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Four US states where women can't get divorced if they're pregnant - even in dangerous circumstances Story by Falyn Stempler & Rudi Kinsella • 3h • 3 min read

  
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By:   Falyn Stempler & Rudi Kinsella

Four US states where women can't get divorced if they're pregnant - even in dangerous circumstances Story by Falyn Stempler & Rudi Kinsella • 3h • 3 min read
"I just want moms in difficult situations to get out if they need to. If we are living in a state where we are forcing women to carry pregnancies to term, then we need to make sure that they have an opportunity to escape a bad situation if they're in one."

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T here are   four states in America where a woman can't get divorced if she's pregnant , even if she's suffering from domestic violence, says The American Pregnancy Association.

Even though couples can start the divorce process, they have to wait until after the baby is born to sort out things like who will look after the child and how much money the other parent has to give to help raise the child.

These states   are Missouri,   Texas , Arizona, and Arkansas. In two of these states Missouri and Texas there are laws that automatically ban abortions in the early stages of pregnancy since Roe v Wade was overturned in June 2022.

Since the Supreme Court made it harder for women to get abortions, there have been some harrowing stories. One woman in Ohio was accused of abusing a corpse after she had a miscarriage in a toilet. Another woman in Texas wasn't allowed to have an emergency abortion by the state Supreme Court after her baby was found to have a rare genetic condition that would probably cause a miscarriage or stillbirth.

But people in power are listening. This month, Missouri State Rep. Ashley Aune put forward a new law to change this and make sure single mums get money to help raise their children.


The Democrat explained she introduced this legislation because the original law, though made with good intentions, needs an update to suit "it just doesn't make sense in 2024."

She said: "I just want moms in difficult situations to get out if they need to. If we are living in a state where we are forcing women to carry pregnancies to term, then we need to make sure that they have an opportunity to escape a bad situation if they're in one."

Adding: "This is something that was brought to me by folks in my community who shared that it was a huge problem."

Election strategists expect debates on abortion and bodily autonomy to emerge as key election issues following their impact on off-year elections, like Ohio introducing special laws to protect abortion rights.

In a committee meeting earlier this month, Aune listened to the stirring tale of a woman trapped in an abusive situation while pregnant.


"Not only was she being physically and emotionally abused but there was reproduction coercion used," reported Aune. "When she found out she was pregnant and asked a lawyer if she could get a divorce, she was essentially told no."

"It was so demoralizing for her to hear that. She felt she had no options."

A report from Missouri's Department of Health and Senior Services found that nearly 5% of women between 2007-2014 were abused either before or during pregnancy. That equates to about 500 women out of the 10,098 women surveyed.

Similarly, a study from the Journal of Women's Health released a study in 2015 that 3%-9% of women experience abuse during pregnancy, showing that low-income, predominantly single women were particularly vulnerable to intimate partner violence during that period of time.

It found that in addition to compromising the mother's health, increasing her risk of insufficient or inconsistent prenatal care, poor nutrition, inadequate weight gain, substance use and increased prevalence of depression, it also led to increase risk of low birth weight, preterm birth, small for gestational age maternal and neonatal death.



"This legislation could literally save lives," said Matthew Huffman who is affiliated with the Missouri Coalition Against Domestic and Sexual Violence. "For abusive partners they might be using reproductive coercion and control to keep their partner pregnant so that they can't ever actually be granted a divorce."

Echoing the study, he added: "Maternal exposure to domestic violence is associated with increased risk of low birth weight, pre-term birth, and infants exposed to it can show signs of trauma."

Aune acknowledged her doubt about the bill making it to Governor Mike Parson's desk during this session. Nonetheless, local advocacy groups have still labelled it as a "top priority."


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Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
1  seeder  Trout Giggles    10 months ago

Is this 2024 or 1824?

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
1.1  devangelical  replied to  Trout Giggles @1    10 months ago

thumper handmaid's tale bullshit...

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
1.1.1  devangelical  replied to  devangelical @1.1    10 months ago

gee, I hope I'm not made to suffer for the stupidity of other males...

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
1.1.2  devangelical  replied to  devangelical @1.1.1    10 months ago

its more fun watching evangelical males suffer...

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
1.1.3  devangelical  replied to  devangelical @1.1.2    10 months ago

especially if you're the reason...

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
1.1.4  devangelical  replied to  devangelical @1.1.3    10 months ago

fucking over thumpers is good clean fun...

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
1.1.5  devangelical  replied to  devangelical @1.1.4    10 months ago

thoughts and prayers...

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
1.2  Ozzwald  replied to  Trout Giggles @1    10 months ago

Is this 2024 or 1824?

When Trumpers say that they want to "Make America Great Again", by "Again" they mean the 1800's.  Back before they had to deal with Civil Rights, women voting, and justice from the barrel of their gun.

