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Arab states call on Hamas to disarm and relinquish power in unprecedented move

  
Via:  Nerm_L  •  last year  •  27 comments

By:   Nadeen Ebrahim (CNN)

Arab states call on Hamas to disarm and relinquish power in unprecedented move
We welcomed the readiness expressed by some Member States to contribute in troops

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Saudi Arabia has chosen a side.  That's a significant realignment within Middle Eastern geopolitics.  Now Saudi Arabia needs to join the Abraham accords and show good faith toward ensuring security for Israel.  Benjamin Netanyahu's intransigence is understandable but Arab states condemning Hamas and offering security guarantees means this time really is different.


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Arab and Muslim states including Qatar, Saudi Arabia and Egypt have for the first time issued a joint call for Hamas to disarm and relinquish power in the Gaza Strip as part of efforts to end the war in the territory.

The 22-member Arab League, the entire European Union and another 17 countries backed a declaration signed at a United Nations conference co-hosted by Saudi Arabia and France on Tuesday.

The meeting in New York aimed to address “the peaceful settlement of the question of Palestine and the implementation of the Two-State Solution,” and the declaration lays out what steps the signatories think should be taken next.

“Governance, law enforcement and security across all Palestinian territory must lie solely with the Palestinian Authority, with appropriate international support,” the joint document read, adding that “in the context of ending the war in Gaza, Hamas must end its rule in Gaza and hand over its weapons to the Palestinian Authority, with international engagement and support, in line with the objective of a sovereign and independent Palestinian State.”

The text also condemned the deadly October 7, 2023 attack by Hamas on Israel, and proposed the deployment of “a temporary international stabilization mission” upon invitation by the PA and “under the aegis of the United Nations.”

“We welcomed the readiness expressed by some Member States to contribute in troops,” it said.

France, who co-chaired the conference, called the declaration “unprecedented.”

Speaking at the UN Tuesday, Jean-Noël Barrot, the French foreign minister, said that “on the part of Saudi Arabia and the Arab and Muslim countries who for the first time will condemn terrorism, the acts of terror on the 7th of October, a call for the disarmament of Hamas and expressed their hope to have a normalized relationship with Israel in due time.”

The Hostages and Missing Families Forum commended the declaration, saying: “We welcome this important progress and the Arab League’s recognition that Hamas must end its rule in Gaza. Kidnapping innocent men, women, and children is a blatant violation of international law and must be unequivocally condemned.”

Both mediators in ceasefire negotiations, Qatar and Egypt have maintained ties with Hamas and Israel throughout the war.

In March, a plan for Gaza formulated by Egypt excluded Hamas from governance of the enclave once the war ends, a draft of the plan obtained by CNN showed.

The plan was discussed by Arab leaders meeting in Cairo in an emergency summit, with Egypt’s president proposing a Palestinian committee to temporarily govern Gaza – taking over from Hamas and eventually handing power to the Palestinian Authority (PA).

Saudi Arabia has repeatedly pushed for a revival of the two-state solution.

France has said it will vote to recognize a Palestinian state in September, to Israel’s dismay. The United Kingdom also said it will recognize a Palestinian state in September unless Israel agrees to a ceasefire in Gaza. Both Israel and the United States condemned France and Britain’s statements.

Hamas has, however, shown no signs of relinquishing power in the enclave, yet officials within the militant group have in the past given contradictory statements about the movement’s role in a post-war Gaza.

Israel’s Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, vehemently opposes the two-state solution, arguing that it is incompatible with his country’s security.



This story has been updated with additional developments.

CNN’s Becky Anderson contributed reporting.


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Nerm_L
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1  seeder  Nerm_L    last year

A two state solution will never work without security guarantees for Israel from the Arab states.  Defanging Iran may have finally broken the impasse.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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1.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Nerm_L @1    last year
Defanging Iran may have finally broken the impasse.

