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Was COVID-19 Manmade? Meet the Scientist Behind the Theory

Was COVID-19 Manmade? Meet the Scientist Behind the Theory


Via: Nerm_L  •  25 comments  •  2 hours ago
Eliminate the possible and what remains, however improbable, must be the truth. Preeminent experts (in the United States) have been warning about the dangers of gain-of-function research creating pathogens capable of pandemic.  The NIH has ignored those warnings by promoting and funding gain-of-function research on influenza and coronavirus pathogens.  There had been a moratorium on this...
Sep 19 1:22am @2.2.9 Blaming science for politically biased actions of some individuals is misrepresenting science.    One does not blame accounting methods when individuals cook the books.
Sep 19 1:19am @3.1.2 Some here have argued that China purposely released the virus to take down Trump and that they did not care if the world found out. Good to read that your position is contrary to that nonsense.
Sep 18 9:30pm @2.2.7 "..." Yeah, Tacos!, I have been making that clear. "..." Well I see plenty wrong when someone tries to include the abuse of science as part of the definition of science.   Similarly, I would...
Sep 18 9:10pm @3.1 "..." Based on the little evidence we have been privy to, this virus likely came from a lab.   The more interesting question is whether its release was an accident or intentional and by whom.
Sep 18 9:09pm @2.2.6 "..." The better example is that by that criteria Mathematics is apolitical. Science is apolitical.   Science is the application of the scientific method to further our understanding of natural...
Sep 18 3:46pm @2.2.3 "..." Correct.   Individuals act politically.   Science itself is apolitical. "..." The individuals are not science. "..." Yes, and scientific consensus is not science any more than the...
Sep 18 1:47pm @2.1.3 "..." Science and individual scientists are different things.   I think I have made mention of this.
Sep 18 1:45pm @2.2.1 "..." Nerm, when I wrote this: "..." Did you notice that I was writing about the scientific method? "..." Good friggin' grief.   Science is that application of the scientific method to...
Sep 18 12:24pm @2.1.1 "..." Correct.   Non sequitur with the point I made, but you are correct.
Sep 18 12:11pm @2 "..." The scientific method is one of the best disciplines for encouraging precision, thoroughness, objectivity and ultimately truth (at least a good approximation of same) regarding our...
The Fallacy of Biblical Stories, Part 7: The Virgin Birth

The Fallacy of Biblical Stories, Part 7: The Virgin Birth


By: Gordy327  •  189 comments  •  4 hours ago
Up until now, I've have been focusing on the biblical stories of the Old Testament. For part 7 of the series, I will look at what is one of the most famous and celebrated stories of the New Testament, The Virgin Birth. After all, it does have its own national holiday. Never mind the actual origins of said holiday, as that is a separate discussion all its own. But it seemed God needed a...
Sep 19 12:45am @5.3.7 "..." That is the exact opposite question to ask.   We know ancient men wrote the Bible so there is no question as to how the words wound up on pages.   Without evidence to the contrary, the...
Sep 18 9:24pm @3.3.80 The Exodus itself (to generalize).    That is, the grand biblical description of the Exodus including the parting of the Red Sea as opposed to a small band of escapees.
Sep 18 8:44pm @3.3.77 It does not matter Gordy.   It is not as if you have failed to explain your meaning and your intent.   And I do not believe for a second that your interlocutors are unable to comprehend your...
Sep 18 8:39pm @3.3.75 When all else fails make a juvenile comment about a user name.    
Sep 18 8:37pm @3.3.74 "..." Seems to me you are reading only what you wish to read and then interpreting as you would prefer rather than attempt to honestly understand what the author is arguing. From the article...
Sep 18 7:39pm @3.3.71 "..." Wrong, you are exploiting the inherent ambiguity in common English and inserting your own meaning.   And that would be fine in your first comment; especially if you noted that you were...
Sep 18 4:00pm @3.3.63 For you to claim intellectual honesty you need to at least acknowledge that @3.3.51 Gordy answered the questions I posed @3.3.42 ☞ Gordy, is it your contention that the virgin...
Sep 18 1:53pm @3.3.57 Drakk it is extremely obvious that you refuse to accept any clarification from Gordy. When Gordy responds to a question about what he wrote and offers clarification of his meaning, you should...
Sep 18 11:56am @3.2.32 MUVA, good grief, either engage in discussion on the topic (or at least something close to the topic) or go elsewhere.  
Sep 18 11:26am @3.3.55 "..." Good grief man, read the definition without supplying additional information from your imagination: "..." This definition has no agency.   There is no 'else'.   Magic is defined as a...
Sep 18 11:21am @3.3.54 "..." You reject clarification from Gordy and call it backtracking. If an author clarifies his/her intent and the reader rejects the clarification and deems it 'backtracking', that reader is...
Sep 18 2:09am @3.3.44 "..." Oxford does not share your definition.   It makes no requirement that the agent be human. Are you now going to insist that Gordy's definition of magic MUST be exactly as you have stated?...
Sep 18 2:07am @3.3.42 "..." I quoted Gordy clarifying his intent and you just ignore that.    What you are doing is sticking to specific words in his article like a pit-bull and refusing to accept any clarification...
Sep 18 1:16am @3.3.38 "..." Why would you object to deeming a miracle to be magic?    A miracle is, by its very nature, an unexplained phenomenon.   Magic, per Oxford is defined as: "..."
Sep 18 1:05am @3.3.37 "..." What is your objective?   Are you looking to convince Gordy (for example) that the virgin birth actually happened?    I doubt that.   Your most likely objective is to point out what you...
Sep 17 8:49pm @3.2.19 If you had not engaged in meta, I would not have replied to same.   Yes, discussing the article is much preferred.
Sep 17 8:39pm @3.3.33 "..." You mention only the extremes:   proof of vs. proof of not.   There is a continuum between these extremes where one can apply information and reason to establish a likelihood that the...
Sep 17 6:58pm @3.2.16 "..." First, why the attitude?   Second, what do you mean by 'my policy' — what is 'your' policy?    Is your 'policy' that you will not respond to comments other than from the individual to whom...
Sep 17 4:00pm @3.3.28 "..." Well you know there is a tendency to restate one's argument to something that can be debated.   It is certainly easier to debate: The Virgin Birth is false rather than The Virgin Birth...
Sep 17 3:53pm @3.2.12 Three comments in a row so far that have nothing to do with thoughtful discussion and everything, it seems, to do with trolling.
Sep 17 3:51pm @3.2.11 Gordy's writing is straightforward, his arguments are logical, his use of language is consistent and we are both very familiar with the subject matter.   Also, we have been discussing this topic...
Sep 17 2:34pm @3.3.14 Many people seem to believe that which brings them comfort.
Sep 17 2:27pm @3.2.4 "..." Gordy did not use the word 'possible' but one could easily take that by implication.   But he has, given your objection, clarified that he is not arguing that the virgin birth story...
Sep 17 1:49pm @3.3.10 "..." Sounds like rationalization to me.   Even if Gordy was as closed minded as you allege, this is a public forum.   Your rebuttals are read by others who might chime in; you are not privately...
Sep 17 11:46am @3.3.5 These articles shine a light on the veracity of the Bible as the divine Word of a perfect, omniscient God.   Underlying all of these articles is the notion that contradictions and errors illustrate...
Sep 17 1:25am @3.1 "..." I am pretty sure Gordy considered that: "..."
Sep 16 11:08pm @1.1 I interpret this as I do most of the Bible: historical fiction (in this case, substantially more fiction than history).   As you noted, the biblical authors drew from stories that had been passed...
Ruth Bader Ginsburg, powerhouse Supreme Court Justice, dies at 87

Ruth Bader Ginsburg, powerhouse Supreme Court Justice, dies at 87


Via: JohnRussell  •  96 comments  •  3 hours ago
Sep 18 9:48pm @7.1 "..." I suspect that is true since Ds tend to be progressive/liberal.   Trump will nominate someone who will cement a conservative domination of the court.   McConnell will push confirmation...
Sep 18 9:40pm @1.1.36 McConnell will not hesitate to confirm during Trump's term.
The Genetic Engineering Genie Is Out of the Bottle and Could Unleash the Next Pandemic

The Genetic Engineering Genie Is Out of the Bottle and Could Unleash the Next Pandemic


Via: Nerm_L  •  3 comments  •  23 hours ago
Yes, drag out the tried-and-true conspiracy theory defense.  Just because SARS-CoV-2 is not a genetically modified organism doesn't mean the virus wasn't man-made in a research laboratory.  But the allegations of conspiracy theories hasn't really diverted attention away from the risks and moral questions concerning genetic modification. What is available on the market now could allow...
Sep 18 4:22pm @2 Yes this is a legitimate concern albeit not as easily accomplished as you portray.   I have been concerned about the weaponizing of microbiology for decades.
Chinese virologist says she has proof COVID-19 was made in Wuhan lab