 
 
 
goose is back
Junior Guide
1.2.1  goose is back  replied to  Ozzwald @1.2    10 months ago
When Trumpers say that they want to "Make America Great Again", 

The law in Missouri was from 1973, I believe Trump was a democrat at that time. 

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
1.2.2  cjcold  replied to  goose is back @1.2.1    10 months ago

Seriously doubt that Trump was ever a liberal.

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
1.2.3  MrFrost  replied to  goose is back @1.2.1    10 months ago
I believe Trump was a democrat at that time. 

Trump has never been a democrat. 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Senior Guide
1.2.4  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  MrFrost @1.2.3    10 months ago

From August 2001, to September 2009, Trump registered his party affiliation as Democratic. I

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
1.2.5  devangelical  replied to  MrFrost @1.2.3    10 months ago

it doesn't matter what that sack of shit called himself in the past. he was lying then too...

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Senior Guide
1.2.6  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  MrFrost @1.2.3    10 months ago

Before 2011, Trump donated much more to Dem Campaigns than Repub including:

Charlie Rangel

Chuck Schumer

Hillary Clinton 

Harry Reid

John Kerry

Carlos Danger

Joe Biden

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
1.2.7  cjcold  replied to  devangelical @1.2.5    10 months ago

Trump has been a far-right wing compulsive liar his whole life.

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Expert
1.2.8  Krishna  replied to  Ozzwald @1.2    10 months ago
When Trumpers say that they want to "Make America Great Again", by "Again" they mean the 1800's.  Back before they had to deal with Civil Rights, women voting, and justice from the barrel of their gun.

Here's a humorous video that directly addresses the question:

When Was America Great?

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
1.3  devangelical  replied to  Trout Giggles @1    10 months ago

those same states are probably on the list of states that don't enforce child support judgements too...

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
1.3.1  seeder  Trout Giggles  replied to  devangelical @1.3    10 months ago

I think Arkansas has a poor track record of child support enforcement

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
1.3.2  Ozzwald  replied to  devangelical @1.3    10 months ago
those same states are probably on the list of states that don't enforce child support judgements too..

Isn't failing to support a child once born a requirement of a "pro-life" state???

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
1.3.3  devangelical  replied to  Ozzwald @1.3.2    10 months ago

they don't give a fuck about children after the umbilical cord is cut...

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
1.3.4  seeder  Trout Giggles  replied to  Ozzwald @1.3.2    10 months ago

pphhhffftttt.............

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
1.3.5  JBB  replied to  Trout Giggles @1.3.4    10 months ago

A 5th grader in Oklahoma turned up 7 month pregnant "convenient euphemism" with her own father's child and grandchild. As she was ineligible for an abortion under Oklahoma laws, the Oklahoma courts let the him and his wife keep both of them!

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
1.3.6  seeder  Trout Giggles  replied to  JBB @1.3.5    10 months ago

ewww

The man should be in prison for incest and raping a child

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
1.3.7  JBB  replied to  Trout Giggles @1.3.6    10 months ago

He didn't even get fired...

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
1.3.8  seeder  Trout Giggles  replied to  JBB @1.3.7    10 months ago

Oklahoma justice...

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
1.3.9  devangelical  replied to  Trout Giggles @1.3.8    10 months ago

maga family values...

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
1.3.11  Kavika   replied to  devangelical @1.3.3    10 months ago

SOP for the right.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
1.3.12  devangelical  replied to  Trout Giggles @1.3.1    10 months ago
I think Arkansas has a poor track record

... on pretty much everything, but hey, look at the bright side. at least your major cities aren't plagued by sausage sucking, mackerel snapping, maga rentboys with trump's mushroom dick hanging out of their pizza pie holes...

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Expert
1.3.13  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  JBB @1.3.5    10 months ago

'Lil Abner come to life - rednecks galore, singing "I'm My Own Grandpa".  

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
1.3.14  seeder  Trout Giggles  replied to  devangelical @1.3.12    10 months ago

We have a decent population of Catholics in Little Rock

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
1.3.15  devangelical  replied to  Trout Giggles @1.3.14    10 months ago

I'm talking about those whose retirement parties take place on the sidewalk between the limo and the restaurant.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
1.3.16  seeder  Trout Giggles  replied to  devangelical @1.3.15    10 months ago

Call me slow on the uptake today

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
1.3.17  devangelical  replied to  Trout Giggles @1.3.16    10 months ago

fuck it, it's friday.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
1.3.18  seeder  Trout Giggles  replied to  devangelical @1.3.17    10 months ago

I actually had to convince myself of that this morning

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
1.3.19  devangelical  replied to  Trout Giggles @1.3.18    10 months ago

I hear that. my weekly pill holder got out of sync somehow. oh well, another 1 day extension on a 90 day script.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
1.3.20  devangelical  replied to  devangelical @1.3.19    10 months ago

that's my current version of living dangerously...

