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We forget what Milton Friedman said about illegal immigration

  
Via:  Nerm_L  •  10 months ago  •  23 comments

By:   John Dewar Gleissner (The Hill)

We forget what Milton Friedman said about illegal immigration
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MAGA was suppose to fix these ideas of the great god(damned) Milton Friedman.  MAGA was not supposed to create communism for oligarchs.  Trump was not supposed to be a reincarnation of Joseph Stalin.  

Putting hobnail boots on the necks of immigrants let's the rich freeloaders off the hook.  The root cause of the problem has been socialism for the wealthy.  They're the fat cats who wanted cheap labor that they didn't need to care about.  The cheerleaders for Milton Friedman's un-Americanism have destroyed our ability to compete even with an open border that sucked in cheap labor.    


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Years ago, the great conservative economist Milton Friedman said Mexican illegal immigration across the border was a good thing. These workers, he said help the American economy.

Friedman said illegal immigration was a good thing so long as it is illegal. Illegal immigrants do not qualify for welfare benefits, Social Security, or other myriad benefits American citizens can receive. Illegal immigrants work hard, are good workers, gravitate to jobs, are better off here, and benefit the U.S. and American citizens. Illegal immigrants take jobs most Americans do not want.

But if you make illegal immigration legal, then "it's no good," Friedman added.

Friedman may not have calculated the costs of educating the children of illegal immigrants, who if born here become American citizens. Sometimes illegal immigrants are injured in accidents and receive free medical treatment at hospitals.

According to the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy, "Undocumented immigrants paid $96.7 billion in federal, state, and local taxes in 2022. Most of that amount, $59.4 billion, was paid to the federal government while the remaining $37.3 billion was paid to state and local governments."

Why shouldn't the standard for deportation versus a green card boil down to whether the illegal immigrant helps or hurts the American economy? Under this standard, illegal workers can stay and pay taxes, while those who do not work or commit crimes are deported. One DUI, drug-related or violent crime conviction? Immediate deportation. Criminal record? Deportation. Being the guilty driver in a motor vehicle accident without insurance? Deportation, unless the victim obtains restitution or wants the worker to stay and pay damages.

Deporting illegal immigrants with jobs harms the American economy. Employers of illegal immigrants might be given a say in whether their workers are deported. The U.S. workforce includes 8.5 million undocumented workers, or some 4.8 percent to 5 percent of the total U.S. labor force, according to the Center for Migration Studies, concentrated in construction, accommodation and food services, manufacturing, agriculture, waste management, retail trade, and several other areas. The government historically does not enforce laws against employers vigorously, although enforcement is on the upswing.

Increasing enforcement activities against employers and resulting economic losses may be just what are needed to effect meaningful reforms. In 1925, Calvin Coolidge in a speech said, "The chief business of the American people is business." Harming business and the American economy will make reform happen faster than any other method.



John Dewar Gleissner practiced law in Alabama for more than 45 years, and is author of "Prison and Slavery — a Surprising Comparison," and "Truth About the Old South — A Case for African American Exceptionalism," other ebooks, law review articles and recently "Explaining the Mammoth Economy, Smokehouses, and the Mezhyrich Map."


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Nerm_L
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1  seeder  Nerm_L    10 months ago

Is it any wonder that Trump Republicans blame the victims while they cheer the crooks?  Even now they're building an over indulgent, extravagant monument to celebrate rich men's balls at the very heart of our government.  It's not the people's house any longer. 

Make America Grift Again 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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2  Sean Treacy    10 months ago

Illegal immigrants do not qualify for welfare benefits, Social Security, or other myriad benefits American citizens can receive.

That's simply not true. The governor of California literally brags about how much they spend on welfare for illegals.. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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2.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  Sean Treacy @2    10 months ago
  • The 2022 SIPP indicates that 54 percent of households headed by immigrants — naturalized citizens, legal residents, and illegal immigrants — used one or more major welfare program. This compares to 39 percent for U.S.-born households.
  • The rate is 59 percent for non-citizen households (e.g. green card holders and illegal immigrants).
  • Compared to households headed by the U.S.-born, immigrant-headed households have especially high use of food programs (36 percent vs. 25 percent for the U.S.-born), Medicaid (37 percent vs. 25 percent for the U.S.-born), and the Earned Income Tax Credit (16 percent vs. 12 percent for the U.S.-born).
  • Our best estimate is that 59 percent of households headed by illegal immigrants, also called the undocumented, use at least one major program. We have no evidence this is due to fraud. Among legal immigrants we estimate the rate is 52 percent.
  • Illegal immigrants can receive welfare on behalf of U.S.-born children, and illegal immigrant children can receive school lunch/breakfast and WIC directly. A number of states provide Medicaid to some illegal adults and children, and a few provide SNAP. Several million illegal immigrants also have work authorization (e.g. DACA, TPS, and some asylum applicants) allowing receipt of the EITC.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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2.2  Ozzwald  replied to  Sean Treacy @2    10 months ago
That's simply not true. The governor of California literally brags about how much they spend on welfare for illegals.. 

Your claim is untrue.  California covers LEGAL asylum seekers.  You know the asylum seekers that you refuse to acknowledge are legal.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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2.2.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  Ozzwald @2.2    10 months ago

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JohnRussell
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3  JohnRussell    10 months ago

The problem with your argument , which is a good one, is that white people in America are being "replaced" by non-white immigrants irrespective of what the immigrants employment and taxpayer status is. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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3.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @3    10 months ago
white people in America are being "replaced" by non-white immigrants irrespective of what the immigrants employment and taxpayer status is. 

