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UAW hits Trump, Musk with federal labor charges over union-busting remarks

  
Via:  TᵢG  •  4 months ago  •  71 comments

By:   Rebecca Picciotto,Lora Kolodny (CNBC)

UAW hits Trump, Musk with federal labor charges over union-busting remarks
During Donald Trump and Elon Musk's two-hour conversation on X, the former president complimented the Tesla CEO on firing workers who wanted to strike.

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The United Auto Workers union on Tuesday filed federal labor charges with the National Labor Relations Board against former President Donald Trump and billionaire Elon Musk for publicly applauding the practice of firing employees who threaten to strike.

"I look at what you do," Trump said to Musk during a two-hour interview Monday night on X, the social media platform Musk owns.

"You walk in, you say, 'You want to quit?' They go on strike," Trump said to Musk, who also is CEO of the EV car maker Tesla and of SpaceX.

"I won't mention the name of the company, but they go on strike and you say, 'That's okay, you're all gone. You're all gone. So, every one of you is gone,'" Trump said.

Trump was referring to the 2022 gutting of Twitter staff after Musk took over the social media business and renamed it X.

It is illegal to fire workers who threaten to strike, because the right to strike is protected under federal labor law.

"When we say Donald Trump is a scab, this is what we mean," UAW President Shawn Fain said in a statement Tuesday on the new charges. "When we say Trump stands against everything our union stands for, this is what we mean."

Neither the Trump campaign nor Musk replied to CNBC's request for comment on the UAW action.

UAW President Shawn Fain chairs the 2023 Special Elections Collective Bargaining Convention in Detroit, Michigan, U.S., March 27, 2023. Rebecca Cook | Reuters

Trump's praise of union busting is notable because the Republican presidential nominee is currently fighting to win support from organized labor in a tight race against Vice President Kamala Harris.

The UAW, which represents more than 400,000 autoworkers, has already endorsed Harris. But another major U.S. labor union, the Teamsters, has yet to make an endorsement.

A spokesman for the Teamsters did not immediately reply to a request for comment on Trump's support for union busting.

In July, Teamsters President Sean O'Brien delivered a speech at the Republican National Convention.

He said his attendance was intended to underscore that the union's powerful political endorsement was still available to whichever candidate pledges to champion workers' interests.

"Companies fire workers who try to join unions, and hide behind toothless laws that are meant to protect working people but are manipulated to benefit corporations," O'Brien said at the RNC in Milwaukee.

"This is economic terrorism at its best," said O'Brien.

Musk is no stranger to labor battles. Tesla has clashed with union proponents for years, and Tesla workers remain without a union.

In 2021, the NLRB found that Tesla violated labor laws when it fired a union activist.

The board had made the same finding after Musk wrote on Twitter in 2018, "Nothing stopping Tesla team at our car plant from voting union. Could do so tmrw if they wanted. But why pay union dues & give up stock options for nothing?"

SpaceX has also been accused by the U.S. labor board of illegally firing eight employees, this time in retaliation over their internal, open letter criticizing Musk and his public conduct.

In response, SpaceX filed a suit claiming the NLRB's authority and administrative proceedings are unconstitutional.

This is a developing story. Please check back for updates.


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TᵢG
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1  seeder  TᵢG    4 months ago

Trump's position on labor should be obvious.   Trump admires tough authoritarians who control the 'little' people.   

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  TᵢG @1    4 months ago

Trumps comments last night on labor should be disqualifying. 

 
 
 
George
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1.1.1  George  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1    4 months ago
comments last night on labor should be disqualifying.

I thought it was crowd size?

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.1.2  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1    4 months ago

OMG - I'm listening to some of it now - OMG - he said that he told Vladimir Putin - regarding Ukraine - 'don't do, it you cannot do it Vladimir, you do it, it's gonna be a bad day, and I told him things that what I do, and he said no way and I said way..'

he actually said that - what world leader speaks this way?

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.1.3  Tessylo  replied to  Tessylo @1.1.2    4 months ago

sorry - some of the musk/trump 'interview'

 
 
 
Krishna
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1.1.4  Krishna  replied to  George @1.1.1    4 months ago
I thought it was crowd size?