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
1.3.21  devangelical  replied to  devangelical @1.3.20    10 months ago

cheap thrills.

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
1.3.22  cjcold  replied to  devangelical @1.3.12    10 months ago

The last good thing to come out of Little Rock Arkansas was Clyde Clifford From KAAY Beaker Street from 66 to 72. We used to park on a hill and put tin foil on the antennae just to get a clear AM signal from NE Kansas.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
1.3.23  devangelical  replied to  cjcold @1.3.22    10 months ago

we'd drive up behind boulder or up on lookout, and if the atmospherics were right, we could get beaker st. 70-72.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
1.4  CB  replied to  Trout Giggles @1    10 months ago

It's 2024 and we should insist it be different from 1824 and stand on its own two feet!

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Expert
1.5  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Trout Giggles @1    10 months ago

More attempts to throw America back into the Middle Ages, and the beat goes on and on and on.

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
1.5.1  cjcold  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.5    10 months ago

Don't dis Sonny and Cher! I knew them. Went to Sonny's funeral. Knew Greg as well. Jammed with Chuck Leavell at Ebbets Field in Denver. It was very incestuous in the biz back then.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
1.5.2  devangelical  replied to  cjcold @1.5.1    10 months ago

the A&R guy from WEA used to give me free tickets to ebbets field mid-70's when I worked at a record dist.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
2  Kavika     10 months ago

<<<<<<< Rushing back to the 18th Century.

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
Professor Silent
2.1  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  Kavika @2    10 months ago

I was going to ask, are these laws remenents of old-fashioned "blue laws" ?

When I was growing up in the north east,they were still in effect even in the 1970s.

All I have to say to these states is , wake up , it's the 21st century...

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
2.1.1  seeder  Trout Giggles  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @2.1    10 months ago

I think they may be. But it wasn't all that long ago that a woman couldn't even open a bank account w/o her husband's signature

 
 
 
George
Junior Expert
2.1.2  George  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @2.1    10 months ago

I think they were mainly designed to not bastardize children, the bottom line is in 2024 if a man lays hands on his wife all she has to do is get him arrested for spousal abuse, even in Arkansas that is frowned upon.

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
Professor Silent
2.1.3  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  Trout Giggles @2.1.1    10 months ago

Weirdest law / ordinance I ever saw that's still on the books, was right here in Wyoming.

In one town here it is illegal to have sex, in a walk in meat locker in that one town.

What the hell happened that created a need for such a law?

Someone was just inspecting the sausages, yeah that's it, that's the ticket.....

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
2.1.4  seeder  Trout Giggles  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @2.1.3    10 months ago

LOL!

Let me guess. Two people went into the meat locker to do the nasty and left the door open when they left and ruined all the meat

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
Professor Silent
2.1.5  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  Trout Giggles @2.1.4    10 months ago

I don't know, don't want to know, but we all have seen how those freezer doors close and trap people inside, in that case I can't think of a better way to stay warm.... for at least 3 mins.,

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
2.1.6  seeder  Trout Giggles  replied to  George @2.1.2    10 months ago

Illegitimacy is not the stigma it once was.

My personal opinion is that people should be married first then have children....but that's old-fashioned and outdated, and I stand by that old fashioned and outdated idea

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
2.1.7  seeder  Trout Giggles  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @2.1.5    10 months ago

If I remember correctly those doors all have a push handle on the inside to prevent being locked in.

They're supposed to anyway

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
Professor Silent
2.1.8  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  Trout Giggles @2.1.7    10 months ago

LOL yup and if movies are to be believed, they always don't work at the worst times.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Masters Guide
2.1.9  Right Down the Center  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @2.1.3    10 months ago
In one town here it is illegal to have sex, in a walk in meat locker in that one town. What the hell happened that created a need for such a law?

Sorry, that was me.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
2.1.10  devangelical  replied to  Right Down the Center @2.1.9    10 months ago

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Buzz of the Orient
Professor Expert
2.1.11  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @2.1.3    10 months ago
"What the hell happened that created a need for such a law?"

Maybe some guy was caught "doing it" to a frozen cow carcass.

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
2.1.12  cjcold  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @2.1    10 months ago

Kansas blue laws didn't end until 87. 

We subverted them for many years before then.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
3  Kavika     10 months ago

The guy just replaced viagra since his woody is frozen in time and space.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
3.1  devangelical  replied to  Kavika @3    10 months ago

he doesn't have the hydraulics to run both shops... 

