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Epstein files become a fiasco of Trump's own making

  
Via:  Nerm_L  •  last year  •  12 comments

By:   Marc Caputo (AXIOS)

Epstein files become a fiasco of Trump's own making
Promises to release the files energized Trump's conspiracy-thirsty MAGA base which saw the files involving Epstein as a chance to expose crimes among the rich and powerful.

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The stable genius didn't see this coming?  Or did Trump skip the rehearsal that explained he was now a politician and not a TV celebrity?  

Trump should have dumped the Epstein issue in Kash Patel's lap four months ago.  Too late now.  Trump owns this political screwup and he can't shift the blame onto anyone else without looking like Joe Biden.


S E E D E D   C O N T E N T


Four months ago,   President Trump   blocked the release of the Jeffrey Epstein files. Wednesday's disclosure of thousands of Epstein emails showed why.

Why it matters:   The emails contained no real smoking gun. But they shed new light on the relationship between the two men, with gossipy, unflattering descriptions of Trump by Epstein.

  • Trump was put into a defensive crouch as the news dominated conversation on Capitol Hill, television and social media.

The tranche of emails   released   by the House Oversight Committee all but ensured the GOP-run chamber would bend to public pressure and vote for a measure to release the investigative records Trump has tried to keep hidden.

The big picture:   Trump's reaction to the Epstein scandal is a window into how he handles major controversies that invite criticism about his leadership.

  • Whether it's a question about the   current affordability crisis ,   COVID in 2020   or the   Russia probe   in 2017, he has a penchant for pushing back against attacks by calling them Democratic hoaxes or con jobs.
  • He then tries to kill the controversy with such a heavy hand that it helps keep the story alive.

Trump has started calling   the recent attacks "the Epstein hoax." He   sued   The Wall Street Journal for publishing a story in July about a racy drawing and poem he allegedly wrote to Epstein for his birthday in 2003. Trump said the drawing and message weren't his.

  • "The minute he thinks it's unfair to him and it's a personal attack, he just goes into fight mode," said one confidant. "No one wants to ask him what's going on here [with Epstein] because he just gets angry."

Zoom out:   The Epstein files are an issue now because Trump and his top allies — from Vice President Vance to FBI director Kash Patel to Attorney General Pam Bondi — promised to release the investigative files before Trump won the 2024 presidential election.

  • That promise energized Trump's conspiracy-thirsty MAGA base, which saw the files involving Epstein — a convicted sex trafficker who died in prison in 2019 — as a chance to expose crimes among the rich and powerful.
  • Then in July, six months after taking office, Trump reversed course and forbade the release of the files.
  • "He told Pam [Bondi] not to release the files. We don't exactly know why," said another Trump insider.

Trump, a former friend of Epstein's,   is frequently mentioned in the files but has never been linked to any crimes. Even so, just being mentioned in the files has appeared to aggravate Trump.

  • Some of the emails released Wednesday were first issued by House Democrats and then by the entire Oversight panel. The emails are separate from the investigative files at the Justice Department and were obtained from Epstein's estate. They included insulting descriptions of Trump in emails from Epstein to others.
  • In these emails, Epstein indicated he was at Trump Tower in New York after Trump won his first election in 2016, suggesting the falling out between the two had been patched up.
  • In other correspondence, he called Trump "dirty," "demented," "borderline insane" and "f**king crazy," or said Trump had "early dementia" and was photographed "with girls in bikinis in my kitchen."
  • However, none of the emails was between Trump and Epstein. Trump wasn't known to use email.

Context:   The way the emails exploded on Capitol Hill recalled the 2016 WikiLeaks release of emails that damaged Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton's campaign against Trump.

  • As in this case, the emails showed no clear sign of wrongdoing by the intended target. But the fact that there was such a big volume of behind-the-scenes details ensured the story dominated media coverage and social media, creating the appearance of a scandal. And appearance can be reality in politics.

What they're saying:   "When we passed my motion to subpoena the Epstein files, we knew we'd find damning information," Rep. Summer Lee (D-Pa.)   said   Wednesday on X. "Today we learned Trump is alleged to have personal knowledge of Epstein's crimes & spent hours with victims."

  • Lee's post referred to an email in which Democrats redacted the name of the Epstein victim, Virginia Giuffre, who Epstein had said had spent "hours" with Trump at Epstein's Florida home.
  • But Giuffre, who committed suicide in April, had never accused Trump of wrongdoing, testified she knew of no accusations against him and was supportive of his 2024 presidential campaign.
  • That context was missing from Democrats' press release.

White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt   denounced the redaction and House Republicans then released all the emails.

  • Trump   fumed   Wednesday on Truth Social that Democrats "are using the Jeffrey Epstein Hoax to try and deflect from their massive failures, in particular, their most recent one — THE SHUTDOWN!"
  • After a decade of intense scrutiny of the Epstein case and numerous lawsuits, White House officials say, Trump would have been named publicly as a suspect by now if there were credible evidence against him.
  • Some of the victims in the Epstein case settled their cases and   signed nondisclosure agreements , so there are unknowns. It's one reason Democrats say the full investigative files need to be released.

