece of refuse like Nick Fuentes, you ought to own it,” Shapiro said, a continuation of a particularly bleak piece of infighting on the right about how much antisemitism in the movement is too much.Outside the malodorous confines of AmericaFest, the public squabbles and unseemly jockeying for position go all the way to the top.

Chaos erupted this week after Vanity Fair published an explosive article featuring quotes from White House Chief of Staff Susie Wiles, who has, for reasons even she can’t seem to explain, been speaking to reporter Chris Whipple for eleven sit-down interviews. In those chats, which she fit in while managing various crises created by her boss, she called Vice President JD Vance “a conspiracy theorist,” said Attorney General Pam Bondi “completely whiffed” the handling of the Epstein files controversy, and said Trump himself has “an alcoholic’s personality,” an analysis the president, who famously doesn’t drink, told the New York Post he agreed with.Wiles has responded by calling the article “a hit piece”—without exactly disputing any of its contents—and the White House has made a show of supporting her in public, even as the Washington Post reports they were taken by surprise by the splashy story. According to some reporting, Wiles may have thought she was speaking to Whipple for a book. Meanwhile, top administration officials cannot clearly explain why they posed for a photo to accompany the article, nor what they thought Vanity Fair was going to publish.

The president’s most relentless loyalty enforcer, Laura Loomer has ended her extremely busy year of ferreting out perceived dissenters and getting people fired whom she deemed insufficiently loyal to the MAGA cause by tattling on them to the president and tweeting angrily about their ostensible betrayals. In Washington, the term “Loomered” has come to mean not just fired, but thoroughly exiled from both the government and the movement. (“Another LOOMERED SCALP!” she exulted on Twitter/X last week, celebrating the fact that the White House has withdrawn their selection for deputy NSA director.)Loomering is the most targeted of MAGA infighting, as opposed to the more chaotic, impulsive set of feuds and implosions that are more commonly on display. In the ultimate conflict between giants that you’ve probably already forgotten about, Donald Trump and Elon Musk declared their friendship to be null and void earlier this year, and the current status of their bromance remains uncertain. Although Musk did recently reappear at a formal White House dinner to celebrate Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman. (No one in the U.S. government is feuding with bin Salman, despite his reported approval of the brutal execution of journalist Jamal Khashoggi in 2018; some things apparently aren’t serious enough to merit a squabble.)Meanwhile, one of Donald Trump’s strongest foot-soldiers, Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA) announced that she’ll be stepping down in January, after Trump dubbed her a “traitor” and a “lunatic.” Her unforgiveable transgression was that she objected to the administration’s handling of the Epstein files. “Loyalty should be a two-way street,” Greene declared in her resignation announcement.

And elsewhere in the Trump administration, the FBI’s deputy director Dan Bongino is also stepping down, having made it clear that he hopes to return to a far more comfortable job as a right-wing talking head attacking the Deep State instead of working for it. Bongino spent much of his tenure feuding with Bondi over the handling of the Epstein files, when he wasn’t complaining about how hard it is to be required to go to an office.Bongino and his boss, Kash Patel also found time to feud with Rep. Thomas Massie (R-Kentucky), who accused them of trying to ferret out and punish a whistleblower at the FBI. Massie—who has been unusually independent for a GOP member of Congress (which is not saying much, and should not be interpreted as praise, but still)—has said that the whistleblower has been trying to make a disclosure regarding the bureau’s ongoing investigation into pipe bombs that were placed at the Republican and Democratic national headquarters on January 5, 2021. A suspect in the case was arrested on December 4; Massie has made it clear that he believes the FBI arrested the wrong person, tweeting that his FBI source has no confidence that the suspect is “capable or motivated” of having committed the crime. Massie is one of several House Republicans who have baselessly suggested the pipe bombings were an inside job. As evidence, Massie shared a now-retracted story by The Blaze accusing a Capitol Police officer of being the bomber.Outside the Trump administration and in the wilds of right-wing influencers, Charlie Kirk’s death has been the catalyst for a brushfire of altercations, far beyond the confines of the one between his widow and Owens. His absence has opened up a power vacuum that other far-right figures have been unsubtly jockeying to fill. Longtime Kirk nemesis Nick Fuentes, a white supremacist and vile weirdo, is attempting to expand his own influence, sitting down for a friendly interview in October with Tucker Carlson that immediately incited a broad and ongoing MAGA civil war. After the Heritage Foundation’s President Kevin Roberts defended the interview, the staff and board of the organization revolted; two more board members quit this week.

