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Trump Praises J6 Insurrectionists As 'Warriors'

  
Via:  Gsquared  •  one month ago  •  67 comments

By:   Jonathan Chait (Intelligencer)

Trump Praises J6 Insurrectionists As 'Warriors'
Donald Trump used his Las Vegas rally to praise insurrectionists as 'warriors.' "Those J6 warriors — they were warriors — but they were really, more than anything else, they're victims of what happened," he said.

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Donald Trump has long promised to pardon the members of the mob that stormed the Capitol on January 6, 2021, to overturn the 2020 election results. He routinely describes them as martyrs ("hostages" is his preferred term) and opens rallies with a version of the national anthem performed by insurrectionists who assaulted police officers with weapons.

At his rally in Las Vegas over the weekend, Trump's description of those criminals changed in an important way. He called them "warriors."

"Those J6 warriors — they were warriors — but they were, really, more than anything else, they're victims of what happened," Trump said. "All they were doing is protesting a rigged election. That's what they were doing."

Portraying the insurrectionists as innocent victims is an obvious lie. Portraying them as warriors is more honest, but the candor reveals a confidence that is quite chilling. Trump has inspired the development of a paramilitary wing to his movement. He has goaded their aggressive impulses and rewarded their loyalty.

In a second Trump term, they would be unleashed to commit violence on his behalf, understanding they would enjoy the benefit of his legal protection. This was the idea he was promising in broad daylight.

Until this weekend, Trump's pact with his paramilitary supporters was cloaked in the pretense that they weren't really violent insurrectionists. This was all nonsense. The criminals he praised were among the most violent goons at his coup attempt. The J6 choir, which plays his campaign anthem, is composed of hardened cop-beaters.

Trump is increasingly disinclined to conceal the authoritarian nature of his second term. While friendly reporters have tried in vain to coax him into disavowing his threats of revenge, he continues to reissue them. "Well, revenge does take time, I will say that," Trump said last week, brushing aside Dr. Phil's attempt to get him on message. "And sometimes revenge can be justified, Phil, I have to be honest. Sometimes it can."

The pretense has served its purpose, and Trump apparently now thinks he can stop treating his militarized wing as mere victims. Trump detests victimhood. He adores winners. The ambition he has for the insurrectionists, like all of his movement, is not to be victimized but to dominate.

The Justice Department is one instrument of revenge Trump wishes to use on his enemies. His paramilitaries are another.

This does not mean Trump will necessarily end democracy or unleash mass bloodshed. But those risks are all too high, and the probability he will damage the system, or set the United States into a cycle of violence and retribution, are scary enough to dwarf every other issue in the campaign. Taxes, immigration, or abortion simply don't count when the issue on the table is whether the election will hand supreme executive authority to a vengeance-seeking authoritarian.


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Gsquared
Professor Principal
1  seeder  Gsquared    one month ago

No more "peaceful protestors", FBI provocateurs or antifa plants.  No more "normal tourist visit" to the Capitol. 

According to their Dear Leader, the January 6 insurrectionists are now "warriors", which we already knew.

If he becomes President again, the Coup Plotter in Chief promises to pardon them.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
Professor Participates
1.1  Greg Jones  replied to  Gsquared @1    one month ago

Still obsessing about J6? Most people have pretty much moved on.

Never came close to being an insurrection, but you know that.

A large number of those being punished for simply being there on the Capitol grounds, but not participating in the half ass riot should and hopefully, be pardoned by Trump.

 
 
 
afrayedknot
Junior Quiet
1.1.1  afrayedknot  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1    one month ago

“..,those being punished for simply being there…” 

…conveniently ignoring the why, why, why they were there to begin with…

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
1.1.2  Kavika   replied to  Greg Jones @1.1    one month ago
but not participating in the half ass riot should and hopefully, be pardoned by Trump.

Well, hell yes he pardoned murderers so why not a bunch of scum, more votes for Trump.

 
 
 
Gsquared
Professor Principal
1.1.3  seeder  Gsquared  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1    one month ago
Still obsessing about J6?

