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How much should politics influence science, and vice versa? National Science Board's ousting resurrects an existential debate

  
Via:  Nerm_L  •  4 months ago  •  15 comments

By:   Caroline S (The Conversation)

How much should politics influence science, and vice versa? National Science Board's ousting resurrects an existential debate
The Trump administration fired the entire board that oversees the National Science Foundation, raising an age-old question about the separation of science and state.

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April 30, 2026 -- "On behalf of President Donald J. Trump," read 22 emails sent from the White House Presidential Personnel Office on Friday afternoon, April 24, 2026, "I am writing to inform you that your position as a member of the National Science Board is terminated, effective immediately."

The email was signed "Thank you for your service."

The distinguished scientists and engineers who made up the National Science Board did not know the firings were coming. Several had been reappointed by Trump himself during his first term. The board was scheduled to meet the following week to finalize a report on the state of American science.

When asked why the entire board was removed, a White House spokesperson cited the Supreme Court's 2021 decision in United States v. Arthrex, Inc., stating that the case raised constitutional questions about the National Science Board, its independence and its role in the agency it oversees, the National Science Foundation. Specifically, whether non-Senate confirmed appointees can exercise the authorities that Congress gave the board when it authorized the NSF in 1950.

We have been studying and doing science policy. One of us (Wagner) has worked closely with the National Science Board several times and regularly uses their database on scientific and engineering progress. The other of us (Olds) led the National Science Foundation's Directorate for Biological Sciences from 2014 to 2018 and has previously called for reform of the board.

We argue that the dismissal is not just a political act dressed in constitutional language; it is the resurfacing of an argument almost as old as the National Science Foundation itself — one that nearly killed the agency in its cradle.

Truman's 1947 veto


In 1945, the science advisor of President Franklin D. Roosevelt, Vannevar Bush, proposed that a new federal science agency be governed by a part-time board of eminent volunteer scientists. This agency came to be called the National Science Foundation, and the board - not the president - was designated to choose its director for a six-year term.

Bush's intent was to insulate basic research from political pressure. But with Roosevelt's death in April of that year, it would be up to the following president, Harry Truman, and Congress to make the final decision.

Harley Kilgore, a senator from West Virginia, objected to the board's formation and its independent role. He argued that vesting public authority in scientists not directly accountable to the president was constitutionally suspect and democratically unsound. The board should not choose the director. President Truman's 1947 veto signaled agreement.

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Vannevar Bush, left, played a key role in the creation of the National Science Foundation, which President Harry Truman, center, ultimately ratified after an initial veto.Abbie Rowe/National Park Service via Wikimedia Commons

A series of lively hearings on the creation of the National Science Foundation served to forge the post-war science system. Out of these debates came the 1950 compromise that finally established NSF and the National Science Board, giving each side something.

The director would be appointed by the president and confirmed by the Senate. Above the director sat the National Science Board - also presidentially appointed and Senate-confirmed, but serving staggered six-year terms designed to outlast any single administration. The board would set NSF policy, approve major grants and report independently to the president and Congress on the state of American science. The director would handle operations.

The structure was deliberately uneasy. It was meant to allow scientific judgment and political accountability to coexist without one absorbing the other.

What the board has done


For 75 years, the National Science Board has carried out three functions. It has overseen the agency's largest research investments - telescopes, polar research stations, supercomputing facilities. It has produced periodic reports on the state of American science, first issued in 1972. And it has served as an independent voice to advise the president and Congress on long-term scientific priorities.

The board's remit has expanded over time. The 1968 Daddario Amendments broadened the NSF's mandate. The America COMPETES Acts of 2007 and 2010 added duties around workforce and research infrastructure. The CHIPS and Science Act of 2022 brought research security and coordinating emerging technologies into the board's portfolio.

Through all of this, the dual governance structure held. The board functioned as a bridging device - a mechanism by which scientific judgment could inform federal decisions without scientists becoming political officers, and political priorities could shape research agendas without dictating findings.