Chinese virologist says she has proof COVID-19 was made in Wuhan lab


Via: Nerm_L  •  202 comments  •  23 hours ago
Of course, Dr. Yan isn't a reliable source because she isn't anonymous.  And Dr. Yan's research and information hasn't been peer reviewed.  And a trusted member of the Chinese science community who directs the Wuhan Institute of Virology has denied everything.
Sep 18 12:20pm @6.1.11 You purposely went off topic (replied to my topical comment @6.1.2 and @6.1.4) to go personal with me, alleging that I am not fair.   When I did not take the bait you became more specific and made...
Sep 18 12:04pm @6.1.9 "..." As I figured, you were just trying to taunt me.   I recommend you make thoughtful comments rather than engage in personal crap. Just so you know, I do not perform on demand.   I also am...
Sep 17 4:01pm @6.1.6 Nobody challenged that?
Sep 17 10:54am @6.1.4 "..." One can easily surmise based on world news and commonsense that China would prefer to roll the dice with a new PotUS.   However, what has been claimed but has not been evidenced is that the...
Sep 16 10:47pm @6.1.2 "..." That would be counterproductive.   So if someone were to claim that the CCP is openly backing and supporting Biden in this election, one would naturally expect such a claim to be supported...
Sep 16 1:22pm @4.1.47 "..." So on my questions:  Where is the CCP overtly funding Biden?:     No evidence as of yet. Where is the CCP overtly endorsing Biden for PotUS?:   You offer interpretation of a quote...
Sep 16 12:35pm @4.1.45 Digging deeper, we have the intelligence comment from the source of your article: "..." The intelligence comment concludes that China prefers Trump lose the election (easy to believe) and that...
Sep 14 8:35pm @4.1.43 "..." Well of course China's evidenced behavior is logical grounds for predicting (with an error tolerance) its future behavior.   It is not, however, sufficient to claim as fact that the CCP has...
Sep 14 4:34pm @4.1.38 "..." Evidence is the difference between speculation and fact.
Sep 14 2:54pm @4.1.36 "..." And I gave you a full answer. "..." I operate differently.   Even if something is easy to believe (e.g. Trump private comments ostensibly referring to WWI KIA as losers and suckers) I...
Sep 14 11:20am @4.1.34 "..." Yes, really, mere declaration of belief is not fact.  "..." I will remind you of the context: "..." I asked for a link showing that the CCP is openly backing and supporting Biden....
Sep 14 1:37am @4.1.31 Of course you do.   Trouble is, one cannot substantiate one's claims by stomping one's foot and declaring that one is really, really, really serious. In the end, unsubstantiated claims are, in a...
Sep 14 1:05am @4.1.28 Worse, unsubstantiated declarations; mere claims based on a foundation of pure speculation.
Sep 14 12:06am @4.1.22 "..." Link?   (beliefs are not facts)
Trump threatens to use military against Americans who rise up if he refuses to concede on Election Night

Trump threatens to use military against Americans who rise up if he refuses to concede on Election Night


Via: JBB  •  16 comments  •  2 days ago
Sep 17 10:51pm @3.1.4 It is obvious.   Every presidential campaign (and the party itself) will, if the election is sufficiently close, use the legal methods available if there is a good chance they may win.   With all...
Sep 17 10:17pm @3.1.1 So, in short, you agree with everything I wrote.    Yes, of course, Biden would also exhaust every legal option if the dispute is credible.
Sep 17 9:04pm @3 If the election is close and it is possible for Trump to put forth a credible dispute, I am confident he will do so.   He will, quite likely, exhaust every legal option at his disposal to try to...
Ex-Pence aide throws support behind Biden, citing Trump's virus response

Ex-Pence aide throws support behind Biden, citing Trump's virus response


Via: Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  •  15 comments  •  2 days ago
Sep 17 8:23pm @2.1.4 Trump's style is to ruin reputations.
Sep 17 7:50pm @2.1.2 Guaranteed reprisal.
Sep 17 7:04pm @2.1 That rings true to me. "..." Well said.
Don't Be Shocked Trump Lied About COVID On Tape. Be Horrified That It Won't Matter

Don't Be Shocked Trump Lied About COVID On Tape. Be Horrified That It Won't Matter


Via: JohnRussell  •  209 comments  •  2 days ago
.....The shock here isn’t that Trump was lying. Nor that Woodward   refused to disclose   the truth in real-time. Nor even that the president’s lies contributed to the spread of COVID, which has now killed nearly 200,000 Americans, infected more than six million, and sent the nation spiraling into economic and social chaos. The shock is that Trump’s support will barely budge. This...
Sep 16 7:14pm @2.2.30 "..." Where do you find me claiming one politician lies and another does not?    "..." Yeah, no kidding, all politicians lie.   The sky is blue.   Water is wet.   All politicians make...
Sep 16 6:52pm @2.2.28 "..." Of course all politicians have lied.   It is a near certainty that all adults with at least average intelligence and the means to communicate have lied.   As I noted, your statement is no...
Sep 16 2:47pm @2.2.25 "..." Excuse me?   Where do you find me emoting as you have described?   You put forth an impossible challenge.   I pointed that out to you and noted that an impossible challenge does not prove...
Sep 15 7:49pm @2.2.20 Okay, then by your implicit standards, someone would have to name a politician who has never lied to the public.    With such high standards, the challenge degenerates into a non-point.    Similar...
Sep 15 6:16pm @2.2.16 I guess that depends on the threshold you establish for lying.   Are you asking to name a politician who has never lied in life?   Or a politician who has never lied to the public?   Or a...
Sep 10 5:26pm @4.3.18 "..." Quintessential Trump.   He has learned in his con-man life that lying is an easy way to get what you want.    Of course the practice of lying to the current audience is not limited to...
Sep 10 5:13pm @6.1.31 Keep trying.
Sep 10 5:10pm @4.3.16 Hi firery!    Trump, IMO, was focused on preserving the economy (and on keeping the market high) since the economy was the heart and soul of his campaign.   I think he (correctly) deemed that a...
Sep 10 5:04pm @6.1.29 Nor should you.    Of course if people did not make things personal in the first place and instead focused on rebutting the content then exchanges might even be information-bearing.
Sep 10 4:51pm @6.1.27 "..." Are you back to deeming me a Trump supporter? 
Sep 10 1:44pm @6.2.14 Yeah, I hear you.   My eldest son is a karateka and has made several trips to Japan to train with Shotokan senseis.   He has, as a result, learned quite a bit about the culture.
Sep 10 1:41pm @6.1.20 "..." I just gave you the benefit of the doubt.   It is a shame then that your objective is to merely give people hell for supporting Trump. "..." I explicitly stated 'you' in my comment....
Sep 10 1:18pm @6.1.18 "..." You write that as if people are saying that both Biden and Trump are equal.   Who is suggesting that?    The 'both sides' rebuttals typically are refuting a one-sided perspective that deems...
Sep 10 12:57pm @6.1.15 Ironically I just saw (and then moved on without comment) a post from you to Fly that did not respond to his content but rather demeaned him personally as merely virtual signalling. Seems as...
Sep 10 12:04pm @6.1.12 Nothing you write on a social forum is going to make an iota of difference in the election. No amount of negative opinions of Trump is going to change the mind of those who support him (at this...
Sep 10 11:41am @6.2.8 I was not speaking of fashion but rather efficacy.   My wife's mask looked fine, it just was not made of a material designed to trap viral particulate.
Sep 10 11:40am @6.2.6 Eastern cultures see the wearing of a mask to be common courtesy.   When you see individuals of that culture wearing a mask (prior to COVID-19) in airports, etc. it is typically because they have a...
Sep 10 11:37am @6.2.5 I agree.   I have seen all sorts of creative masks.   My wife created some for us early on before we could buy them.
Sep 10 11:35am @6.1.9 Not sure how 'helps' applies.   I have offered my reading of Tacos! position.    And, yes, JR, there are quite a few people who are planning to vote for Trump.   And I suspect it has not escaped...
Sep 10 11:31am @6.2.1 I would say that stopping travel was spot on.   Shutting down (lock-downs) immediately would have been correct.   Immediate use of masks and social distancing would have been correct (the supply of...
Sep 10 11:26am @6.1.7 I have interpreted your position on Trump to be one of supporting him for reelection while being critical of him as a person.   On the issue of the WWI vets (losers and suckers) and on Trump's...
A slip of the tongue

A slip of the tongue


By: Vic Eldred  •  115 comments  •  3 days ago  •  LOCKED
A slip of the tongue is defined as a speaker saying or revealing something unintentionally.  Yesterday, speaking at a business roundtable in Arizona, Joe Biden's chosen/assigned running mate accidentally touted certain economic plans under a "Harris administration."  Kamala Harris was promoting the Biden campaign's "Build Back Better" (LMAO) initiative when she made what some might call a...
Sep 15 10:02pm @9.1.12 USA political parties have a singular principle goal:  the accumulation and retention of political power.   Not sure where statesperson-like concern for the people ranks, but this is clearly not...
Sep 15 9:57pm @7.2 "..." That would be a modern day miracle:
Sep 15 9:43pm @9.1.10 Well it is not as if she is trying to pretend she does not want to be PotUS.   She ran for the D nomination.   So, sure, I interpret her as someone who has her eye on the presidency.   Pence, in...
Sep 15 9:39pm @9.1.8 Yeah she recovered almost instantaneously.   But in today's world that is still too late.   She needs to strike the concept 'Harris administration' from her mental phrase book (at least for four...
Sep 15 6:48pm @9.1 Oops.  
WHY? What is the Trumpists' motivation?

