Trump is an Enemy of the Constitution
The Donald wants to tear up the Constitution because of his stupid "Big lie".
Trump tweeted that he wants to "throw the Presidential Election Results of 2020 OUT and declare the RIGHTFUL WINNER, or do you have a NEW ELECTION? A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution."
Alex Cannon, Trumps attorney told Trump there was no election fraud. Bill Barr called the fraud allegations "bullshit". Even Ivanka Trump told the then President Trump that there was no fraud.
Liz Cheney (R. Wyoming) the vice chairwoman of the January 6th Committee has condemned former President Trump as “an enemy of the Constitution”:
Liz Cheney seizes on Trump’s call to terminate Constitution
BY ZACH SCHONFELD - 12/04/22 6:32 PM ET
Rep. Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.) on Sunday condemned former President Trump as “an enemy of the Constitution” after he called for terminating the document over unfounded claims of mass electoral fraud in the 2020 presidential election.
“ Donald Trump believes we should terminate ‘all rules, regulations and articles, even those found in the Constitution’ to overturn the 2020 election,” Cheney wrote on Twitter. “That was his view on 1/6 and remains his view today. No honest person can now deny that Trump is an enemy of the Constitution.”
Cheney, a leading Trump critic within the GOP who serves as vice chairwoman of the House Jan. 6 committee, was one of many figures to condemn Trump’s Truth Social post on Saturday arguing the Constitution should be terminated over his long-standing election grievances.
“A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution. Our great ‘Founders’ did not want, and would not condone, False & Fraudulent Elections!” Trump wrote.
The White House and some in the GOP joined Cheney’s condemnations, including Rep. Adam Kinzinger (Ill.), the other Republican on the Jan. 6 panel.
This is insane. Trump hates the constitution ,” Kinzinger tweeted .
Is The Donald actually insane or is he preparing for an insanity defense for his upcoming criminal trials? To be legally insane he will have to prove that he doesn't know right from wrong.
Of course, Trump IS insane (just not in the legal sense). Trump is "tri-polar". He is a pathological liar and a megalomaniacal narcissist. That's the trifecta of neurosis and it may rise to the level of psychosis.
The ‘Shared Psychosis’ of Donald Trump and His Loyalists
Forensic psychiatrist Bandy X. Lee explains the outgoing president’s pathological appeal and how to wean people from it
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By Tanya Lewis on January 11, 2021
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The violent insurrection at the U.S. Capitol Building last week, incited by President Donald Trump, serves as the grimmest moment in one of the darkest chapters in the nation’s history. Yet the rioters’ actions—and Trump’s own role in, and response to, them—come as little surprise to many, particularly those who have been studying the president’s mental fitness and the psychology of his most ardent followers since he took office.
One such person is Bandy X. Lee, a forensic psychiatrist and president of the World Mental Health Coalition.* Lee led a group of psychiatrists, psychologists and other specialists who questioned Trump’s mental fitness for office in a book that she edited called The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump: 27 Psychiatrists and Mental Health Experts Assess a President . In doing so, Lee and her colleagues strongly rejected the American Psychiatric Association’s modification of a 1970s-era guideline , known as the Goldwater rule, that discouraged psychiatrists from giving a professional opinion about public figures who they have not examined in person. “Whenever the Goldwater rule is mentioned, we should refer back to the Declaration of Geneva, which mandates that physicians speak up against destructive governments,” Lee says. “This declaration was created in response to the experience of Nazism.”
Lee recently wrote Profile of a Nation: Trump’s Mind, America’s Soul , a psychological assessment of the president against the backdrop of his supporters and the country as a whole. These insights are now taking on renewed importance as a growing number of current and former leaders call for Trump to be impeached . On January 9 Lee and her colleagues at the World Mental Health Coalition put out a statement calling for Trump’s immediate removal from office.
What attracts people to Trump? What is their animus or driving force?
The reasons are multiple and varied, but in my recent public-service book, Profile of a Nation , I have outlined two major emotional drives: narcissistic symbiosis and shared psychosis. Narcissistic symbiosis refers to the developmental wounds that make the leader-follower relationship magnetically attractive. The leader, hungry for adulation to compensate for an inner lack of self-worth, projects grandiose omnipotence—while the followers, rendered needy by societal stress or developmental injury, yearn for a parental figure. When such wounded individuals are given positions of power, they arouse similar pathology in the population that creates a “lock and key” relationship.
