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Sorting fact from fiction

  
By:  Vic Eldred  •  5 years ago  •  45 comments


Sorting fact from fiction
"There are some very irresponsible claims going around that in the end couldn't be proven because they weren't true, but there are also some claims that may be true, and it's worth knowing

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Last night America's number 1 cable news show (averaging more than 3 million viewers daily) accomplished what it does best - It raised legitimate questions about important issues. The man asking the questions also had some new evidence from Fulton County, Georgia. Before I continue, I want to remind everyone that Tucker Carlson is not like Sean Hannity in that he didn't bet his career on Donald Trump winning the 2016 election. At that time Bill O'Reilly was in the big chair. Back then Carlson was still of the opinion that Trump was "the most repulsive person on the planet."   So, we can dispense with the smearing on motives.

In 2020 Joe Biden won the state of Georgia by fewer than 13,000 votes. Carlson's position is that people need the facts to maintain faith in elections and people are losing faith. So what are the facts as we know them?

The official version:

In May Robb Pitts, the Chairman of Fulton County Board of Commissioners, explained that it was not necessary to look at the ballots, in fact it was ridiculous even to ask to look at the ballots because there had already been plenty of recounts and all the recounts reached the same conclusion. He went on CNN to say that "the Georgia election was open, fair and transparent." That is the argument that Fulton County has used to keep the ballots locked away in a warehouse.


Today's reality:

Carlson says that it now appears that there was meaningful fraud in Fulton County Georgia last November:

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At least 36 batches of ballots from the November election were double counted in the November election in Fulton County. That is a total of more than 4,000 votes. The numbers come from a group called "Voter GA" which is a group that sued to get a look at those ballots.

https://georgiastarnews.com/2021/03/16/georgia-judge-gives-voter-ga-the-right-to-inspect-fulton-county-election-ballots/

What was the tally on the double counted  ballots?  Answer: 3,300 for Biden and 860 for Trump.

The left of center "Atlanta Journal-Constitution also had a look at those ballots and concluded that they were duplicates

https://www.ajc.com/politics/some-ballots-initially-double-counted-in-fulton-before-recount/GY4FTEEI6REIJN3SDKIDNIOYV4/

Though Fulton County resisted for months "Voter GA" finally got a hold of the tally sheets.
Here is what they found (The Vortega Audit):

Seven falsified audit tally sheets containing fabricated vote totals...For example a batch containing 59 actual ballot images for Joe Biden, 42 for Donald Trump: was reported as 100 for Biden and 0 for Trump.

The seven batches of ballot images with 554 votes for Joe Biden and 140 votes for Donald Trump and 11 votes for Joe Jorgenson had tally sheets in the audit falsified to show 850 votes for Biden and 0 votes for Trump and 0 votes for Jorgenson.

The audit found other irregularities as well. Over 200 Fulton County mail-in ballot images containing votes were not included in the hand count audit results for the November election.

https://nationalfile.com/breaking-voterga-finds-thousands-of-fraudulent-biden-votes-in-georgia-has-photo-evidence-of-falsified-tally-sheets/

https://voterga.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/Press-Release-New-Evidence-Reveals-Georgia-Audit-Fraud-and-Massive-Errors.pdf

https://www.worldtribune.com/election-integrity-group-finds-provable-fraud-in-audit-of-ballot-images-in-fulton-county-georgia/

Then of course we had the whistleblower who reported on the mail-in ballots which had no crease (in other words unfolded). Those ballots clearly had never been inside an envelope.

https://www.patriotproject.com/ga-witnesses-offer-affidavits-pristine-mail-ballots-tables-biden-votes-none-trump/

An elections expert named Mark Davis analyzed data from the Post Office. He found that nearly 35,000 Georgia voters moved out of their county of residence more than a month prior to the election. That meant they were ineligible to vote - yet they did!

https://trendingpolitics.com/breaking-georgia-election-investigators-find-enough-illegal-votes-to-potentially-tip-2020-race-knab/



"Without answers to legitimate questions democracy dies" ......Tucker Carlson.



The Georgia election was close. Every vote mattered.


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Vic Eldred
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1  author  Vic Eldred    5 years ago

So much to be learned from the 2020 election.

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FortunateSon
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1.1  FortunateSon  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    5 years ago

GA and AZ also

So much for the left's assertion of *honest elections

The big lie is that joe won.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2  JohnRussell    5 years ago

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[DELETED] They have alleged organized vote stealing by Democrats in Arizona, and in Pennsylvania , and in Michigan and in Georgia. That spans the whole freaking country folks. We are supposed to believe that thousands of people across numerous states and geographical regions decided to risk jail time and professional disgrace by conspiring to cheat Trump out of what was rightfully his. 

It is a ridiculous insult to the intelligence of the American people, but it is also what Trumpism has done to this country beginning with his birtherism crusade a decade ago. 