Nope.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.1.5  Tessylo  replied to  Tessylo @1.1.2    4 months ago

I think it was on the Daily Show, Desi Lydic - one of the correspondents - lol - said something to the effect that I said - 'and he said no way and I said way' - that all diplomats speak this way

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evilone
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1.2  evilone  replied to  TᵢG @1    4 months ago

All this while the Republicans are trying to frame their platforms as standing up for the working middle class. It's tragic.

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.2.1  devangelical  replied to  evilone @1.2    4 months ago
standing up for the working middle class

... almost as funny as their law and order platform.

 
 
 
CB
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1.2.2  CB  replied to  evilone @1.2    4 months ago

They, Donald and Elon, two of the most 'in the moment' people on the planet sitting at a major juncture of "listen up! & be heard' online and they are verbally slapping each other on the back and high-fiving as they diss unions/workers! What a 'disaster' Donald and Elon! 

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.2.3  devangelical  replied to  devangelical @1.2.1    4 months ago

... defenders of the constitution. /s

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2  JohnRussell    4 months ago

My mistake. There was something similar on another seed and I thought the company involved was tesla. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3  Vic Eldred    4 months ago

It won't work:

Labor leaders have worked for months to sell their members on Biden, hoping to avoid a repeat of 2016 when Donald Trump outperformed among union members and won the White House. But despite a bevy of national union endorsements for Biden and years of what leaders call attacks on organized labor from the Trump administration, local officials in critical battleground states said support for Trump remains solid.

Rank-and-file union members snub Biden for Trump - POLITICO

 
 
 
devangelical
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3.1  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @3    4 months ago

tell us, what does project 2025 say about the future of unions and labor organizations?

 
 
 
Ronin2
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3.1.1  Ronin2  replied to  devangelical @3.1    4 months ago

Tell us when Trump has ever endorsed project 2025?

 
 
 
JBB
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3.1.2  JBB  replied to  Ronin2 @3.1.1    4 months ago

The same as the Spartans were coy about Troy's gift horse!

That way Spartans were inside before exposing themselves.

Project 2025 is Trump's plan to consolidate power in power...

It is of Trump, by Trump and was explicitly drafted for Trump!

The people of the US aren't ever letting Trump's trick pony in.

 
 
 
devangelical
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3.1.3  devangelical  replied to  Ronin2 @3.1.1    4 months ago

starting in 2022...

 
 
 
CB
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3.1.4  CB  replied to  devangelical @3.1.3    4 months ago

Donald (78 years old - mothball) Double-talking fool! 

 
 
 
Snuffy
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3.1.5  Snuffy  replied to  devangelical @3.1.3    4 months ago

Ahh, but to use the words of someone who is defending Walz on anther seed...  

That's old news and he's changed his mind. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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3.1.6  Trout Giggles  replied to  Snuffy @3.1.5    4 months ago

I didn't say he changed his mind. I said he may have changed his mind. Don;t put words in my mouth.

And did Vance ever backtrack his statements about trmp?

 
 
 
Snuffy
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3.1.7  Snuffy  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.1.6    4 months ago

I would say that Vance has backtracked just as much as Walz has. The only real difference I see is that Vance is now speaking about Trump in a positive way (yeah, terrible but true) while Walz has not said anything about his past support so we really don't know if he's changed his mind or not. I would believe that neither has changed their minds but are willing to say (or in the case of Walz not speak) the opposite for political gains.

Both are terrible picks for the VP office and do little to help their respective tickets. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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3.1.8  Trout Giggles  replied to  Snuffy @3.1.7    4 months ago

So neither has done the back track thing.

How about an apology for misrepresenting my words?

 
 
 
Snuffy
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3.1.9  Snuffy  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.1.8    4 months ago

Only because I like you. Sorry for misrepresenting your words. You did say Walz MAY have changed his mind, not that he did change his mind. I say it would sure help if he were to say anything about that issue rather than just ignore it but so long as main-stream media is willing to ignore it and the Democrats are willing to ignore it, there's little harm to him in ignoring it also.