“ Shared psychosis ”—which is also called “ folie à millions ” [“madness for millions”] when occurring at the national level or “induced delusions”—refers to the infectiousness of severe symptoms that goes beyond ordinary group psychology. When a highly symptomatic individual is placed in an influential position, the person’s symptoms can spread through the population through emotional bonds, heightening existing pathologies and inducing delusions, paranoia and propensity for violence—even in previously healthy individuals. The treatment is removal of exposure.
Why does Trump himself seem to gravitate toward violence and destruction?
Destructiveness is a core characteristic of mental pathology, whether directed toward the self or others. First, I wish to clarify that those with mental illness are, as a group, no more dangerous than those without mental illness. When mental pathology is accompanied by criminal-mindedness, however, the combination can make individuals far more dangerous than either alone.
In my textbook on violence , I emphasize the symbolic nature of violence and how it is a life impulse gone awry. Briefly, if one cannot have love, one resorts to respect. And when respect is unavailable, one resorts to fear. Trump is now living through an intolerable loss of respect: rejection by a nation in his election defeat. Violence helps compensate for feelings of powerlessness, inadequacy and lack of real productivity.
Do you think Trump is truly exhibiting delusional or psychotic behavior? Or is he simply behaving like an autocrat making a bald-faced attempt to hold onto his power?
I believe it is both. He is certainly of an autocratic disposition because his extreme narcissism does not allow for equality with other human beings, as democracy requires. Psychiatrists generally assess delusions through personal examination, but there is other evidence of their likelihood. First, delusions are more infectious than strategic lies, and so we see, from their sheer spread, that Trump likely truly believes them. Second, his emotional fragility, manifested in extreme intolerance of realities that do not fit his wishful view of the world, predispose him to psychotic spirals. Third, his public record includes numerous hours of interviews and interactions with other people—such as the hour-long one with the Georgia secretary of state—that very nearly confirm delusion, as my colleague and I discovered in a systematic analysis .
Where does the hatred some of his supporters display come from? And what can we do to promote healing?
In Profile of a Nation, I outline the many causes that create his followership. But there is important psychological injury that arises from relative—not absolute—socioeconomic deprivation. Yes, there is great injury, anger and redirectable energy for hatred, which Trump harnessed and stoked for his manipulation and use. The emotional bonds he has created facilitate shared psychosis at a massive scale. It is a natural consequence of the conditions we have set up. For healing, I usually recommend three steps: (1) Removal of the offending agent (the influential person with severe symptoms). (2) Dismantling systems of thought control—common in advertising but now also heavily adopted by politics. And (3) fixing the socioeconomic conditions that give rise to poor collective mental health in the first place.
What do you predict he will do after his presidency?
I again emphasize in Profile of a Nation that we should consider the president, his followers and the nation as an ecology, not in isolation. Hence, what he does after this presidency depends a great deal on us. This is the reason I frantically wrote the book over the summer: we require active intervention to stop him from achieving any number of destructive outcomes for the nation, including the establishment of a shadow presidency. He will have no limit, which is why I have actively advocated for removal and accountability, including prosecution. We need to remember that he is more a follower than a leader, and we need to place constraints from the outside when he cannot place them from within.
What do you think will happen to his supporters?
If we handle the situation appropriately, there will be a lot of disillusionment and trauma. And this is all right—they are healthy reactions to an abnormal situation. We must provide emotional support for healing, and this includes societal support, such as sources of belonging and dignity. Cult members and victims of abuse are often emotionally bonded to the relationship, unable to see the harm that is being done to them. After a while, the magnitude of the deception conspires with their own psychological protections against pain and disappointment. This causes them to avoid seeing the truth. And the situation with Trump supporters is very similar. The danger is that another pathological figure will come around and entice them with a false “solution” that is really a harnessing of this resistance.
How can we avert future insurrection attempts or acts of violence?