Imagine that, the greatest country in the history of the world has lowered itself into mental confusion and idiotic conspiracy theories on behalf of a known pathological liar, crook, bigot, moron and cheat. 

No wonder Putin is laughing every day. 

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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3  Hal A. Lujah    5 years ago

Carlson was still of the opinion that Trump was "the most repulsive person on the planet."

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Greg Jones
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4  Greg Jones    5 years ago

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Kavika
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4.1  Kavika   replied to  Greg Jones @4    5 years ago

So far the only fraud was on the part of the republicans.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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4.1.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Kavika @4.1    5 years ago

Didn't read the article?

 
 
 
Kavika
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4.1.2  Kavika   replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @4.1.1    5 years ago
Didn't read the article?

Sure and you can notify me when any of it's proven in a court of law. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.1.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Kavika @4.1.2    5 years ago
Sure did you can notify me when any of it's proven in a court of law. 

You don't accept validated evidence unless it goes to a court?  

How did Robb Pitts put it?

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Very strange

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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4.1.4  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Kavika @4.1.2    5 years ago

And let me know when only Republicans are the fraud cases found.

 
 
 
Kavika
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4.1.5  Kavika   replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.3    5 years ago

The Republicans took over 60 cases to court and lost them all. Feel free to take these so-called fraud cases up with the court.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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4.1.6  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Kavika @4.1.5    5 years ago
The Republicans took over 60 cases to court and lost them all.

So how does that prove your above statement?

So far the only fraud was on the part of the republicans.
 
 
 
Kavika
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4.1.7  Kavika   replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @4.1.6    5 years ago

You could disprove it if you so chose.

The two proven case that I'm aware of is a republican guy in PA that voted for his dead mother and another republican guy that voted for, I believe his dead wife. 

There has been no proven massive voter fraud that would overturn the election results in any of the states the republicans are whining about. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.1.8  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Kavika @4.1.5    5 years ago
The Republicans took over 60 cases to court and lost them all.

On Fulton county?  What do those cases have to do with Fulton County?

While your at tell us about that fake watermain leak that got honest human beings out of the vote count room?

Or why nobody wanted to hear from the whistleblowers?

 
 
 
Kavika
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4.1.9  Kavika   replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.8    5 years ago
On Fulton county?  What do those cases have to do with Fulton County?

Nope across the US and it leads to the conclusion that the republicans that filed the suits are fucking morons and should really learn a lot more about the law.

Keep on spinning, Vic.

 
 
 
devangelical
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4.1.10  devangelical  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @4.1.4    5 years ago

shortly after 11/3/2020. quite a few dead republicans voting.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.2  JohnRussell  replied to  Greg Jones @4    5 years ago

Greg, let's recount the votes in every state Trump won. 

The craziest thing about all of this is the right wing nut jobs belief that Trump had votes stolen from him literally all over the country, but Biden had zero stolen from him. It is even crazier considering that Trumpworld is mainly populated with known nutjobs, habitual liars , and cheats. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.2.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @4.2    5 years ago
Greg, let's recount the votes in every state Trump won. 

Don't bother trying to derail the article. The article is about the Georgia election. It's not about Trump's claim or any other state.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5  author  Vic Eldred    5 years ago

The bottom line here is that we have substantial election fraud in Fulton County.

It's time to find and prosecute the perpetrators.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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5.1  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Vic Eldred @5    5 years ago
The bottom line here is that we have substantial election fraud in Fulton County.

That's not what your links above prove. At best it shows some minor irregularities and errors made in a handful of counts. To prove fraud you have to actually prove intent.

'Fraud' is intentional deception to secure unfair or unlawful gain. None of that is proven in any of your links above. A few batches being double counted or a tally sheet that doesn't match does not prove fraud. And why believe the partisan inspections long after the election? Are they not as likely to be lying to prove something they've been claiming without proof for the last 9 months? Why should anyone believe these conservative funded investigations any more than the initial investigations done by bi-partisan State election commissions that showed no widespread voter fraud?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5.1.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @5.1    5 years ago
At best it shows some minor irregularities and errors made in a handful of counts.

Yup, they are going to claim errors. The errors and the false stories always go against Trump.

 
 
 
cjcold
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5.2  cjcold  replied to  Vic Eldred @5    5 years ago

Yep. people who perpetuate the voter fraud hoax should be prosecuted.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5.2.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  cjcold @5.2    5 years ago

The DNC?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6  author  Vic Eldred    5 years ago

In Conclusion:

Now we know that Fulton County had it in for Trump. The question is will Georgia take action and prosectue that county's election board. We heard all the usual failed arguments today. The sources were no good or Trump is no good and last but not least "it was a mistake."

Just like when they told us about those iron clad safeguards the FISA Court had in place to make sure a FISA Warrant request was valid.

Another small chapter of the 2020 election and the year of the pandemic.

 
 

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