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The lefty press is giving Hillary Clinton a pass for Russiagate

  
Via:  Nerm_L  •  2 years ago  •  86 comments

By:   Michael Goodwin (New York Post)

The lefty press is giving Hillary Clinton a pass for Russiagate
Big Media's messengers for the Deep State are nothing if not consistent.

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Don't fall for the narrative that the press 'screwed up'.  The role of big media in what transpired was quite deliberate.  And don't be fooled that journalist were defending some sort of normalcy or public decorum; the whole affair was about the money.  Dirty money, it turns out.  Democrat's money.

What Democrats fear most is public disclosure.  Durham's court filings only shines a dim light on Democrat's reliance on dirty politics to win elections.  And the mercenary press is quite willing to prostitute itself if there is money involved.  Any public disclosure of how the Democrat's political machinery operates is a real and eminent danger.


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Big Media's messengers for the Deep State are nothing if not consistent. For years they sold the Russia, Russia, Russia hoax as the greatest story ever told. And now that the entire story is being unmasked as a figment of Hillary Clinton's presidential ambition, the same suspects insist there's nothing to see here.

Move along, they say. And by the way, did you see what Donald Trump did today?

It is awfully late in the game to be surprised that our national press corps puts its political agenda ahead of the national interest, but the refusal to treat the Durham probe with the seriousness it deserves takes the dereliction to a new level. The refusal involves deliberate attempts to mislead the public.

Then again, the motive is obvious. Giving Durham his due would require the media to re-examine its role in perpetuating the dirtiest dirty trick in American political history.

They won't do that re-examination now for the same reason they wouldn't do it after Robert Mueller couldn't find the Trump-Russia collusion the press and Democrats insisted was in plain sight. The truth of how they screwed up would destroy careers and ruin reputations.

Bogus Pulitzers


A deep dive into the facts would prove all those collusion "exclusives" were flat-out wrong. In that case, scores of anonymous sources would have to be requestioned and outed and the Pulitzers and other awards would have to be returned.

That would be a horror show for the cream of the media crop — and so it can't be allowed to happen. Most of all, the outlets that bet their business on turning Trump into a traitorous monster couldn't bear to see him crowing in vindication at their expense. So they are battening down the hatches and sticking to their story.

Yet even now, nearly six years after the Russia lies first burst into the headlines, it still boggles the mind that the scam succeeded for as long as it did. Key among the unanswered questions is how Clinton operatives managed to sell the FBI, the Obama-Biden White House and the Washington media the lie that Russia and Trump were working together to steal the 2016 election.

What we do know is that once that sale was made, all the rules about fairness and due process were jettisoned like so much trash. In the rush to demonize Trump and elect Clinton, trusted institutions abandoned their standards and shattered their public trust.

And to judge from the reaction to Durham's latest court filings, those same individuals and institutions intend to defend their misconduct with all their power.

The Friday filings relate to an earlier indictment of Michael Sussmann, a lawyer charged with lying to the FBI. Sussmann allegedly tried to convince the bureau that a private internet executive found reams of evidence that the Trump campaign had established secret connections with a Russian bank.

Asked the name of his client, Sussmann allegedly said no one, he was there on his own as a private citizen. In fact, Durham alleges, Sussmann was working to help Clinton get the FBI to investigate Trump. As proof, the indictment says Sussmann billed the Clinton campaign for his FBI meetings.

The new filings go a giant step further in claiming the tech executive working with Sussmann, Rodney Joffe, used researchers and his own special access to gather "derogatory information" about Trump from computer traffic at Trump Tower and later, the White House.

Media coverup


Those actions were allegedly in addition to the collusion narrative Clinton had created with the phony Steele dossier.

If Durham can prove these broad new claims, he will have performed a huge public service. Indeed, that was his assignment — to investigate the role of the FBI, CIA and other federal agencies in spying on the presidential nominee of the opposition party. So far, all roads lead to Clinton.

Durham's probe has been slow-moving, partly because of COVID and partly because it has been difficult cutting through the tangled web of deceit, parts of which include classified documents.

But his pace does not justify the sneering tone of the Dems' media handmaidens. In its Tuesday story, the Times was especially dismissive, with a headline on a supposed straight news story declaring that "Court Filing Started a Furor in Right-Wing Outlets, but Their Narrative Is Off Track."

The article insisted that "The latest alarmist claims about spying on Trump appeared to be flawed" and essentially argued that journalists should feel free to ignore them.