Violence is the end product of a long process, so prevention is key. Structural violence, or inequality, is the most potent stimulant of behavioral violence. And reducing inequality in all forms—economic, racial and gender—will help toward preventing violence. For prevention to be effective, knowledge and in-depth understanding cannot be overlooked—so we can anticipate what is coming, much like the pandemic. The silencing of mental health professionals during the Trump era, mainly through a politically driven distortion of an ethical guideline, was catastrophic, in my view, in the nation’s failure to understand, predict and prevent the dangers of this presidency.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-shared-psychosis-of-donald-trump-and-his-loyalists/
I predict that many books will be written about The Donald's mental illness. His niece, Mary Trump, is a Ph. D. psychologist who has observed The Donald's behavior for decades, has already written a book. Please read her book: TOO MUCH and NEVER ENOUGH (How My Family Created the World's Most Dangerous Man)
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It has always been obvious that Trump is mentally disturbed. Obvious. But because his major malfunction is malignant narcissism , a disease state that is actually admired by a subset of human beings , Trump's profound mental illness has been largely overlooked.
You are 100% right.
Donald Trump is mentally and emotionally unfit to execute the duties of President.
I've read Mary Trump's book, and it is enlightening. trump has never had an ounce of empathy, has never shown any self-awareness, has always been vindictive and has eternally been insecure. I mean, you have to be one fucked up person to throw away any self-respect by walking away and conceding the election. He could have had somewhat of a legacy. Look what he's done to himself. Look what he's done to his family. Because of his ego, the Trump family name is forever tainted. His behavior has been so egregious, so entitled, that his cult members, the same cult members who were horrified First Lady Obama wore a sleeveless dress, didn't give one iota of a shit that his wife, the ex-First Lady of the U.S., posed for nude girl-on-girl pictures. People actually tweeted "finally getting a classy First Lady in the White House." Not only does the Emperor have no clothes, neither did the Empress.
I am still amazed, and it makes me laugh every time at the weakness of it all, at the hypocrisy of the current right. I said in 2016 that trump would totally fuck up the republican party. Now he's tired of hiding his bigotry. He's pandering to the racist base. He's still crying about 2020. He's now a pox on the party.
I guess it's all a part of owning the libs.
I would say he sold his soul, but after reading about his douchebaggery, I realize there was never anything to sell.
He does not have a soul. He is a man inhabiting a void in a vacuum.
HA!
That is one IGNORAMUS "MAD man"!
He is the enemy to all things decent and sane and normal and . . .
Constitutional and American and....
Unfortunately he started a certain kind of politician.
Luckily most of them didn't win...
trump crossed the point of no return on election night of 11/20, but it's still amazing and terrifying that his diehard base will still support him. even those that swore an oath to defend the constitution against people just like him.
I think some of them have moved their hero worship to musk.
Someone needs to tell donald that musk is taking his thunder.
Seeing those two narcissists go after each other would be comedy...
Sometimes it's like watching a Greek dramedy. It's all so dark, but I can't help but laugh to see what all this has become. It's like a witches brew:
Double, double toil and trouble;
Fire burn and caldron bubble.
Fillet of a trumpy snake,
In the caldron boil and bake;
Eye of Newt and toe of Ye,
Wool of Sheep Milo and tongue of Hannity,
Fuentes' fork and blind-worm's sting,
Bannon's leg and Jones' wing,
For a charm of powerful trouble,
Like a hell-broth boil and bubble.
Double, double toil and trouble;
Fire burn and caldron bubble.
Cool it with a baboon trump's blood,
Then the charm is firm and good.
My apologies to Macbeth.
I suspect Trump has been mentally ill for quite some time.
Renowned psychologist Dan P. McAdams examines the central personality traits, personal values and motives, and the interpersonal and cultural factors that together have shaped Trump's psychological makeup, with an emphasis on the strangeness of the case-that is, how Trump again and again defies psychological expectations regarding what it means to be a human being. The book's central thesis is that Donald Trump is the episodic man.
There is nothing resembling a decenr, much less a human being, regarding you know who
I don't usually do vote this type of thing up, but Donald Trump has gotten people killed and is trying his damnedest to get more to commit literal suicide on his behalf! So yes, this is 'easy' for me to mock him!
Trump literally said that he wants to do away with the 2nd Amendment...(along with the entire US Constitution). Pretty sure we won't be hearing from the Nutters on this thread.
