Michigan AG acknowledges investigation into 2020 potential voter fraud, referral to FBI | Just The News
By: Natalia Mittelstadt (Just The News)
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The attorney general's office confirmed that among 8,000 to 10,000 voter registration forms submitted to the Muskegon clerk before the 2020 general election, some were suspected to be fraudulent.
Nearly three years after the 2020 presidential election, Americans are still learning facts about possible nationwide voter fraud. In Michigan, Attorney General Dana Nessel's office has now confirmed that there was a state investigation into thousands of suspected fraudulent voter registrations, which was referred to the FBI.
Danny Wimmer, Nessel's press secretary, told Just the News on Tuesday that among 8,000 to 10,000 voter registration forms that were submitted to the Muskegon clerk before the 2020 general election, some were suspected to be fraudulent.
"An organization turned in some thousands of voter registrations throughout the fall of 2020, estimated on the high end to be cumulatively 8-10,000, and some within those batches were found to be suspicious or fraudulent," Wimmer said. "There were legitimate registrations within the batches. The city clerk receiving the batches alerted authorities when she began noticing irregularities.
"None of the fraudulent material was incorporated into the state's qualified voter file, and this had no effect on any ballot requests or associated processes. This attempted fraud was detected because the system worked."
The 2020 investigation into the potential voter fraud made news last week when The Gateway Pundit highlighted police reports regarding the probe.
Wimmer told The Detroit News last week that the "attempted fraud" was stopped prior to Election Day because the state election system worked and the applicants were not added to the voter rolls.
"The city clerk in Muskegon detected the fraudulent material provided and alerted the proper authorities," the Michigan AG's office said in a statement. "A thorough investigation was conducted by multiple agencies within the state and no successful fraud was perpetrated upon the state's election process or qualified voter file."
The state investigation was made public in October 2020, after the Muskegon city clerk reported the potential fraud to the state Bureau of Elections, which then referred the issue to Nessel and state police. Muskegon police also investigated the potential fraud with the state police.
The AG's press secretary explained to The Detroit News that state officials referred the unresolved investigation to the FBI since it has national jurisdiction. Wimmer told Just the News, "The case was referred to the FBI in March of 2021."
When asked about the investigation, the FBI National Press Office told Just the News on Thursday that their "standard practice [is] to neither confirm nor deny the existence of an investigation."
The Michigan investigation is the latest revelation regarding the 2020 presidential election in recent months.
In July, irregularities that occurred during the Fulton County 2020 election audit were revealed. The errors found by the investigators amounted to about 3,000 extra absentee votes counted for Joe Biden during the audit, according to a rough estimate by the Atlanta Journal-Constitution. However, it was not used for the state's certified vote count. The overall audit count was close to the official machine results. The paper also said that the finding did not change the outcome showing Biden defeated Trump in Georgia.
There is also an ongoing lawsuit regarding alleged counterfeit ballots that were included in the 2020 absentee election results in Fulton County. The case was dismissed last summer but reinstated earlier this year following a ruling by the Georgia Supreme Court that redefined what constitutes "standing" for a party to bring a lawsuit, including voters.
Allegations of electoral election irregularities from the 2020 presidential election are also related to the latest federal indictment against former President Donald Trump, which claims that he conspired "to overturn the legitimate results of the 2020 presidential election by using knowingly false claims of election fraud to obstruct the federal government function by which those results are collected, counted, and certified."
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So this was referred to the FBI in March 2021. Wonder what they have been doing. Oh, that's right...
Biden won Michigan by over 150,000 votes.
Voting fraud is voting fraud.
No matter how Democrats/Leftists ignore it; or make excuses for it.
The only time Democrats care is when they are abusing voting laws to go after Republicans.
Doesn't it bother you that Dems have to cheat to win?
So, because dumb ass won anyway those who attempted to commit fraud should not be prosecuted?
What happened to all the penalties for election fraud the lefties told us about?
ONE fraudulent vote put's the entire "win" in question.
FTA: "None of the fraudulent material was incorporated into the state's qualified voter file, and this had no effect on any ballot requests or associated processes. This attempted fraud was detected because the system worked."
So you can say with 100% certainty that there is NO questionable ballots?
That is utterly ridiculous.
Let's say an election ends with the R receiving 10,000 votes and the D receiving 4,000 votes. Then we discover that a single vote was cast by a dead person. You would deem the R win to be in question?? Would you force a recount? Would you engage in lawsuits?