 
 
 
devangelical
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3.1.10  devangelical  replied to  Snuffy @3.1.5    4 months ago

need a few reminders on what positions trump has flipped on in the last year, for campaign cash?

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.1.11  Tessylo  replied to  devangelical @3.1.3    4 months ago

There are these training films involved with Project 2025 and it's really whackjob stuff.  They showed some on one of the shows we were watching last night.  Stephen or the Daily Show.  29 of the 36 involved in this whackjobbery/government takeover were in the former 'president' convicted felon and rapist's criminal enterprise of an administration.  

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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3.2  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Vic Eldred @3    4 months ago

More like sold their souls to Biden! Many union leaders nowadays ain't got nothing on the likes of Jimmy Hoffa.

 
 
 
Krishna
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3.2.1  Krishna  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @3.2    4 months ago
More like sold their souls to Biden!

I disagree. 

In fact, union members will not be voting for Biden in the upcoming presidential election-- that I can tell you!

 
 
 
Krishna
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3.3  Krishna  replied to  Vic Eldred @3    4 months ago
Rank-and-file union members snub Biden for Trump - POLITICO

Could be.

In fact many people are saying that union members will definitely not be voting for Biden in the upcoming presidential election!

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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4  Trout Giggles    4 months ago
"Companies fire workers who try to join unions, and hide behind toothless laws that are meant to protect working people but are manipulated to benefit corporations," O'Brien said at the RNC in Milwaukee.

I'm surprised he wasn't tarred and feather after speaking this blasphemy.

Unions better wake the fuck up. People like trmp and musk don't care about them. They only care about their bottom line and how much money they can make.

TRUMP. DOES. NOT. CARE. ABOUT. YOU!!!!

 
 
 
Tessylo
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4.1  Tessylo  replied to  Trout Giggles @4    4 months ago

Hard to understand why the cult doesn't get this.  trump cares about trump and what benefits trump...trump cares about nothing else

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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5  Vic Eldred    4 months ago

TRUMP IS ALL YOU"VE GOT!

 
 
 
devangelical
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5.1  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @5    4 months ago

... for maga morons, crooks, or thumpers, trump is their only choice.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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5.1.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  devangelical @5.1    4 months ago

Tell us what a thumper is?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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5.1.2  Trout Giggles  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.1    4 months ago

I would rather die than live thru even one year of a trmp administration

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
5.1.3  JBB  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.1    4 months ago

A far rightwing Bible thumping evangelical MAGA fundamentalist 

 
 
 
George
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5.1.4  George  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.1.2    4 months ago

[] Not being political but no politician should have this much control over your life.

 
 
 
JBB
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5.1.5  JBB  replied to  George @5.1.4    4 months ago

I'd rather be dead than MAGA in red...

 
 
 
devangelical
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5.1.6  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.1    4 months ago
Tell us what a thumper is?

they're like mackerel snappers, only without the chronic masturbaters in the funny hats and matching shirt collars...

 
 
 
Krishna
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5.1.7  Krishna  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.1    4 months ago
Tell us what a thumper is?

DON'T DO IT-- ITS A TRAP!!!! 

 
 
 
JBB
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5.2  JBB  replied to  Vic Eldred @5    4 months ago

Nope, Trump is not ours. He is all yours and you can have him...original original

 
 
 
Tessylo
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5.3  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @5    4 months ago

No, that's all you got!

 
 
 
TᵢG
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5.4  seeder  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @5    4 months ago

That vague claim could mean anything.

Trump gaining the power of the presidency is indeed what I view as the number one issue in 2024.

Personally I do not deal with other lesser issues because at the foundation my view is that Trump must be stopped because him as PotUS would be horrible for this nation and for the GOP in many ways which I have outlined now for almost two years.

You want to give the power of the presidency to a traitor.   To a malignant narcissist pathological liar who will abuse his power to suit himself.   To an irresponsible loose-cannon who is living in an alternate reality where he is the smartest man on the planet and is willing to stubbornly (and ignorantly) make the changes he alone sees fit to make.