I'll take preparing for an insanity defense for 200 Alex
It probably won't work.
Some jurisdictions require the evaluation to address the defendant's ability to control their behavior at the time of the offense (the volitional limb). A defendant claiming the defense is pleading " not guilty by reason of insanity " ( NGRI ) or " guilty but insane or mentally ill " in some jurisdictions which, if successful, may result in the defendant being committed to a psychiatric facility for an indeterminate period.
I've said this before. If (and that is a big IF) 45 is indicted for and charged with any of his accused crimes, he should immediately be taken into custody and remanded, for no less than 10 days, for a complete physical, mental and emotional evaluation to determine his fitness to stand the rigors of a prolonged trial.
he should be sitting in a cell until he produces all the documents he left the white house with.
I agree. BUT it's that "innocent until proven guilty" thing. (Believe it or not this principle is not a stated "right" in the Constitution)
Yes.
anyone else in possession of TS/SCI documents outside of their facility to view them goes to jail to await trial.
Did Hillary?
She had them on an unauthorized private server. But we aren't supposed to remember things like that.
You apparently hold that Hillary was wrong to use a private server for government business (which she was).
But you refuse to acknowledge that Trump was wrong to hold TS/SCI documents in his home.
Yep.
Trump will have his day(s) in court.
I can't wait.
... trump's potential for at least 5 new idiot-supporter online shakedown scams looks promising. if he hurries...
trump 20-24 years...
did she what? provide a not-even-close false equivalence to be flushed into the rwnj propaganda troughs of the feeding superfluous intellects, only to be swallowed again after every regurgitation? does some of the quart low in the brainpan bunch want to use hilary as trading material for their hero's crimes, the crimes they say he hasn't been proven guilty of... yet? the crimes that he couldn't have committed, because he was the president?
wasn't using a private server still legal at the time? wasn't there a number of republicans in congress vilifying her that also had private servers? didn't the law change after she left office? weren't most of those alleged documents classified after the fact? were any of them designated TS/SCI? SoS has the clearance to create those documents, view those documents, and handle/deliver those documents, while in office.
here's a false equivalence for you, where would you think america's most secret documents/info are more easily attained by someone with unamerican intentions? a private server or in the top drawer of an office desk somewhere in mar-a-lardo on the other side of a door?
Do you not remember Hillary emailing SAP level information on her private server?
Sad!
asn't using a private server still legal at the time?
When was it legal to use a private server to email classified information? Why would you think that?
Yet, nevermind that the server in question is that of former President of the United States William Jefferson Clinton and has proven more secure than those of the US State Department and the Democratic National Committee, because that isn't germane?
... you've got 9 more questions to go first.
Proven by whom?
Hillary received 11 emails that were not marked with the headings required for classified information. There is no evidence that she transmitted any classified information.
If someone sends you unsolicited kiddie porn in emails, you didn't commit a crime. However, the person who sent the kiddie porn has committed a crime.
The State Department and FBI investigation resulted in no charges. The matter is moot. The right had both Houses. Either she was cleared of the charges as she should have been, or the four years under trump were the most inept, most ineffective, most unproductive, most incapable, most clueless form of government we've ever seen.
Sad!
Hillary's server was not hacked.
However, the State Department's server was hacked.
That's absolutely true.
They never managed to "LOCK HER UP!"
The FBI wasn't able to confirm whether an intrusion into the server occured, it's not the same as verifying no hack.
If you've been paying attention to the documents thing a question of innocence is not applicable.
Did Hillary what?
Maybe he wants to know how Hillary managed to get through an 11-hour grilling without once pleading the Fifth.
Yes, the GSA sets up and operates secure personal servers for all Ex-Presidents of the United States of America!
Why does that seem to you?
More like, how can all you fellas believe they would not?
Bill Clinton is an Ex-President of the United States FFS...
Are you saying that Hillary as Sec of State used a GSA supported server of Pres Clinton?
I demand to see Trump state his case to the American people on live TV and under oath. But of course, this is something he can never do. He'd flee the country.
They were able to confirm that the State Dept's server was hacked.
Yes, her aids set up her devices and showed her how to use them. Apparently she was always on President Clinton's GSA provided and operated private servers up until it became an issue. She was particularly fond of her ancient Blackberry! Hillary@Clinton.ORG
Mrs Clinton retired from public service ten years ago in January!