Give me (us all) a break.
I'm pretty sure there were at least 16 who tried really hard.
Yes it does.
A full, 100% audit, then a recount. It's the right thing to do.
You mean because somebody questioned the results?
So you can't say with any certainty that there was nothing wrong. 8,000 to 10,000 voter registration forms were found; how many weren't found?
B.U.L.L.S.H.I.T.
I doubt any thinking person would believe that you would force an audit and a recount if a Republican had 10,000 votes, the Democrat had 4,000 votes and a single vote by a dead person was discovered.
You attempt to do that and rational people (especially those who have a concept of statistics) would laugh you out of the room.
( The R had 2.5 times the votes of the D; R won with 71.5% of the votes cast. A single vote is 0.0071% of the votes cast. )
You ask my opinion. I gave it. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it my problem.
Did you read the article that you posted?
You'll notice that it wasn't 8-10 thousand fraudulent registrations. It was "some within those batches". Also you need to keep in mind that these weren't votes. These were voter registration forms. It's important but do you think it's as important as 16 fraudulent electoral votes?
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And I called BULLSHIT on your 'opinion'.
Hell, Jeremy, if a Republican candidate won with 71.5% of the votes (per my scenario) you would cry foul if anyone tried to challenge the election.
You actually think anyone here believes that you would challenge a Republican win of 10,000 vs. 4,000 because a single dead person vote was found?
B.U.L.L.S.H.I.T.
So you believe that Jeremy would launch an audit, recount, etc. if a Republican won with 10,000 votes against a Democrat with 4,000 votes because a single dead person vote was discovered?
I don't know Jeremy well enough to know what he would do. [deleted]
Yeah, not going to happen.
That's on you. Deal with it how ever you like.
And all it takes is 1 to put it all into question.
B.U.L.L.S.H.I.T.
We all have seen his collective posts for years. IMO there is no rational mind on this forum who has observed his posts that would think he would challenge a Republican win of 10,000 to 4,000.
But let's see what you would do (since surely you know yourself well enough):
Let's say an election ends with the R receiving 10,000 votes and the D receiving 4,000 votes. Then we discover that a single vote was cast by a dead person. Would you deem the R win to be in question?? Would you force a recount? Would you engage in lawsuits?
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Yes, but only if you have criminal intent to defraud the voters...
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After being married for almost 40 years I have learned sometimes the only response to get away from the badgering is "whatever you say dear". Of course I love my wife though.
I agree. The difference is TiG is not my wife.
Yeah, who would?
And yes, I do not accept that a die-hard R would investigate a win by an R of 10,000 votes vs. 4,000 votes by the D due to a single fraudulent vote.
So yes I call that bullshit as would any other rational human being who is who is being honest.
Then I have no alternative but to call bullshit on your bullshit and you being the self proclaimed authority on who is rational and honest. I don't know why it is so hard for anyone to believe a repulican would want a fair and above board election. Ultimately it is all just your opinion.
I'll give you one. Looking back at my statement, I did make a mistake in my statement.
Regardless if an "R" or "D" won and there are ballots / registrations in question - I wouldn't call either a winner until a full investigation is conducted, a 100% audit and recount is completed.
Yet you seem to have no problem at all with OVER 100% of Michigan's electoral votes being fraudulent.
The way rational officials operate is to recognize that 100% accuracy is unrealistic. So if the discrepancy is minor and there is no statistically plausible chance the outcome would be affected, they will not hold up the election. The discrepancies can be addressed afterwards as part of normal process improvement.
So 10,000 votes for an R vs. 4,000 for the D would require a substantial number of discrepancies to make a difference. It is bullshit to claim that you would hold up the election for a single discrepancy especially given the winner was a Republican.
I acknowledge that you are revising your position.
Of course you leap to intellectual dishonesty with a strawman.
I did not argue that an R (as in any R as in a general stereotype) would not want a fair election. I argued that it is bullshit that a particular R partisan would hold up an R win of 10,000 vs D of 4,000 due to a single discrepancy.
Intellectual dishonesty is a loser tactic.
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They are held accountable under the rule of law aren't they?
Michigan's AG knew about this for years and hasn't done jack shit about it. She dumped it on the FBI- who won't even admit they a investigating. Hint- no leaks means no investigation. The DOJ/FBI are all about leaks when they are investigating Republicans- but clam up and drag their feet when investigating Democrats.
