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Don’t expect correct change when paying with cash, some businesses warn

  
Via:  Nerm_L  •  last year  •  22 comments

By:   Addy Bink (The Hill via MSN)

Don’t expect correct change when paying with cash, some businesses warn
As the saying goes, all good things must come to an end, and for the penny, the end may be coming sooner than expected. 

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(NEXSTAR) — As the saying goes, all good things must come to an end, and for the penny, the end may be coming sooner than expected. 

Earlier this year, President Donald Trump called on the Treasury Department to   stop minting new one-cent coins , calling them “wasteful.” A few months later, the Treasury confirmed it would stop putting new pennies into circulation in early 2026, with a spokesperson telling the Wall Street Journal in May that the final order of blanks had been placed. 

Once there are no more blanks available, the U.S. Mint   will stop producing pennies , the spokesperson said at the time. Without pennies, businesses will have to round cash transactions up or down, they added. 

While 2026 is still more than two months away, some businesses have already found themselves facing a penny shortage. 

As of late September,   several Federal Reserve coin distribution sites   have stopped fulfilling penny orders, taking penny deposits, or both.

The   National Association of Convenience Stores   warned last month that supply shortages were starting to emerge amongst its members, with more expected to be impacted. 

Nexstar’s KFOR recently confirmed that dozens of   Love’s convenience stores are being forced to round up change   in favor of the customer during cash transactions. Penny shortages were expected in mid-to-late 2026, but the timeline had been sped up, leaving at least 54 stores feeling the pinch. 

In early October, Wisconsin-based Kwik Trip announced it would   adopt a penny-free cash rounding policy . The convenience store chain said it would round down cash purchases to the nearest five cents, Nexstar’s WFRV reported. Customers can, however, still pay with pennies — if they have them.


Other retailers have been warning cash-paying customers of potential impacts as well. 

In a late-September   Reddit thread , users claiming to be Home Depot employees said their stores had   posted signs   warning of a penny shortage, telling customers they need exact change for cash transactions. The home improvement chain did not respond to Nexstar’s repeated inquiries regarding the online comments. 

Similar signs were seen at a PetSmart in Wisconsin and a   Sheetz location   in Pennsylvania.

In a statement to Nexstar, PetSmart confirmed its stores are “temporarily asking customers to pay with exact change when using cash, or to use credit, debit or other electronic payment methods.”

“We’re also offering customers the opportunity to round up their total to the nearest dollar, with the difference donated to PetSmart Charities to help pets in need,” the statement continued. “We appreciate our customers’ understanding and flexibility as we navigate this nationwide issue affecting retailers across the country.”

Nick Ruffner, public affairs manager for Sheetz, told Nexstar that some of the company’s stores “may experience limited availability of pennies.”

“To help manage this, we’re informing customers with in-store signage and encouraging the use of SheetzGo!, mobile app ordering or cashless payment options like debit and credit cards whenever possible,” Ruffner added. “Customers can also choose to trade in their extra pennies for a free self-serve drink or donate their spare pennies to support Sheetz For the Kidz. Donations can be processed through the register at all Sheetz locations to ensure all funds go directly to Sheetz For the Kidz, and the coins will then be recirculated for other customers.”

A spokesperson for Burger King also told Nexstar that while its U.S. restaurants are still accepting pennies, “exact change may not be possible” due to the shortage. Impacted Burger King locations may encourage customers to pay with exact change when using cash, they added.

There are concerns, however, about the potential confusion that rounding may cause among consumers. While Love’s and Kwik Trip are rounding in favor of the customer — rounding change up to the nearest nickel and rounding the total transaction down to the nearest nickel, respectively — there is precedent for transactions to be rounded in either direction. 

Since Canada   ditched its penny   in the early 2010s, cash purchases in the country have been rounded up or down to the nearest nickel: a $19.82 purchase becomes $19.80 while $19.83 becomes $19.85.

However, the U.S. has so far not established such a process. In a letter to the Senate Banking and House Financial Services Committees late last month, the NACS   called on lawmakers   to establish a national law that would allow businesses to round cash transactions up or down, saying that “at least ten states and localities have cash laws that would prohibit this practice.”

A   bill   to do just that (and to halt the minting of the penny) was introduced by Rep. Lisa McClain (R-Mich.) in April. The House Committee on Financial Services   recommended   that an amended version of the bill be passed. It has since been placed on the calendar; however, amid the government shutdown, it’s difficult to say when the bill could reach the House floor, if at all. 

As for now, if you’re planning to pay with cash at a store or restaurant, you may want to prepare to receive slightly more change than you’re actually owed.


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Nerm_L
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1  seeder  Nerm_L    last year

Guess now the price of everything will end in '3' to grab a free 2 cents.  Another centless act of unearned financial entitlement.

These welfare programs for the wealthy are becoming ludicrous.  

 
 
 
shona1
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1.1  shona1  replied to  Nerm_L @1    last year

Morning Nerm..not sure how you mob will work it but everything here still ends in odd cents...