I believe that has been an instrumental part of bringing the Arab nations together to stabilize the region.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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1.2  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Nerm_L @1    last year

Unfortunately the defanging of Iran still left it with some teeth.

Canada, allies warn Iran working to ‘kill, kidnap and harass’ people abroad

Canada joined the United States and 12 European allies Thursday in condemning what they said is a “growing number of state threats” by  Iran’s  intelligence services against people abroad, including dissidents, journalists and Jewish citizens of their countries.

LINK -> Canada, allies warn Iran working to ‘kill, kidnap and harass’ people abroad - National | Globalnews.ca

 
 
 
Krishna
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1.2.1  Krishna  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.2    last year

As long as Iran’s (theocratic) government remains in power they will be a danger to other countries in the area— and in fact to several countries around the world!

(But its overthrow won’t come from outside forces— in order to succeed it must come from the people of Iran themselves. They’ve tried before but they are were brutally punished. IMO the people will eventually succeed, and bring true democracy to their country).

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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1.2.2  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Krishna @1.2.1    last year

From your lips to God's ears.

 
 
 
Krishna
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1.2.3  Krishna  replied to  Krishna @1.2.1    last year

For more information about a major Persian (“Iranian”) attempt to overthrow their totalitarian government, Google Iranian Green Movement 2009. (or use whatever search engine you prefer).

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2  Jeremy Retired in NC    last year

Given the history Hamas has against the 2 state solution it's going to take a concerted effort by all participants to ensure it stays in place.  

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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3  Sean Treacy    last year

Established Muslim busing states more rational than up and coming ones like France and Great Britain isn’t too surprising 

 
 
 
Krishna
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4  Krishna    last year

There's no quick and easy solution to the Arab-Israel conflict.

But this one seems like it may have a chance . . .

For starters, it has two of the Arab "heavy-weights" behind it (Saudi Arabia and Egypt).

 
 
 
Krishna
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4.1  Krishna  replied to  Krishna @4    last year
two of the Arab "heavy-weights" behind it (Saudi Arabia and Egypt).

For some time the Saudis felt safe and secure because of their vast oil riches. But fairly recently some of the wiser ones realized that some day their oil would run out-- so they've been looking for economic alternatives. And the Israelis are known for their entrepreneurial spirit.

In addition, there's a big split in the Muslim world-- between the Shia branch of Islam  (for example Iran) and the Sunni branch (Saudi and most of the Gulf states). Iran and the Saudis are actually enemies. 

 
 
 
Krishna
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4.2  Krishna  replied to  Krishna @4    last year

Re: Egypt— they are one of two countries bordering Gaza. On more than one occasion Hamas crazies from Gaza have crossed into Egypt & attacked Egyptians. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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4.2.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Krishna @4.2    last year

The reason Israel wants to patrol the Philadelphi Corridor is because Hamas appears to have been able to smuggle arms and military supplies from Egypt.  

 
 
 
Krishna
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4.2.2  Krishna  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @4.2.1    last year
The reason Israel wants to patrol the Philadelphi Corridor is because Hamas appears to have been able to smuggle arms and military supplies from Egypt.

There's always been a lot of news stories about Hamas' many tunnel within Gaza-- but there are also tunnels that connect Gaza with Egypt :

  IDF: Main goal of Philadelphi tunnels for firing rockets, not smuggling in weapons

The largest number of weapons is believed to have come from the Rafah Border Crossing , controlled by Egypt.
 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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4.2.3  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Krishna @4.2.2    last year

Thanks, I wasn't aware of that.

 
 
 
Krishna
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4.2.4  Krishna  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @4.2.3    last year
Thanks, I wasn't aware of that.

Actually for a long time Hamas was using the tunnels to Egypt mainly to smuggle in weapons. mostly rockts and parts to make them.

Also: at one point Egypt wanted to shut down those tunnels. They finally flooded them! Several Palesrinians in the those tunnels at the time were.killed!...

