Southern Baptists boot Saddleback Church for having a female pastor
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Link copied Feb. 22, 2023, 2:09 AM UTC By The Associated Press
The Southern Baptist Convention on Tuesday ousted its second-largest congregation — Saddleback Church, the renowned California megachurch founded by pastor and best-selling author Rick Warren — for having a woman pastor.
The vote by the convention's Executive Committee culminates growing tension between the nation's largest Protestant denomination — which officially opposes women as pastors — and a congregation whose story has been one of the biggest church-growth successes of modern times.
The committee cited Saddleback's having "a female teaching pastor functioning in the office of pastor," an allusion to Stacie Wood, wife of the current lead pastor of Saddleback, Andy Wood.
Pastor Andy Wood and his wife, Stacie Wood, at Saddleback Church in Lake Forest, Calif., on Oct. 16.Allison Dinner / AP file
But the controversy began in 2021, when Warren ordained three women as pastors, prompting discussions within the denomination about possibly expelling the megachurch.
Warren retired last year after 42 years at Saddleback. He made an emotional speech in June 2022 at the Southern Baptists' annual convention in Anaheim, standing by his ordination of women. He told delegates who debated the issue, "We have to decide if we will treat each other as allies or adversaries."
But the Executive Committee took the vote Tuesday without public discussion after meeting in executive session.
It voted to approve a recommendation from the denomination's Credentials Committee that Saddleback be deemed "not in friendly cooperation with the Convention" — the terminology used for ousting a church. While Southern Baptists' statement of faith officially opposes women as pastors, each congregation is self-governing, so the main enforcement mechanism is to oust it from membership.
The Executive Committee's motion said that Saddleback "has a faith and practice that does not closely identify with the Convention's adopted statement of faith, as demonstrated by the church having a female teaching pastor functioning in the office of pastor."
Saddleback has the right to appeal the decision at the Southern Baptists' next annual meeting, scheduled for New Orleans in June. It did not respond immediately to requests for comment on the Executive Committee decision.
With its main campus in Lake Forest, south of Los Angeles, Saddleback Church has grown over four to 14 locations in Southern California, with an average weekly attendance of 30,000. There are four international campuses —in Hong Kong, Germany, the Philippines and Argentina.
Wood told The Associated Press last year that the Bible "teaches that men and women were given spiritual gifts by God." His wife has served as teaching pastor for Saddleback.
"The church should be a place where both men and women can exercise those spiritual gifts," Wood said. "My wife has the spiritual gift of teaching and she is really good. People often tell me she's better than me when it comes to preaching, and I'm really glad to hear that."
Other congregations removed
The Executive Committee also voted to oust five other congregations — four over the issue of women as pastors and one over the issue of sexual abuse.
When Southern Baptists last updated their official statement of belief — The Baptist Faith and Message — in 2000, they added this clause: "While both men and women are gifted for service in the church, the office of pastor is limited to men as qualified by Scripture."
The five churches ousted for having women as pastors "have been valued, cooperating churches for many years, and this decision was not made lightly," Committee Chairman Jared Wellman said in a statement. "However, we remain committed to upholding the theological convictions of the SBC and maintaining unity among its cooperating churches."
Warren, with a social media following in the millions, has written multiple books, including the widely successful "The Purpose Driven Life." In 2005, Time magazine named Warren one of the "100 Most Influential People in the World," and he delivered the invocation at President Barack Obama's inauguration in 2009.
The church grew from a startup by Rick Warren and his wife, Kay Warren. With his charisma and easy, informal preaching style, Warren attracted thousands to the megachurch. Over the past decade, Warren also launched an ambitious plan to expand the church's reach across Southern California as well as globally, a vision his successor has promised to complete.
SBC's ouster of churches
The SBC has in recent years authorized the ouster of churches that don't conform to its statement of faith. This includes churches with women pastors, LGBTQ-inclusive polices, support for racism or failure to respond adequately to child sexual abuse, such as employing offenders as pastors.
In some cases, the committee has ousted churches for allegedly failing even to cooperate in answering to such allegations, as reflected in some of the motions approved on Tuesday.
It deemed Freedom Church in Vero Beach, Florida, to be not in friendly cooperation "based on a lack of intent to cooperate in resolving concerns regarding a sexual abuse allegation." The denomination has been roiled by allegations in recent years of sexual abusers remaining in ministry, prompting the convention to vote for stricter policies. A task force focused on the issue this week announced the hiring of a firm to oversee a new database of credibly accused ministers.
Freedom Church's pastor, Richard Demsick, told the AP that the SBC has sent conflicting messages to the church. In a letter to national, state and local Southern Baptist entities, church leaders disputed any allegation of abuse, asked for additional information and said they planned to appeal any ouster.
The Executive Committee ousted New Faith Mission Ministry of Griffin, Georgia, and St. Timothy's Christian Baptist in Baltimore, citing their "lack of intent to cooperate in resolving a question" arising from the churches having women senior pastors.
And it ousted Fern Creek Baptist Church in Louisville, Kentucky, and Calvary Baptist Church in Jackson, Mississippi, both for having female lead pastors, indicating they have a "faith and practice" at odds with the convention's.
Saddleback's ouster quickly drew reaction from Dwight McKissic, a Southern Baptist pastor with often-contrarian views.
"I'm burdened by the attempt to disfellowship Saddleback for this very reason; it's not about Scripture, or adherence to BFM2K (Baptist Faith and Message 2000) that does not address women's ordination, or wmn (women) serving as associate pastors," McKissic, senior pastor of Cornerstone Baptist Church in Arlington, Texas, said on Twitter. "It's driven by power, male supremacy; and it stinks in the nostrils of God."
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In their defense, Southern Baptist renounced slavery, segregation and Jim Crow, in 1995...
How decent of them.
And we wonder why religion looks and is backward.
I'm not a member of the Southern Baptists or even a Christian, so I don't care about the administrative decisions of the SBC. It does amuse me however, that people who look upon Southern Baptists with disdain, are upset that the Saddleback congregation is now liberated from SB membership.
Who is upset? Even Jimmy and Rosslyn Carter left the Southern Baptist Convention, which is the oldest, biggest and most influential Baptist organization, because of their bassackwards hateful dogma.
You seem to find a lot of things "amusing" that plainly are not so...
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Wait until they find out that God is a woman.
Or trans....
I mean they do show pics of God wearing a dress.
The Methodist split over the issue. Now some split off again blaming gay rights or something.
If the SBC is using that letter of Paul's that said women should be silent in church then the Saddleback Church should toss back that Paul is not the Savior, Messiah, Son of God, etc. Only Jesus' s words matter.
Oh...and someone should remind the SBC that the RCC were the first ones to give Paul a voice....jes sayin'
Many evangelicals types are way more Paulist than Christian...
They really are. Just like the RCC
A good argument can be made that the Roman Jew, Saul of Tarsus, highjacked the nascient Christian Church for Rome's benefit...
He started off persecuting Christians, before he taxed them!
Paul was persecuted by the Romans and was beheaded. So he wasn't making cash for Rome. The RCC wasn't really organized until about 300 years later under Constantine.