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Man wearing Rubio shirt and DeSantis hat 'brutally attacked' in Hialeah, senator says

  
Via:  Jeremy in NC  •  3 years ago  •  133 comments

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Man wearing Rubio shirt and DeSantis hat 'brutally attacked' in Hialeah, senator says
A canvasser wearing a Marco Rubio T-shirt and a Gov. Ron DeSantis hat was "brutally attacked" in Hialeah Sunday night, according to U.S. Senator Marco Rubio.

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A canvasser wearing a Marco Rubio T-shirt and a Gov. Ron DeSantis hat was "brutally attacked" in Hialeah Sunday night, according to U.S. Senator Marco Rubio.

The senator alleged on social media that four attackers — whom he described as "animals" — told the canvasser that "Republicans weren't allowed in their neighborhood."

Details remain scarce, but Hialeah Mayor Esteban "Steve" Bovo said in an interview that the city's police chief told him Monday that the department had made an arrest in the incident. Bovo said he was uncomfortable commenting beyond that, given the lack of information about the incident and the sensitivity of the issue.

Hialeah police did not immediately respond to requests for comment by email and phone.

During a Monday rally at the John F. Kennedy Library in Hialeah to mark the start of early voting in South Florida, Rubio told a crowd about the alleged incident, but stressed that not all the details were known.

"Sadly, we get the news and we're still waiting for details. It's always important to have details. We're not like these other people that always jump to conclusions, but we know this: Someone wearing a Rubio T-Shirt and a DeSantis hat was walking in a neighborhood not far from here yesterday when four individuals assaulted him, broke his nose, broke his jaw," and gave him internal bleeding, Rubio said.

He said the canvasser will need facial reconstructive surgery.

Photos posted to the senator's Twitter and Instagram accounts on Monday show a man wearing a Rubio campaign shirt lying on a gurney. One of his eyes looks bruised and there are streaks of what appears to be blood on his face. His shirt also seems to have specks of what might be blood.


Last night one of our canvassers wearing my T-shirt and a Desantis hat was brutally attacked by 4 animals who told him Republicans weren't allowed in their neighborhood in #Hialeah#Florida
He suffered internal bleeding, a broken jaw & will need facial reconstructive surgery pic.twitter.com/36QpbySg58

— Marco Rubio (@marcorubio) October 24, 2022

Spokespeople for the Rubio campaign said they didn't have additional details to share about the incident and were not aware of any eye witnesses who could confirm the events.

"I can tell you this: political violence should not be tolerated by anyone. Our side or their side, we don't tolerate political violence. In this country, we decide who governs not by street mobs, we decide who governs at the ballot box," Rubio added.


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Jeremy Retired in NC
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1  seeder  Jeremy Retired in NC    3 years ago

There's the tolerance we've all come to know from the left.

KEEP IT ON TOPIC, KEEP IT CIVIL.  Trump is off limits.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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1.1  Jack_TX  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @1    3 years ago
KEEP IT CIVIL.

I think that's the problem right there.

Civility requires maturity, restraint, and some level of intellectual investment.  As a nation, we are increasingly unwilling to make the effort.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.2  Tessylo  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @1    3 years ago

See Comment 6.  Apparently this was not politically motivated and how is it that Marco Rubio

A police report obtained by the    Miami New Times    confirms that a man has been arrested in the attack: 22-year-old Javier Jesus Lopez, who “has a violent past and is out on felony bond,”    according to NBC News reporter    Marc Caputo. The police report says Lopez allegedly told Monzon, “You can’t pass by here. This is my neighborhood,” before slamming him to the ground. But the report “does not mention a political dispute, nor does it indicate that Lopez targeted Monzon because Monzon is a Republican,” according to the    New Times  . The report also does not indicate that Monzon was attacked by “four animals,” as Rubio claimed in his dehumanizing tweet, though    police told CBS    they’re looking to talk to “two other possible people of interest.”

It’s definitely odd for a U.S. senator to tweet out a story before local news or the police have said a word about it, and conveniently leave out the fact that the victim has a history of perpetrating white supremacist violence himself.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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1.2.1  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Tessylo @1.2    3 years ago

dehumanizing tweet”

?

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.2.2  Tessylo  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @1.2.1    3 years ago

So that's what you focus on.