Trump is, yes.  The seeded article is about his campaign tirade in Las Vegas over this last weekend.

Most people have pretty much moved on.  

That's why your Dear Leader keeps talking about it.

Never came close to being an insurrection, but you know that.

It was a serious insurrectionary effort by violent Trumpists.  Everyone knows that.

Name one person who was punished for merely "simply" being on the Capitol grounds on January 6.

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
Senior Quiet
1.1.4  Colour Me Free  replied to  afrayedknot @1.1.1    one month ago

…conveniently ignoring the why, why, why they were there to begin with…

I keep being told that the current protesters do not know what they are protesting, do not know why they are camping out, do not know what 'from the river to the sea' means ..etc  If that is indeed true, then it begs the question can it not also be true that there were individuals on January 6 that got swept up in the moment and had no understanding of why they were actually there, just following the crowd ..........?

Peace...

Hi razing -- hope all is well with you

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
1.1.5  Tessylo  replied to  Colour Me Free @1.1.4    one month ago

No one in the Capitol got 'swept up in the moment that day . . . and were just following the crowd. . .

they were there for one reason only

 
 
 
afrayedknot
Junior Quiet
1.1.6  afrayedknot  replied to  Colour Me Free @1.1.4    one month ago

“…can it not also be true that there were individuals on January 6 that got swept up in the moment…”

Of course that could have happened.

I always go back to the lessons we both tried to instill in our boyz…be aware of your environment, take anything you hear with a grain of salt, and always be prepared to take responsibility for your actions. Easy to say, hard to accept when they go astray. 

Perhaps a rather ineloquent example, but I think the standards we hoped to instill in our kiddos could and should apply to us all. But as always, just my thoughts.

Nice to have you out and about, my friend. Hanging in here and hope nothing but the best to you and yours!

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
1.1.7  devangelical  replied to  Kavika @1.1.2    one month ago
Well, hell yes he pardoned murderers so why not a bunch of scum, more votes for Trump.

it's the convicted felon party now and trump needs all their votes...

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
1.1.8  devangelical  replied to  afrayedknot @1.1.1    one month ago

never mind all the other dates and addresses they like to equate that particular day and building to...

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
1.1.9  TᵢG  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1    one month ago
Most people have pretty much moved on.

Just forget about it?   No big deal?   Time lessens the severity?   Forget about general deterrence?

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
Senior Quiet
1.1.10  Colour Me Free  replied to  afrayedknot @1.1.6    one month ago
I always go back to the lessons we both tried to instill in our boyz…be aware of your environment, take anything you hear with a grain of salt, and always be prepared to take responsibility for your actions. Easy to say, hard to accept when they go astray. 

Be prepared to take responsibility for your actions being a key part ...

Perhaps a rather ineloquent example, but I think the standards we hoped to instill in our kiddos could and should apply to us all. But as always, just my thoughts.

I agree that is should apply to us all - yet if the former president is such a skilled manipulator, conman etc etc .. then it only makes sense that some individuals would be unable to fathom the depth to which January 6 would go.  The number of people that actually believe the election was stolen is rather high .... 

I have to check in from time to time and seek out your pearls of wisdom  : )

 
 
 
afrayedknot
Junior Quiet
1.1.11  afrayedknot  replied to  Colour Me Free @1.1.10    one month ago

“The number of people that actually believe the election was stolen is rather high ....”

…unimaginably so, but a fact that everyone needs to accept and be diligent in doing all things possible to continue to ensure the integrity of our elections. Get involved if concerned, be sure to vote, and be adult enough to accept the results and close your ears to those who have a dangerous agenda. 

And thanks for the kind words. 

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Senior Guide
1.1.12  Right Down the Center  replied to  TᵢG @1.1.9    one month ago
Just forget about it? 

Forget about what?

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
Senior Quiet
1.1.13  Colour Me Free  replied to  afrayedknot @1.1.11    one month ago
Get involved if concerned, be sure to vote, and be adult enough to accept the results and close your ears to those who have a dangerous agenda. 

