╌>

It’s Called Imperialism - Or maybe the old-fashioned term: “conquest”

  
Via:  John Russell  •  8 months ago  •  22 comments


It’s Called Imperialism  -  Or maybe the old-fashioned term: “conquest”
Traditional neoconservatives saw promoting democracy and doing nation-building in the world as a moral good, even if it was done at gunpoint. And they viewed those as a means of transforming adversaries wholesale and extending American influence by spreading ideas. The Trump administration’s approach, so far, leaves internal politics to the rival nations as long as they show obeisance.

Leave a comment to auto-join group NEWSMucks

NEWSMucks


S E E D E D   C O N T E N T


The NY Times calls it “destroy and deal.”   But it’s nothing new.


Soon after President Trump joined Israel in launching a new   war   against   Iran, an A.I.  video  featuring Secretary of State Marco Rubio circulated online.

Clad in a black turban and robe, he presides over an Iranian military parade, speaks at a mosque and gazes over the Tehran skyline. The caption: “Marco Rubio realizing he’s the new Supreme Leader of   Iran.” Though intended as satire, the video crystallizes a pivotal moment for Mr. Rubio.

Throughout his long political career, Mr. Rubio has advocated toppling governments hostile to the United States. He was once considered so ideologically out of step with Mr. Trump that many officials and politicians doubted he would last a year in the administration. But today, Mr. Rubio is  at the helm  of Mr. Trump’s  aggressive campaigns  to reshape the governments of   Iran, Venezuela, Cuba and beyond.

The U.S. president, who promised to end American wars, is now  embracing  the policies backed by Mr. Rubio and the secretary’s ideological compatriots,  dismaying supporters  who thought Mr. Trump had ushered in a new era of  military restraint .

But Mr. Rubio is not trying to convert Mr. Trump to George W. Bush-era  neoconservatism , which sought to remold other nations’ political systems, sometimes with military force, American officials and analysts say. Instead, he seems to be pursuing a new approach built on power free of principle. It is a merger of neoconservatism with Mr. Trump’s transactionalism, and it amounts to using U.S. military and economic power to turn authoritarian countries into client states.

It is regime compliance rather than regime change, a doctrine of destroy and deal.

Traditional neoconservatives saw promoting democracy and doing nation-building in the world as a moral good, even if it was done at gunpoint. And they viewed those as a means of transforming adversaries wholesale and extending American influence by spreading ideas. The Trump administration’s approach, so far, leaves internal politics to the rival nations as long as they show obeisance.

As long as they show obeisance.

Yeah, this kind of thing has been done since time began. It’s nothing new. It’s uncivilized and monumentally dangerous for us — and the rest of the world.

After WWII it was understood that psychopaths like Trump and Rubio could not be in charge of any civilized country, the United States included. After all, we are not the only country with world destroying nuclear weapons although we have more of them than anyone else. And because Trump is tearing up the existing world order with nothing but chaos and violence to replace it, there will be many more before long. The way things are going, the catastrophic decision to launch one will be aimed at us.


Tags

jrGroupDiscuss - desc
[]
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
1  seeder  JohnRussell    8 months ago
Because Trump is a dictator in the making he has no problem with maintaining dictators in various countries around the world, as long as they pay him tribute (money) and homage. 
 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
2  Sean Treacy    8 months ago

psychopaths like Trump and Rubio

2028 talking point getting started, trump was bad, but Rubio is so much worse….

the left has always a new, even more Hitler than the last Nazi on deck to scare their voters with 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
2.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @2    8 months ago

1

Do you agree ?

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
2.2  Ozzwald  replied to  Sean Treacy @2    8 months ago
the left has always a new, even more Hitler than the last Nazi on deck to scare their voters with

The only politician to call Trump a Hitler was...

images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ6_BFrH57MXhudgE_4BqCNRTLpFwc3BBLmDA&s

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Professor Participates
2.2.1  Right Down the Center  replied to  Ozzwald @2.2    8 months ago