 
 
 
George
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1.2.3  George  replied to  Tessylo @1.2    3 years ago

the victim has a history of perpetrating white supremacist violence himself

the ignorant piece of shit press shaming the victim without offering any proof, hopefully they are sued out of existence.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.2.4  Tessylo  replied to  George @1.2.3    3 years ago

You mean Marco Rubio?

Yeah, they need to sue the shit out of him.  

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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1.2.5  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Tessylo @1.2.2    3 years ago

No, it's what I questioned.  The punctuation mark should have been a clue.

 
 
 
Ronin2
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1.2.6  Ronin2  replied to  Tessylo @1.2.4    3 years ago

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Tessylo
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1.2.7  Tessylo  replied to  Ronin2 @1.2.6    3 years ago

What victim?

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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1.2.8  Right Down the Center  replied to  Tessylo @1.2    3 years ago
It’s definitely odd for a U.S. senator to tweet out a story before local news or the police have said a word about it

It is odd that a president accuses people of whipping illegals and say that they will pay for it even after the photographer that took the picture said they were not whipping anyone.  Still waiting for Joe to  apologize.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.2.9  Tessylo  replied to  Right Down the Center @1.2.8    3 years ago

WTF are you deflecting about?

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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1.2.11  Right Down the Center  replied to  Tessylo @1.2.9    3 years ago

How quickly some forget when Joe does what they accuse others of doing.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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1.2.12  Right Down the Center  replied to  Texan1211 @1.2.10    3 years ago

Probably starting a gofund me for bail

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.2.13  Tessylo  replied to  Right Down the Center @1.2.11    3 years ago

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Right Down the Center
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1.2.14  Right Down the Center  replied to  Tessylo @1.2.13    3 years ago

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JohnRussell
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2  JohnRussell    3 years ago

This incident is worse than what happened on Jan 6th !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We must condemn both sides equally  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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2.1  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @2    3 years ago

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JohnRussell
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2.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @2.1    3 years ago

You mean you dont think this one incident is worse than Jan 6th ?  I find that hard to believe. 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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2.1.2  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.1    3 years ago
You mean you dont think this one incident is worse than Jan 6th ? 

You've either not read my previous comments on 6 Jan 2021 or just let your biases run away with you.

I find that hard to believe. 

I can't explain what you believe and don't believe either.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1.3  JohnRussell  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @2.1.2    3 years ago
I can't explain

Noted

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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2.1.4  Jasper2529  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @2.1    3 years ago

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Drinker of the Wry
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2.1.5  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.3    3 years ago

Let's hope you've noted it better than you've noted my comments on 6th Jan.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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2.1.6  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Jasper2529 @2.1.4    3 years ago

Removed for context

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1.7  JohnRussell  replied to  Jasper2529 @2.1.4    3 years ago

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Jasper2529
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2.1.8  Jasper2529  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @2.1.6    3 years ago

Scroll down to the bottom of the front page.

 
 
 
Ronin2
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2.1.9  Ronin2  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.1    3 years ago

You will continue to excuse the "Summer of Love" forever. "Mostly peaceful protests" as the world burned down Democrats and their media sycophants ears.

Move on from Jan 6th; the rest of the thinking world has. Which rules out Democrats and the TDS riddled.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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2.1.10  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.7    3 years ago

Somebody's jealous./sarc

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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2.1.11  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @2.1.6    3 years ago

Found it, thanks:

Skirting the CoC

Comments that violate the spirit of the CoC but not the letter are ‘skirting the CoC’. Skirting the CoC is a violation.

In the military we have something similar in the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ).

Article 134—General article a. Text of statute. Though not specifically mentioned in this chapter, all disorders and neglects to the prejudice of good order and discipline in the armed forces, all conduct of a nature to bring discredit upon the armed forces, and crimes and offenses not capital, of which persons subject to this chapter may be guilty, shall be taken cognizance of by a general, special, or summary court-martial, according to the nature and degree of the offense, and shall be punished at the discretion of that court.

Key is the phrase, "at the discretion of the court".  

Authorities, regardless of the forum. find a catch-all to be convenient and useful.  

 
 
 
arkpdx
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2.1.12  arkpdx  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.7    3 years ago

I could name someone on the left that had no business being a moderator. I even complained about him but was brushed off. 