Reviving the original argument


The Trump administration's removal of all sitting members of the National Science Board echoes a debate from the agency's founding: Should officers with federal authority over spending operate beyond the president's discretion? An independent board with power over a federal agency is a constitutional outlier, regardless of its competence or track record. The contrary view, which has governed the National Science Board for 75 years, is that expert bodies can be shielded from political pressures.

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Oversight of the National Science Foundation has been contentious.AP Photo/Mark Schiefelbein

The Supreme Court has moved partway toward the president's position in recent years. Seila Law v. CFPB (2020) struck down protections against the removal of the head of an independent agency. Loper Bright Enterprises v. Raimondo (2024) ended a court's ability to defer to an agency's interpretation of ambiguous laws.

U.S. v. Arthrex, Inc (2021) - the case the Trump administration cited in its justification for dismissing the National Science Board - held that certain officers who were not confirmed by the Senate had been improperly exercising authority reserved for executive branch officials.

Members of the National Science Board are presidentially appointed and were historically confirmed by the Senate, though this requirement was eliminated by the Presidential Appointment Efficiency and Streamlining Act of 2011.

These legal questions will likely be tested in court.

Separation of science and state


The National Science Board's ousting sits atop a deeper conflict between science and the state.

The 1950 compromise that founded the National Science Foundation rested on a teetering wager: that scientific inquiry, partially insulated from political control, would over time produce goods useful enough to the American public to justify being unencumbered by political steering.

For 75 years, this wager paid off. American science led the world. The measures the compromise built - peer review, the National Science Board, reports on scientific progress - allowed political and scientific judgment to inform each other without collapsing into one another.

The National Science Board's firing comes at the heels of billions of dollars of science funding cuts.

The current moment tears the Band-Aid off this old conflict and the complex system underneath. If political accountability requires that no expert body be insulated from presidential control, the 1950 settlement that founded the NSF cannot survive in its present form. Then the question becomes what could replace the NSF - and whether the benefits the state has come to expect from American science can be produced under different arrangements.

The historical record on political intervention in scientific operations is consistent. Soviet biology under Trofim Lysenko. German physics under the Nazis. Chinese science during the Cultural Revolution. In each case, the institution of science survived in name but stopped producing what science is supposed to produce: verifiable, trusted knowledge. While the names on the doors stayed the same, the work changed to serve politics.

The firing of the National Science Board has brought back the old question that Truman thought he had answered in 1950: how much politics should intervene in science. Now, that question is shaking the very foundations of U.S. science.


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Nerm_L
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1  seeder  Nerm_L    4 months ago

Science, as a human activity, depends upon questions and skepticism and untruth.    When institutional science begins demanding unquestioning faith, begins presenting findings as absolute truth, and begins advocating that absolute truth as moral certainty then institutional science has become a de facto institutional religion.  We've seen how scientists who express skepticism that challenges consensus are essentially excommunicated from the institutional body of science as a 'denier'.  There's no denying that institutional science engages in dogmatic control over consensus viewpoints and pursues political persuasion the same way institutional religion has.  Institutional science has established its own language and methods to emphasize the unworthiness of non-believers.  

If institutional science is functioning in the public/political arena in the same manner as institutional religion then why shouldn't there be a separation?  The common belief is that government should not seek advice from the moral experts of religion; a secularized morality is adequate.  So, a similarly secularized source of knowledge should also be adequate without the encumbrance of institutional dogmatic control.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  Nerm_L @1    4 months ago

We may disagree on politics, but I have to give you credit for honesty.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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2  Ozzwald    4 months ago
How much should politics influence science, and vice versa?

Not at all.  Science is the pursuit of truth, politics should have nothing to do with or interfere with that pursuit.

Science should fully influence politics.  Politics should also be based on truth with laws and departments based on "what is", not what they want it to be.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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2.1  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  Ozzwald @2    4 months ago
Not at all.  Science is the pursuit of truth, politics should have nothing to do with or interfere with that pursuit. Science should fully influence politics.  Politics should also be based on truth with laws and departments based on "what is", not what they want it to be.

Science is supposed to be dedicated to the pursuit of knowledge.  'Truth' has moral implications outside the purview of science. 

Engineering is to science as secular ethics is to religious morality.  Engineering is a practical application of knowledge just as secular ethics is a practical application of ethics.

