A Star is Born
Many of you have probably already seen it.
I'm afraid even I can't resist the comedy in this tragedy. Obviously Rudy Giuliani didn't do a good job vetting his star witness Ms Melissa Carone ( freelance IT worker for the Dominion Voting Systems ). I think the passion is there but it needed a little moderation. The lesson is that when you overstate your case, you can easily destroy it even if it is built on a truth.
Then again, some say she was drunk? Giuliani wouldn't know before hand?
Others say she is a really democrat operative. I suppose anything is possible when it comes to the left.
This one is destined for SNL.
As for the claims of voter fraud - They just took a huge hit yesterday.
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At some point those claiming fraud will have to admit that it wasn't fraud that turned the 2020 election - it was covid and allowing the democrats to get universal mail-in voting by and/or around State Legislatures.
Have you ever heard of 15 minutes of fame Vic?
Here it is
the clock started ticking about 10 minutes ago
the usual go to excuse when some right wing wack job wanders into the spotlight. sorry, but there's a very large segment on the right that don't need any help looking like fools. face the facts, she's the perfect representative of trumps base that's buying into his conspiracy theory nonsense. of course the right hates mail in voting, because more eligible people vote. I won't bother trying to explain the logistics of funneling millions of voters thru a decreasing number of polling places in a 12 hour time frame in one single day, because it's beyond the grasp of comprehension for most trumpsters. funny how almost every problem the moron in chief is complaining about with this election was created by him and his henchmen in state legislatures where he had the most issues. naturally rudy didn't see any problem with this witness, his mind is gone too.
You mean some people who wouldn't take the time to vote will cast one if offered a mail-in ballot? Yup.
why wait in line for hours? making it easier for voters to exercise their constitutional rights has never been a priority for the right. why is that vic?
So, from your comment, it would seem that you think that eligible voters who voted via a mail-in ballot have, by voting, made themselves ineligible.
Speaking of the Constitution, State legislatures said they had to vote on election day. How did democrats get around that?
I'm saying that, according to the Constitution, only State legislatures get to make election laws in their states - not secretaries of state or election boards or judges.
some people who wouldn't take the time to vote will cast one if offered a mail-in ballot
If it’s okay for the POTUS, then it’s okay for the rest of us. Based on his golf schedule, he clearly had plenty of free time to vote in person.
It doesn't work via your emotions - State legislatures make election law - not partisan hacks or partisan judges or what somebody feels is right.
Why not vote early, whether in person or by mail?
Why wait until election day?
Voting by mail should be reserved for those who truly need it. Examples: The elderly or the military. There are inherent problems with mail in voting. Even democrats used to warn of it being prone to fraud as well as error.
you live in Colorado, what did you do with your ballot after it arrived in the mail?
What do my emotions have to do with anything? All I did was state that Trump votes by mail.
go figure, huh?
you're a few questions behind if you think I'm going to answer any of yours. I'll wait.
Trump would never vote in person. That would require him to co-mingle with people he considers losers (aka Americans).
They shouldn't.
President Trump votes in Palm Beach County - South Florida Sun-Sentinel (sun-sentinel.com)
And BOOM
He said he felt more secure voting in person than with a mail ballot , which is how he voted in two primary elections earlier this year.
Funny how he only is concerned about mail in voting when it’s for an election that he is clearly going to lose, huh? boom.
He works in DC. His residence is in Florida. He voted A B S E N T E E in those primaries not willy nilly mail in. See a difference there? He made his point by voting IN PERSON to bolster his disdain for massive mail in. He could have easily done the same in Florida as an absentee but chose not to.
Well, I'll give him props for that. That's one time he wasn't a YUGE hypocrite
Because it could not have been that the majority of the voters didn't want him
or possibly, a tad concerned with contracting Covid that is predicted to kill 400,000 or so by February. What elderly or immunity deficient individual would not want to mail in a vote, as opposed to waiting hours in potential super spreader zones ...?
That is incredible? Who made that projection?
That figures.
It was even more caused by the lack of any kind of a filter between Trump's ego driven and uninformed brain and his big mouth....and the never ending tweets
You mean he allowed it to be a referendum on his pandemic policy rather than making it a choice election?
After a shaky start, the pandemic response went smoothly under Pence, no thanks to Trump.
Trump talked his way out of being reelected
The democrats were determined to frame a narrative blaming Trump for whatever deaths flowed from the pandemic and they decided on that a long time ago, I'd say as early as the spring. Trump followed the advice of Dr Fauci, who is now Biden's top pandemic advisor. It's not that the President didn't do a good job in defending his record, it was that he never got to make it a choice election. The Biden campaign kept Biden under wraps in complete silence. Trump was left with a wrecked economy, thanks to covid and a death count, thanks to covid and I think you know who gets the blame, deserved or not.
Very well planned & orchestrated by the democrats. The pandemic did the rest.
yeah, all we had to do is stand back and watch trump mismanage the pandemic in both word and deed since he was informed about a year ago. the election was his to lose and he didn't disappoint. his bloated ego blocked him at every turn. too fucking bad.
I'll quote Hanoi Jane one more time: "The pandemic was God's gift to the left!"
Don't you love it? Tell the truth
I'd love it a lot better if that truth translated into targeting a specific demographic in an instant karma kind of thing. that's the truth.
I will let your statement stand there for all to see. You camouflaged it a bit, but I'm sure they heard you loud & clear.