 
 
 
Krishna
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4.2.5  Krishna  replied to  Krishna @4.2.4    last year
Also: at one point Egypt wanted to shut down those tunnels. They finally flooded them! Several Palesrinians in the those tunnels at the time were.killed!...

It was a while back so I had forgotten all the details. I just googled it-- this article is from 2015!

  Reuters

Egyptian flooding drowns Gaza's tunnel business
By  Nidal Al-Mughrabi
November 4, 2015 7:41 AM EST Updated November 4, 2015

 
 
 
CB
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5  CB    last year

I am all in and excited for Hamas to disappear and let the Palestinian people choose LIFE over destruction, bombs, and death. That said, I will remind-all-what biblical prophecy "promises" that an agreement will be made in the Middle East for peace at some time (or another who knows when and where). . . and it shall be broken in its 'middle' thereabouts. . .leading to an 'ultimate' war between the countries there. 

All that written, I would accept PEACE and extended quiet from that area of the world when it allows the children to be fed and have a proper future without continuing and 'everlasting' destruction, bombings, and death!

So much for those who like to lie when they imply "all" liberals want Israel destroyed and possibly have Palestinians as their overlords. Liberals want peace (and quiet) and proper growth and development. BTW, so should all the citizens of the United States! After-all, the United States would not like (or be open one iota) another 'anybody' country to tell them when to 'jump' and how high! (So don't arrogantly suggest that another country should 'hoop jump' for our benefit.

 
 
 
Krishna
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5.1  Krishna  replied to  CB @5    last year
biblical prophecy "promises"

But what about the vast majority of Gazans who take direction from The Holy Koran and not the from the Bible?

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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5.1.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Krishna @5.1    last year
But what about the vast majority of Gazans who take direction from The Holy Koran and not the from the Bible?

You mean where it commands the Muslims to find and kill the Jews, which is likely why their Imams preach to them that The Day of Judgment will not come until the Muslims fight and kill the Jews.  Probably that, and the fact that the Hamas militants will be able to enjoy their 72 virgins while they sojourn forever in the Garden of Allah should they be killed fighting the Jews. 

Which I believe is why they will never surrender, but will continue fighting to the last militant standing, and they don't give a shit how many civilians they use as human shields should die. 

 
 
 
CB
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5.1.2  CB  replied to  Krishna @5.1    last year

What would you like me to say about it? That the two peoples are setting up their own apocalypse? That the mentioning of the Muslims after I point out the Bible similarly prophesizes its own 'ultimate solution' of sorts in the Middle East is an 'about-ism'?

Let me be real clear here. I am not a Muslim. I don't give two-'bodily air explosions' about Hamas or any group of Muslims. I am a Christian, and that has been under constant and close reflection since I realized that the Middle East is 'ridiculous' when it comes to getting to Peace, and evangelical Christians are actively  'championing' the death of innocents in faraway lands. 

Here is the Jewish 'expression' of the 'End':

The LORD’s Great Victory Over the Nations

Ezekiel 38: 