The Washington Post also framed the story as nothing new with a headline that said, "Here's Why Trump Is Once Again Claiming 'Spying' by Democrats."

In both papers, the obvious intent to undermine the idea that Trump was the victim of government spying should be recognized for what it is: disinformation.

But don't hold your breath waiting for Twitter or the rest of Big Tech to label it as such. In this case and others, they are part of the disinformation complex.

Clinton did not answer questions about the investigation from Post reporters Tuesday.Getty Images

"Democracy dies in darkness," reads the Washington Post's motto. "All the news that's fit to print" declares the Times.

If only they practiced what they preach.


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Nerm_L
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1  seeder  Nerm_L    2 years ago

The media is using Clinton wordsmithing to gaslight the public.

It depends on what the meaning of the word ‘is’ is. If the—if he—if ‘is’ means is and never has been, that is not—that is one thing. If it means there is none, that was a completely true statement. … 

And the media's role has been so obvious, so blatant, so cynically self-serving, that the media's only defense is deliberate ignorance and conscious delusion.

The press only publishes what readers want.  Which is, itself, an indictment against the veracity of news reporting.  Trust the press; it's all your fault.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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1.1  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Nerm_L @1    2 years ago
" Big Media's messengers for the Deep State are nothing if not consistent."

From the very first line of the seed you can tell it will be chock full of bullshit. There is no 'deep state' and there is no coordinating 'big media', only half witted morons believe in such nonsense.

"For years they sold the Russia, Russia, Russia hoax"

If the investigation into Russia/Trump cooperation was a "hoax" then so was the Benghazi investigation and the Hillary private email server investigation. Neither one found her guilty of any crime, which apparently is all it takes to ignore any actual evidence found and call the whole thing a "hoax" by conservative Republican standards.

"And now that the entire story is being unmasked as a figment of Hillary Clinton's presidential ambition"

Conservative fantasy bullshit.

 Giving Durham his due would require the media to re-examine its role in perpetuating the dirtiest dirty trick in American political history.

Giving Durham his due would require him actually coming up with any damning evidence which so far he's been unable to do. The most recent supposed "revelations" had to be walked back because conservatives were going nuts over the insinuations before any evidence has been revealed.

A deep dive into the facts

And yet this seed completely avoids any facts at all and just makes laughably ridiculous conservative conspiracy theory claims.

scores of anonymous sources would have to be re-questioned and outed and the Pulitzers and other awards would have to be returned

Riiiiight..... Pulitzers being called bogus by brain dead conservatives and high school drop out hog trough lickers.

" Key among the unanswered questions is how Clinton operatives managed to sell the FBI, the Obama-Biden White House and the Washington media the lie that Russia and Trump were working together to steal the 2016 election."

Anyone who thinks this is an unanswered question has their head stuffed up either Trumps ass or their own. The Republican Senate investigation showed clearly that there were more than enough cause to investigate the ties between Trump and Russia.

"The nearly 1,000-page report, the fifth and final one from the Republican-led Senate intelligence committee on the Russia investigation, details how Russia launched an aggressive effort to interfere in the election on Trump’s behalf . It says the Trump campaign chairman had regular contact with a Russian intelligence officer and says other Trump associates were eager to exploit the Kremlin’s aid , particularly by maximizing the impact of the disclosure of Democratic emails hacked by Russian intelligence officers."

" The findings , including unflinching characterizations of furtive interactions between Trump associates and Russian operatives, echo to a large degree those of special counsel Robert Mueller’s Russia investigation and appear to repudiate the Republican president’s claims that the FBI had no basis to investigate whether his campaign was conspiring with Russia . "

Manafort’s high-level access and willingness to share information with individuals closely affiliated with the Russian intelligence services, particularly Kilimnik, represented a grave counterintelligence threat ,” the report says.

The report notes how Manafort shared internal Trump campaign polling data with Kilimnik and says there is “some evidence” Kilimnik may have been connected to Russia’s effort to hack and leak Democratic emails.

Now those are facts regardless of how many times some nitwit moron screams "hoax!".