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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2.1.13  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @2.1.11    3 years ago

When I was in the Navy we also called Article 134 of the UCMJ the catch all article. If you could not get them on a specific charge, invoke Article 134.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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2.1.14  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @2.1.13    3 years ago

Exactly. 

I just reviewed my Oct tickets and only have one for skirting, most are for taunting or trolling.  If I get a ticket I want to get it the old fashioned way, I want to earn it.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.1.15  Tessylo  replied to  Ronin2 @2.1.9    3 years ago

Looks like you'll continue to deflect forever.  

 
 
 
Ronin2
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2.1.16  Ronin2  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.15    3 years ago

Yet you continue to comment. 

Why is that?

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.1.17  Tessylo  replied to  Ronin2 @2.1.16    3 years ago

What are you talking about?  You're the one who always deflects.

 
 
 
Ronin2
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2.1.18  Ronin2  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.17    3 years ago

You are still commenting.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.1.19  Tessylo  replied to  Ronin2 @2.1.18    3 years ago

Wow!  Nothing gets by you!

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.2  seeder  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @2    3 years ago

Keep it on topic.  Only warning.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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2.2.1  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.2    3 years ago

Some people routinely  mistake topic for toxic.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3  Tessylo    3 years ago

I wonder if this was staged like the guy who wrote the racist remarks himself as well as burning his own trailer?

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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3.1  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Tessylo @3    3 years ago

Please let us know what conclusion you reach when you're done wondering.

 
 
 
squiggy
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3.2  squiggy  replied to  Tessylo @3    3 years ago

You figure he slammed his head in the door of a '67 Pontiac?

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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3.3  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Tessylo @3    3 years ago

Say what?  You think that guy beat himself up and on purpose? Totally out of context and makes zero sense. Please close the door to the Twilight Zone behind you when you go back!/sarc

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.3.1  Tessylo  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @3.3    3 years ago

I didn't say HE beat himself up.  You never know with whackjobs/people who vote gop/gqp/republican.  He could have hired someone to do it.  You never know.  

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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3.4  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @3    3 years ago
if this was staged

More like Jussie Smollett IF...........................

 
 
 
Ronin2
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3.4.1  Ronin2  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.4    3 years ago

Smollet only gave himself minor injuries and bruising.

He suffered minor injuries and bruising, the report said.

If this guy was pulling a Smollet he really went all in.

Someone wearing a Rubio T-Shirt and a DeSantis hat was walking in a neighborhood not far from here yesterday when four individuals assaulted him, broke his nose, broke his jaw," and gave him internal bleeding, Rubio said.

He said the canvasser will need facial reconstructive surgery.

Photos posted to the senator's Twitter and Instagram accounts on Monday show a man wearing a Rubio campaign shirt lying on a gurney. One of his eyes looks bruised and there are streaks of what appears to be blood on his face. His shirt also seems to have specks of what might be blood.

They also have arrested one person already.

Torres said the victim, who wasn’t named, had crossed the street at 140 E. 60th St. after being told he couldn’t hand out fliers there, and that he was followed. Torres said Javier Lopez, 25, struck him repeatedly, causing bruises and lacerations. Lopez was arrested, Torres said. He didn’t say what crime Lopez was charged with.

Either he loves long term pain and disfigurement; or he really was attacked. I am going with attacked until proven different.

 
 
 
George
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3.4.2  George  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.4    3 years ago

What????? You didn't believe there were MAGA hat wearing white supremists wandering around Chicago with Bleach and the lamest noose ever at 2 O'clock in the morning looking to Attack an African American? 

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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3.4.3  Jasper2529  replied to  George @3.4.2    3 years ago

... during a polar vortex

 
 
 
George
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4  George    3 years ago

I hate to break it to Marco, but there are more than 4 animals in the democrat party,

An 83-year-old woman campaigning against Proposal 3 in Michigan was allegedly  shot  in the back Sept. 20 while passing out campaign literature. In North Dakota, a man who allegedly  ran down  18-year-old Cayler Ellingson on Sept. 18, reportedly claimed the teen was a “Republican extremist.”

On the plus side, Kyle Rittenhouse managed to thin the herd a little.  