As evidenced in the Shapiro-Carlson smackdown at AmericaFest, the hard feelings over Fuentes’ presence in the movement have not abated.Needless to say, that’s not all.In September, Owen Shroyer, one of the top hosts on the conspiracy network Infowars, left the company due to disagreements with founder Alex Jones. Shroyer, who previously served two months in prison on misdemeanor trespassing charges after being on the Capitol grounds on January 6, 2021, said he argued with Jones about whether Shroyer was “too anti-Trump” and “too negative.” But despite the acrimony, Shroyer said he will always respect the Infowars founder.Jones did not agree, and has been posting wounded tweets for months, accusing Shroyer of just “mailing it in” when he’s not calling him an “evil agent.” Similarly, multiple staff members working for MAGA gossip blogger Jessica Reed Kraus, a.k.a. Houseinhabit, quit earlier this year and have been trading social media barbs with her ever since. (The drama that has frankly been both too boring and convoluted even for me to consider covering, but according to one former staffer named Emilie Hagen, it allegedly involves disagreements over how Kraus covered and befriended disgraced former New York magazine writer Olivia Nuzzi, who was involved inher own extremely serious public feud recently.)The names, allegations, fights, and feuds pile up; alliances shift, re-form, and then immediately collapse.

And yet, somehow, MAGA staggers on, laying waste to the American political structure and doing horrifying real-world harm: children have died of cholera in South Sudan after devastating USAID cuts. Whooping cough and measles cases have surged in the United States amidst RFK Jr.’s continued campaign to install his friends and ideological fellow-travelers in positions of power at HHS. The siege on immigrants and Americans of color continues, with ICE and DHS presiding over a viciously, gleefully cruel set of mass deportations and various forms of broad-scale discrimination and psychological torture, with an assist from the Supreme Court. MAGA’s constant infighting is as hilarious as it is pointless—and yet, unlike their friendships, the true and lasting damage this exhausting group of people have wrought shows no signs of ending.


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JohnRussell
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1  seeder  JohnRussell    11 months ago

It might be tempting to say this is all a sideshow circus, but there are no more "normie" Republicans, at least not any with any power. 

The right wing media freaks drive their narrative now. Even Nick Fuentes, a self described racist and anti-semite, gets millions of views. 

At the least, these vindictive grifters and weirdos get as much of a viewing audience as mainstream media gets today.  They are MAGA. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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1.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @1    11 months ago
Even Nick Fuentes, a self described racist and anti-semite, gets millions of views. 

Fuentes entire career is built on foreign bots and attention from left wing media. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.1.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @1.1    11 months ago

Its all a circus and freakshow, but that is the MAGA  Republican Party now.  These people are all folks who have been on the ins with Trump at one time or another.  Tucker Carlson, who Trump greatly admires, gave Fuentes a very friendly platform a couple months ago. 

 
 
 
bugsy
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1.1.2  bugsy  replied to  Sean Treacy @1.1    11 months ago
Fuentes entire career is built on foreign bots and attention from left wing media.

[✘] To this day, I have never looked the guy up...Don't care.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2  seeder  JohnRussell    11 months ago

If Charlie Kirk was the most important person (not named DJ Trump) in the right wing universe, what does that make his wife and all the people she is feuding with ? 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3  seeder  JohnRussell    11 months ago
December 19, 2025 | Daily Beast, The
Author/Byline: Ewan Palmer |
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Turning Point USA's first AmericaFest conference without the group's slain leader has descended into petty infighting among some of MAGA's most prominent figures.

In an extraordinary opening night, right-wing influencers vying for control over the future of the conservative movement publicly aired grievances against one another onstage, as the civil war erupting among President Donald Trump's supporters played out in real time.

Among the attack lines hurled at the event, which was supposed to memorialize TPUSA founder Charlie Kirk following his murder in September, were jabs at former Fox News host Tucker Carlson for his softball interview with white nationalist and Holocaust denier Nick Fuentes, as well as criticism of right-wing figures who failed to call out podcaster Candace Owens for spreading conspiracy theories about Kirk's killing.

Political commentator Ben Shapiro delivered some of the most vitriolic attacks, blasting the "frauds and grifters" dominating headlines in the MAGA world. He noted in his speech that Kirk "despised" the "evil troll" Fuentes, and said offering him any sort of platform was "an act of moral imbecility."

"That is precisely what Tucker Carlson did. He built Nick Fuentes up, and you ought to take responsibility for that," Shapiro said.

"Just as you ought to take responsibility for glazing pornographer and alleged sex trafficker Andrew Tate, or for mainstreaming fake historian and pseudo–Nazi apologist Darryl Cooper as America's best and most honest popular historian," Shapiro added.

Shapiro also used one of MAGA's favored slurs to attack Owens for pushing baseless claims about Kirk's murder, including suggestions that Israeli intelligence was involved or that Turning Point USA itself was somehow to blame.

"In motive accusations, conspiracy theories, and just gasping questions—that's lazy and stupid and misleading. None of them are a substitute for truth. None of them are a substitute for evidence," Shapiro said. "So when Candace Owens says, 'I don't know, but I know,' that is ret

Elsewhere, Shapiro blasted commentator Megyn Kelly for "shying away" from condemning Owens, and described top Trump ally Steve Bannon as someone who was "once a PR flack for Jeffrey Epstein."

