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There is no such thing as an “abortion survivor” (02/25/2019)

  
Via:  MrFrost  •  5 years ago  •  50 comments

By:   Mr. Frost

There is no such thing as an “abortion survivor” (02/25/2019)
This is not a practice that exists, yet the bill seeks to criminalize it.

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There is no such thing as an “abortion survivor”


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The US Senate is set to vote on a bill to protect “ abortion survivors ” today (Feb. 25.)

The bill, introduced by Nebraska senator Ben Sasse, a Republican, would “ prohibit a health care practitioner   from failing to exercise the proper degree of care in the case of a child who survives an abortion or attempted abortion.”

In other words, the bill peddles the false narrative that abortions happening later in pregnancies could result in live babies left to die by physicians who fail to provide care that would otherwise keep them alive and healthy. This is not a practice that exists, yet the bill seeks to criminalize it.

The measure is misleading in other ways. An abortion is performed with the intention of ending a pregnancy, so there are no survivors. What the bill’s sponsors seem to be targeting are the rare situations in which a woman decides to have abortion at the later stages in her pregnancy because it can’t proceed healthily for her, the fetus, or both.

Why do the lawmakers talk of survivors?


The Sasse bill would only apply to a sliver of abortions that happen late in pregnancy—which are already a small fraction of all abortions.

The usual procedure for these type of abortions is “dilation and evacuation”—similar to an aspiration abortion, except the birth canal needs to be dilated since the fetus is larger. The fetus dies before it leaves the birth canal. But in some cases, in very advanced stages of pregnancy, women have so-called induction abortion, which is similar to labor. It is done rarely because it’s a riskier procedure, and it can lead to the fetus leaving the body alive, albeit in a terminal state.

The practice at this point is to give the baby hospice care, though Sasse’s bill would require doctors to medically intervene, potentially prolonging the suffering of both mother and child, and disregarding the painful decision that the woman had to make beforehand.

How common are later-term abortions?


The percentage of women seeking abortions at this stage in their pregnancy is very small— likely well below 1% —and in 43 states the procedure is legal only in case of   grave health concern   for the mother, rape, or incest. Even where elective later-term abortions are allowed, they are not easily available. Only   a handful of doctors   in America perform the procedure, which women overwhelmingly seek because of some serious fetal issue was overlooked in previous testing, or due to severe psychiatric issues on the mother’s part.

In the few states that allow abortions after viability, a woman might decide to end her pregnancy after the doctor has told her that her fetus has very serious conditions that are either incompatible with life or would condemn it to a painful, and often short, life. It is a typically a heartbreaking, traumatic experience, and often a tragic choice for wanted pregnancies that are no longer viable.

Rather than having a stillbirth, going through with a hopeless pregnancy, or delivering a babies with   terrible abnormalities , women have the choice to have an abortion. Were it to pass, Sasse’s bill would deny women the choice of sparing themselves and their babies from extra trauma and pain, because it would either force doctors to provide care that would prolong the suffering, or potentially even dissuade them for performing the procedure for fear of prosecution.


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MrFrost
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1  seeder  MrFrost    5 years ago

If you don't like abortions, don't get one. Seems pretty simple to me. 

It never ceases to amaze me that pro-lifers almost never line up to adopt 10 or 20 kids, and they always vote against welfare. They are pro-birth, not pro-life. They just don't want women making decisions for themselves, that's what it really boils down to. 

 
 
 
Gordy327
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1.1  Gordy327  replied to  MrFrost @1    5 years ago
If you don't like abortions, don't get one. Seems pretty simple to me. 

I tend to think so too. But apparently for some, it's too complicated. They seem to want no choice at all, which really simplifies the issue.

They are pro-birth, not pro-life.

Exactly.

They just don't want women making decisions for themselves, that's what it really boils down to. 

And some act all sanctimonious about it too.

 
 
 
Gordy327
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1.1.2  Gordy327  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1.1.1    5 years ago

Is there supposed to be a point? Or is copy & pasting nonsense all you have to offer?

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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1.1.5  Sean Treacy  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1.1.3    5 years ago

 portion of an article about an abortion survivor off topic to a a topic denying that there are abortion survivors?

Because irrational zealots don't like their make believe world view challenged. 

 
 
 
Gordy327
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1.1.7  Gordy327  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1.1.4    5 years ago
The deleted comment refuted the contention of the seed that there are no abortion survivors by pointing one out and some of her words.  

I know what it said. All it pointed out was someone's claim. I have yet to see anything to collaborate the story.

 
 
 
Gordy327
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1.1.8  Gordy327  replied to  Sean Treacy @1.1.5    5 years ago
Because irrational zealots don't like their make believe world view challenged. 

Oh the irony of that statement.

 
 
 
JBB
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1.1.9  JBB  replied to  Sean Treacy @1.1.5    5 years ago

Make believe? As in you guys believing that there are such things as abortion survivors?

 
 
 
Gordy327
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1.1.12  Gordy327  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1.1.10    5 years ago

Such an irrational statement. More irony.

 
 
 
Gordy327
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1.1.13  Gordy327  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1.1.11    5 years ago

Which is not collaborated and quite suspect too!

 
 
 
Gordy327
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1.1.15  Gordy327  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1.1.14    5 years ago

Why are you asking me? I'm not the author or seeder of this article. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
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1.1.16  seeder  MrFrost  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1.1.14    5 years ago

How exactly is a portion of an article about an abortion survivor off topic to a a topic denying that there are abortion survivors?  Remind me not to post to any seeds you have moderating powers over.  Talk about a a case of viewpoint discrimination content control.  

You posted a link to an article that is already here on NT. If you want to post on that article, do so, it's not the same article as this one. Last warning. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
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1.1.17  seeder  MrFrost  replied to  Sean Treacy @1.1.5    5 years ago

Because irrational zealots don't like their make believe world view challenged. 

Wrong. 

 
 
 
charger 383
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2  charger 383    5 years ago

Having more kids than you can afford leads to generations of poverty, it is a repeating cycle

 
 
 
Gordy327
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2.1  Gordy327  replied to  charger 383 @2    5 years ago
Having more kids than you can afford leads to generations of poverty, it is a repeating cycle

And yet, some anti-choicers want women to continue to have kids regardless if they are impoverished or not by taking away their choice. It's quite short sighted. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
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3  seeder  MrFrost    5 years ago

Heading for bed, play nice please. 

 
 
 
devangelical
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3.1  devangelical  replied to  MrFrost @3    5 years ago

it might be better to lock a wedge issue seed than to create the impression it will be temporarily without moderation to the local anti-choice vermin.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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3.1.1  seeder  MrFrost  replied to  devangelical @3.1    5 years ago

True, guess I have a lingering hope that people will try to have a civil discussion on wedge issues. 

 
 

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