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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4.1  Jasper2529  replied to  George @4    3 years ago
I hate to break it to Marco, but there are more than 4 animals in the democrat party,

There are plenty more ... including ...

 
 
 
Tessylo
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4.2  Tessylo  replied to  George @4    3 years ago

Rittenhouse is a killer who murdered innocent bystanders.  [insult]  

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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4.2.1  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Tessylo @4.2    3 years ago

His jury disagreed and found that that those shot weren't standing by.

 
 
 
George
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4.2.2  George  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @4.2.1    3 years ago

Unarmed in a blue state and Rittenhouse is a statistic of left wing violence, Self defense against the criminal stupid should be protected. the Jury got it 100% right.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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4.2.3  Tessylo  replied to  George @4.2.2    3 years ago

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Ed-NavDoc
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4.2.4  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Tessylo @4.2    3 years ago

One of those said "innocent" bystanders was attempting to beat Rittenhouse over the head with a skateboard.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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4.2.5  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  George @4.2.2    3 years ago

Innocent on all counts no less.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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4.2.6  Tessylo  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @4.2.4    3 years ago

To stop the young republican killer from murdering someone else.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
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4.2.7  Tessylo  replied to  Tessylo @4.2.6    3 years ago

He was armed with a deadly skateboard

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George
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4.2.8  George  replied to  Tessylo @4.2.6    3 years ago

Only a complete moron brings a skateboard to a gunfight, he must have been a card carrying ANTIFA dumbass.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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4.2.9  Tessylo  replied to  George @4.2.8    3 years ago

No sounds like he was a skateboarder trying to stop a killer with the only 'weapon' he had.  

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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4.2.10  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Tessylo @4.2.9    3 years ago

The jury had the benefit of testimony which you haven't apparently heard.

 
 
 
George
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4.2.11  George  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @4.2.10    3 years ago

Who wants to bet this moron feels qualified to lecture others on gun safety?  what a complete tool!

256

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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4.2.12  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Tessylo @4.2.7    3 years ago

You ever seen somebody hit with a skateboard? I have and they certainly can do a lot of damage and potentially kill somebody.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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4.2.13  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @4.2.10    3 years ago

Bingo!

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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4.2.14  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @4.2.10    3 years ago

Obviously.

 
 
 
Sunshine
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4.2.15  Sunshine  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @4.2.12    3 years ago
You ever seen somebody hit with a skateboard? I have and they certainly can do a lot of damage and potentially kill somebody.

Sure can.  Knock them over and slam their head into the pavement.  

My neighbor's son died from riding a skateboard because he fell and hit his head.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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4.2.16  Tessylo  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @4.2.12    3 years ago

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Ed-NavDoc
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4.2.18  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Tessylo @4.2.9    3 years ago

Only problem with your statement is that he had not shot anybody up to that point! So how was he a killer?

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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4.2.19  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Texan1211 @4.2.17    3 years ago

Exactly!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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5  Vic Eldred    3 years ago

No surprise. You wear that hat and those who have no fear of the law act on their feelings.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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5.1  Jasper2529  replied to  Vic Eldred @5    3 years ago

Maxine Waters, Nancy Pelosi, and that violent ilk are very happy.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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5.1.1  Tessylo  replied to  Jasper2529 @5.1    3 years ago

Very happy about what?

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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5.1.2  Jasper2529  replied to  Tessylo @5.1.1    3 years ago
Very happy about what?

Well, they're very violent women. Maybe you've forgotten?

 
 
 
Tessylo
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5.1.3  Tessylo  replied to  Jasper2529 @5.1.2    3 years ago

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Violent how?

 
 
 
Tessylo
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5.1.4  Tessylo  replied to  Jasper2529 @5.1.2    3 years ago

I know lots of people that would happily punch that fuckface in his fuckface.    That doesn't make us violent.  

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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5.1.5  Jasper2529  replied to  Tessylo @5.1.4    3 years ago

Punching someone in the face isn't violent? In the legal world, it's called assault and battery. 

In most states, assault and battery occurs when a person attempts to physically hit another person, or acts in a threatening way to put another in fear of being immediately harmed. Some states find that aggravated assault and battery occur when someone tries or does cause injury in another person, or causes injury through using a deadly weapon.