Nessel loves to go after Republicans/Conservatives- but develops instant memory loss when it comes to Democrats.
You fail to address the content of my post.
You falsely stated I claimed a republican would ipso facto not want a fair and above board election. That is a lie.
Again. It didn't happen did it?
And those that tried are being held accountable under the rule of law.
Seems you have a gigantic disconnect from what was attempted, never made it out of the starting blocks, and failed miserably. And what was tried and snuck through; but in the end didn't effect the results.
Democrats do love their criminals- so long as they are their own.
I do not accept that a die-hard R would investigate a win by an R of 10,000 votes vs. 4,000 votes by the D due to a single fraudulent vote.
You did not specify a person in that statement. You said die-hard Republicans would not care to verify the election counts.
Ipso Facto you say they would not care to verify elections as long as they won.
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Would you accept that Republicans would want the person(s) responsible for the one fraudulent vote held accountable under the law?
That is more than I would say about Democrats- unless it was a Republican or Conservative that cast the fraudulent vote- then they would turn over heaven and earth to bring them to "justice".
Of course. This is not party related. Read my @1.1.32
I wrote no such thing. Another lie:
I was talking about the specific scenario in context and the claim made by the single die-hard R in context. You are ignoring context and dishonestly generalizing. If I were speaking of all Rs (which I do not hold to be true) I would have written: "Republicans" rather than "a die-hard R". And if speaking of all die-hard Republicans I would have used "die-hard Republicans" vs. "a die-hard R".
Nothing was "snuck through". None of these fraudulent registrations ever made it to the voter rolls as far as I can tell. I've registered a lot of voters. You get a few Micky Mouses and Heywood Jablomes. These registrations never made it out of the blocks either and never became a vote. I get it. You want prosecutions for this. I don't know why they haven't happened yet. Maybe they don't know who's responsible or there isn't enough evidence. The fraudulent "electors" are being prosecuted though and that's a good thing.
That is the problem, it is only as far as you can tell. It is also as far as the Michigan AG can tell; and the non caring FBI can tell as well. The FBI has far better things to do than investigate Democrats. Like continue to track down Jan 6th rioters; harass parents who have the audacity to question what school boards want to teach their kids; and above all else get Trump!!!!
BS, and more BS. Democrats tried to hide this from the public. "It's to hard to find out who turned in fraudulent votes". You sound exactly like Garland with his "It was dark and it is hard to tell who committed the crimes" when responding to why no one had been charged in the attacks on religious anti abortion clinics and health care providers. I don't know. start with the assholes that had the temerity to spray paint their names on the walls! Who wanted to intimidate people. Who knew that the government would let them get away with it. That seems like a damn good place. Far too logical for tor the FBI, DOJ, and state/local authorities it seems.
In case you missed it. These votes were turned in by a group - not individual voters. Chain of custody begins and ends with them. Shouldn't be too hard to find out who they are- if Democrats gave a rats ass.
Nessel has no problem going after a fake Republican electors- who never made it out of the starting gate in their attempt- that is known and provable. She had no problem investigating and bringing charges.
Either the laws apply to everyone or no one. Democrats are quickly bringing about the day when it will be no one. They will also be the ones bitching the loudest when that day comes.
If you have any evidence of any actual fraudulent votes I'd be glad to look at it. Otherwise I'm done with this thread.
Don't worry- they will have a non answer for everyone by sometime in 2028; maybe.
Exactly what the rest of the DAs, prosecutors, etc, have been doing.
Waiting until right before the 2024 election to file "charges".
If Trump were not running, or if he dropped out of the race, these "charges" would miraculously go away.
Why would they file charges at this time only to make Trump a martyr? If they were (collectively) doing that then the only logic I see is that they are trying to ensure Trump is the GOP nominee. Is that what you think is going on ... a mass legal conspiracy just to ensure Trump is the GOP nominee?
Further, you quoted "charges" as if to suggest they are without merit. Do you think these indictments are all without merit?
Not a chance. Don't buy into nonsense conspiracy theories. Read the indictments, compare them to what we know (which is a considerable amount) and then compare the charges to the US code. These charges are predominantly very strong. This is serious business.
Very good. Now you are catching on. They think he will be the easiest to beat.They probably heavily miscalculated true patriotic Americans.