WHY? What is the Trumpists' motivation?


By: Bob Nelson  •  95 comments  •  3 hours ago
A significant portion of the American people unconditionally supports President Trump. I for one cannot understand how anyone can do that. Could someone please explain? The Rules apply! - Read before you write - Address the topic : “What goes on in the mind of a Trumpist these days?” - Make thoughtful comments . One liners will be deleted. - Be polite . If...
Sep 15 1:26pm @9.4.6 "..." What ... ??
The Ship with No Crew

The Ship with No Crew


Via: Bob Nelson  •  6 comments  •  4 days ago
A few days ago, we had a wind-powered cargo ship... Maybe something really is happening!
Sep 15 11:23am @2.1.1 Imagine also a cargo ship with a load of air drones it can launch to provide eyes over a large perimeter around the ship to detect threats.   Imagine then autonomous vessels which drop submarine...
Sep 15 11:23am @3 Interestingly, most every basic application we can imagine is coming within the next few decades.   The biggest challenge will not be the technology but rather the security to guard against pirates.
What kind of home do you live in / what kind of area [city, country, urban...]?

What kind of home do you live in / what kind of area [city, country, urban...]?


By: MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)  •  91 comments  •  2 days ago
I live in a suburban town just south of Detroit called Wyandotte. Neighbors homes are near mine, but we're a close neighborhood. We all know each others names and help each other when needed. The type of home I live in is what one might consider a farm style house; it was built in 1906. We've put $65,000 into it to make it our own and to make it warmer, more efficient, and more comfortable....
Sep 14 3:00pm @1.5.1 Very smart move!
Another October Surprise Executed Early? Timing of Liberal Media's New COVID Panic Push Is Beyond Transparent

Another October Surprise Executed Early? Timing of Liberal Media's New COVID Panic Push Is Beyond Transparent


Via: MAGA  •  70 comments  •  5 days ago
Talk about a nothing story with no basis in fact totally refuted by facts, the President, and Dr. Fauci.  
Sep 14 1:11am @1.2.2 "..." Just as you have claimed that evolution is pseudoscience; a worldwide conspiracy of godless scientists?   And then later claimed that you were simply making those statements to taunt 'the...
Bloomberg Spends $100 Million To Help Biden in Florida

Bloomberg Spends $100 Million To Help Biden in Florida


Via: JBB  •  16 comments  •  3 days ago
Sep 13 8:02pm @5.1 Get the damn money out of politics.
Sep 13 7:37pm @1.1 He is apparently a man of his word.
Sep 13 7:37pm @2.1.1 "..." That strategy worked well for Hillary.   Sure, Trump should just leave Florida alone and focus on other states. 
Astronomers create 40% more carbon emissions than the average Australian. Here's how they can be more environmentally friendly

Astronomers create 40% more carbon emissions than the average Australian. Here's how they can be more environmentally friendly


Via: Nerm_L  •  7 comments  •  6 days ago
Supercomputers are super polluters.  The search for extraterrestrial life is threatening terrestrial life. Note the article conforms to the standards of climate activism with a gratuitous coal dig.  Don't these scientists understand that coal isn't being burned just to produce carbon dioxide?  Coal makes gazing at the stars possible.
Sep 13 5:19pm @2.1.3 "..." I did not imply anything.  I stated flat out: "..." If you are not going to read what I write and instead invent words for me then talk with yourself because I am not going to again...
Sep 13 2:31pm @2.1.1 "..." Seriously?   That is how you interpret my comment?   Really?
Sep 13 1:02pm @2 "..." Okay, in Australia ... If you are not an astronomer you are responsible for 26 tons of emissions per year. If you are an astronomer you are responsible for 37 tons of emissions per year...
Delta Flight Returns to Gate, Removes Passenger Refusing to Wear Mask

Delta Flight Returns to Gate, Removes Passenger Refusing to Wear Mask


Via: Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  •  52 comments  •  5 days ago
Sep 13 2:29pm @6 Of all places to object to wearing a mask.   I just cannot imagine what goes through the minds of some people.   You are in close proximity in an enclosed tiny space; show a little decency for...
In Defense of Looting: A Riotous History of Uncivil Action

In Defense of Looting: A Riotous History of Uncivil Action


By: Vic Eldred  •  142 comments  •  one week ago  •  LOCKED
NPR recently interviewed the author of this book. Here we feature reviews or in this case criticism from both ends of the spectrum. First there is the critique of Jonah Goldberg: "Vicky Osterweil, the author of “In Defense of Looting: A Riotous History of Uncivil Action,” is getting her 15 minutes of fame thanks to a segment on NPR in which she said some really...
Sep 12 5:59pm @3.1.89 Okay Vic, then thank you for deeming me enough of a constitutional scholar to be capable of clearing up a constitutional question to your (and apparently others for whom you speak) satisfaction....
Sep 12 5:41pm @3.1.87 A sarc tag is not necessary to make a sarcastic comment.  
Sep 12 5:06pm @3.1.85 "..." In response to unnecessary sarcasm:  I did not attempt to provide THE definitive answer.   I offered the constitutional options that seem to be available and gave my opinion on why I think...
Sep 12 5:02pm @3.1.84 "..." That is not even close to what I wrote.   The House could, per the 20th, select any qualified candidate.   So they could, for example, pick Andrew 'Dice' Clay for acting PotUS.   If the...
Sep 12 4:57pm @3.1.82 "..." Then you are talking about the case of a contingent election.   Given only two candidates are running (in effect), the hypothetical you are addressing (which is different from what we have...
Sep 12 4:40pm @3.1.80 "..." As I pointed in with the 20th amendment section 3, there are no imposed restrictions on Congress for whom they could decide to serve as the acting PotUS: "..." Read what is in blue...
Sep 12 4:26pm @3.1.77 "..." Did you read the 20th amendment section 3 I quoted?   That language is far more suited to an undecided election (not all the votes counted) versus a tie.
Sep 12 3:58pm @3.1.72 We are not talking about breaking ties, we are discussing what would happen if the results of the election are undecided by inauguration day. So, in the case of dealing with an undecided election,...
Sep 12 2:20pm @3.1.70 Yes, the people will accept someone chosen with constitutional justification to serve as an interim PotUS until the election is decided.   As I wrote, they will be pissed that the election is...
Sep 12 1:22pm @3.1.52 Well then, everyone who happens to come across my comment will read an observation that Biden likely mistook 'MI' for military.   They will also read that this is , IMO, a result of being sloppy....
Sep 12 1:11pm @3.1.45 "..." I comprehend that you are not going to acknowledge my point that the mere mention of the word 'Trump' in the phrase 'then Trump and Pence are out of office' within a single statement of...
Sep 12 12:49pm @3.1.41 "..." Then I would have expected you to warn everyone on this seed.    You understand my surprise, right?   Clearly I was not in any way talking about Trump and my comments in no way even hinted...
Sep 12 12:44pm @3.1.39 "..." You are the one illustrating a bizarrely warped sense of reality.   I am not enabling anybody by honestly recognizing that Biden should have read and understood that note before publicly...
Sep 12 12:29pm @3.1.36 "..." You mean this?: "..." Where do you see me talking about Trump?   Because I named him and Pence as no longer being in office??: "..." You do not recognize that as part of the factual...
Sep 12 12:15pm @3.1.30 "..." Not sure what you are reading, but if we do not have a president-elect or vice-president-elect by inauguration day, then Trump and Pence are out of office and, per the 20th section 3, the...
Sep 12 12:02pm @3.1.24 "..." Don't deflect from facts John.   Face them and deal with them honestly.   Biden clearly mistook 'MI' to mean military instead of Michigan.   That is a sloppy mistake that plays into the...
Sep 12 11:46am @3.1.16 20th amendment section 3: "..." I suspect this would provide sufficient guidance for how to proceed if the nation has no president, vice-president, president-elect or vice-president-elect.
Sep 12 11:30am @3.1.9 Biden read stats about Michigan and interpreted them as Military because his handlers wrote "MI" on his notes (the abbreviation for the state Michigan).    This is particularly bad because Biden...
Mixing Native American Culture and Hip Hop

Mixing Native American Culture and Hip Hop


By: Kavika  •  21 comments  •  5 days ago
You may not like Hip Hop or know little about Native American culture but an American Indian Hip Hop artist, Supaman has combined the two and it has become quite famous.  The regalia worn by Supaman is from the "Fancy Dance'' and the regalia worn by Acosia Red Elk is from the Jingle Dance. The historical significance of both dances is quite interesting.  Perhaps the most well-known or...
Sep 11 10:23pm @3 That's certainly something one does not usually see.   Makes me wonder why there are not more Native American celebrities.   I know of the old group Redbone with their hit: "Come and Get Your Love"...
Blaming Bob Woodward for not releasing the Audio Tapes immediately for Trump's inaction is exploding in Trump's World

Blaming Bob Woodward for not releasing the Audio Tapes immediately for Trump's inaction is exploding in Trump's World


By: Eat The Press Do Not Read It  •  74 comments  •  6 days ago
The Inter-Nut, blogs, Facebook, Twitter, Tic-Tock, Barrooms, and, well-vented Jails are erupting with anger directed toward Bob Woodward, Journalist, whose's newest book, Trump Is A Muther-Fukar to the Tenth Power* (working title, according to our in-side-out "sauces") is scheduled to come out soon. (As is VP Pence)! In my tolerant, "humbled by the years' opinion," if someone did not know...
Sep 11 8:14pm @7.1.4 Enforcement would not be done by federal agents but rather by businesses who do not want to be exposed to be caught allowing violations of the mandate and potentially being the site of an...
How Do You Usually Access NT?