Penalties for Federal Assault Charges

A simple federal assault charge can result in up to six months in prison. If the person who was assaulted is under 16, the maximum imprisonment can increase to one year. If the assault leads to ‘serious’ injury, the prison sentence can be as high as 10 years. The injury is deemed to be serious if there is substantial risk of death; extreme pain; and continued and obvious disfigurement.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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5.1.6  Tessylo  replied to  Jasper2529 @5.1.5    3 years ago

Well no shit Sherlock!

Wanting to punch someone and actually punching someone are two different things, you know that, right?

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Drinker of the Wry
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5.1.7  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Tessylo @5.1.6    3 years ago
Wanting to punch someone and actually punching someone are two different things, you know that, right?

Exactly, I sure there are a lot of things that you want to do but far fewer that you really do.

 
 
 
George
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5.2  George  replied to  Vic Eldred @5    3 years ago

I don't know where these animals get the idea that violence is okay.

Biden  labeled  Trump’s supporters “a threat to democracy” during a Sept. 1 speech in Philadelphia while Democratic Rep. Tim Ryan   urged  America to “kill and confront” a movement he described as “extremist” during a Sept. 13 MSNBC appearance.

 
 
 
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5.2.1  Ronin2  replied to  George @5.2    3 years ago

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Tessylo
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5.2.2  Tessylo  replied to  George @5.2    3 years ago

"Biden   labeled    Trump’s supporters “a threat to democracy”

They are a threat to Democracy.  A very valid one.  

 
 
 
Ronin2
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5.2.3  Ronin2  replied to  Tessylo @5.2.2    3 years ago

Only to Democrat fascists and those that support them.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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5.2.4  Tessylo  replied to  Ronin2 @5.2.3    3 years ago

There is no such thing.

They're all on your side.  

 
 
 
Ronin2
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5.2.5  Ronin2  replied to  Tessylo @5.2.4    3 years ago

You really need to learn the definition of Fascism.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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5.2.6  Tessylo  replied to  Ronin2 @5.2.5    3 years ago

No, you do.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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5.2.7  seeder  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Tessylo @5.2.2    3 years ago
They are a threat to Democracy

How EXACTLY.  Make sure to provide links.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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5.2.8  Jasper2529  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @5.2.7    3 years ago

"Threat to Democracy" is the left's most recent political dog whistle. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
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5.2.9  Tessylo  replied to  Jasper2529 @5.2.8    3 years ago

No that's the truth.  

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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5.2.12  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Tessylo @5.2.6    3 years ago

Google Benito Mussolini and the rise of fascism in Italy. You might find it educational.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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5.2.13  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @5.2.12    3 years ago

He and FDR had a mutual fan club in the 30's:

"I don't mind telling you in confidence, that I am keeping in fairly close touch with that admirable Italian gentleman'" FDR

"It's the cleanest … most efficiently operating piece of social machinery I've ever seen. It makes me envious" Rexford Tugwell, a leading adviser to FDR on Mussolini's program to modernize Italy

 In his applauding review of FDR's 1933 book Looking Forward, Mussolini wrote, “Reminiscent of Fascism is the principle that the state no longer leaves the economy to its own devices.… Without question, the mood accompanying this sea change resembles that of Fascism.”

The Nazi newspaper, Volkischer Beobachter, repeatedly praised “Roosevelt’s adoption of National Socialist strains of thought in his economic and social policies” and “the development toward an authoritarian state” based on the “demand that collective good be put before individual self‐​interest.”
 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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5.2.14  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @5.2.13    3 years ago

But I think even FDR ultimately realized that fascism was a dismal failed social experiment.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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5.2.15  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @5.2.14    3 years ago

Perhaps, but powerful people love power.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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5.2.16  Tessylo  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @5.2.12    3 years ago

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Ed-NavDoc
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5.2.17  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @5.2.15    3 years ago

Very true. Absolute power does indeed corrupt absolutely.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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5.2.18  Tessylo  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @5.2.17    3 years ago

How profound

 
 
 
Tessylo
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6  Tessylo    3 years ago

Here's an interesting slant on this

Marco Rubio Canvasser, a Notorious White Supremacist, Was Beaten in Miami Area

Laura Bassett
Mon, October 24, 2022 at 6:15 PM
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Photo: Getty Images/Marco Rubio, Twitter

If you follow Marco Rubio or basically any prominent Republican on Twitter, you probably saw a story the Florida senator tweeted Monday morning about one of his canvassers being beaten by four men who “told him Republicans weren’t allowed in their neighborhood.” Rubio attached grisly ambulance photos to the tweet:

Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) and others quickly jumped on the story, of course, and re-shared it as proof that “tolerant” Democrats are not so tolerant after all—despite the lack of any police report or local news stories confirming the details.

