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Mueller hearing a 'disaster for Dems'

  
Via:  XXJefferson51  •  7 years ago  •  120 comments


Mueller hearing a 'disaster for Dems'
"So Democrats and others can illegally fabricate a crime, try pinning it on a very innocent President, and when he fights back against this illegal and treasonous attack on our Country, they call It Obstruction?" Trump wrote in one early tweet. "Wrong! Why didn't Robert Mueller investigate the investigators?"

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WASHINGTON (July 24, 2019) — President Donald Trump and his allies believe former Special Counsel Robert Mueller's appearance today before the Democrat-controlled House Judiciary Committee, has turned into a victory for the White House.

The president tweeted four times during the first half of Mueller's testimony, largely quoting Fox News coverage of the hearing, including anchor Chris Wallace saying, "This has been a disaster for the Democrats and a disaster for the reputation of Robert Mueller."

His eldest son, Donald Trump Jr., tweeted repeatedly, noting Mueller's lack of familiarity with some aspects of the investigation and accusing him of playing favorites.

"Funny, Mueller can't understand the Republicans but he can totally understand the Democrats questions. This is a disaster for dems," Trump Jr. wrote.

And the president's lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, blasted Mueller's frequent stumbles and calls for questions to be repeated, tweeting the former FBI director was "being destroyed on credibility, knowledge, competence and numerous 'ahs,' pauses and excuses like "beyond my purview."

Mueller's nationally televised appearance on Capitol Hill was long anticipated as a potential inflection point for the presidency, one that could galvanize more House Democrats toward impeachment or help dispel the investigatory cloud that has shadowed the White House for more than two years. 

Trump in recent days had claimed that he would not watch much, if any, of the back-to-back hearings. But before Mueller even took his seat to testify, the president had tweeted nine times about the investigation, making clear that he had his mind focused squarely on the proceedings unfolding at the other end of Pennsylvania Avenue.

"So Democrats and others can illegally fabricate a crime, try pinning it on a very innocent President, and when he fights back against this illegal and treasonous attack on our Country, they call It Obstruction?" Trump wrote in one early tweet. "Wrong! Why didn't Robert Mueller investigate the investigators?"

In the hearing's opening minutes, short, direct questioning from House Judiciary Committee Chairman Rep. Jerrold Nadler, D-N.Y., yielded soundbite-ready answers from Mueller, who stated that he could not clear the president of any wrongdoing. But under further questioning from members of both parties, Mueller's answers were more slow and hesitant.

Kellyanne Conway, senior counselor to the president, tweeted "Drop the Mic" over a video clip of Mueller reading from his opening statement that "The investigation did not establish that members of the Trump campaign conspired with the Russian government in its election interference activities."

Tim Murtagh, the campaign's communications director, tweeted, "It was never anything but a witch hunt!"


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luther28
Sophomore Silent
3  luther28    7 years ago

Mueller hearing a 'disaster for Dems'

As there was nothing divulged that had not been done so before ( which was fairly much to be expected  as Mr. Mueller had previously stated ), I would call it a draw.

The one thing that can be said as it came directly from Mr. Mueller's mouth, is that our President is in no way exonerated.

At this juncture, the only thing that will settle this will be the 2020 election if we are all not politically exhausted by then.

 
 
 
Ronin2
Professor Quiet
3.1  Ronin2  replied to  luther28 @3    7 years ago
At this juncture, the only thing that will settle this will be the 2020 election if we are all not politically exhausted by then.

I wish I could agree with you; but that is not the way our two party system works.

Mueller did nothing but damage his already tarnished image. Both he and Comey are done; they will never serve in the federal government again. Both sides will see to that.

Both sides are entrenched. The Democrats can try and move forward with impeachment leading to no where; if it gets started at all.  The Republicans in the Senate can start prepping for the findings on the DOJ investigations into the FISA warrants; and corruption hearings on our intelligence organizations.  Which will pull Comey, Mueller, Strzok, Page, Clapper, Brennan, and a host of others in for questioning (possibly the judge or judges that approved the FISA warrants).  Start stocking up on popcorn.

Seriously, I doubt the 2020 elections will solve this. If Trump is reelected the investigations will continue until he is out of office. Both parties will want to see to that.  If the Democrats win they will want to sweep this under the rug as fast as possible. They will want to move past Trump. It is doubtful they will want a Trump trial dominating the headlines for months or possibly years.  No matter what the verdict is.  Though they might not be able to stop the Republican Senate hearings.  Especially if any real corruption is found.

 
 
 
Ronin2
Professor Quiet
3.1.2  Ronin2  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.1    7 years ago

Right.

He was lost; deluded; didn't know what Fusion GPS was; didn't remember what was in his own report; and contradicted himself after one of his baby sitters corrected him- walking back his misstatement on the OLC.