It's is only the final total that is rounded up or down not individual prices...

So if you buy 6 items and they all end 3 cents, 2 cents, 7 cents etc and your total bill comes to $123.48 cents you pay $123.50...

It will cost you a heck of alot more to mint the coins out of your tax payer dollars than it does at the cash register..

It all works very well here...

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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1.1.1  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  shona1 @1.1    last year
Morning Nerm..not sure how you mob will work it but everything here still ends in odd cents...

Here is the States the odd cents on a transaction results from sales taxes applied after the sale.  Government taxes (usually sales taxes) are charged on commercial transactions regardless of method of payment.

It's is only the final total that is rounded up or down not individual prices...

Yes, the rounding acts as a transaction tax similar to sales taxes.  Card merchant fees are spread across the shelf prices so it wouldn't be difficult to round the shelf prices.  But that doesn't avoid the problem of sales taxes.

It will cost you a heck of alot more to mint the coins out of your tax payer dollars than it does at the cash register..

$118 million to mint pennies (about $0.04 apiece).  I don't know if that includes money recouped through seigniorage.  Seigniorage is an inflation tax imposed by the Federal Reserve when new currency is ordered.

Some would consider this the cost of doing business.  Neoliberals only claim they want government to run like a business so they can hide cheating the public.

 
 
 
Snuffy
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2  Snuffy    last year

Canada did it back in 2012 and the world didn't come to an end. If 3 or 4 pennies are the difference between getting a purchase and starving, I will submit that the person has much bigger issues to worry about. 

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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2.1  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  Snuffy @2    last year
Canada did it back in 2012 and the world didn't come to an end. If 3 or 4 pennies are the difference between getting a purchase and starving, I will submit that the person has much bigger issues to worry about. 

So, move to Canada.  Take the neoliberal geniuses with you.

 
 
 
Hallux
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2.1.1  Hallux  replied to  Nerm_L @2.1    last year

Snuffy is correct and everyone in Canada is happy about it except for one or two of the elderly who took sadistic pleasure in counting out a pouch of pennies at rush hour.

1 - 2 cents are rounded down and 3 - 4 cents are rounded up. No matter how hard you try haystacks are not mountains.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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2.1.2  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  Hallux @2.1.1    last year
Snuffy is correct and everyone in Canada is happy about it except for one or two of the elderly who took sadistic pleasure in counting out a pouch of pennies at rush hour. 1 - 2 cents are rounded down and 3 - 4 cents are rounded up. No matter how hard you try haystacks are not mountains.

Well, good for Canada.  But this is not Canada.

In the United States, neoliberals will ensure that everything is rounded up.  Neoliberals aren't going to give up free money.  

 
 
 
Snuffy
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2.1.3  Snuffy  replied to  Nerm_L @2.1    last year
So, move to Canada.

Fuck no!!!  They have two problems up there.  Sky dandruff (snow for those who don't know) and really cold weather. I moved to Arizona many years ago and there are a couple of weeks in December if I don't wonder if I didn't move far enough south.  

 
 
 
Snuffy
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2.1.4  Snuffy  replied to  Nerm_L @2.1.2    last year

In the United States, neoliberals will ensure that everything is rounded up.  Neoliberals aren't going to give up free money.  

And like I said, if those 4 cents are gonna break your day you have bigger issues to deal with.
 
 
 
shona1
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2.1.5  shona1  replied to  Snuffy @2.1.3    last year

Morning...glad you translated sky dandruff I didn't have a clue what you were talking about..🤣

Umm didn't Arizona just have floods?? Tad wet there at the moment?

 
 
 
Snuffy
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2.1.6  Snuffy  replied to  shona1 @2.1.5    last year

Yeah, 8 months of rain in 72 hours here in the Phoenix area. Too bad most of it ran off. A few areas around the state got hit very bad. A friend of mine lives in Globe, they have a lot of flooding in the past few years thanks to a fire that burned thru a very large area uphill from them. This time around he lost his car due to the flood. No house damage but a few belongs where so waterlogged they were destroyed. 

I had no damage near me on the west side, the majority of the rain was on the east side of the valley. 

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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2.1.7  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  Snuffy @2.1.4    last year
And like I said, if those 4 cents are gonna break your day you have bigger issues to deal with.

What does that have to do with government providing services and standing behind the country's currency?

This is just another neoliberal bright idea.  Neoliberals won't do anything that does not cheat workers, consumers, and savers.  And it's not 4 cents, it's 2 cents on every transaction.  Neoliberals would sell their soul for a 2 cent cut on every transaction. 

Hundreds of millions of payment transactions take place every day in the United States.  You actually think the neoliberals will stop at cash transactions?  Neoliberals would argue that universal rounding for all transactions would be more consistent and improve efficiency.  Forcing every transaction to round up to the nearest nickel would generate between $5 billion and $10 billion of free money each year.

The United States government cannot afford to stand behind its currency.  If the Federal government won't back its own currency then what value does it really have?