I immediately smelled a rat , especially considering that Hialeah, Florida—where the incident took place—is a Republican stronghold. As the day goes on, it’s become increasingly clear that the story didn’t happen the way Rubio said it did. First, the victim in question has been identified as Christopher Monzon, a white supremacist nicknamed the “Cuban Confederate” who participated in the neo-Nazi rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, has a history of violence, and is  deeply involved  in Miami Republican politics.

A police report obtained by the   Miami New Times   confirms that a man has been arrested in the attack: 22-year-old Javier Jesus Lopez, who “has a violent past and is out on felony bond,”   according to NBC News reporter   Marc Caputo. The police report says Lopez allegedly told Monzon, “You can’t pass by here. This is my neighborhood,” before slamming him to the ground. But the report “does not mention a political dispute, nor does it indicate that Lopez targeted Monzon because Monzon is a Republican,” according to the   New Times . The report also does not indicate that Monzon was attacked by “four animals,” as Rubio claimed in his dehumanizing tweet, though   police told CBS   they’re looking to talk to “two other possible people of interest.”

It’s definitely odd for a U.S. senator to tweet out a story before local news or the police have said a word about it, and conveniently leave out the fact that the victim has a history of perpetrating white supremacist violence himself.

It feels almost like the desperate move of a politician whose Democratic opponent   wiped the floor   with him in a debate last week. If a known white supremacist was wearing a t-shirt with my name on it while canvassing for my Senate race, I’m not sure I’d broadcast that incident in defense of him, counting on everyone to gloss over the little details about who the man actually is.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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6.1  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Tessylo @6    3 years ago

I immediately smelled a rat

So did I.  If there’s one thing Republicans are terrible at it’s trying to create a false narrative that is realistic.  They will flock to attack the Jussie Smollett story like stink on shit, but think that they can do the same thing without anyone noticing.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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6.2  seeder  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Tessylo @6    3 years ago

I'm actually surprised.  I'm surprised it took this long for some clown to make it about race.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
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6.2.1  Tessylo  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @6.2    3 years ago

That's what white supremacists like this 'victim' do.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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6.2.2  seeder  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Tessylo @6.2.1    3 years ago

And here you are trying to make it about race...

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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6.3  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @6    3 years ago

Your own link confirms the truth:


"The police report says Lopez allegedly told Monzon, “You can’t pass by here. This is my neighborhood,” before slamming him to the ground."


It looks like the only "rat" that Laura Bassett smelled was most likely herself.

How stupid does Bassett think everyone is?




 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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6.3.1  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.3    3 years ago

You can’t pass by here. This is my neighborhood

And that has something to do with his shirt and hat?!  How stupid do you think everyone is?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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6.3.2  Vic Eldred  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @6.3.1    3 years ago
And that has something to do with his shirt and hat?!

It has everything to do with the violent, intolerant left.


"The victim, in order to avoid the confrontation walked across the street where he was again confronted by Mr. Lopez,' Torres' statement continues.

'During the verbal dispute, Mr. Lopez then struck the victim multiple times in the face and head causing the injuries.' 

According to The Daily Beast, a third man stepped in and kicked Lopez in an attempt to stave off the attack, but ran off before police arrived. 

Lopez then allegedly punched the Rubio volunteer 'multiple times with closed fists… causing him to have a severe swelling on the right side of his face and his right eye being completely shut… [Lopez] continued striking the [volunteer] on his mouth causing a severe swelling and bleeding.'



 
 
 
George
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6.3.3  George  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @6.3.1    3 years ago
How stupid do you think everyone is?

Dumb enough to believe there were 2 white guys wearing MAGA hats wandering around in a polar vortex carrying bleach and a noose after midnight in Chicago looking to attack an African American.