Democrats are only competitive nationally because of the votes of non native born Americans. They intentionally refused to enforce immigration laws to let as many immigrants as possible enter the country and when given the chance have created foreign sex predator protection zones to try and keep as many illegals as possible in  the country all the while fighting to make election fraud as easy and undetectable as possible.   They aren't even subtle about what they are doing. 

 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.1    10 months ago
white people in America are being "replaced" by non-white immigrants irrespective of what the immigrants employment and taxpayer status is. 

Is what I said a belief of many opponents to immigration or not?  Nerm posted a piece suggesting that employed and taxpaying immigrants are a plus for the country.  Those who are afraid of "white replacement" arent impressed. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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3.1.2  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.1    10 months ago
Nerm posted a piece suggesting that employed and taxpaying immigrants are a plus for the country. 

They obviously aren't. The premise is faulty and doesn't reflect the reality of illegal immigration. 59% of illegals mooch off a welfare program.  This  quote from him  " you cannot simultaneously have free immigration and a welfare state" is much more reflective of what's actually happening. 

Look what happened to the budget of your city  in order to pay for the services they consumed. It's not like that's the only place either.  The massive fraud  in Minneapolis that Walz and company tried to cover up will never be recouped. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.3  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.1.2    10 months ago

Here we go with fraud again. Fraud is an American way of life. Your hero in the White House was found liable for fraud. He also settled a fraud case by paying out 25 million dollars. His family committed tax fraud for years and years. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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3.1.4  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.3    10 months ago
Fraud is an American way of life. Y

So your solution is to import more fraud for taxpayers to pay for? Fantastic.

The best part of the first progressive movement was it's commitment to clean government. The muckrakers etc really focused on exposing fraud and trying to eradicate it from government.  They actually believed and pushed for "good government" Their  ideological descendants have gone over to the enemies of the original progressives.  They now defend defend and cover up corruption  and see it as a tool to maintain their power.  Sad to see. Corrupt machine politicians like Boss Daley won the battle for the Democratic party. 

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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3.2  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  JohnRussell @3    10 months ago
The problem with your argument , which is a good one, is that white people in America are being "replaced" by non-white immigrants irrespective of what the immigrants employment and taxpayer status is. 

According to the last Census, approximately 71% of the US population self identified as White alone or in combination with another race.  Seems that real people like being white.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.2.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Nerm_L @3.2    10 months ago

I hope you are being facetious with all these comments. Otherwise I am worried about you. 

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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3.2.2  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2.1    10 months ago
I hope you are being facetious with all these comments. Otherwise I am worried about you. 

Stop trying to use race as bait.  Milton Friedman encouraged exploitation of non-citizens because that provided a legal loophole.  Friedman's socialism for the rich didn't sift and sort who to exploit by race.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.2.3  JohnRussell  replied to  Nerm_L @3.2.2    10 months ago

this is a quote from your seed

Why shouldn't the standard for deportation versus a green card boil down to whether the illegal immigrant helps or hurts the American economy? Under this standard, illegal workers can stay and pay taxes, while those who do not work or commit crimes are deported. 

Do the conservatives who currently want to deport ALL illegal immigrants care about what immigrants contribute to the country? 

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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3.2.4  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2.3    10 months ago
Do the conservatives who currently want to deport ALL illegal immigrants care about what immigrants contribute to the country? 

No.  Reagan Republicans, Gingrich Republicans, TEA Party Republicans, and now Trump Republicans only care about money.  They have always wanted all the money the government spends.  

It's not about immigrants; it is about the money spent on immigrants.  Republicans who worship Milton Friedman firmly believe that the United States only exists for their monetary benefit.  

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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3.2.5  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2.3    10 months ago
Do the conservatives who currently want to deport ALL illegal immigrants care about what immigrants contribute to the country? 

BTW, one of the promises of MAGA was to over throw Republican worship of Milton Friedman.  MAGA was supposed to revive the founding principles of the Republican Party and the legacy of the Great Emancipator.

Trump killed MAGA for monetary gain.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4  JohnRussell    10 months ago

Nerm, if all the illegal immigrants were white, do you think any conservative would be demanding that every single one of them be deported on the basis that they "broke the law"?

 
 
 
GregTx
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4.1  GregTx  replied to  JohnRussell @4    10 months ago

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JohnRussell
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4.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  GregTx @4.1    10 months ago

Well the truth does hurt, I am aware of that. 

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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4.2  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  JohnRussell @4    10 months ago
Nerm, if all the illegal immigrants were white, do you think any conservative would be demanding that every single one of them be deported on the basis that they "broke the law"?

They're Hispanic and Latino, which means they're not Black or brown, either.  So, where does that leave your argument?

Entering the United States without permission is a crime.  Granting asylum after the crime has been committed requires a willful delusion (or collusion in the crime).  To avoid breaking Federal law, the immigrant must make the request at a port of entry before entering the US.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.2.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Nerm_L @4.2    10 months ago

I dont know why you quoted my question since your comment has nothing to do with what I said. 

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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4.2.2  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  JohnRussell @4.2.1    10 months ago
I dont know why you quoted my question since your comment has nothing to do with what I said. 

You based you comment on illegal immigrants being white (and implied they are Black or brown).  The overwhelming majority of illegal immigrants are not white, Black, or brown.  They are Hispanic and Latino.

 
 

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