What's next:   House leaders say they expect scores of Republicans may join Democrats next week in voting to release the Epstein files, despite Trump's lobbying.

  • The measure is likely to die in the Senate, where it takes 60 votes to approve legislation and Republicans hold 53 of the 100 seats.

At 10:25pm Wednesday , Trump signed the legislation to reopen the government and joked with reporters in the Oval Office.

  • "I don't know if you have questions," he said as GOP lawmakers chuckled behind him.
  • Asked about the Epstein emails, he didn't respond. The press was then hustled out of the room.

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Nerm_L
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1  seeder  Nerm_L    last year

Trump could never have controlled the Epstein material or its release.  Trump's conspiracy hungry base has been abused by people a lot smarter than Trump and that hasn't even slowed them down. 

Pay close attention to the fact that the MAGA (or Qanon if you wish) conspiracy is all about the lying, cheating, criminal rich and powerful.  That conspiracy doesn't differentiate between Republican and Democrat or liberal and conservative.  MAGA engages in a very raw form of class grievance.  Trump's golden toilet won't impress MAGA if he is just another rich liar.

MAGA does not have martyrs for a cause.  MAGA has martyrs for the truth.  Their truth.  MAGA truth.  Not your truth.      

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2  JohnRussell    last year
Pollster: Trump is underwater on basically every single issue, but the Epstein files are especially dreadful for him. On immigration, he's 5 points underwater. Foreign policy, 8 points. Tariffs, 17 points. The economy, 18. But he is 39 points below water on the Epstein case. What Donald Trump has been selling on the Epstein files, the American people have not been buying it.

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FactPost on X: "Pollster: Trump is underwater on basically every single issue, but the Epstein files are especially dreadful for him. On immigration, he's 5 points underwater. Foreign policy, 8 points. Tariffs, 17 points. The economy, 18. But he is 39 points below water on the Epstein case. What https://t.co/gjzmDvhe5c" / X
 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
2.1  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @2    last year

These numbers should be disastrous for Trump. They are terrible and most Americans seem to think he is implicated in one way or another with Epstein. 

But his hard core dont care because he is fighting "radical leftists".  Who knew being a scum bag and a hero to the right at the same time was so easy ? 

 
 
 
Igknorantzruls
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2.1.1  Igknorantzruls  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1    last year
Who knew being a scum bag and a hero to the right at the same time was so easy ? 

don't think even Don realized

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Professor Expert
2.1.2  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1    last year
But his hard core dont care because he is fighting "radical leftists".  Who knew being a scum bag and a hero to the right at the same time was so easy ? 

MAGA won't trust polls because they're rigged by rich elitists to spread lies.  An argument that relies on polling data won't be trusted.  And those making the arguments are to be distrusted.

There's a reason Trump doesn't talk about polls very often.  Trump just declares that he is popular.  That's because the MAGA base doesn't accept polling data as truth.  Qanon and MAGA isn't a popularity contest that cares about public opinion.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1.3  JohnRussell  replied to  Nerm_L @2.1.2    last year

LOL

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Professor Expert
2.1.4  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.3    last year
LOL

Laugh all you want.  Charlie Kirk is considered a martyr.  A martyr for what?  A cause?  A political party?  Donald Trump?  Fame and riches?

Are you really sure you understand what's going on?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1.5  JohnRussell  replied to  Nerm_L @2.1.4    last year

Your comments are endlessly all over the place. 

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Professor Expert
2.1.6  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.5    last year
Your comments are endlessly all over the place. 

You're the one throwing anything and everything, including the political kitchen sink, hoping that something gains traction.  

 
 
 
Jack_TX
Professor Quiet
2.1.7  Jack_TX  replied to  Nerm_L @2.1.2    last year
MAGA won't trust polls because they're rigged by rich elitists to spread lies.

There is mathematical evidence to support this assertion.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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3  Greg Jones    last year

"After a decade of intense scrutiny of the Epstein case and numerous lawsuits, White House officials say, Trump would have been named publicly as a suspect by now if there were credible evidence against him."

I think the dumb Dems are going to very unhappy when the whole shebang of files is laid bare, Trump always seems to have a trick up his sleeve.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Professor Expert
3.1  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  Greg Jones @3    last year
I think the dumb Dems are going to very unhappy when the whole shebang of files is laid bare, Trump always seems to have a trick up his sleeve.

So, MAGA is just a bunch of ignorant dumb fuckers that can be blown off?  This isn't about Democrats and Republicans.  It's not about liberals and conservatives.  The Epstein files are only about lying, cheating, criminal rich people who think their money allows them to do whatever they want. 

 
 

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