 
 
 
Hallux
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2.1.8  Hallux  replied to  Nerm_L @2.1.2    last year
Neoliberals aren't going to give up free money.

Neither are the Neocryptos and they basically got Do-What-You-Want cards in addition.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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2.1.9  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  Hallux @2.1.8    last year
Neither are the Neocryptos and they basically got Do-What-You-Want cards in addition.

So, who gets the additional money from the rounding?  Does the merchant keep it or is it added to sales taxes?

There are all manner of taxes applied to economic transactions with sales taxes being the most common.  So, will the subtotal be rounded (for the merchant) and then the total be rounded (for sales taxes)?  Otherwise there will be questions over who gets the money from rounding.  

Or should merchants be allowed to round the shelf prices?  That would be similar to how card merchant fees are handled now.  That way all transaction subtotals would add to the nearest nickel.  Then the total could be rounded for sales taxes.  

And the rounding wouldn't be limited to cash transactions.  Those paying with a card, check, or electronic transfer at the register would also pay the rounded amount.  And why would in-person transactions be handled differently than on-line or mail transactions?

 
 
 
Hallux
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2.1.10  Hallux  replied to  Nerm_L @2.1.9    last year

The rounding in Canada is only on cash transactions and they only account for 11% of all retail sales.

Once again you are imagining a nonexisting problem.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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2.1.11  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  Hallux @2.1.10    last year
The rounding in Canada is only on cash transactions and they only account for 11% of all retail sales. Once again you are imagining a nonexisting problem.

Is the rounding applied to the subtotal or to the total?  How are the proceeds from the rounding divided between merchant and government?

Here in the States there can be 3 separate sales taxes applied to one transaction.  We can have state, county, and city sales taxes.  That means the tax amounts are dependent upon location.  And it's not unusual for sales taxes to be fractions of a percent.  A sales tax of 7.65% on the subtotal isn't unusual.  So how will the tax from the rounded total be divided among the taxing authorities?  Or will the amount be rounded after each tax is applied?

Other fees can be applied to a purchase such as recycling fees, warranty fees, and shipping costs.  

The need to perform rounding for cash payment and not for electronic payment introduces complexity and current registers may not be able to accommodate the new requirement.  That problem was encountered with card merchant fees and the resolution of the problem was to average the merchant fees across shelf prices.  But that won't work for the rounding problem.

These are not nonexistent problems.  The rounding creates problems for both the merchant and the taxing authority.  With an average of 750 million transactions per day in the US, the amounts of money are not inconsequential.  

 
 
 
Hallux
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2.1.12  Hallux  replied to  Nerm_L @2.1.11    last year
Is the rounding applied to the subtotal or to the total? 

An item sold for cash at $19.97-99 will be charged at $20. An item sold for cash at $199.97-99 will be charged $200 ... buy a $9,999.97-98 item for cash and the bill will be $10,000; in all cases one is dealing with +or- 2 cents ... ouch @!@

 
 
 
Hallux
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2.1.13  Hallux  replied to  Nerm_L @2.1.11    last year
With an average of 750 million transactions per day in the US, the amounts of money are not inconsequential. 

The number of cash transactions in the USA are similar to any other modern economy: 10-12% of all retail transactions and those percentages are falling fast.

I suggest you worry more about the machinations of the cyber currency crowd who are trying to make the mint obsolete.

 
 
 
Snuffy
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2.1.14  Snuffy  replied to  Hallux @2.1.12    last year
in all cases one is dealing with +or- 2 cents

Which is why I said if that's going to make or break someone's day they have bigger problems to confront.

 
 
 
Hallux
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2.1.15  Hallux  replied to  Snuffy @2.1.14    last year

512

 
 
 
shona1
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2.2  shona1  replied to  Snuffy @2    last year

Morning Snuffs...geez you mob were late..

We got rid of 1 and 2 cent coins back in 1992...best thing we ever did..

Cost more to mint them than what they were worth...

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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3  Buzz of the Orient    last year

So much for these....

Songs with “Penny” in the title

Posted on  March 9, 2004  by  toddsattersten  under  Pennies
  • Penny – Night Ranger
  • Throw a Penny – Bee Gees
  • Druscilla Penny – The Carpenters
  • A Bad Penny – Cat Stevens
  • Penny Is Poison – The Verve Pipe
  • Penny Lane – The Beatles
  • A Penny A Kiss – Tony Martin
  • Penny Lover – Lionel Richie
  • A Penny For Your Thoughts – Willie Nelson
  • Penny for Your Thoughts – Peter Frampton
  • Penny & Me – Hanson
  • Penny’s Song – Felicia Day (Dr. Horrible’s Sing-Along Blog)
  • Penny – The National Parks
  • Penny – The Honeycutters
  • Penny – Joe Stampley & Moe Bandy
  • Pretty Penny – Stone Temple Pilots
  • Penny On the Floor – The Clark
  • Lucky Penny – JD McPherson
  • Penny On the Train Track – Ben Kweller

When I was a kid, I actually DID put pennies on the train track to flatten them out.

 
 

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