I have so far used the singular term, “e-mail server,” in describing the referral that began our investigation. It turns out to have been more complicated than that. Secretary Clinton used several different servers and administrators of those servers during her four years at the State Department, and used numerous mobile devices to view and send e-mail on that personal domain. As new servers and equipment were employed, older servers were taken out of service, stored, and decommissioned in various ways. Piecing all of that back together—to gain as full an understanding as possible of the ways in which personal e-mail was used for government work—has been a painstaking undertaking, requiring thousands of hours of effort.
Yes, and they found Mrs Clinton did nothing wrong and that she lives a normal life centered on her husband, daughter and grandchildren, that she is thoughtful of all her friends, always very professional and basically an Old School Methodist "Church Lady"!
Hillary is a Yale grad attorney, three term First Lady of Arkansas, two term First Lady of the United States of America, a former US Senator, former US Secretary of State and Democratic Nominee for President of the United States of America. Boo! A Very Scary Lady! Run Away! She is Coming To Get You!
Lol. The guy who ran her server was taking advice on reddit on how to do his job.
ecause that isn't germane?
You think you it's okay to flaunt espionage laws so long as nothing bad happens? Find that exception in the statute and get back to me.
You sound more and more like Trump every day. "Nothing was taken from Mar-A-Lago, therefore I did nothing wrong"
Do you not remember Hillary emailing SAP level information on her private server?
Sad!
Ex-President Bill Clinton's government installed, operated and maintained servers? The super safe never hacked servers?
The sad thing is nobody knows if it was hacked, she was so careless it is highly likely at least most major intelligence agencies had access to it, by the time the FBI was able to analyze it, the server had been wiped with a software that not only removes the data but overwrites the data multiple times
You will be relieved to know that I edited my comment above from "server" to "servers" though I think it is pretty pickaune!
Do you think the State Department can charge people with crimes?
No shit there were no charges. Try and pay attention. The point, which should be obvious, is that she kept TS documents and wasn't charged. You know, the behavior that's supposed to
"put them in jail to await trial". IF you'd follow the discussion you'd see left wing hypocrites think Trump should be in jail awaiting trial for what Hillary did without consequence.
What does that mean? You think the Houses have something to do with criminal charges?
No, the State Department watchdog concluded that Hillary Clinton failed to comply with the agency’s policies on records while using a personal email server that was not and, would never have been approved by agency officials.
As the FBI said, " we did not find direct evidence that Secretary Clinton’s personal e-mail domain, in its various configurations since 2009, was successfully hacked. But, given the nature of the system and of the actors potentially involved, we assess that we would be unlikely to see such direct evidence.".
So all those gop lead hearings and long investigations that turned up zilch, that did not find proof of any of that and the extensive FBI investigations that also found not one thing illegal missed it, but you have the undeniably proof none of us have seen?
Brilliant! Let's See It! Whoop It Out! Show Us!
x- President Bill Clinton's government installed, operated and maintained servers? The super safe never hacked servers?
Where do you get this from? Pretty much every assertion you make is laughably false.
"The IT company Hilary Clinton chose to maintain her private email account was run from a loft apartment and its servers were housed in the bathroom closet,"
Relived? Why, because you roll with the tide?
Whose approval did the US Secretary of State need to get at the fucking State Department to get permission to use the same e-mail address she used for years?
15 years ago it was an honest mistake!
It looks bad in retrospect but not illegal!
Maybe I should have said nothing illegal.
America’s digital adversaries — including China, Russia and even Israel — may have had access to Hillary Clinton’s private email arrangement, security experts say, despite the FBI’s conclusion that there is no “direct evidence” of such breaches occurring.
The FBI could not determine whether hackers gained full access to the server, but on at least one occasion, a hacker did take over an email account belonging to a staffer for President Bill Clinton
Comey outlined findings that included discovery of highly classified information sent and received on Clinton’s private email servers, and signs that "hostile actors" gained access to email accounts of people who were sharing emails with Clinton.
Now that's not much of a Piccadilly I don't recon
You went to extreme efforts to point out that I said "server" and not "servers". See? The Ex-President's servers? Apparently that was a huge problem for you, or why go to so much trouble?