So first, there is no fucking 'deep state', there is no coordinating 'Big Media', there is no "media cover-up", there is no reason to give back any Pulitzer, there was more than enough reason to investigate a Trump campaign/ Russia connection because the two did everything short of criminal conspiracy. Claiming the Trump/Russia investigation is a hoax is like claiming Bill Clinton wasn't lying when he said "I did not have sex with that woman" because it was only a blow job. The Trump campaign and Russia were thick as thieves, metaphorical blow jobs, hand jobs, foot jobs, with dozens of contacts with Trump campaign officials "eager" to exploit Kremlin aid, claiming that was all a hoax just because anal penetration aka 'criminal conspiracy' between Putin and Trump was not proven is simply moronic.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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1.1.1  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @1.1    2 years ago
From the very first line of the seed you can tell it will be chock full of bullshit. There is no 'deep state' and there is no coordinating 'big media', only half witted morons believe in such nonsense.

So, seed your own bullshit.  The press has plenty of bullshit to spread around.

If the investigation into Russia/Trump cooperation was a "hoax" then so was the Benghazi investigation and the Hillary private email server investigation. Neither one found her guilty of any crime, which apparently is all it takes to ignore any actual evidence found and call the whole thing a "hoax" by conservative Republican standards.

Two US government facilities really were attacked in Benghazi.  Christopher Stevens, Sean Smith, Tyrone Woods, and Glen Doherty really were killed in the attacks.  At least ten others really were wounded in the attacks.  These are hard facts.  There isn't anything speculative or circumstantial about what happened in Benghazi.

Hillary Clinton really did use a private email server located on her private property to bypass State Dept. systems.  The FBI really did recover some deleted emails from that private email server.  The FBI also really did recover some of those emails from Anthony Weiner's computer.  These are hard facts.  There isn't anything speculative or circumstantial about Hillary Clinton's private email server.

The Trump/Russia 'collusion' conspiracy theory was created by the Clinton campaign.  The Clinton campaign hired agents to actively collect information from inside Russia and hired agents to conduct espionage on the Trump campaign.  There aren't any hard facts to support the Clinton conspiracy theory of Russia/Trump collusion.  The Clinton conspiracy theory is based entirely on speculation and circumstantial information.  The Clinton campaign actively and deliberately spread misinformation.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2  Tessylo    2 years ago

No one's giving Hillary a pass - because Hillary had nothing to do with it.  NOTHING, ZERO, ZIP, ZILCH, NADA, DIDDLY SQUAT.

Just more deflection from trumpturd's criminal enterprise of an administration and all of his other shady dealings.  All coming to a head now which is why this lie is being beat to death.  

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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2.1  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  Tessylo @2    2 years ago
No one's giving Hillary a pass - because Hillary had nothing to do with it.  NOTHING, ZERO, ZIP, ZILCH, NADA, DIDDLY SQUAT. Just more deflection from trumpturd's criminal enterprise of an administration and all of his other shady dealings.  All coming to a head now which is why this lie is being beat to death.  

Yeah, the media (and Democrats) are trying to persuade the public that these disclosures aren't really important.  The problem is that the 'but TRUMP' deflection doesn't capture the public's attention any longer.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.1.1  Tessylo  replied to  Nerm_L @2.1    2 years ago

They're not.  They don't mean DICK.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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2.1.2  Ozzwald  replied to  Nerm_L @2.1    2 years ago

The problem is that the 'but TRUMP' deflection doesn't capture the public's attention any longer.  

So you're trying for the "but Hillary" deflection???jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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2.1.3  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  Ozzwald @2.1.2    2 years ago
So you're trying for the "but Hillary" deflection???

I've addressed the press' motivations and role in what transpired.  The 'but Trump' comparison is a deflection as a political exigency.  But what the press is doing is gaslighting the public to defend itself.

Democrats' reliance on dirty politics is a known fact.  Repeating that fact only states the obvious.  What is being disclosed is how a mercenary press enables Democrats' dirty politics.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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2.1.4  Sparty On  replied to  Nerm_L @2.1    2 years ago
The problem is that the 'but TRUMP' deflection doesn't capture the public's attention any longer.  

It never did for most people, just the worker drones from the liberal hive.

The evil one’s teflon is wearing out.    Or at least is for the useful idiots she got to do her dirty work for her.

 
 
 
Krishna
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2.1.5  Krishna  replied to  Ozzwald @2.1.2    2 years ago
So you're trying for the "but Hillary" deflection???

Look-- don't laugh at him.

Obviously he's letting Hillary live rent free in his head!

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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2.1.6  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  Krishna @2.1.5    2 years ago
Obviously he's letting Hillary live rent free in his head!