How Do You Usually Access NT?


By: Perrie Halpern R.A.  •  110 comments  •  one week ago
We are running a poll about how the members access NT. This will better guide us on your experience. You can leave us notes about this topic.  You can find the poll here: https://thenewstalkers.com/perrie-halpern/poll/35/how-do-you-usually-access-nt
Sep 11 11:22am @22.1.9 Let's continue in chat or PN
Sep 11 11:18am @22.1.8 Good grief, daily?   You resolve by shutting down Firefox (just the browser)?   How many tabs do you have open in Firefox (usually)?
Sep 11 11:01am @22.1.5 "..." We are not on NT 24/7. I saw this happen in the past and contacted our platform techs (this is behavior outside of the NT code base).   This was remedied by clearing caches.   But it is...
The Worst Interview of the Year

The Worst Interview of the Year


By: Vic Eldred  •  28 comments  •  one week ago  •  LOCKED
Last night the venerable Bret Baier attempted to conduct a simple interview with TJ Ducklo, national press secretary for the Biden campaign. Ducklo basically ignored the questions and used talking points and campaign slogans to bash the President. I counted 7 questions, none of which got an answer. For our unbiased, mature readers: https://youtu.be/twv7ey6_EKg Fox News...
Sep 11 11:17am @6 The Biden campaign needs to replace Ducklo with someone who can credibly answer basic questions (with appropriate framing of course) or skillfully dodge them without coming across as a talking...
A message to the ACLU

A message to the ACLU


By: Vic Eldred  •  106 comments  •  one week ago  •  LOCKED
It seems that the organization once committed to civil liberties has continued it's post modern conversion into progressive ideology by taking on a young college student at Transylvania University in Kentucky. You know the student. He would like to get an education, unfortunately for the ACLU, he seems to be one who will not cower to the left, thus he must be destroyed. Before I get to...
Sep 10 1:09pm @1.1.39 "..." On what factors are you comparing the two?   For example, Biden is clearly no match for Trump on the asshole factor.   Biden is clearly far more presidential than Trump (not saying much)....
Trump Called Evangelical Christianity 'Bullshit,' Privately Mocked Evangelicals As Gullible: Michael Cohen

Trump Called Evangelical Christianity 'Bullshit,' Privately Mocked Evangelicals As Gullible: Michael Cohen


Via: JBB  •  63 comments  •  one week ago
Sep 09 7:34pm @5.1.1 I wonder though what goes through the mind of a Christian who intends to vote for someone (Trump) who is (if this is true) pretending to be devout but is in reality mocking his religious supporters.
Sep 09 6:24pm @5 Trump's proclivity to make off-the-cuff derogatory quips is, yet again, his worst enemy when it comes to defending against allegations like these.   Here we have another allegation that, if true,...
It's now looking like the lockdowns may have been a huge mistake

It's now looking like the lockdowns may have been a huge mistake


Via: Nerm_L  •  47 comments  •  one week ago
First of all it's necessary to understand that the country never locked down.  Essential workers didn't have the option of hiding in their basements.  The lights had to stay on, the internet kept running, trash collected, packages delivered, and store shelves stocked.  Those producing necessities still had to go to work.  The lockdowns only applied to a select few whose importance seems to be...
Sep 09 1:56pm @5.1 Do you consider the possibility that during the past 6 months the American people are now more aware of the dangers and are being more careful?   That supplies such as masks are now easily...
Sep 09 1:28pm @2.2.3 "..." 'Community' is a code word for socialism and communism?    What if JR had used the word 'society' instead of 'the larger community'?    What sinister meaning would that impart?
Positive Covid tests in no-lockdown Sweden hit lowest rate since pandemic began

Positive Covid tests in no-lockdown Sweden hit lowest rate since pandemic began


Via: Dean Moriarty  •  20 comments  •  one week ago
More good news coming from Sweden.
Sep 09 11:28am @5 If all the citizens of the USA were to be diligent and take social distancing, mask and generally interact on an as-needed basis, we would likely be in much better shape.   This virus, however, is...
Unstaffed, digital supermarkets transform rural Sweden

Unstaffed, digital supermarkets transform rural Sweden


Via: Bob Nelson  •  11 comments  •  one week ago
I can think of lots of use cases...
Sep 09 11:09am @2.1.7 Okay.  Yes, certainly, these cannot compete with Walmart; they would compete on convenience, not price.   They would fail if placed in proximity to a superstore; especially a discount superstore....
Sep 08 5:40pm @2.1.5 Walgreens Bob, not Walmart.
Sep 08 5:21pm @2.1.3 I can see these things popping up all over the place ... basically following the Walgreen's model of being convenient.
Sep 08 4:32pm @2.1.1 I understand your point as it applies to that fringe area of the market where there are no stores. Do you think this concept will be limited to remote rural villages?
Sep 08 11:59am @2 Cool use of technology.   But this is one of countless examples where technology is putting people out of work.   There is no way to stop this, so we need to have a system that can handle a large...
Trump Has Long Dishonored the U.S. Military

Trump Has Long Dishonored the U.S. Military


Via: JohnRussell  •  5 comments  •  2 weeks ago
Sep 09 12:35am @2 Seems consistent with my observations of Trump. His privileged life likely offered him no opportunity to develop the kind of character and empathy that comes from making one's way on one's own...
Trump called American war dead in French cemetery 'losers:' report

Trump called American war dead in French cemetery 'losers:' report


Via: JohnRussell  •  436 comments  •  one week ago
Sep 08 9:10pm @20.2.64 "..." Exactly.   Always go by the evidence; never believe something simply because someone claims it is true. So I remain waiting for corroboration.   However, if this is corroborated, I will...
Sep 06 4:56pm @20.2.59 That is Trump's problem.   His comments disparaging John McCain due to the fact that he became a POW (did not somehow escape capture) indicate a mentality that either cannot comprehend what...
Sep 06 11:16am @20.2.57 "..." You believe he did not say it.   You cannot possibly know. Similarly nobody else can know he did say it.   Right now it is a matter of assessment.   Some find these words to be entirely...
Sep 05 9:12pm @20.2.53 At least one should accept that this would be consistent for Trump.   It is, much to our national disgrace, not possible to reject this as outrageous at face value. Now imagine it was one the...
Sep 05 7:29pm @20.2.48 "..." Absolutely.   But I presume that no such recording exists because that is very easy to leak.
Sep 05 5:13pm @20.2.45 "..." Actually it was easy.    I was speaking what I hold to be entirely factual and easily corroborated with Google searches.   Also, I doubt anyone really has the need to search.   Even Trump...
Sep 05 2:15pm @20.2.38 "..." Yes, but for a very good reason.
Sep 05 2:14pm @20.2.37 "..." I think he is a narcissist who has lived a life of prosperity and has grown to believe he is superior to most (if not all) fellow human beings.   He also demonstrably does not care about...
Sep 05 1:29pm @20.2.34 I wish at least one of these anonymous sources would take a stand. But, if none do, Trump's demeanor has made it incredibly easy for people to believe reports such as these.   Even if he did not...
Sep 04 1:57am @20.1.6 I cannot imagine how anyone could argue that Trump is philosophically well suited as CiC.   He did everything he could to avoid the draft (and succeeded), has trashed heroes like McCain for getting...
Sep 04 1:46am @16.1.30 It this is true, there is more to come.   Do you agree?
Sep 04 12:52am @16.1.23 "..." And I certainly appreciate that Goldberg is more credible than a Trump propagandist.   Especially since this is something that I can see Trump doing.   But I have nothing on which to...
Sep 04 12:45am @16.1.22 You deem critical thinking to be 'both sides ism'.  LOL   Sorry, JR, I am not going to presume 'truth' simply because this is something that is consistent with the way Trump seems to think and a...
Sep 04 12:42am @16.1.21 "..." Then the evidence will emerge.  Stay tuned.   When it arrives, ask me what I think of it.
Sep 04 12:28am @16.1.15 "..." I do not care if he is the head of journalistic ethics.   If Goldberg has evidence to back up this story then I expect it will be forthcoming. If not, then how on Earth can you simply...
Sep 04 12:26am @16.1.13 His treatment of McCain told me that this is something that Trump could very well have said.   But it does not convince me that he actually said this.   I need evidence to take that next step. So...
Sep 04 12:06am @16.1.9 "..." Excellent question John.   I do not operate on authority.   I operate on evidence.   I do not question the integrity of Goldberg and realize that making up a story like this would likely...
Sep 03 11:56pm @16.1.7 A credible eyewitness standing up and taking the heat that comes from such an allegation would be a great start. What would convince you?
Sep 03 11:55pm @20.1.3 "..." Of course.   This is very damaging ... especially if it is true.
Sep 03 11:36pm @18.1.2 "..." I have no idea other than the level of dislike for Clinton.
Sep 03 11:17pm @20.1 I agree that these are unsubstantiated allegations, but I disagree that they are lies.   We need evidence to go either way.   And given prior comments from Trump, these are hard to dismiss as...
Sep 03 11:15pm @16.1.4 We agree.
Sep 03 10:45pm @16.1.2 "..." And your skepticism is justified in this case.   Although Trump's comments (on video) demeaning McCain for being captured as a POW illustrate a way of thinking that makes this story...
Sep 03 10:43pm @18.1 "..." When he made that comment I figured he lost the vote of every USA vet.
Sep 03 10:23pm @15.1.1 ... or altruistic.
Sep 03 9:53pm @12.1.1 Yeah, well we can test that right here on NT.    Lots of members (especially declared Trump supporters) not weighing in here. Other than being hobbled by partisanship, who on NT would not condemn...
Sep 03 9:47pm @13.1 Ironically, should Trump lose his bid for reelection, he will not accept the label 'loser'.
Sep 03 9:42pm @12 "..." Some people dismiss the character issue for Trump stating that his policies are what is important.   I have never been comfortable with that viewpoint.   It is one thing to have a PotUS...
US election 2020: Guide to the presidential debates - BBC News