The bar is extremely low for what kind of stupid shit people will believe and run with.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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6.3.4  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.3.2    3 years ago
A police report obtained by the   Miami New Times   confirms that a man has been arrested in the attack: 22-year-old Javier Jesus Lopez, who “has a violent past and is out on felony bond,”   according to NBC News reporter   Marc Caputo. The police report says Lopez allegedly told Monzon, “You can’t pass by here. This is my neighborhood,” before slamming him to the ground. But the report “does not mention a political dispute, nor does it indicate that Lopez targeted Monzon because Monzon is a Republican,” according to the   New Times . The report also does not indicate that Monzon was attacked by “four animals,” as Rubio claimed in his dehumanizing tweet, though   police told CBS   they’re looking to talk to “two other possible people of interest.”

It’s definitely odd for a U.S. senator to tweet out a story before local news or the police have said a word about it, and conveniently leave out the fact that the victim has a history of perpetrating white supremacist violence himself.

It feels almost like the desperate move of a politician whose Democratic opponent   wiped the floor   with him in a debate last week. If a known white supremacist was wearing a t-shirt with my name on it while canvassing for my Senate race, I’m not sure I’d broadcast that incident in defense of him, counting on everyone to gloss over the little details about who the man actually is.

It says nowhere that he is a victim of anyone on the LEFT

 
 
 
Tessylo
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6.3.5  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.3.2    3 years ago

Key word 'allegedly'

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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6.3.6  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  George @6.3.3    3 years ago

Smollett is a low level actor.  Rubio and Cruz are senators.  Do you not see a difference?

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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6.3.7  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.3.2    3 years ago

It has everything to do with the violent, intolerant left.

Lol!  The only reference to politics in your entire quote is a the author repeatedly identifying the victim as a Rubio volunteer.  He wasn’t attacked because he was a Rubio volunteer.  Pathetic.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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6.3.8  Tessylo  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @6.3.7    3 years ago

We know it has absolutely nothing to do with 'the Left'

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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6.3.9  Vic Eldred  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @6.3.7    3 years ago

It doesn't matter what he was. People on the left don't have the right to violent attack people.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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6.3.10  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Tessylo @6.3.4    3 years ago

So you no longer think that the victim attacked himself?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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6.3.11  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @6.3.4    3 years ago

That print keeps getting larger and larger.

A sure sign that you lost the argument.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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6.3.12  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Tessylo @6.3.8    3 years ago

Exactly, Javier Jesus Lopez is likely a right-wing reactionary.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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6.3.13  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.3.9    3 years ago

He was violently attacked by anyone on the LEFT.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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6.3.14  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.3.11    3 years ago

Never happened.

Never will.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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6.3.15  Tessylo  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @6.3.10    3 years ago

I never said that the alleged victim attacked himself.

But you knew that already

 
 
 
Tessylo
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6.3.16  Tessylo  replied to  Tessylo @6.3.13    3 years ago

NOT

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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6.3.17  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Tessylo @6.3.15    3 years ago

I think that you were wondering about that.

3

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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6.3.18  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.3.9    3 years ago

People on the left don't have the right to violent attack people.

I agree.  Let us know when that actually happens.

 
 
 
Ronin2
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6.3.19  Ronin2  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @6.3.18    3 years ago

Look up the "Summer of Love" not so peaceful riots.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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6.3.20  Tessylo  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @6.3.18    3 years ago

Another deflection by Ronin below.  That's all he has.

+Projection and denial.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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6.3.21  Tessylo  replied to  Tessylo @6.3.20    3 years ago

I mean above

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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6.3.23  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Tessylo @6.3.13    3 years ago

Guess again. Second perp has since been arrested and told police that the victim was in fact assaulted for being a Republican.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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6.3.25  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @6.3.23    3 years ago

Guess again … again.

 

 
 
 
afrayedknot
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7  afrayedknot    3 years ago

Citing the anecdotal is an easy way to avoid the real issues.

In this day and age, there are daily examples aplenty…but they do nothing but distract from the necessary discussion. That is, why and how do these instances continue to drive the narrative rather than having the more difficult debate? The answer is because it is easier to play to the base than actually demanding more.

We are all culpable, just spend a day here.

I quit. 

 
 

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