If Hillary Clinton lived inside my head, she would expect to be paid.  The Clintons don't do anything for free.

 
 
 
bbl-1
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2.1.7  bbl-1  replied to  Nerm_L @2.1    2 years ago

No pass to give, dude.  The 'Orange Flotsam' got a real pass on Helsinki and a thousand other things.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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2.2  Greg Jones  replied to  Tessylo @2    2 years ago

Trouble is, all the evidence points that way

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.2.1  Tessylo  replied to  Greg Jones @2.2    2 years ago

What evidence?

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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2.2.2  Greg Jones  replied to  Tessylo @2.2.1    2 years ago

Read the article.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.2.3  Tessylo  replied to  Greg Jones @2.2.2    2 years ago

What a waste of time that would be!

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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2.2.4  Ozzwald  replied to  Tessylo @2.2.1    2 years ago

What evidence?

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3  Tessylo    2 years ago

"Big Media's messengers for the Deep State are nothing if not consistent."

Who are Big Media's messengers for the Deep State?

What exactly is the Deep State?????????????????????????????????????????????

Who makes this shit up?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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4  Jeremy Retired in NC    2 years ago
If Durham can prove these broad new claims

The left and their propaganda channels down play Durham's information because nothing has been released.  They've become used to the play by play information dumps under the façade of "leaks", "hacks" and anonymous sources.  Reality is there were no "leaks" or "hacks".  All of that was purposely released and labeled as leaks and hacks to play on their emotions (and it worked).  And as far as the anonymous sources?  There's nothing anonymous about them.  The media knows who they are and were and still are complicit.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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4.1  Tessylo  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4    2 years ago

There's nothing to release because Durham ain't got nothing!  If he had, he would have released it long ago.  

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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4.1.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Tessylo @4.1    2 years ago
If he had, he would have released it long ago. 

No.  Democrats would have released it long ago.  Thank you for playing.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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4.1.2  Greg Jones  replied to  Tessylo @4.1    2 years ago

He's not done yet...just frying the lesser fish

 
 
 
Tessylo
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4.1.3  Tessylo  replied to  Greg Jones @4.1.2    2 years ago

Sure, that's the ticket!  jrSmiley_82_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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4.2  Ozzwald  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4    2 years ago
The left and their propaganda channels down play Durham's information because nothing has been released.

Wow, explain that sentence. 

How can they play down something not released?  How do you know Durham has any information if it has not been released?  Are you a part of the investigation?  What information do you have that has not been released?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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4.2.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Ozzwald @4.2    2 years ago
Wow, explain that sentence

What's there to explain.  It's in plain english.  Do you need it translated?

How can they play down something not released?

Read the rest of my comment and it's explained.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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4.2.2  Ozzwald  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.2.1    2 years ago
Read the rest of my comment and it's explained.

You said it "has not been released".  Any "hacks", "leaks", or "info dumps", would not count since that info was released, just not by Durham.

So, once again....

How can they play down something not released? 

How do you know Durham has any information if it has not been released? 

Are you a part of the investigation? 

What information do you have that has not been released?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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4.2.3  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Ozzwald @4.2.2    2 years ago

So is it a comprehension issue. 

How can they play down something not released? 

That's a good question.  Why is the left denying things have happened when there has really been no mention of it.

How do you know Durham has any information if it has not been released? 

How do you know he doesn't.  You and the rest of the Bidenites have been downplaying this from the start and you don't even know what your downplaying.

Are you a part of the investigation? 

As much as you are.  And yet, I've made no claim as to what is or isn't going on.  That's coming all from the left.  Almost like you all are in a mass panic to cover your asses.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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4.2.4  Ozzwald  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.2.3    2 years ago
Why is the left denying things have happened when there has really been no mention of it.

Why is the right claiming something exists when there is no evidence of such?

How do you know he doesn't.

What an imbecilic response.  You are claiming he has evidence that he hasn't released yet.  How do you know that???

As much as you are.

So you are not part of the investigation.  You have no inside knowledge of any evidence.  Yet you are claiming that said unreleased evidence exists.  Therefore, your claim is a lie.

 
 
 
JBB
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5  JBB    2 years ago

Beginning by at least early 2014 and continuing right up to election day 2016 Trump was secretly in talks with known clandestine agents of Russian State Intelligence Services to negotiate a deal to build a Trump Tower in Moscow, and lying about it. Trump and Company had legitimately got themselves lined up in the crosshairs of ours and our allies national security services by seeking out and establishing lines of communication with known Russian spys. What were our FBI and CIA supposed to do? Ignore it all? Get outta here!