Sadly, for some I am afraid it may be too late for them to trust the process again.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
1.1.14  devangelical  replied to  Colour Me Free @1.1.13    one month ago

survival of the fittest applies equally to the mentally defective and gullible ...

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
1.1.15  Trout Giggles  replied to  Colour Me Free @1.1.4    one month ago
I keep being told that the current protesters do not know what they are protesting, do not know why they are camping out, do not know what 'from the river to the sea' means ..etc  If that is indeed true, then it begs the question can it not also be true that there were individuals on January 6 that got swept up in the moment and had no understanding of why they were actually there, just following the crowd ..........? Peace...

What does your comment have to do with trmp spouting his "warrior" nonsense in Las Vegas this past weekend. I do believe that is the topic of the seed

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
1.1.16  devangelical  replied to  Trout Giggles @1.1.15    one month ago

interference by deflection?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
1.1.17  Trout Giggles  replied to  devangelical @1.1.16    one month ago

quite possibly

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
Senior Quiet
1.1.18  Colour Me Free  replied to  Trout Giggles @1.1.15    one month ago
What does your comment have to do with trmp spouting his "warrior" nonsense in Las Vegas this past weekend. I do believe that is the topic of the seed

Ditto..

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
Senior Quiet
1.1.19  Colour Me Free  replied to  devangelical @1.1.14    one month ago

Those that no longer trust the process will get along just fine...

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
1.1.20  devangelical  replied to  Colour Me Free @1.1.19    one month ago

not in this country.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
1.1.21  CB  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1    one month ago

I bet Donald would not have liked them to scale Trump Tower like that looking for him! But "do' continue with your gaslighting. Keep telling the rest of us how to think about some MAGA's political friends while you damn our political friends to hell daily.

Oh, and tell us more about how Donald distinctly explained to them he wanted a "peaceful" protest.  As, they are his white house guests down the way and represent him, the president of all the people in the country, down at the Capitol. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
1.1.22  Trout Giggles  replied to  Colour Me Free @1.1.18    one month ago

ditto?

I know I was on topic.....you not so much

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
1.1.23  CB  replied to  Colour Me Free @1.1.4    one month ago

It's a fair question. Surely, in every scenario for that day, there are those that do get swept up in the moment. And, once determined through scrutiny and separation from the video footages, many thousands I presume have been let off. However, there is a big difference in being 'sent' to the Capitol to press the case for relief from the VP/Congress and scaling the structure, trespassing (unauthorized entry into official spaces), bringing hidden, unscheduled, and unsanctioned items into a facility known for its pristine and proper state. Plus, we all saw the footage: The V.P. The Speaker, the entirety of house and senate was made unsafe. . . computers and congressional notes were left unsecure in a moment. The disorder was everywhere. 

Back to your question: Yes, the truly innocent, to my knowledge, were not charged and will not be charged. But it highlights one point: Thousands were caught 'red-handed' and that is a whopping lot of people!

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
1.1.24  devangelical  replied to  Trout Giggles @1.1.22    one month ago

meh, close enough for rwnj gov't work...

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
1.1.25  CB  replied to  Colour Me Free @1.1.4    one month ago

Before I move off this. . . . on NT we have been recently discussing a series of evidence and evidence gathering articles. It is important to know that in order to make a proper charge or set of charges, their has to be a or some set of law/s broken, a defendant or group of defendants, and at least one material violation of the rule of law. 

Therefore, on January 6, though there were throngs of people on the Capitol lawn and inside its halls, not all of them were uninvited or unwelcomed on public grounds. Camera footages, witness statements, and 'encounters' will be used to separate the ordinary citizen from those with nefarious, malicious, and felonious intentions that day.

Back to this article. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
1.1.26  Tessylo  replied to  CB @1.1.23    one month ago

I don't think it's a fair question because one has nothing to do with the other

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
1.2  cjcold  replied to  Gsquared @1    one month ago

They came, armed, to overthrow our government.

Life in prison is what they deserve. Just like Trump.

Hopefully, Trump will go to prison for his many crimes.

 
 
 
afrayedknot
Junior Quiet
1.2.1  afrayedknot  replied to  cjcold @1.2    one month ago

“They came, armed, to overthrow our government.”