"Not a chance. "
My post stands. You not liking it is only your problem.
Okay, so you actually believe that there is a mass legal conspiracy to indict Trump so as to raise the ire of his base, make him a victim, and help him secure the GOP nomination. Now that is one hell of an organized effort and quite a brilliant strategy playing the GOP voters so that they would nominate Trump when they would have nominated someone else if he were not indicted.
Is that what you believe, Bugsy?
You necessarily then believe that the charges in the indictments are all without merit. That all these legal forces have put forth indictments that will make them look foolish and are sure to fail in a court of law. That you cannot even imagine how Trump's wrongdoings could possibly result in indictments with real merit.
Feel free to clear this up with specifics if you disagree with my assessment.
Funny how legal analysis consistently concludes that each of these indictments have serious merit. The worst I have observed are analysts pointing out areas (e.g. intent in some circumstances) that may prove difficult to prosecute. On the whole, however, these are very serious indictments with substantial supporting evidence and teeth.
Undefended. You have made no supporting argument.
I'd say that's a safe bet. Remember, they all loved him right up until his announcement that he was running for President.
What? The people who brought charges against Trump all "loved him" prior to his announcement to run again?
That makes no sense and, further, how could you possibly know that?
Maybe you should pay closer attention.
Lets start with the Clintons:
It's amazing what a quick google search can generate.
It is common knowledge that Trump and the Clintons were friendly in the past.
What on Earth does that have to do with your claim that the people who brought charges against Trump all "loved him" prior to his announcement to run?
Who do you think brought charges against Trump? It certainly was not the Clintons (or is this a hint of some new conspiracy theory?).
You have yet to show that Jack Smith and Fani Willis loved Trump before he announced his candidacy. And even then, that would be irrelevant. You would need to show that they indicted Trump merely because of his candidacy and that the indictments are without merit.
Good luck with that.
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I never specifically mentioned them now did I? [deleted]
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WTF are you talking about? I never claimed that the Clintons did NOT have a friendly relationship with Trump in the past.
No you did not but they are "the people who brought charges against Trump". Hello?
Go back and read the comments. Catch yourself up. Then we can move on from there.
There is no but. I never mentioned them, I'm not playing your game today.
Readers can read the comments for themselves and see that your comments make no sense.
"The errors found by the investigators amounted to about 3,000 extra absentee votes counted for Joe Biden during the audit"
Interesting that the fraudulent votes were swinging Joes way. No big surprise that Dems are pushing for "easy to cheat" voting laws.
How infuriating that the system designed to detect and remove voter fraud actually worked the way it is supposed to. I can only assume that the seeder is pissed as hell that the system worked. Broken systems are much better tools for fomenting outrage.
According to the Democrats it worked exactly how it was supposed to (Like anyone trusts them at this point). They won. None of the people that cheated the system on their side are being punished. End of story.
Please keep your attention on the 16 Republican fake electors that never made it out of the starting blocks in their attempt; and will be facing their day in court.
Democrats do love their criminals- so long as they have the big ugly D behind their names.
Another fine example of how toxic the letter D is for the cult of MAGA. Even if they’re doing the right thing it has to be the wrong thing. A more plausible explanation would be that Project Veritas hired some MAGAts to try and make Ds look guilty.
I am not MAGA. Never have been never will be.
We only have an Establishment two party system. Democrats want a one party rule.
I vote for the lesser of two evils.
The day Democrats (and their DOJ/FBI/IRS arms) treat the Clintons, Brandon, and Obama the same way they do Trump- I will drop them back down to being an equal evil.
Until that time I will not vote for a Democrat at any level of government.
As proven by comment 3.1.4.
Typical of the ever tolerant left.
Think and vote our way only. Or expect one our political gods to be held accountable under the same laws as everyone else; and you are MAGA.
They are perfectly willing to accept one party rule- and our current two tier justice system; so long as they believe they are coming out on top.
You're not in 100% lock step with what they want you to agree with or think so they'll label you as "MAGA".
And that is one of the biggest issues here as to why we cannot have discussions around issues.
Comment 3.1.4 is an eyeroll in response to your claim that you are not MAGA. That is a response to your collective comment history. Period.
You have fabricated a strawman argument from an eyeroll.
Get a grip.
Now, it still looks like Trump will be the GOP nominee. Will you vote for him to be PotUS in 2024 ... place in power the MAGA boss?