Science can provide the knowledge of how to split the atom.  But science is not equipped to moralize about the use of that knowledge.  Science cannot transform an 'is' to an 'ought'.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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2.1.1  Ozzwald  replied to  Nerm_L @2.1    4 months ago
Science is supposed to be dedicated to the pursuit of knowledge.

So say all the flat earthers and vaccine deniers.  Trouble is that knowledge is not always true.

Engineering is a practical application of knowledge just as secular ethics is a practical application of ethics.

Again true, but not always completely true.  The Ark Encounter in Williamstown, Kentucky is a truly amazing work of engineering because of the science involved in the actual build.  It just doesn't reflect the truth.

But science is not equipped to moralize about the use of that knowledge.

Correct, but that is not "science's" job.  Science show how to split the atom, the rest is outside science.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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2.1.2  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  Ozzwald @2.1.1    4 months ago
So say all the flat earthers and vaccine deniers.  Trouble is that knowledge is not always true.

Then science can never provide Truth since there is always a possibility that scientific knowledge is an untruth.  

As you have noted, science identifies heretics as 'deniers'.  But that 'denier' label is based upon moving the goalposts to eliminate any metaphysical or spiritual basis for 'denial'.  Those who demand people 'believe the science' are obviously expecting a religious conformity to a Truth that is beyond the realm of science.

Again true, but not always completely true.  The Ark Encounter in Williamstown, Kentucky is a truly amazing work of engineering because of the science involved in the actual build.  It just doesn't reflect the truth.

The Ark Encounter is not a practical application of knowledge, is it?  The Ark Encounter is a practical application of spirituality whose Truth is just as valid and any other Truth.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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2.1.3  Ozzwald  replied to  Nerm_L @2.1.2    4 months ago
Then science can never provide Truth since there is always a possibility that scientific knowledge is an untruth.

Correct.  Which is why there are scientific theories and not scientific facts.

Those who demand people 'believe the science' are obviously expecting a religious conformity to a Truth that is beyond the realm of science.

Not entirely sure I understand where you are going with this, but in religion the truth" is based on faith, in science "the truth" is based on current demonstrable understanding of facts presented.

The Ark Encounter is not a practical application of knowledge, is it?

Yes it is, primarily architecture. 

The Ark Encounter is a practical application of spirituality whose Truth is just as valid and any other Truth.

No, the Ark Encounter is suppose to represent something that can be proven to be false.  But it required modern day science to be built to falsely represent iron age knowledge.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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3  Sean Treacy    4 months ago

Science and politics don't mix. Nothing discredits scientists more than trying to make political decisions.  See Covid. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @3    4 months ago
Science and politics don't mix. Nothing discredits scientists more than trying to make political decisions

Yes, its much better that political decisions be made by evangelical Christians jrSmiley_88_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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3.1.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1    4 months ago

I'm sorry you apparently hate democracy.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.2  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.1.1    4 months ago

you said you dont want scientists deciding policy, so why should religion ? 

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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3.1.3  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.2    4 months ago
you said you dont want scientists deciding policy, so why should religion ? 

I don't think your interpretation of the comment is correct.  The point being made is that corrupting influence of politics influences science that same way it influences religion.  

If religion needs protection from the state (and politics) then why doesn't science need similar protections?  If there is a danger that theology can become a political Truth then why isn't there a similar danger that scientific knowledge can become a political Truth?

It's difficult to claim that science is guiding politics when science is so dependent upon funding from political government.  Isn't that a conflict of interest?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.4  JohnRussell  replied to  Nerm_L @3.1.3    4 months ago
Nothing discredits scientists more than trying to make political decisions

I dont think I misunderstood that comment. 

 
 
 
Dig
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3.2  Dig  replied to  Sean Treacy @3    4 months ago
Nothing discredits scientists more than trying to make political decisions.  See Covid.

Meaning what? I have a sneaking suspicion that whatever you believe about it is politically-influenced bullshit.

 
 
 
Dig
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5  Dig    4 months ago

Politics should never affect science, but science should absolutely influence, or at least inform politics.

 
 

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