“A warrior is not a person that carries a gun. The biggest war you ever go through is right between your own ears. It's in your mind. We're all going through a war in our mind, and we have to callus our mind to fight that war and to win that war.” ~ David Goggins

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
1.2.2  cjcold  replied to  afrayedknot @1.2.1    one month ago

David doesn't have my bullet scars.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
1.2.3  devangelical  replied to  cjcold @1.2    one month ago
Life in prison is what they deserve.

I remember what used to happen to traitors, about 70-80+ years ago...

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
Senior Quiet
1.2.4  Colour Me Free  replied to  afrayedknot @1.2.1    one month ago

"There's a bunch of guys that don't like me and I don't give a fuck .. I am a warrior"  

- David Goggins

 
 
 
afrayedknot
Junior Quiet
1.2.5  afrayedknot  replied to  Colour Me Free @1.2.4    one month ago

…touché…I should know to never joust against a master… 

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
Senior Quiet
1.2.6  Colour Me Free  replied to  afrayedknot @1.2.5    one month ago
I should know to never joust against a master… 

I am but a padawan ... that happens to read his quotes   : )

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
1.3  Tessylo  replied to  Gsquared @1    one month ago

During a revenge and retribution 'rally' by the former 'president' convicted felon #34, this past weekend, it stated, one of the few truthful things I think it's ever said, 'I don't care about you.  I just want your vote.'

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
1.3.1  devangelical  replied to  Tessylo @1.3    one month ago
'I don't care about you.  I just want your vote.'

here's another trump golden oldie...

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
1.3.2  Tessylo  replied to  devangelical @1.3.1    one month ago

hang out and vote and then all we're going to say is we love you and we will remember you always

That's how much he loves you all

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Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
1.3.3  Trout Giggles  replied to  devangelical @1.3.1    one month ago

384

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
1.3.4  devangelical  replied to  Trout Giggles @1.3.3    one month ago

more geriatric gibberish for gullible thumper morons to lap up...

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
1.3.5  Tessylo  replied to  devangelical @1.3.4    one month ago

along with their tapioca or jello (semantics right? lol)

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Senior Expert
1.3.6  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Tessylo @1.3.5    one month ago
along with their tapioca or jello

Can't say much for jello but I've like tapioca since I was a kid.  When I need to gain back weight after cancer treatments, I discovered Bubble tea  or boba.  Between that and tapioca I got my weight back with a nutritious and tasty treat.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
1.4  devangelical  replied to  Gsquared @1    one month ago

they were warriors alright, the domestic terrorist kind...

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
2  Kavika     one month ago

And here I thought that they were wandering tourists, and now they are warriors, wow keep the spin going soon they will be saints.

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
2.1  cjcold  replied to  Kavika @2    one month ago

Violent insurrectionist fascists will remain violent insurrectionist fascists.

They brought bo staffs, knives, bear spray, guns and INTENT! Fuck em all!

 
 
 
Gsquared
Professor Principal
2.2  seeder  Gsquared  replied to  Kavika @2    one month ago

Trump is already calling them martyrs so sainthood isn't far behind.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
2.2.1  devangelical  replied to  Gsquared @2.2    one month ago
Trump is already calling them martyrs

yeah, maga martyrs...

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
2.3  devangelical  replied to  Kavika @2    one month ago
soon they will be saints

misinformed and misdirected patriots of fascism...

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
2.4  Trout Giggles  replied to  Kavika @2    one month ago

Next week they'll be super heroes

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
2.4.1  devangelical  replied to  Trout Giggles @2.4    one month ago

... stupid zeros.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
2.4.2  devangelical  replied to  Trout Giggles @2.4    one month ago

tsk, tsk, tsk... 3.5 years ago they were fighting for their maga country, now imprisoned, they're fighting for their virtue...

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Senior Guide
3  Right Down the Center    one month ago

"In a second Trump term, they would be unleashed to commit violence on his behalf, understanding they would enjoy the benefit of his legal protection. This was the idea he was promising in broad daylight."