So first you admit "it wasn't fraud" but then you say that somehow "allowing the democrats to get universal mail-in voting" was what cost Trump the election as if having more eligible voters voting by mail was a bad thing or something that should have been prevented. What is so fucking terrible about giving eligible voters more access to voting? What is so wrong with mail in voting if it's not about fraud? Why do Republicans try so hard to keep eligible voters away from voting? Oh, that's right, because the more people who vote the less likely Republicans win elections. Republicans apparently don't think you should have a vote if you're a minority or live in a big city, they seem to believe only those conservative minded folk living in rural America are "real Americans" and try to prevent as many Americans who disagree with them or don't look like them or worship like they do or vote for the candidates they prefer from voting.
then the true believers would have to admit that they watched trump's deranged 46 minute FB rant and hung on every word.
Correct.
What is so fucking terrible about giving eligible voters more access to voting? What is so wrong with mail in voting if it's not about fraud?
I never said mail-in-voting was free of fraud. In the current case it has been difficult/impossible, after the fact, to prove it. Mail-in-voting is in fact, very susceptible to fraud. It is also very much prone to error. In some places if you forget to sign your name, your vote is lost. There is another problem with a lot of the mail-in-voting that took place in places like PA. It was in defiance of state election law. I'll say it again - the Constitution is very specific - State legislatures make state election law!
What is so fucking terrible about giving eligible voters more access to voting? What is so wrong with mail in voting if it's not about fraud?
Why do democrats need questionable voters and votes to win elections?
Don't bother playing your race card. That only works with the feeble minded. Our readers are a bit more sophisticated than democrat bloc voters.
They're not "questionable", there is NO EVIDENCE OF WIDESPREAD VOTE BY MAIL FRAUD not because it's "difficult/impossible" to prove, but because it's not there. Claiming it's "difficult/impossible" to prove is like trying to prove a negative, and yet you want us to just trust conservatives that the fraud must be there simply because they didn't win the election? What a weak argument.
We didn't, but the Republicans caught trying to disenfranchise black eligible voters by, as the court found, targeting them with ":surgical precision" with demographic voter data in hand did. And it's total bullshit to claim it was all about ID's and protecting the vote from fraud, they were canceling early voting, Sunday voting and other voting times they knew were the most likely times black Americans tended to vote. So if some don't think there is an issue with Republicans actively working to prevent minorities from voting then they're fucking idiots who apparently have their heads shoved so far up their own asses they're not able to read the many court documents proving it.
Any vote that is not physically present at a polling place is questionable.
We didn't
Yes, you did, as usual.
Your argument makes no sense alongside the reality that Republicans across the board go out of their way to reduce the number of polling locations.
As a civil engineer, one of my biggest gripes is with the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) - not because I am prejudiced against the disabled, but because of how it was written (by idiots) to literally be impossible to achieve in a great percentage of situations. When I heard that Republicans were actually using it to justify closing polling locations I was furious. I can point out actual ADA noncompliance in virtually any location in this country, and government officials I have addressed this with don’t even deny it. It is one of the most poorly written pieces of federal legislation ever created, which makes it a perfect tool for sleazy politicians to bend towards their sleazy will.
It does if one is literate.
go out of their way to reduce the number of polling locations.
I didn't said anything about polling locations.
I said anything about polling locations.
Of course you didn’t. That reality would be far too inconvenient for your narrative.
It's not a narrative - it's fact. Even Barak Obama warned about the dangers of mail-in-voting:
You keep glossing over the simple point that all credibility is lost when the left hand is furiously waving over the supposed dangers of mail in voting, while the right hand is actively and purposefully reducing access to voting in person.
The only one glossing over things is you! You can't seem to answer any of the points I've made, so instead you keep coming back with all this other irrelevant trivia. Endlessly responding with sound bites does not win the argument and it looks bad. Our resident wordsmith should have been an example for you.
There is a hierarchy of relevance. Your points fall well beneath the threshold of worthy talking points when the broader reality of Republican obstructionism is waved away as insignificant.
The subject was mail-in-voting. You never got by the fact that State legislatures make election law and that law was circumvented.
You failed, yet you keep commenting. That seems to mean something to a few people around here.
Trump keeps saying he wants the election people in Georgia to check the signatures on the mail in votes.
They already did that when they first processed them.
This entire "fraud" thing has been a fraud.
No surprise there, as Trump is a known fraudster. Even before this. Just how damn dumb are some Trump supporters ? He has taken in 200 million dollars in donations since the election. The vast majority of that money will be used to keep Trump living in style.
Put the fraud claims aside. I'm much more interested in what was done to get mail-in voting in certain states.
The Elections Clause of the United States Constitution states: “ The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of chusing Senators.”
If you put the fraud claims aside, what the fuck is your issue with mail-in-voting? Why is giving more eligible Americans easy access to voting, especially during a pandemic where standing in line with thousands of others could cost us American lives, a bad thing?
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I've stated it quite a few times now. I guess you'll just have to go back and read it.
Why is giving more eligible Americans easy access to voting, especially during a pandemic where standing in line with thousands of others could cost us American lives, a bad thing?
For the fourth time - Only State legislatures make state election laws!
Ask our friends across the pond................in France as well as MANY others. They banned mail in due to, wait for it, FRAUD.
PA Poll workers!