US election 2020: Guide to the presidential debates - BBC News


Via: TᵢG  •  1 comments  •  2 weeks ago
Some people speculate that the debates will not happen.    I find that unlikely. Here is some information on the first debate to be held the 29 th of this month. The next debate after that is October 15 th with the final on October 22 nd . Chris Wallace (the late Mike Wallace's son ... an anchor on Fox News) is going to be the key moderator for the first debate.   Trump has gone on...
Sep 08 5:19pm @1 The debates are a key hurdle for Biden to cross.
The Biden Paradox

The Biden Paradox


By: Vic Eldred  •  159 comments  •  one week ago  •  LOCKED
Not long after the GOP Convention, polls, for what they are worth, seemed to be narrowing. As we all know polls can be influenced by such things as how questions are asked, what questions are asked, who is asked and the woke individuals who might just be tallying up the results. We also know that the most accurate form of polling is the internal polling of political campaigns, the kind the...
Sep 08 2:57pm @6.1.88 "..." I do not 'admit' it;  I declared it. Show us the direct evidence that Trump did not make the statement.   The timing is a detail.   It is the words that make a difference to the...
Sep 08 2:31pm @6.1.78 "..." The lack of evidence for the claim that you made.   Here again, what I have written is clear yet you are playing loose with semantics. Again (more than a dozen times now I have shown this...
Sep 08 2:13pm @6.1.71 It is where I am right now and you continue to encourage it.
Sep 08 2:11pm @6.1.70 "..." Well in my opinion that is irrational given the evidence (the lack thereof) that you have cited. "..." Again you fail to read.   You refuse to acknowledge that you wrote an opinion...
Sep 08 2:09pm @6.1.69 "..." Actually I am arguing that Vic cannot prove a negative.   Vic is trying to claim that because Bolton did not hear Trump say those words that is proof;  case closed. I have never written a...
Sep 08 2:03pm @6.1.65 "..." Why keep going back to the Atlantic?   You seem to be pretending that I accepted the story as fact when I have clearly and repeatedly explained to you that I have not and that I made my...
Sep 08 2:01pm @6.1.64 Are you going to continue to try to make me the subject?
Sep 08 2:00pm @6.1.62 "..." Again, I accept that you consider this simply to be your opinion.   But you refuse to accept that what you wrote is stated as certainty.   Instead of going back to your article and...
Sep 08 1:48pm @6.1.55 "..." Not everyone uses others to do their thinking for them.   My reaction to your Bolton excerpts was that Bolton clearly did not hear Trump make these words (because Bolton would have been all...
Sep 08 1:45pm @6.1.53 "..." Deflecting and yet again making this personal with me.    Ask JR how many times we have disagreed.    It just happens that there are select members (who I suspect you label 'conservative')...
Sep 08 1:34pm @6.1.43 "..." I am also being extremely careful in how I phrase my comments in this article because the deflection tactics are in full gear (IMO).   I am constantly quoting to support my observations....
Sep 08 1:29pm @6.1.40 "..." I think this is now funny.   I intentionally put this in my comment and you flat out ignored it.   Truly amazing: "..." So what is the problem here Vic?   Are you not actually reading...
Sep 08 1:25pm @7.1.2 "..." I agree Vic: "..." Don't make false allegations about me to Kraken.   If you are going to make false allegations about me at least do so in a REPLY to me.
Sep 08 1:23pm @6.1.38 Your argument presumes Bolton would have been privy to the words.    That is a flaw in your logic.   Just because Bolton did not hear the words does not mean those words were not spoken.   Your...
Sep 08 1:21pm @6.1.35 "..." See, this is the kind of crap that causes me to be in your face.   Now you are putting words in my mouth; words that contradict what I have directly stated to you in this very thread:...
Sep 08 1:12pm @6.1.30 "..." Oh I see, so you have observed that Biden has "severe cognitive disabilities" and Biden "... doesn't have the energy ...".   You, who to my knowledge is not a professional who can diagnose...
Sep 08 1:00pm @4.2.7 "..." Go read my comments on the article Vic.   Note also what I have already offered here @6.1.4: "..." By the way, you are deflecting again.
Sep 08 12:56pm @6.1.9 "..." As I noted @4.2.1: "..." This article makes claims of certainty:  "Joe Biden is suffering from severe cognitive disabilities".    That is very different from an opinion piece which...
Sep 08 12:46pm @4.2.5 "..." No.  I am showing that I equate unsubstantiated claims by Goldberg with unsubstantiated claims by Vic Eldred.   I have never stated that either claim is false.   I personally do not (yet)...
Sep 08 12:39pm @6.1.4 "..." I for one deemed the Atlantic allegations to be believable but unsubstantiated.   I have stated on numerous occasions that the allegations about Trump's private WWI vet comments need...
Sep 08 12:36pm @4.2.3 "..." You do not realize that this piece made unsubstantiated and extreme claims about Biden's mental and physical health?? As I noted @4: "..."
Sep 08 12:13pm @4.2.1 "..." Because, to my knowledge, you are not a professional who can diagnose severe cognitive disabilities.   Your eyes and ears cannot professionally diagnose physical fitness problems (e.g....
Sep 08 12:03pm @4.1.1 I agree.   I wish people would rely on credible facts and choose accordingly.   But partisan thinking is all about exaggerating the worst of the other guys and ignoring / downplaying the worst of...
Sep 08 11:47am @5 "..." I agree, the deals made to ensure the various D factions rally behind Biden are unknown and it is difficult to say what a president Biden might sign.   This is why I am hoping the Rs hold...
Sep 08 11:43am @4 "..." How can you diagnose severe cognitive disabilities at the scale of early Alzheimer's?   While I agree that Biden is not as sharp as he used to be and that he is a gaffe-machine (still), one...
An Analysis of Nearly 4 Million Pitches Shows Just How Many Mistakes Umpires Make

An Analysis of Nearly 4 Million Pitches Shows Just How Many Mistakes Umpires Make