For those of us that didn't appreciate his team of Hillary and Obama sycophants; it looks like he didn't write the report, didn't oversee any of the investigation, couldn't be bothered to even read his own report, and simply delegated everything to the Democratic hounds he had employed.

The left didn't get from him what it most desperately wanted to hear, "Trump is guilty of something, anything."

The only good thing to come out of this is Mueller and Comey- two career Establishment lackeys have been used up. Neither part will want them for anything.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1.6  Vic Eldred  replied to  Release The Kraken @3.1.5    7 years ago

It was sad to watch. In the end even Republicans were folding their cards...

 
 
 
CB
Professor Guide
3.1.9  CB  replied to  Ronin2 @3.1    7 years ago

We can always pray, because in times like this, we sure do need a tie-breaker!

 
 
 
CB
Professor Guide
3.1.10  CB  replied to  Ronin2 @3.1.2    7 years ago

Your whole message is tainted. Mueller was not confused. To their credit the Panels were prepared and able to pepper Mueller with questions. For his part, he was making (damn) sure he did not say: (1) Anything which he did not intend to. (2) Little more than that written in the prepared report. (3) "verboseness," so it would not be ambiguous testimony -in which case, the panel/s would request him to come back.

Oh, and as for the rapid-fire questioning, as members of the panels did not wait for Mueller to spot their quotes, meant that he could not listen and often track phrases simultaneously.

Of course, if you are only listening to criticize the man then you largely (only?) heard what you did. A noun, a verb, and no collusion-conspiracy-obstruction.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Guide
3.1.12  CB  replied to  Have Opinion Will Travel @3.1.11    7 years ago

Rumor-mill. So now it on to the 'whisper campaign'? Jesus wept.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Guide
3.1.14  CB  replied to  Have Opinion Will Travel @3.1.13    7 years ago

No comment. (I will leave that remark between you and Jesus.)

 
 
 
Sunshine
Professor Quiet
3.2  Sunshine  replied to  luther28 @3    7 years ago
is that our President is in no way exonerated.

Exonerated from what?

 
 
 
Ronin2
Professor Quiet
3.2.1  Ronin2  replied to  Sunshine @3.2    7 years ago

They are trying to still figure that part out.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Guide
3.2.2  CB  replied to  Ronin2 @3.2.1    7 years ago

No, you keep swinging and missing the intent of the word. It's like, "collusion" when instead Mueller was looking for criminal conspiracy. But, do continue with this "celebration." How's the champagne? I need a glass.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.5  Vic Eldred  replied to  luther28 @3    7 years ago
As there was nothing divulged that had not been done so before

No, no, no....For us Conservatives who always wondered why the Clinton campaign wasn't looked at for making (though it used buffers) contact with Russian operatives to gain opposition research - we got a good grasp of what happened. Mueller said he didn't know what Fusion GPS was!!! I happen to believe him. All he needed to do was read a newspaper, but everyone could see how senile he had become. Thus, it dosen't take much of a leap to calculate that Mueller's Conservative status was hijacked by all those hard left lawyers who were the nucleus of the investigation. Now we can easily see why the investigation saw fit to investigate Manafort's taxes but not the clear conspiracy of the Clinton campaign. This should have been called the Weissmann investigation. The infamous evil liberal lawyer ran the whole operation!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.5.2  Vic Eldred  replied to  XDm9mm @3.5.1    7 years ago
So, exactly where is the purported obstruction?

It is the private conversations that the President's legal team handed over to Mueller in good faith. You see, what Weissmann is asking the democratic House to do is impeach the President not based on his actions, but on his thoughts.

Mueller couldn't/wouldn't answer the critical question of when he knew the President hadn't colluded/conspired with Russia, thus the follow up question of why the investigation was prolonged until the dems won back the House never got asked. It was Weissmann who concocted volume 2 and kept that thing going until democrats had gavels in their hands so he could give them a list of allegations, which BTW is totally improper.

The ironic part is that Trump was fortunate that Republicans controlled both houses of congress when he was elected. Democrats never had the time to make an impeachment case against him, as frivolous as it would be, it would have given them the audience they no longer have.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
3.5.3  Sean Treacy  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.5    7 years ago

I notice  the MSM never reported that  Mueller wasn't actually running the show and that the investigation was being directed by partisan democrats.

Yet the day after Mueller testimony, the Times reports that Clinton's bleach bit lawyer was running the show. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.5.4  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.5.3    7 years ago

Lol, In one case they resist the obvious, when it benefits them they highlight it. Hail the biased press! Free to be biased!

 
 
 
CB
Professor Guide
3.5.6  CB  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.5    7 years ago
Thus, it dosen't (sic) take much of a leap to calculate that Mueller's Conservative status was hijacked by all those hard left lawyers who were the nucleus of the investigation. Now we can easily see why the investigation saw fit to investigate Manafort's taxes but not the clear conspiracy of the Clinton campaign.