Gemini

Numerous Democratic politicians and strategists have publicly compared     to     or referenced Nazi-era Germany when discussing his rhetoric and policies.  
Notable Comparisons
original
  (U.S. Representative):   Has repeatedly referred to Trump as   "Temu Hitler"   and a   "wannabe Hitler,"   arguing that his rhetoric promotes a "culture of violence."
original
  (U.S. Representative):   Has compared Trump's presidency to the 1930s in Germany, explicitly stating that he equates the current political climate to when   Adolf Hitler was elected chancellor   in 1932.
original
  (U.S. Representative):   In a 2019 speech to the NAACP, he compared Trump's rise to Hitler's, warning that   "democracy is under severe threat"   and that the public must remain vigilant against tyranny.
original
  (Governor & 2024 VP Nominee):   Accused Trump of descending into "madness" and criticized his reported comments expressing a desire for   "the kind of generals that Hitler had."
original
  (Vice President):   During the 2024 campaign, she described Trump's reported praise for Hitler as   "deeply troubling and incredibly dangerous,"   and agreed with assessments labeling him a   fascist .
original
  (U.S. President):   His campaign frequently linked Trump to Hitler, particularly highlighting Trump's use of terms like   "vermin"   to describe political opponents, which Biden noted mirrored the language used in 1930s Germany.
original
  (Texas State Representative):   Used social media to refer to Trump as   "Temu Hitler"   following similar comments by   .  
Other Related Commentary
original
  (Former Senator/Analyst):   Suggested in 2023 that Trump was   "more dangerous"   than both Hitler and Mussolini.
original
  &  
Aisha Mills
  (Strategists):   Have both linked Trump to Hitler in various media appearances.
original
  (U.S. Senator):   While a Democrat, Fetterman has notably   criticized   his party members for these comparisons, urging them to stop calling Trump "Hitler" or an "autocrat."  
 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
2.2.2  Ozzwald  replied to  Right Down the Center @2.2.1    8 months ago
or referenced Nazi-era Germany

full

 
 
 
GregTx
Professor Participates
2.2.3  GregTx  replied to  Ozzwald @2.2.2    8 months ago
Numerous Democratic politicians and strategists have publicly compared  

Donald Trump

  to  

Adolf Hitler

In case you missed that part...

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Professor Participates
2.2.4  Right Down the Center  replied to  Ozzwald @2.2.2    8 months ago

256

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
2.2.5  Ozzwald  replied to  GregTx @2.2.3    8 months ago
In case you missed that part...

In case you missed it, the only politician to compare Trump directly to Hitler was his vice president.

 
 
 
GregTx
Professor Participates
2.2.6  GregTx  replied to  Ozzwald @2.2.5    8 months ago

Right!  Right!  Right!..../s

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
2.2.7  Ozzwald  replied to  GregTx @2.2.6    8 months ago
Right!  Right!  Right!

politics-grand_old_party_maxim-republican_party-2016_presidential_election-see_hear_speak_no_trump-cartoon-EC345581_low.jpg

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Professor Participates
2.2.8  Right Down the Center  replied to  Ozzwald @2.2.5    8 months ago

keep-on-dancin

 
 
 
Hallux
Professor Principal
2.2.9  Hallux  replied to  Right Down the Center @2.2.8    8 months ago

Temu Hitler ... has a nice satirical ring to it.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Guide
2.2.10  Sparty On  replied to  Hallux @2.2.9    8 months ago

Only to the triggered.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Guide
3  Sparty On    8 months ago

[✘]

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sparty On @3    8 months ago

Your comment borders on trolling. Are you that unable to address an issue?

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Guide
3.1.1  Sparty On  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1    8 months ago

[✘]

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sparty On @3    8 months ago
 It is a merger of neoconservatism with Mr. Trump’s transactionalism, and it amounts to using U.S. military and economic power to turn authoritarian countries into client states. It is regime compliance rather than regime change, a doctrine of destroy and deal.

In case it eludes you, this is the issue brought up in the seed

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Guide
3.2.1  Sparty On  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2    8 months ago

Nothing missed on my part.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.2.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sparty On @3.2.1    8 months ago

All everyone sees is your complete inability to discuss the topic. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Guide
3.2.3  Sparty On  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2.2    8 months ago

Don’t care about that opinion but I do see you.    Oh yeah.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
4  Ozzwald    8 months ago
Traditional neoconservatives saw promoting democracy and doing nation-building in the world as a moral good, even if it was done at gunpoint.

I guess we now know who they look up to.

lysander-the-peacemaker-v0-isilt5g8f3gb1.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=4d3fe5cbebc824cd9fccfcd9168a35b0743346f6

 
 

Who is online




138 visitors