Via: TᵢG  •  82 comments  •  2 weeks ago
No doubt in my mind that balls and strikes will eventually be fully automated.   The technology already exists, is being tested in some minor league parks and the writing is on the wall:  MLB umpires agree to electronic strike zone testing and development for 'robot umps' in new union deal And this will continue as AI technology improves.   All the calls that require extraordinary...
Sep 08 2:23pm @3.1.46 "..." Any new technology will have people finding fault.   It is the nature of the beast. What I predict (which is what I said upfront) is that in the future we will have MLB-wide automated...
Sep 04 5:30pm @3.1.43 "..." LOL.   Of course not.  Your own comments refute your claim. And quoting your comments with editorials is not meta nor is it personal.   It is directly refuting your claim.
Sep 04 5:29pm @3.1.42 "..." So because their methodology is not detailed in this article we should presume they are incompetent? "..." Me too, in their actual published report.  Which, unfortunately, I cannot...
Sep 04 5:23pm @3.1.40 "..." True, you compared their projectile (as you imagine it) to something more like a marble (½ inch): "..." First of all they are indeed markers on a chart and not pictures of a baseball....
Sep 04 4:24pm @6.1.2 The umpires will not be replaced by automation (yet).   We are talking only about the calling of balls and strikes. I can see how someone would enjoy watching an ump and manager scream at each...
Sep 04 4:16pm @3.1.37 "..." You claim to express no conclusions about what the analysts understand while in your next sentence express a conclusion on what the analysts understand.  The article is speaking of the...
Sep 04 4:11pm @3.1.36 "..." And when you find the details let us know.   Until then you are presuming the researchers are incompetent based on an illustration while ignoring the balance of the article (and the common...
Sep 04 3:57pm @3.1.35 "..." I tend to be skeptical.   So I go by the evidence.   When we do not have information, I try to not presume.   In this case, sans evidence to the contrary, I am going to give the researchers...
Sep 04 2:11pm @4.2.17 I think most try to be fair.   The problem is that the human senses are errant and calling strikes and balls pushes our senses to the limit ... thus even the best umpires trying to be fair do...
Sep 04 2:09pm @3.1.31 "..." I have been stating that the information on the specific method is not provided and suggesting that one not presume incompetence or dishonesty in a study of 4 million pitches that is...
Sep 04 2:07pm @3.1.30 "..." That is just one chart out of a data set of ~4,000,000 pitches. "..." Well I would be quite surprised if Williams and his team did not comprehend the dimensions of a baseball in a study...
Sep 04 1:45pm @3.1.26 First and last warning on off-topic snark.
Sep 04 1:44pm @3.1.25 Your comments presume the analysts do not comprehend the size of a baseball passing through a strike zone.  You have nothing to back that up other than pointing to symbols on a chart and presuming...
Sep 04 1:03pm @3.1.22 More arguing for the sake of argument.   We are done.
Sep 04 12:54pm @3.1.20 "..." Do you think that the analysts ignored the fact that the baseball is ~3" in diameter and instead presumed a baseball is 1½" in diameter (which is what those icons seem to be based on the...
Sep 04 12:39pm @3.1.15 "..." What is the 'method' as you understand it?   What do you imagine these folks did to test ~4,000,000 baseball pitches? "Hey Joe, how big is a baseball?" "I don't know, a couple of inches"...
Sep 04 12:10pm @6.1 What do you think of the MLB moving to an automated ball/strike technology to improve the accuracy of the calls?
Sep 04 11:57am @3.1.13 "..." Tacos! I think you are just arguing for the sake of argument now.   It is not a 'No True Scotsman' fallacy to observe that engineers who are creating an ABS system would gauge it for a...
Sep 04 1:44am @3.1.10 "..." One need not be the designer to note what would be a ridiculous design.   Honestly Tacos!, do you actually believe that the designers of an ABS system would model the projectile as a golf...
Sep 03 10:59pm @3.1.8 "..." Correct.   Not sure I can explain this any clearer than what I already wrote.   You are looking at a graph!.   Why on Earth would you presume that the actual working system is determining...
Sep 03 10:22pm @4.2.15 Time for a glass of wine.  
Sep 03 9:49pm @4.2.13 Well, I did not feel I needed a /s tag for something so obvious. 
Sep 03 9:48pm @4.2.11 Well, LOL, not me.   I am amazed that the umps do as well as they do.   Some of these plays are milliseconds either way.
Sep 03 8:59pm @4.2.8 I agree, it is pushing our human senses past their limits.   To me it is no mystery why mistakes are made.
Sep 03 8:40pm @5.1.2 I fully agree that a very big part of the game is human error.   Without human error (and the possibility of human error), baseball would be boring.   I just think the error element should be...
Sep 03 8:17pm @4.2.6 Yes the similarity is quite strong. The reaction from 'the crowd' is the same too.   The presumption that the umpire has an agenda or is incompetent.
Sep 03 8:08pm @5.1 What then is your opinion of these wrong calls?   Is it human error or too much leeway in defining the strike zone? If there was a 100% perfectly defined strike zone, do you think human umpires...
Sep 03 7:34pm @1.1.1 No need for people in another room watching, that function would be performed by the ABS technology. The home plate umpire certainly has more to do than simply call balls and strikes.   So having...
Sep 03 7:17pm @4.2.4 How strange that you would see the similarity.
Sep 03 4:20pm @3.1.6 "..." I am sure you are not alone with that romantic view of the game.   And I appreciate why you would feel that way. To me, poor strike calls at the plate have been a pet peeve.   Baseball has...
Sep 03 4:09pm @3.1.5 "..." Not sure why this is hanging you guys up.   You are looking at a graph designed to show errors and oddly interpreting it as the actual position and size of the baseball.  My guess is that...
Sep 03 1:33pm @4.1.2 This is not an issue.   If the human eye can determine the knee then so can image processing technology.   This is an application of machine learning.   For example, a system can be trained to...
Sep 03 12:24pm @3.1 Another obvious place for sensor technology.   Coordinating ball touching glove with foot touching bag on first base is clearly better with technology.   The camera replays alone prove this.
Sep 03 12:18pm @4.1 "..." In this case, the technology is far superior to human senses and there is no computational challenge detecting when a sphere crosses the boundaries of a defined mathematical solid (the...
Sep 03 1:32am @1 I like having umpires because there are many judgment calls in baseball.   But there are also quite a few areas where human senses are simply no match for existing technology (and the technology...
Jeffrey Goldberg Says There's More To Come

Jeffrey Goldberg Says There's More To Come


Via: JohnRussell  •  29 comments  •  2 weeks ago
Sep 07 11:36pm @5.1.2 "..." Spot on.
Sep 07 11:00am @5.1 "..." Exactly.   Given his other comments (especially regarding McCain) he has made it easy to believe he would privately make such comments.
Sep 06 6:40pm @3.1.7 Then you choose to be wrong.
Sep 06 6:01pm @3.1.5 You continue to make these kinds of ridiculous allegations that having nothing whatsoever to do with what I write.   Just read what I write and do not preempt my written statements with notions...
Sep 06 5:45pm @3.1.3 No doubt.   But he is not saying and that is not helpful.
Sep 06 5:44pm @3.1.2 "..." If you are speaking of people who consider the whole picture and factor this in among dozens of other factors then your chose the wrong demographic as your example.   Clearly that...
Sep 06 5:09pm @3 "..." What is he waiting for? "..." This reads to me as though Goldberg has faith that the media, not he, will find a way to corroborate his allegations. If this story ends with nothing more...
Paul Has Questions For Christians Who Support Trump

Paul Has Questions For Christians Who Support Trump


By: JohnRussell  •  67 comments  •  one week ago
For those who can't watch the video, it is a regular person sitting in his car who videos himself asking pointed questions to Christians who support Trump. First he quotes 1 Corinthians 13 4-8 1 Corinthians 13:4-8 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps...
Sep 07 11:34pm @4.1.38 "..." Public services are not a defining characteristic of socialism.   If so then every nation of substance would be 'socialist'.
Sep 07 9:42pm @4.1.36 If only ...
Sep 07 7:28pm @4.1.34 "..." I think you nailed the original appeal of Trump.    He was not your normal politically correct politician.   I think many granted him his asshole level of candor because in that candor was...
Sep 07 12:21pm @4.1.28 Fascinating
Sep 07 12:09pm @4.1.26 You seem to be ignoring what Trump has done throughout his career.   When it comes to personal ethics, you cannot compare 3+ years of trump to 40+ years of Biden.   Compare 40 years to 40 years....
Sep 07 11:06am @4.1.23 "..." That language was inserted to emphasize to you that I was trying to summarize what you wrote and that I was then done.
Sep 07 1:34am @4.1.7 In essence, you are not voting for Trump because you think he is a fit president.   Rather it is because the agenda of the D party is antithetical with Christian values as you see them and Trump's...
Biden's call for sweeping mask mandate sees no change from Democratic governors

Biden's call for sweeping mask mandate sees no change from Democratic governors


Via: Nerm_L  •  19 comments  •  2 weeks ago
Another day, another walk back for Joe Biden.  Biden's call for a national mandate has magically morphed into political arm twisting after Democratic governors failed to follow Biden's lead. Joe Biden's demand for a national mandate drew a lot of headline attention.  Biden's waffling after no one listened hasn't received much attention at all. Are you ready for President Joe?  Joe Biden...
Sep 07 6:24pm @4.1 "..." If Biden tries to push an edict that literally holds true to his sound bite statement and thus has no qualifications then I will agree with you.
Sep 07 1:15pm @3.1.7 One can only be so specific when making soundbite statements and I do not think Biden actually would seek to have everyone wear a mask simply because they stepped outside of their homes.
Sep 07 12:59pm @3.1.3 "..." Yes, this literally is silly.   There is no reasonable purpose for someone to wear a mask simply because they are outside.   The mask is only relevant when one is within a few feet of a...
Sep 07 12:14pm @3 "..." All I would want from a President Biden is to keep the lights on until 2024.    If his administration accomplished nothing other than gridlock then that might be the best case scenario.   (...
Why Not Voting For Trump Endangers America