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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5.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JBB @5    2 years ago

Bullshit. Pure and simple. He was just John Q. Citizen at the time AND a businessman trying to make a deal to build a building. And I sincerely doubt that he himself was the prime member of his businesses actually doing the negotiating despite your dreams and wishes.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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5.1.1  Ozzwald  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @5.1    2 years ago
Bullshit. Pure and simple. He was just John Q. Citizen at the time AND a businessman trying to make a deal to build a building.

Then why did he lie about having any Russian deals in the works?

 
 
 
JBB
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5.1.2  JBB  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @5.1    2 years ago

You ignore the fact that Trump was seeking out Russian spies which put him under investigation. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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5.1.3  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Ozzwald @5.1.1    2 years ago
Then why did he lie about having any Russian deals in the works?

Because they weren't to that stage yet otherwise they would have broken ground and carried on even after Trump became PotUS and handed everyday control to others. Remember, it was going to be Hillary in a landslide and the fact that he won, I'm sure, shocked the hell out of him too.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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5.1.4  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JBB @5.1.2    2 years ago
You ignore the fact that Trump was seeking out Russian spies which put him under investigation

Surely you have a link to a credible story to back that up right?

 
 
 
JBB
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5.1.5  JBB  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @5.1.3    2 years ago

Then you admit Trump was secretly in talks with Putin while running for President and lying about it at the time. BTW, when Trump become an official candidate for President of the United States and especially when he became the gop's nominee he ceased being merely a private citizen. Lying made it worse!

 
 
 
JBB
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5.1.6  JBB  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @5.1.4    2 years ago

This is from April 2017.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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5.1.7  Sean Treacy  replied to  JBB @5.1.5    2 years ago

hen you admit Trump was secretly in talks with Putin while running for President

He was? Please provide proof of these secret talks with Putin. Was it in Helsinki? 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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5.1.8  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JBB @5.1.5    2 years ago
Then you admit Trump was secretly in talks with Putin while running for President and lying about it at the time.

i sincerely doubt that he was talking directly to Putin. There is no FUCKING way he could have gotten an audience with him.

Try again.........

 
 
 
JBB
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5.1.9  JBB  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.1.7    2 years ago

Guiliani and Don Jr both publicly admitted it.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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5.1.10  Sean Treacy  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @5.1.8    2 years ago

It's amazing their big gotcha after all these years of hysteria is Trump's Organization worked on a project  to build a tower in Moscow that never came to anything.

The horror. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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5.1.11  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JBB @5.1.6    2 years ago

And has squat to do with Trump. Next?

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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5.1.12  Sean Treacy  replied to  JBB @5.1.9    2 years ago

I don't have a subscription, so can you cut and paste the details of Donald Trump and Putin talking? 

 
 
 
JBB
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5.1.13  JBB  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.1.10    2 years ago

Imagine if Hillary offered Putin the bribe of a billion dollar penthouse for her personal gain.

As Trump did while he ran for The Presidency!  

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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5.1.14  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JBB @5.1.9    2 years ago

Admitted what? Sorry I don't pay for ANY news site. But from what I glean from the headline, that talks about A FUCKING BUILDING went on after he, supposedly, was elected and again, it wasn't him doing the talking it was his business that he had to divorce himself from once elected. He has people for the miniscule details. It is called business as usual. And the Trump enterprises were not coming to a halt just because he won.

 
 
 
JBB
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5.1.15  JBB  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @5.1.14    2 years ago

Excuses Excuses Excuses! You don't want to know the truth or you would look for yourself.

Tell ya what, you bring proof that I am wrong.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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5.1.16  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JBB @5.1.15    2 years ago

You still haven't proved that you are right. After you.

 
 
 
JBB
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5.1.17  JBB  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @5.1.16    2 years ago

Were our CIA and FBI supposed to not notice?

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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5.1.18  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JBB @5.1.17    2 years ago

Notice what? And you still haven't backed that up..............

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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5.1.19  Greg Jones  replied to  JBB @5.1.15    2 years ago
"Tell ya what, you bring proof that I am wrong."

Provide proof you're right

 
 
 
bugsy
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5.1.20  bugsy  replied to  JBB @5.1.15    2 years ago
ell ya what, you bring proof that I am wrong.