Carlson fired back almost immediately, opening his own speech that night by joking, "I just got here, and I feel like I missed the first part of the program. Hope I didn't miss anything meaningful."

He also mocked Shapiro for calling for "deplatforming and denouncing people at a Charlie Kirk event. This is hilarious."

Erika Kirk, the widow of the Turning Point USA founder, predicted there would be tensions between the warring MAGA figures during her own speech.

"You won't agree with everyone on this stage this weekend," she said. "And that's OK. Welcome to America."

Elsewhere at AmericaFest, arguments nearly turned physical. Videos posted online showed Blaze host John Doyle confronting one of Fuentes' supporters, known as Groypers, who frequently attempt to gatecrash mainstream GOP conferences that they are banned from attending.

As noted by The Bulwark's Will Sommer, infighting over attempts to mainstream Fuentes' extremist views is at the center of MAGA turmoil in the wake of Kirk's death.

"Watching TPUSA convention, it's striking how much Charlie Kirk's firewall against Nick Fuentes and white nationalism has evaporated after his murder," Sommer posted on X.

"Charlie Kirk was Nick Fuentes's arch-enemy, and Fuentes tormented Kirk right up until his murder. Three months later, speakers and audience members at Kirk's convention are eager to welcome Fuentes into the GOP."

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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4  Bob Nelson    11 months ago

These people are clearly delusional... borderline insane. But... they have real power.

America 2025.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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5  Nerm_L    11 months ago

So, where are the neoliberals and neocons in all this infighting?  Seems they are notable for their absence.  Like it or not, Donald Trump has brought Abraham Lincoln back to forefront of Republican figures.

The current infighting within the Republican Party is less significant than the changes to the political landscape.  Republicans really have begun changing their views on the role of government.  Today's Republicans are not claiming that doing away with government will solve all problems.  Some of the Republican infighting is being driven by changing support for military interventionism.  That's a new (or renewed) political reality that Democrats are being forced to compete with.  

Reagan era politics have been swept aside.  The seeded article doesn't highlight any conflict with Reagan stalwarts.  The nature of the Republican infighting does indicate that the change in politics is permanent (for now).  Reagan won't be coming back anytime soon.  Reagan losing importance also means Clinton is becoming irrelevant.  And that means Democrats' politics has lost a lot of significance and relevance, too.    

 
 
 
JBB
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6  JBB    11 months ago

original

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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6.1  Nerm_L  replied to  JBB @6    11 months ago

How will Democrats adopting Candace Owens as their red-haired step child prepare the party for what's coming?  

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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6.1.1  sandy-2021492  replied to  Nerm_L @6.1    11 months ago
How will Democrats adopting Candace Owens as their red-haired step child prepare the party for what's coming?

As if.  They're just enjoying the mud wrestling.  They don't like either of the pigs involved.  And they don't need to take sides.

"Never interfere with your enemy while he's in the process of destroying himself." - Napoleon, probably.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Professor Expert
6.1.2  Nerm_L  replied to  sandy-2021492 @6.1.1    11 months ago
"Never interfere with your enemy while he's in the process of destroying himself." - Napoleon, probably.

Who says Republicans, MAGA, or TPUSA are destroying themselves?  Better look again.  

 
 
 
bugsy
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6.1.3  bugsy  replied to  Nerm_L @6.1.2    11 months ago

It is the same game leftists play every 2/4 years. They try to make it look as if the Republican party is collapsing, there is infighting, and hoping republican voters will feel like all is lost and no reason to go vote.

This cycle is no different.

However, the old adage is still true.

If democrats are accusing republicans of something, you can damn well be sure the leftists either are doing or have done what they are accusing. 

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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6.1.4  Nerm_L  replied to  bugsy @6.1.3    11 months ago
It is the same game leftists play every 2/4 years. They try to make it look as if the Republican party is collapsing, there is infighting, and hoping republican voters will feel like all is lost and no reason to go vote.

That game is intended to avoid introspection.  Republicans have done the same thing many times.  But the Republican shift away from Reagan/Clinton neoliberal and neocon politics really has changed everything.

For example:  What are immigrant's views on home and family traditions?  Are immigrants adopting the Democrats' views on feminism and women's liberation?  Women are beginning to complain that children and family are becoming an unobtainable part of the American dream.  Being a homemaker is no longer a viable choice for an increasing number of women.  Government provided childcare does not free women from being wage slaves.  Abortion and a nanny state serves the interests of multi-national corporations and not the interests of women.  No amount of game playing will continue to hide the shift in our society resulting from increased immigration and more traditional desires of some women.  Most women are beginning to awaken to the fact that corporate American will not provide fulfillment.

What will Democrats' do as cracks appear in their buttress of feminine liberation into wage slavery? 

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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6.1.5  sandy-2021492  replied to  Nerm_L @6.1.2    11 months ago

No Democrats are adopting Candace Owen's, but you claim they are.

I wonder why Elise Stefanik jumped ship.  Is it because MAGA is so solid?

 
 

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