Why Not Voting For Trump Endangers America


Via: MAGA  •  140 comments  •  2 weeks ago
Biden and Harris and the Democrat Party are a clear and present danger to America, her internal security, economic interests, national defense, energy independence.  Trump puts America first and protects our interests in the world as well as our independence, sovereignty, and liberty, rights, and freedom.  
Sep 07 4:17pm @2.2.21 You are deflecting from the questions: "..." The key word here is intentionally as in executing a plan whose purpose was to infect the planet with COVID-19.
Sep 07 2:16pm @2.2.16 We know that China did not do enough to contain the virus.   The rest is speculation. How do you go from incompetence to intentionally causing a worldwide pandemic? What sane leader would...
Sep 07 11:55am @2.2.14 "..." That is an absurd conspiracy theory.    One that I am confident you cannot back up with facts or even reason.
Sep 06 4:32pm @2.2.6 "..." Responding to your personal meta:   You presume I am a progressive; that is a mistake.   You would be hard pressed to put a single label on my views.   I do not simply accept progressive...
Sep 06 11:50am @2.2.2 Why?   That would be a futile act of defiance based on a poor-loser mentality.   What a waste of time and resources.   I would suggest you instead put forth effort to find great R candidates...
We Must Have Donald Trump As President Because Kamala Harris Is A Communist And Joe Biden Is A Communist Stooge And They Will Let Communists And Anarchists Destroy America

We Must Have Donald Trump As President Because Kamala Harris Is A Communist And Joe Biden Is A Communist Stooge And They Will Let Communists And Anarchists Destroy America


By: JohnRussell  •  68 comments  •  2 weeks ago
We MUST Have Donald Trump As President Because Kamala Harris Is A Communist And Joe Biden Is A Communist Stooge And They Will Let Communists And Anarchists Destroy America This is , at long last, what it has come down to for the Trump campaign and it's army of faithful followers. Interestingly, it is BECAUSE Trump strategists know that Biden and Harris are not radicals that the...
Sep 07 2:11pm @2.1.14 "..." Certainly.   And I agree it is not a bug, it is fundamental to the concept of social democracy.
Sep 07 2:10pm @2.1.13 "..." Yes, the 70%-90% is regarding the top bracket. I was not saying that taxation itself would ONLY be applied at the top bracket but that your percentage, per Saez, applied only to the top...
Sep 07 12:17pm @2.1.9 As I noted: "..." I think we are making the same observation. "..." Correct, social democracy requires higher taxation (businesses and individuals) to fund the social programs.
Sep 07 11:49am @2.1.7 "..." I agree.   My point was that we do not know what will actually happen if both the Executive and Legislative branches are D given the factions at play in 2021.   That is, I cannot go by what...
Sep 06 11:21pm @2.1.4 The stock market, at this point, has already factored in a potential Biden presidency.  The net message is that losing Trump is not a big concern.   Taxes certainly will be raised at some point,...
Sep 06 4:43pm @8.1.2 "..." You need to define what you mean by 'communist' because that word, unqualified, is ambiguous.   Do you mean she embraces the tactics of Chairman Mao and Stalin?   Or do you mean that she...
Sep 06 1:04pm @8.1 "..." Where does this 'communist' angle come from?    How do you define the word 'communist'?   The video shows out-of-control mobs engaging in a non-peaceful protest.   Tagging this with the...
Sep 06 12:55pm @3.1.8 "..." I felt I had to do so to get through to you.   Your claim was extreme. "..." Well that is entirely different.   Yes it is quite fair to attack Trump (or anyone) without softening the...
Sep 06 12:45pm @3.1.6 "..." You do not understand that anyone can be unfairly attacked?   Certainly you must realize that there exists an almost unlimited supply of unfair attacks available.   If one were to accuse...
Sep 06 12:25pm @5.1 Yeah, the Rs have definitely anchored themselves to this absurd socialist/Marxist nonsense.   Don't get me started.
Sep 06 12:24pm @3.1.4 "..." One can unfairly attack anyone.   And every unfair attack reduces the credibility of the attacker and lessens the effect of attacks in general. Trump puts out so many legit opportunities...
Sep 06 12:11pm @3.1.1 I am not optimistic.
Sep 06 12:02pm @3 I doubt it is my imagination that Trump partisans seem to be losing it commensurate with Trump's chances for reelection.   The defensive 'arguments' are becoming increasingly shrill and irrational....
Is Success Luck or Hard Work?

Is Success Luck or Hard Work?


Via: Bob Nelson  •  8 comments  •  2 weeks ago
A great way to waste more time than you should!
Sep 06 1:53pm @2.2.1 "..." Pretty much the point I made.
Sep 06 12:29pm @2.1.1 One should work hard and be proud of one's accomplishments.   But one should also be sufficiently grounded and understand that not everyone gets to start on the third floor;  many begin in the...
Sep 06 11:37am @2 Success is a function of intelligence, hard-work, inherent skills, attitude and luck. Musk, Gates, Jobs, Page & Brin, Zuckerberg for example, illustrate intelligence ... identifying (hidden)...
What is the ultimate comfort food?

What is the ultimate comfort food?


By: Gordy327  •  205 comments  •  5 days ago
Comfort food-we've all had it. We all want it. And if you do not, I pity you. Comfort food is food that brings emotional joy and gratification, even if only for a short time. Maybe it's something that invokes a happy childhood memory. Perhaps it uplifts our spirits. For example, what's better for dealing with a relationship breakup than a tub of chocolate ice cream (other than possibly...
Sep 05 11:15pm @6 Alas, I almost never eat this anymore.   But if I am to be honest, I would like a burger, mushrooms, onions, pickles, ketchup but no cheese.
ABC: Joe Biden Isn't Senile, That's What The Russians Want You To Think

ABC: Joe Biden Isn't Senile, That's What The Russians Want You To Think


Via: Vic Eldred  •  55 comments  •  2 weeks ago  •  LOCKED
Sep 05 7:42pm @1.1.43 "..." I think you need to calm down and maybe move to some other topic.   You replied to my comment @1.1.27 and @1.1.29 which were my replies to Kathleen.   I even ignored your juvenile taunt...
Sep 05 7:27pm @1.1.39 "..." You have not been paying attention.   You are the one trying to float a ridiculous conspiracy theory.
Sep 05 7:26pm @1.1.38 "..." You are the one who raised this with me.   Don't complain that I replied to your comment. "..." Well since you asked, China very likely: Accidentally released COVID-19 into their...
Sep 05 7:19pm @1.1.36 "..." So let's see, you think that China intentionally wanted to infect the world with a pandemic because they screwed up in the containment? The leadership of China, once discovering that...
Sep 05 7:16pm @1.1.34 "..." Yes, Vic, a coverup is indeed intentional. Intentional coverup of mistake Intentional infection of the world with COVID-19 Do you see a difference between these two?
Sep 05 6:32pm @1.1.29 "..." Yes of course, and it is inexcusable.   I trust you see the profound difference between covering up an accident and intentionally causing a worldwide pandemic.
Sep 05 6:08pm @1.1.27 I agree. But I see a profound difference between covering up a mistake and intentionally causing a worldwide pandemic.   The former is easily a result of a mistake (inexcusable, but a mistake...
Sep 05 5:00pm @1.1.25 "..." Yes, that is about it.   You claim that China would intentionally infect the entire planet because they do not fear the repercussions.   Further, you actually insist that there actually...
Sep 05 3:25pm @1.1.23 "..." A belief is not an argument.    You say you believe China would intentionally infect the entire planet with COVID-19 because it fears no consequences. My comments go to that remarkable...
Sep 05 2:08pm @1.1.21 "..." The point is that we are talking about China intentionally infecting the world resulting in a COVID-19 pandemic.   It is the intentional vs. accidental nature that lies at the foundation of...
Sep 05 1:15pm @1.1.19 "..." We are talking about the hypothetical situation where China intentionally infects the planet with COVID-19 on the chance that it might cause Trump to lose his reelection bid.  The world...
Sep 05 11:50am @1.1.17 "..." And my rebuttal is that the leadership of China realizes that they are one of many nations and that they cannot operate in isolation.   To wit, they would not purposely infect the entire...
Sep 04 12:22pm @1.1.15 "..." Is this your argument that the leadership of China is therefore stupid enough to infect the world on purpose?  "..." You are comparing a local dispute to a worldwide pandemic.   Hong...
Sep 04 12:20am @1.1.13 "..." I like to deal with people who will stand up and make a clear claim.   The reason that is important is because all too often people make vague claims and then wiggle around when challenged....
Sep 03 8:14pm @1.1.11 "..." I take baby steps because people like to claim:  'I did not write that' when one paraphrases for clarity. "..." I think that in both the long term and the short term strategies (China...
Sep 03 7:36pm @1.1.8 Your hypothesis, nonetheless, is that China purposely created a world pandemic as part of some strategy beneficial to them.
Sep 03 7:11pm @1.1.6 "..." Your hypothesis is that China purposely infected the entire planet with a virus (traced back to them) thus creating a worldwide pandemic and disrupting the entire world economy?    They...
Latest Defense Of Trump ------  He Doesnt Hate Our Troops, He Just Sounds Like An Asshole Sometimes