Common sense and proper dialogue calls for the one to make an accusation prove the accusation. You have yet to do this.

And will probably continue to.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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5.1.21  Sean Treacy  replied to  JBB @5.1.13    2 years ago
 offered Putin the bribe of a billion dollar penthouse for her personal gain

Why not claim 2 trillion? Or 7 trillion?  Obviously, reality isn't really relevant to your argument.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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5.2  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  JBB @5    2 years ago
Beginning by at least early 2014 and continuing right up to election day 2016 Trump was secretly in talks with known clandestine agents of Russian State Intelligence Services to negotiate a deal to build a Trump Tower in Moscow, and lying about it. Trump and Company had legitimately got themselves lined up in the crosshairs of ours and our allies national security services by seeking out and establishing lines of communication with known Russian spys. What were our FBI and CIA supposed to do? Ignore it all? Get outta here!

Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak attending Trump rallies wasn't exactly secret.  In fact, the Russian interest in the Trump campaign was quite public.

As Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton met with Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov on a number of occasions for private discussions.  Which means Clinton had direct access to Vladimir Putin.  And we're supposed to believe that Clinton didn't discuss her own political ambitions?

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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5.2.1  Ozzwald  replied to  Nerm_L @5.2    2 years ago

Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak attending Trump rallies wasn't exactly secret.  In fact, the Russian interest in the Trump campaign was quite public.

As Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton met with Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov on a number of occasions for private discussions.  Which means Clinton had direct access to Vladimir Putin.  And we're supposed to believe that Clinton didn't discuss her own political ambitions?

Are you actually comparing a person, who's job was to meet with foreign dignitaries, with a private citizen meeting with known Russian agents for personal gain?

 
 
 
JBB
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5.2.2  JBB  replied to  Nerm_L @5.2    2 years ago

Yes, our intelligence agencies couldn't miss it...

Those seeking out foreign spies gets watched.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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5.2.3  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  Ozzwald @5.2.1    2 years ago
Are you actually comparing a person, who's job was to meet with foreign dignitaries, with a private citizen meeting with known Russian agents for personal gain?

Another disclosure of how Democrats use public office for their personal gain?  Private citizens meeting with known Russian agents is circumspect.  But politically appointed Democrats doing the same is just business as usual.

No worries, the press won't report it.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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5.2.4  Tessylo  replied to  Ozzwald @5.2.1    2 years ago

"As Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton met with Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov on a number of occasions for private discussions.  Which means Clinton had direct access to Vladimir Putin.  And we're supposed to believe that Clinton didn't discuss her own political ambitions?"

"Are you actually comparing a person, who's job was to meet with foreign dignitaries, with a private citizen meeting with known Russian agents for personal gain?"

Mind boggling ain't it.  A Secretary of State meeting with foreign dignitaries.

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Greg Jones
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5.2.5  Greg Jones  replied to  Ozzwald @5.2.1    2 years ago

"Are you actually comparing a person, who's job was to meet with foreign dignitaries, with a private citizen meeting with known Russian agents for personal gain?"

Your assertion is simply your assumption...

 
 
 
Tessylo
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5.3  Tessylo  replied to  JBB @5    2 years ago
"He was just John Q. Citizen at the time AND a businessman trying to make a deal to build a building"

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He's always been a thug and a gangster and a crook and a conman and a grifter and a thief and a lying steaming pile of shit.  

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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5.3.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @5.3    2 years ago

What's so fucking funny? Was he not just Donald J. Trump private citizen? And JBB didn't state that.

He's always been a thug and a gangster and a crook and a conman and a grifter and a thief

Yeah I guess all that time in jail/prison didn't teach him anything...................Oh wait. 

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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5.3.2  Ozzwald  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @5.3.1    2 years ago
Was he not just Donald J. Trump private citizen?

What do YOU call a private citizen meeting with known Russian agents for personal gains?  Intelligence communities call them Russian assets.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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5.3.3  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Ozzwald @5.3.2    2 years ago

hahahaha sure they do.............jrSmiley_76_smiley_image.gif

In case you missed it, he was a businessman and was looking for a way to get to the powers that be to try to make a real estate deal............

 
 
 
JBB
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5.3.4  JBB  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @5.3.3    2 years ago

And, he was also candidate for US President.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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5.3.5  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JBB @5.3.4    2 years ago
And, he was also candidate for US President.

And???????????? Does that make it so his business has to cease? 