"This does not mean Trump will necessarily end democracy or unleash mass bloodshed. But those risks are all too high, and the probability he will damage the system, or set the United States into a cycle of violence and retribution, are scary enough to dwarf every other issue in the campaign. Taxes, immigration, or abortion simply don't count when the issue on the table is whether the election will hand supreme executive authority to a vengeance-seeking authoritarian."

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Gsquared
Professor Principal
3.1  seeder  Gsquared  replied to  Right Down the Center @3    one month ago

That looks like some of the people at the Trump rally.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
3.1.1  devangelical  replied to  Gsquared @3.1    one month ago

calcified cranium cult combustion?

 
 
 
afrayedknot
Junior Quiet
3.1.2  afrayedknot  replied to  Gsquared @3.1    one month ago

It is apparent the words, nor the intent, nor the potential consequences no longer matter…the saddest indictment of all. 

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
3.2  devangelical  replied to  Right Down the Center @3    one month ago

it'll be fun watching the weather underground make a comeback ...

 
 
 
Greg Jones
Professor Participates
4  Greg Jones    one month ago
 
 
 
Gsquared
Professor Principal
4.1  seeder  Gsquared  replied to  Greg Jones @4    one month ago

No, she doesn't, and no it wasn't, but we know right wingers are obsessed with trying to blame her. 

Who was it that called his militias and cultists to D.C. on January 6 ("Be there") and promised them "Will be wild"?

Who was it that wanted the security services to stop screening his militias and cultists for firearms because "They're not here to hurt me"?

Who was it that instructed his followers to "walk down to the Capitol"?

Who was it that ordered his militias and cultists about to march on the Capitol to "fight like hell"?

Not Nancy Pelosi!

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
4.1.1  devangelical  replied to  Gsquared @4.1    one month ago

funny how trump's insurrectionist dog whistles seem to fly 50K feet over the heads of his sycophants...

 
 
 
Greg Jones
Professor Participates
4.1.2  Greg Jones  replied to  Gsquared @4.1    one month ago

Trump never told his followers to riot and break into the Capitol building, the facts show that any violence was spontaneous and was carried out by a small core of hot-headed hooligans.

The point being that Pelosi denied requests for extra security being called up. 

Pelosi Has Desperate 'Revisionist' Response to Bombshell J6 Video, Former Capitol Police Chief Wrecks Her – RedState

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
4.1.3  evilone  replied to  Greg Jones @4.1.2    one month ago
Trump never told his followers to riot and break into the Capitol building, the facts show that any violence was spontaneous and was carried out by a small core of hot-headed hooligans.

Almost 500 people have been convicted of pre-meditated violence on that day, but you are saying those who brought bear spray, metal whips, flex cuffs and body armor were there for a tour? The Proud Boys who had weapons stashed in a nearby motel were just some hooligans?

A question... While Trump was watching the violence unfold on TV what do you think was going through his mind when he Tweeted, “Mike Pence didn’t have the courage to do what should have been done.”? Remember this was after people asked Trump to tell these people to stop and go home. 

Sarah Matthews, a former White House deputy press secretary, argued that the tweet gave Mr. Trump’s supporters permission to continue their assault on the U.S. Capitol. “It was essentially him giving the green light to these people,” she said, adding that Mr. Trump’s supporters “truly latch on to every tweet and every word he says.”
 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
4.1.4  devangelical  replied to  evilone @4.1.3    one month ago

the upcoming election would have a completely different landscape if the maga moron militia had gotten their hands on pence...

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
4.1.5  Trout Giggles  replied to  devangelical @4.1.4    one month ago

Do you think they may have harmed Pence?

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
4.1.6  devangelical  replied to  Trout Giggles @4.1.5    one month ago

after they all got amped up by their lord and master? yup ...

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.1.7  Tessylo  replied to  Gsquared @4.1    one month ago

All that violence against Democracy and those defending Democracy - #34 said - 'They're doing this for me"

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.1.8  Tessylo  replied to  evilone @4.1.3    one month ago

'a small core of hot headed hooligans' mind you

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JBB
Professor Principal
5  JBB    one month ago

original

 
 

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