The key issue is the potential empowerment of this old, irrational demagogue and the key problem is those who support this scoundrel.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5.4.1  JohnRussell  replied to  TᵢG @5.4    4 months ago
You want to give the power of the presidency to a traitor.   To a malignant narcissist pathological liar who will abuse his power to suit himself.   To an irresponsible loose-cannon who is living in an alternate reality where he is the smartest man on the planet and is willing to stubbornly (and ignorantly) make the changes he alone sees fit to make. The key issue is the potential empowerment of this old, irrational demagogue and the key problem is those who support this scoundrel.

Yes , but he has "policies" that the far right desires. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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5.4.2  Greg Jones  replied to  TᵢG @5.4    4 months ago
"which I have outlined now for almost two years."

Yeah, ad infinitum. We've read these repeated rants for a long time now and consider them to be baseless and unfounded.

Carry on!

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
5.4.3  seeder  TᵢG  replied to  Greg Jones @5.4.2    4 months ago

I have yet to see you make a counter argument other than the equivalent of nuh-uh.   So now is your chance.   Instead of offering nothing other than a platitude denial, make an actual argument based on real facts and sound logic.

 
 
 
evilone
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5.4.4  evilone  replied to  TᵢG @5.4.3    4 months ago
I have yet to see you make a counter argument other than the equivalent of nuh-uh.

I just had to deal similarly with a co-worker who tried to tell me how great Musk's interview of Trump went. She specifically told me, she didn't want me to explain why they were wrong, she just liked two billionaires having a down to earth conversation about why groceries were too expensive and how drilling for more oil would fix everything.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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5.4.5  seeder  TᵢG  replied to  evilone @5.4.4    4 months ago

This illustrates a long-standing, key problem with much of the electorate.   They operate at a superficial level and have only a handful (if that much) of data points on which they base their voting decision.

The woman in question listened to this interview and  somehow did not recognize the staggering lies that Trump told about his non-accomplishments and that his grandiose claims are bullshit. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
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5.4.6  Tessylo  replied to  evilone @5.4.4    4 months ago

No way!

Way!

See 1.1.2

lol

 
 
 
evilone
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5.4.7  evilone  replied to  TᵢG @5.4.5    4 months ago
This illustrates a long-standing, key problem with much of the electorate.   They operate at a superficial level and have only a handful (if that much) of data points on which they base their voting decision.

And they surround themselves in a bias confirmation bubble. 

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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5.4.8  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  evilone @5.4.4    4 months ago

As if either one could tell you how much a gallon of milk goes for.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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5.5  MrFrost  replied to  Vic Eldred @5    4 months ago

TRUMP IS ALL YOU"VE GOT!

Then I will happily go forward with nothing. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
5.6  MrFrost  replied to  Vic Eldred @5    4 months ago

TRUMP IS ALL YOU"VE GOT!

Trump literally went golfing while his brother died in a hospital bed from covid, and you think he cares about YOU? You gotta be fucking kidding me.. LOL

 
 
 
Thomas
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5.7  Thomas  replied to  Vic Eldred @5    4 months ago
TRUMP IS ALL YOU"VE GOT!

For a good joke that neither you nor he get..

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
5.7.1  devangelical  replied to  Thomas @5.7    4 months ago

... and never will.

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Expert
5.8  Krishna  replied to  Vic Eldred @5    4 months ago
TRUMP IS ALL YOU"VE GOT!

Nope-- wrong again!

While you not be aware of it, there is an alternative to voting for Trump-- and that is voting for the Harris/Walz ticket!

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
5.8.1  JBB  replied to  Krishna @5.8    4 months ago

The gop had one, ONE, winning Presidential election cycle in the last twenty years in 2016 when Trump badly lost the popular vote again yet squeaked out a razor thin inside straight in the Electoral College. Yet, MAGA whoop and crow as if they were winning...

Trump has never polled above 50%. Never won the popular vote!

As MAGA attacks on Harris' race and sex and on Walz's military service blow up negatively in gop faces the MAGA double down.