Wow! Well there goes Mueller's conservative 'card' on the wind! I guess Mueller is a CINO now. (Y'all do know the acronym - yes? Many conservatives have 'fallen' away and silently.) Nice working out the remainder of that too!

 
 
 
CB
Professor Guide
3.5.7  CB  replied to  Have Opinion Will Travel @3.5.5    7 years ago

Damn! And here I thought the infinite spigot of lying was going to be a measurable crime against Trump. /s

 
 
 
CB
Professor Guide
3.5.9  CB  replied to  Have Opinion Will Travel @3.5.8    7 years ago
It matters what you lie about grasshopper not how much. However  since you wouldn’t believe he says anything he says is true it really doesn’t matter.

Oh, I believe truth. When Donald Trump tells the truth - I agree! You should agree with truth: we all should! Hooray!

But, this. Contortions! Lord, clear the minds of our members. Whatever the truth is lay it bare for all to see. Amen.

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
3.6  cjcold  replied to  luther28 @3    7 years ago
if we are all not politically exhausted by then.

Pretty sure I am already politically exhausted.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
4  Sean Treacy    7 years ago

 I would call it a draw.

By that standard, I guess if Mueller admitted he was a Russian plant and Nadler, Pelosi resigned it would be a mild win for Trump.  Yesterday, was pretty much the best possible outcome for Trump within the realms of the possible.  I will guaranty you that none of the Democrats on those committees who've spent weeks prepping and holding mock hearings would tell you it was a draw, if they were honest.  For two years, Mueller was set up by the media as the anti-Trump. Yet the hearing showed a oft confused figurehead unaware of the contents of his own report. Nothing could undermine confidence in Mueller's report as thoroughly as Mueller's own testimony did. 

me directly from Mr. Mueller's mouth, is that our President is in no way exonerated.

That Bob Barr already  said that months ago in his initial letter to Congress speaks volumes about little Democrats have to hang their hats on. Remember the Mueller truthers claiming Barr was lying and hiding all sorts of  nefarious evidence with his summary and now, months later, the  Democrats big talking point is just  repeating what Bob Barr told us months ago. 

 
 
 
Sunshine
Professor Quiet
5  Sunshine    7 years ago

Democrats have egg on their face again.  They don't seem to know when shutting up is in their best interest.

Perhaps Dr. Phil can do an intervention...

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Nerm_L
Professor Expert
6  Nerm_L    7 years ago

The Mueller testimony is fading from the news cycle faster than did the Squad.  That should indicate how badly the public Mueller testimony went for Democrats.

The hearings weren't a help for Democrats but did the hearings cause harm?  If Democratic candidates are ignoring the public spectacle of Robert Mueller demanding nothing then that is a clear sign that the Mueller testimony wasn't helpful and may have been harmful.  Democratic candidates don't seem to be trying to spin Robert Mueller's testimony for their political advantage.  The news organizations are trying bury the story as fast as possible to minimize any harm for Democrats.

Meanwhile, Donald Trump is running unopposed for the Presidential campaign.  Democratic candidates are notable for their absence in the news cycle.  I suppose the journalistic brown noses are waiting for their political bosses to tell them who to support.  Do they kill Biden's chances or do they sing Biden's praises?

(Yes, Republicans are blamed for empowering brown shirts.  But those accusations are coming from an army of Democratic brown noses who control the public propaganda machine.)

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.2  Vic Eldred  replied to  Nerm_L @6    7 years ago

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This is how the media is trying to cope!

 
 
 
CB
Professor Guide
8  CB    7 years ago

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Sunshine
Professor Quiet
9  Sunshine    7 years ago
Still can’t let go

Two years, 19 lawyers, 40 FBI agents, conclusion... no conspiracy by Trump yet they hang on to the Russian Hoax propaganda that has been spoon fed to them.  Very scary how the media has a stronghold on American voters.  I hope that most have realized the lies, but as we see here, there are some who still refuse.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Guide
10  CB    7 years ago
Tim Murtagh, the campaign's communications director, tweeted, "It was never anything but a witch hunt!"

This is bizarre. Here we have this fight in our country over what and who shall be the arbiter/s of truth. It is completely foolish to allow this president who is clearly delusional about what this country's history: We are men and women from nearly every 'tribe' on the planet come together to be something great, powerful, and influential in a search for liberty from nearly all forms of oppression  and suppression. I do not see how we can exist together (tensions are climbing) when republicans and conservatives choose to disrespect any other standard of truth outside of the 'movable' standards they seek to install. Somebody needs to start talking about unity in action; and, not just mouthing the words.

 
 

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