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
3.1.1  devangelical  replied to  devangelical @3.1    10 months ago

only one battery to operate either the drill or the calculator...

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
3.1.2  devangelical  replied to  devangelical @3.1.1    10 months ago

neither at the same time as the other.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
4  Kavika     10 months ago

I believe that the men that are supporting this should have a bowling ball shoved up their ass and it has to stay there until the divorce is final.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
4.1  devangelical  replied to  Kavika @4    10 months ago

they're probably having trouble finding the underage young republican boys that are able to lift them.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
4.1.1  devangelical  replied to  devangelical @4.1    10 months ago

they should try looking in the boston area...

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
4.1.2  devangelical  replied to  devangelical @4.1.1    10 months ago

... at the off track betting sites for ponies.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
4.1.3  devangelical  replied to  devangelical @4.1.2    10 months ago

... or mario's pasta palace...

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
4.1.4  devangelical  replied to  devangelical @4.1.3    10 months ago

... K of C during friday night fish fry.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
4.1.5  seeder  Trout Giggles  replied to  devangelical @4.1.4    10 months ago

As long as it's in the North East. They won't be frying up catfish

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
4.1.6  devangelical  replied to  Trout Giggles @4.1.5    10 months ago

it took me awhile to catch on after my ex would fix a tray of fish sticks every friday...

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
4.1.7  devangelical  replied to  devangelical @4.1.6    10 months ago

my kids thank me every religious holiday for not subjecting them to any religious indoctrination during childhood.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
4.1.8  devangelical  replied to  devangelical @4.1.7    10 months ago

the LGBTQ members of my extended family are products of the catholic church.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
4.1.9  devangelical  replied to  devangelical @4.1.8    10 months ago

you tell mackerel snappers to drop to their knees enough times, some might not be able to get off them.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
4.1.10  devangelical  replied to  devangelical @4.1.1    10 months ago
they should try looking in the boston area...

yeah!

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
4.1.11  devangelical  replied to  devangelical @4.1.10    10 months ago

outside!

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
4.1.12  devangelical  replied to  Trout Giggles @4.1.5    10 months ago

tartar sauce made from miracle whip...

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Silent
5  charger 383    10 months ago

Does this law apply if the person who caused the woman to become pregnant is not who she is married to?

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
5.1  devangelical  replied to  charger 383 @5    10 months ago

it's one of those "heads I win, tails you lose" laws. if there's religion involved, it's the fault of women.

 
 
 
Veronica
Professor Guide
6  Veronica    10 months ago

Will the divorce be granted if the man seeks it?  

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
6.2  devangelical  replied to  Veronica @6    10 months ago

only if he's a member in good standing with the cult.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
6.2.1  devangelical  replied to  devangelical @6.2    10 months ago

a 10%er...

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
6.2.2  devangelical  replied to  devangelical @6.2.1    10 months ago

ie: thumper dipshit

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Expert
6.3  sandy-2021492  replied to  Veronica @6    10 months ago

I think this law was intended to prevent abandonment of pregnant women by their husbands.  Keeping pregnant women trapped in abusive marriages was an unintended consequence.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
6.3.1  devangelical  replied to  sandy-2021492 @6.3    10 months ago

rwnj's find it very difficult to legislate without incorporating the stench of religious dogma ...

 
 
 
Veronica
Professor Guide
6.3.2  Veronica  replied to  sandy-2021492 @6.3    10 months ago

Could be, but I recently watched an episode of "Evil Lives Here" where that unattended consequence led to the beating & almost death of the wife (because when she went to get a divorce they made her take a pregnancy test & she was pregnant after he raped her).  Not only her, but the children from her first marriage had been abused - so I really believe it has more to do with controlling women - PERIOD.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Expert
6.3.3  sandy-2021492  replied to  Veronica @6.3.2    10 months ago

I'm not defending the outcome, at all.  Just saying that I think that wasn't the intent of the law.  The best laid plans of mice and men...

They'd have done better to enforce child support payments.  That mitigates the effect of abandonment, without increasing physical risk to mothers and kids.

 
 
 
Veronica
Professor Guide
6.3.4  Veronica  replied to  sandy-2021492 @6.3.3    10 months ago
They'd have done better to enforce child support payments.

I agree with that, totally.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
6.3.5  devangelical  replied to  sandy-2021492 @6.3.3    10 months ago

rwnj's are inept at long term cause and effect thinking...

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
6.3.6  devangelical  replied to  devangelical @6.3.5    10 months ago

we live among constant reminders...

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
6.3.7  devangelical  replied to  devangelical @6.3.6    10 months ago

I blame medicare...

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
6.3.8  devangelical  replied to  devangelical @6.3.7    10 months ago

... for the prolonged suspension of natural selection by the use of chemicals.

 
 

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