MAGA are so far gone now nothing except utter defeat will work.

original original

 
 
 
devangelical
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5.8.2  devangelical  replied to  JBB @5.8.1    4 months ago

it's very entertaining to watch the maga demigod mentally deteriorate in the media...

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
5.8.3  Tessylo  replied to  devangelical @5.8.2    4 months ago

It is fun!  My dad and I and his gal pal were watching Stephen Colbert last night, got caught up, and some of the Daily Show episodes.  The former 'president' convicted felon and rapist provides so much raw material - Stephen's monologues practically right themselves.

Anyone else in such serious mental decline we would feel sympathy/empathy for if they weren't such an evil and hateful scumbag.

Why has no one in his family talked to him and said that he needed to step aside and seek help?  Maybe they have but it reminds me of Jim Jones - his wife was talking with their biological son - after the psycho had slipped into drug addiction - and said we need to get him off drugs - we need to isolate him - we need to do something - and the son - Stephen I believe is his name, said, mom, you don't tell a Demigod, a god, that he is a drug abuser.

You can't tell that psycho/sociopath/malignant narcissist a damned thing

 
 
 
George
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6  George    4 months ago
The United Auto Workers union on Tuesday filed federal labor charges with the National Labor Relations Board against former President Donald Trump and billionaire Elon Musk for publicly applauding the practice of firing employees who threaten to strike.

If they were actually stupid enough to do this, the United Auto workers should be sanctioned and fined for this publicity stunt and for wasting NLRB time. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
6.1  MrFrost  replied to  George @6    4 months ago
the United Auto workers should be sanctioned and fined for this publicity stunt and for wasting NLRB time. 

Kinda like suing the DOJ for 100 million? Political stunt. 

 
 
 
George
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6.1.1  George  replied to  MrFrost @6.1    4 months ago

Exactly! Did you have a point other than deflecting to trump?

 
 
 
devangelical
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6.1.2  devangelical  replied to  George @6.1.1    4 months ago

did you even read the article headline?

 
 
 
George
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6.1.3  George  replied to  devangelical @6.1.2    4 months ago

Yes, and i copied and pasted their statement from the article, You do realize that you are allowed to say you support union workers getting fired if they strike right? Do you not believe in freedom of speech?  It is when you actually fire them that you violate the law. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
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6.1.4  Tessylo  replied to  devangelical @6.1.2    4 months ago

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devangelical
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6.1.5  devangelical  replied to  Tessylo @6.1.4    4 months ago

... and then my simple question gets turned into a 1st amendment violation deflection.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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6.1.6  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  devangelical @6.1.5    4 months ago

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Greg Jones
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7  Greg Jones    4 months ago

What in the world have the Dems done for working people lately. They've allowed millions of illegals into the country who willl compete with citizens for jobs. Dems are the party of laws and restrictions that are unfriendly to large and small business alike. Didn't the autoworkers win big during their last strike last year? Big contracts mean higher costs for companies which gets passed on to the customers.

What today's working class wants from political leaders | Brookings

The UAW won big — but what does it mean for the rest of us? : NPR

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
7.1  MrFrost  replied to  Greg Jones @7    4 months ago
What in the world have the Dems done for working people lately.

512

How about not raising taxes on the middle class? 

 
 
 
George
Junior Expert
7.1.1  George  replied to  MrFrost @7.1    4 months ago

Sigh.......................... PolitiFact | Social media post misrepresents analysis of Trump tax law

In their "distributional tables" — the analytical charts that show how much a typical taxpayer in a given income group will see their after-tax income rise or fall under the law — both the  Urban Institute-Brookings Institution Tax Policy Center  and the  Tax Foundation  concluded that until 2027, taxpayers across the income spectrum will fare better under the 2017 law than they would have otherwise. 

 
 
 
Snuffy
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7.1.2  Snuffy  replied to  George @7.1.1    4 months ago

I seem to remember that Pelosi and the Dem's wouldn't work with the Republicans on this so the tax cuts had to have a 10 year sunset clause. I don't remember all the specifics but it would end the tax cuts for the lower and middle class payers due to the way the laws work, but business changes were supposed to be permanent. 

 
 

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