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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5.3.6  Ozzwald  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @5.3.3    2 years ago

In case you missed it, he was a businessman and was looking for a way to get to the powers that be to try to make a real estate deal............

Congrats you just repeated what I said.  Why did he deny the deal he was trying to make?

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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5.3.7  Ozzwald  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @5.3.5    2 years ago
Does that make it so his business has to cease?

Foreign business?  YES!

Just like it did for every previous President.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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5.3.8  Greg Jones  replied to  Tessylo @5.3    2 years ago
And Hillary has always been a conniving cunt in addition to being a lying steaming pile of shit.  

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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5.3.9  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Ozzwald @5.3.7    2 years ago

No, their businesses remained. Just like Trump, the formers weren't at the helm any longer. Others carried on. They didn't shut the damned doors. 

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Ozzwald
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5.3.10  Ozzwald  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @5.3.9    2 years ago
No, their businesses remained.

Their businesses remained, but they had no control over the businesses for the duration of their administration.

Just like Trump, the formers weren't at the helm any longer.

Trump never released control of his business.

Trump says won't divest from his business while president

And note 2 things.

  1. His sons were officially members of his administration.
  2. He never LEGALLY passed control to them, or anyone else.  He just said he would.
 
 
 
bugsy
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5.3.11  bugsy  replied to  Tessylo @5.3    2 years ago
He's always been a thug and a gangster and a crook and a conman and a grifter and a thief and a lying steaming pile of shit.  

But more than likely you religiously watched The Apprentice every week, assuring high ratings.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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5.3.12  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Ozzwald @5.3.10    2 years ago

From your own pesky link 

"U.S. President-elect Donald Trump said on Wednesday he would maintain ownership of his global business empire but hand off control to his two oldest sons while president, an arrangement that watchdogs said would not prevent conflicts of interest in the White House."

So if that is the case, where the hell is the ethics charges? And that was 10 days prior to his inauguration. Got anything newer??

 
 
 
Sparty On
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5.3.13  Sparty On  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @5.3.5    2 years ago

That’s a big problem with DC.    Too many career politicians, too few business people.

 
 
 
bbl-1
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5.3.14  bbl-1  replied to  Greg Jones @5.3.8    2 years ago

Oh my.  The conservative defensive logic in all of its splendor of maggots feeding on poopei'.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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5.3.15  Ozzwald  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @5.3.12    2 years ago
From your own pesky link

From my own pesky comment...

  1. His sons were officially members of his administration.
  2. He never LEGALLY passed control to them, or anyone else.  He just said he would.
 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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6  Sean Treacy    2 years ago

The press works for her and pretty much always has.   Reporters emailed her stories about her campaign to edit. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
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6.1  Sparty On  replied to  Sean Treacy @6    2 years ago

Fed her debate questions .....

 
 
 
Tessylo
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8  Tessylo    2 years ago

I forgot to ask - who is the 'lefty press'?

Never heard of them.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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8.1  Greg Jones  replied to  Tessylo @8    2 years ago

All of them, except Fox News....and a few others

 
 
 
bbl-1
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8.1.1  bbl-1  replied to  Greg Jones @8.1    2 years ago

Err, don't you mean FOX and their Allie RT? 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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9  JohnRussell    2 years ago

I started reading through this seed and all the responses but my mind got bogged down.  

The idea that there was never any reason to investigate Trump in 2016 is preposterous. 

 
 
 
bugsy
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10  bugsy    2 years ago

Let's see if our lefty "friends" can  be honest with themselves and this scenario.

Let's switch names. Change every Clinton with either Donald Trump, Trump Jr, Eric Trump or Ivanka and Durham made the same allegations.

What, truthfully, would be your response to that story?

Before any answer, we already know what the responses will be, as evidenced by stories concerning Hunter Biden, in which the media has largely ignored, and ANYTHING Trump, which the media falls all over themselves to get the first "scoop" of anything, all of which have been wrong.

Hell, we have the biggest Trump hater right here on our pages, posting hundreds, if not thousands of anti Trump seeds over the entirety of the Trump administration, but has continued to show the leftist true colors with one post on here, stating that this is a seed not worth paying attention to..

 
 
 
bugsy
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10.1  bugsy  replied to  bugsy @10    2 years ago

Just as I thought.

Liberals know what their reaction would be, yet can't man/woman/other up and admit to it.

It was such an easy way to point out liberal hypocrisy.

 
 

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