1 The word of the LORD came to me:
2 “Son of man, set your face against Gog, of the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshek and Tubal; prophesy against him
3 and say: ‘This is what the Sovereign LORD says: I am against you, Gog, chief prince of Meshek and Tubal.
4 I will turn you around, put hooks in your jaws and bring you out with your whole army—your horses, your horsemen fully armed, and a great horde with large and small shields, all of them brandishing their swords.
5 Persia, Cush and Put will be with them, all with shields and helmets,
6 also Gomer with all its troops, and Beth Togarmah from the far north with all its troops—the many nations with you.
7 “ ‘Get ready; be prepared, you and all the hordes gathered about you, and take command of them.
8 After many days you will be called to arms. In future years you will invade a land that has recovered from war, whose people were gathered from many nations to the mountains of Israel, which had long been desolate. They had been brought out from the nations, and now all of them live in safety.
9 You and all your troops and the many nations with you will go up, advancing like a storm; you will be like a cloud covering the land.
10 “ ‘This is what the Sovereign LORD says: On that day thoughts will come into your mind and you will devise an evil scheme.
11 You will say, “I will invade a land of unwalled villages; I will attack a peaceful and unsuspecting people—all of them living without walls and without gates and bars.
12 I will plunder and loot and turn my hand against the resettled ruins and the people gathered from the nations, rich in livestock and goods, living at the center of the land. ”
13 Sheba and Dedan and the merchants of Tarshish and all her villages will say to you, “Have you come to plunder? Have you gathered your hordes to loot, to carry off silver and gold, to take away livestock and goods and to seize much plunder?” ’
14 “Therefore, son of man, prophesy and say to Gog: ‘This is what the Sovereign LORD says: In that day, when my people Israel are living in safety, will you not take notice of it?
15 You will come from your place in the far north, you and many nations with you, all of them riding on horses, a great horde, a mighty army.
16 You will advance against my people Israel like a cloud that covers the land. In days to come, Gog, I will bring you against my land, so that the nations may know me when I am proved holy through you before their eyes.
17 “ ‘This is what the Sovereign LORD says: You are the one I spoke of in former days by my servants the prophets of Israel. At that time they prophesied for years that I would bring you against them.
18 This is what will happen in that day: When Gog attacks the land of Israel, my hot anger will be aroused, declares the Sovereign LORD.
19 In my zeal and fiery wrath I declare that at that time there shall be a great earthquake in the land of Israel.
20 The fish in the sea, the birds in the sky, the beasts of the field, every creature that moves along the ground, and all the people on the face of the earth will tremble at my presence. The mountains will be overturned, the cliffs will crumble and every wall will fall to the ground.
21 I will summon a sword against Gog on all my mountains, declares the Sovereign LORD. Every man’s sword will be against his brother.
22 I will execute judgment on him with plague and bloodshed; I will pour down torrents of rain, hailstones and burning sulfur on him and on his troops and on the many nations with him.
23 And so I will show my greatness and my holiness, and I will make myself known in the sight of many nations. Then they will know that I am the LORD.’

So, the 'region' has a written destiny of utter destruction from on "High" Promised by prophets.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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5.1.3  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  CB @5.1.2    last year

FIRE AND BRIMSTONE!!!   Whoever wrote the bible deserves a Pulitzer Prize. 

 
 
 
Krishna
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5.1.4  Krishna  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @5.1.3    last year
FIRE AND BRIMSTONE!!!   Whoever wrote the bible deserves a Pulitzer Prize. 

They should make a movie out of it!

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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5.1.5  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Krishna @5.1.4    last year

Parts of it have been adapted.  

 
 
 
Krishna
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5.2  Krishna  replied to  CB @5    last year
so should all the citizens of the United States!

Should!!!

I agree-- they all "should"!

 
 
 
Krishna
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5.3  Krishna  replied to  CB @5    last year
let the Palestinian people choose LIFE over destruction, bombs, and death

Don't hold your breath!

What on earth gives you the idea that they want that?

Don't believe me? Ask the Egyptians.

Or the Jordanians (after what the Palestinians did to the Jordanians during "Black September". 

The "Palestinians" have had numerous offers for their own state--Israel accepted, the Palestinians  turned them down.

And peace? They've not only murdered many Jews-- they've murdered a lot of Arabs!

 
 
 
CB
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5.3.1  CB  replied to  Krishna @5.3    last year

Only a fool would prefer to CHOOSE destruction, bombs, and death.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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6  Greg Jones    last year

It would seem to the casual observer that the Palestinians have no desire for a state, but still support Hamas, who won't surrender or release any hostages. In fact, they just keep doubling down on depravity.

In fact. Germany and Japan had to be pounded into submission at the cost of millions of innocent civilians. Hamas has to be reduced to so few militants that the various factions and tribes will take the reins of power.... heaven only knows where that will lead.

Hamas Kicks Sand in the Face of Its Eurotrash Supporters, Releases Grotesque Video of Hostage – RedState

 
 

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