Latest Defense Of Trump ------ He Doesnt Hate Our Troops, He Just Sounds Like An Asshole Sometimes


By: JohnRussell  •  34 comments  •  2 weeks ago
Well, we're making progress.  They still idolize him, but at least a few of them are willing to say Trump is embarrassing, human being wise.  “The president means no disrespect to our troops; it’s just that the way he speaks, he can sound like an asshole sometimes” Is it going to work? ....... Nah. 
Sep 04 9:06pm @3 If one is supporting Biden, it is a good thing if Trump supporters defend Trump by admitting he is an asshole.
Trump Lies, Says He Never Called John McCain a 'Loser'

Trump Lies, Says He Never Called John McCain a 'Loser'


Via: JohnRussell  •  58 comments  •  2 weeks ago
Sep 04 9:01pm @6.2.18 Opinion is fine Kathleen.   The difference I am noting are claims.   One can have the opinion that Trump is net good for the USA.   That opinion certainly is up for challenge, but if one is not...
Sep 04 8:44pm @6.2.15 "..." That has nothing to do with it.   I am referring to the quality of the argument in support of the claims.    I find far more failure to make a cogent argument from Trump sycophants than I...
Sep 04 8:24pm @6.2.13 "..." Seems to me, if one is to make a claim one should be prepared to defend the claim with facts.   I am appalled at the number of people who just toss out claims and then crumble on the first...
Sep 04 8:17pm @6.2.12 "..." I wonder how you know what I am thinking? "..." Then what do you suggest?   If facts do not work and fabrication does not work (hopefully that is true) then why bother engaging 'this...
Sep 04 7:55pm @6.2.9 "..." Okay I am all ears.   If you think facts are a poor foundation for persuading people, what method do you suggest as better? Feel free to chime in too JR.    What is the best way, in your...
Sep 04 7:49pm @6.2.8 Which do you think works better:  facts or inference? Is it better to put forth a criticism of Trump that is based on demonstrable fact or to put forth that which can be dismissed as rumor or TDS?
Sep 04 7:09pm @6.2.6 Like I said PJ, there are plenty of actual words said by Trump that can even be delivered via video.   There is no need to infer.  In fact, making a case based solely on inference is...
Sep 04 6:45pm @6.3.5 "..." I agree that sounds like something Trump might say.   And when people just take this as truth, it is partially a result of Trump's own behavior.   He just makes it easy to believe he would...
Sep 04 6:23pm @6.2.4 The claim that Trump called McCain a loser because he was captured in war.
Sep 04 5:57pm @6.2.2 "..." I agree.  There is plenty of raw material there to criticize Trump.   No need for spin.
Sep 04 5:55pm @6.4 True that Trump did not call McCain a loser because of being captured but rather because of his loss to Obama.   Here is what he did do: He discredited McCain and all POWs with that remark.
'Hard truth is you won’t be safe in Joe Biden’s America'

'Hard truth is you won’t be safe in Joe Biden’s America'


Via: MAGA  •  291 comments  •  2 weeks ago
American and America will not be safe in a BidEn regime Trojan horse regime.  The lamestream media is lying for and masking the Trojan horse for socialism that the democrat party has become.  
Sep 04 8:30pm @5.1.85 One can vote straight D for decades and still be an independent. For example, an individual who is convinced that the nation runs better with the Ds in control (if the conclusion is based on facts...
Sep 03 11:24pm @5.1.80 Luckily not all Rs and Ds are partisans.
Sep 02 9:54pm @5.1.75 "..." Quite a few people here, it seems, do not understand the concept of a political independent.   Worse, some presume they know an independent's political thought process better than the...
Sep 01 12:48am @11.1.22 "..." Then you having nothing to lose (in your way of thinking).   Go for it then. "..." Your approach is the very definition of playing the market.   If you think it is a smart move to sell...
CDC tells states: Be ready to distribute vaccines on Nov. 1

CDC tells states: Be ready to distribute vaccines on Nov. 1


Via: Vic Eldred  •  37 comments  •  2 weeks ago  •  LOCKED
Sep 04 1:27am @4.1.7 "..." A proven vaccine would definitely help.   A newly released vaccine that has not had time to be certified with good empirical results will not help much at all. There is not enough time...
Sep 03 6:39pm @4.1.4 Any guesses then on what they 'see' regarding a vaccine helping Trump win reelection?
Sep 03 6:17pm @4.1.2 Thing is, I see no way at this point for a vaccine to help Trump.   The vaccine would have had to be distributed already and followed up by credible results that will put the electorate at ease....
Trump directs federal agencies to defund 4 Democratic cities, other 'anarchist jurisdictions'

Trump directs federal agencies to defund 4 Democratic cities, other 'anarchist jurisdictions'


Via: JohnRussell  •  49 comments  •  2 weeks ago
Sep 03 1:35pm @2.2.4 It is interesting to observe the degree to which what one desires affects one’s objectivity.
Sep 03 12:39pm @2.2.2 I think that is true.   One can also make the same case for Trump sycophants.   I suspect the 'arguments' will grow increasingly shrill if the current trend continues (Trump losing).
The Fallacy of Biblical Stories, Part 6: The Day the Sun Stood Still

The Fallacy of Biblical Stories, Part 6: The Day the Sun Stood Still


By: Gordy327  •  53 comments  •  3 days ago
Welcome to Part 6 of the fallacy of biblical stories series. This one will focus on a supposed celestial event described in the bible. Namely, the time God caused the sun to stop moving for almost a whole day, and all because one guy asked him too. I will admit, that seems like quite the favor to grant a mere mortal. But how plausible is it? Well, just like the other parts of the biblical...
Sep 03 12:32pm @3.2.2 "..." I fully agree: "..." This is one of the dimensions of biblical analysis that seems obvious to me but seems to escape the consideration of theists (even when brought to their attention)....
Sep 03 1:46am @1.1.2 "..." Do you find that unusual?   The debate 'logic' typically (based on my observations at least) used is to always hold 'God did it' and then try to figure out ways to prop up that conclusion....
Sep 02 11:53pm @3.1.1 "..." The Bible offers nothing that goes outside of the cultural and knowledge bounds of ancient men.   Its contents are expressed the way ancient me would perceive reality with not a hint of a...
Sep 02 10:15pm @3 "..." Which, right off the bat, makes zero sense.   God, per the Bible, is omniscient and thus knows what will happen before it happens.   Before the request was made, God already would have...
No matter how many times I watch this video I still can't believe it's not satire | Not the Bee

No matter how many times I watch this video I still can't believe it's not satire | Not the Bee


Via: Vic Eldred  •  30 comments  •  2 weeks ago  •  LOCKED
Sep 02 10:13am @5 A more extreme example of how some people frame reality per their desires.   Who knows, they might actually believe the driver tried to run them over.   Or that they are somehow in the right here.
Congratulations, Candace Owens!!!

Congratulations, Candace Owens!!!


Via: MAGA  •  145 comments  •  2 weeks ago
Just wow!  What a beautiful message!  There is nothing as fulfilling as life.  The creation and beginning of a human life.  Not a clump of cells, a zygote, something to be discarded to the trash if it’s selfishly inconvenient.  A beautiful human life.  
Sep 02 10:02am @4.1.31 Deflection.   If you have a point, make it.   I have responded to what you have written.
Sep 02 12:08am @1.2.22 As usual, the Bible expresses the perspectives of ancient men trying to interpret their environment.   If it were divine, we would not see 'sun stood still' but rather an enlightened description of...
Sep 01 6:13pm @4.1.29 "..." Okay.   This does not change the essence of my answer, but your positions are noted. Here is the question you asked: "..." So let's be clear in consideration of your declaration of...
Are you panicking about the presidential race? If so, time to chill the f' out

Are you panicking about the presidential race? If so, time to chill the f' out


Via: JohnRussell  •  26 comments  •  2 weeks ago
Sep 01 9:59pm @2.1.6 Pathetic.
Sep 01 9:41pm @2.1.4 Question tacitly answered:  you have nothing but wishful thinking to offer.
Sep 01 6:19pm @2.1.2 "..." I see.     How persuasive. "..." So you hold that the polls do not matter.   Okay, accepted.   Now, how do you know the silent majority you mention will vote the same way with Biden as...
Sep 01 4:29pm @2.1 "..." On what do you base your conclusion?