No, I just surprised by your ignorance on the findings.
Yes.
No, for someone who knows everything about everything I was stunned you knew nothing about it to begin with. Go Figure!
Well, given the current state of foreign relations perhaps that "honest mistake " 15 years ago had some repercussions? Who knows...right?
she set it up in the fall of 2008, months before assuming the job and didn't start using it until Jan 2009. .
Please provide links to this information.
Or did you make that shit up?
Do you have a source. Why would someone use a server that was 12 or more years old?
Please provide a link for that bullshit.
Was that on Reddit too?
Why was she not charged? With all this "evidence", and despite trump having both houses, it ends up being a nothingburger. Why is that? Was trump too busy grifting and pardoning guilty people? Receiving a pardon indicates wrongdoing.
Real information stuns you.
Please provide a link to the source of that bullshit.
The FBI investigated Hillary and said there was no crime committed.
"Try and pay attention."
Of all people to ask that question..
Were you not alive in 2016? You need a link to Comey's statement?
Son, I can't teach you all day. Try and do something for yourself.
Trump or both houses don’t prosecute crimes, the justice department does. Are you not familiar with how our government works?
So what's wrong with the republicans that they couldn't do shit?
I don't explain their shit.
You seem bothered by Hillary's email. Traitor trump literally asked Russia to find those emails. Still a nothingburger with a side of lies drenched in russian dressing.
Instead of cherry picking two sentences from the FBI report here is the complete text:
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Statement by FBI Director James B. Comey on the Investigation of Secretary Hillary Clinton’s Use of a Personal E-Mail System
Remarks prepared for delivery at press briefing.
Good morning. I’m here to give you an update on the FBI’s investigation of Secretary Clinton’s use of a personal e-mail system during her time as Secretary of State.
After a tremendous amount of work over the last year, the FBI is completing its investigation and referring the case to the Department of Justice for a prosecutive decision. What I would like to do today is tell you three things: what we did; what we found; and what we are recommending to the Department of Justice.
This will be an unusual statement in at least a couple ways. First, I am going to include more detail about our process than I ordinarily would, because I think the American people deserve those details in a case of intense public interest. Second, I have not coordinated or reviewed this statement in any way with the Department of Justice or any other part of the government. They do not know what I am about to say.
I want to start by thanking the FBI employees who did remarkable work in this case. Once you have a better sense of how much we have done, you will understand why I am so grateful and proud of their efforts.
So, first, what we have done:
The investigation began as a referral from the Intelligence Community Inspector General in connection with Secretary Clinton’s use of a personal e-mail server during her time as Secretary of State. The referral focused on whether classified information was transmitted on that personal system.
Our investigation looked at whether there is evidence classified information was improperly stored or transmitted on that personal system, in violation of a federal statute making it a felony to mishandle classified information either intentionally or in a grossly negligent way, or a second statute making it a misdemeanor to knowingly remove classified information from appropriate systems or storage facilities.
Consistent with our counterintelligence responsibilities, we have also investigated to determine whether there is evidence of computer intrusion in connection with the personal e-mail server by any foreign power, or other hostile actors.
I have so far used the singular term, “e-mail server,” in describing the referral that began our investigation. It turns out to have been more complicated than that. Secretary Clinton used several different servers and administrators of those servers during her four years at the State Department, and used numerous mobile devices to view and send e-mail on that personal domain. As new servers and equipment were employed, older servers were taken out of service, stored, and decommissioned in various ways. Piecing all of that back together—to gain as full an understanding as possible of the ways in which personal e-mail was used for government work—has been a painstaking undertaking, requiring thousands of hours of effort.
For example, when one of Secretary Clinton’s original personal servers was decommissioned in 2013, the e-mail software was removed. Doing that didn’t remove the e-mail content, but it was like removing the frame from a huge finished jigsaw puzzle and dumping the pieces on the floor. The effect was that millions of e-mail fragments end up unsorted in the server’s unused—or “slack”—space. We searched through all of it to see what was there, and what parts of the puzzle could be put back together.
FBI investigators have also read all of the approximately 30,000 e-mails provided by Secretary Clinton to the State Department in December 2014. Where an e-mail was assessed as possibly containing classified information, the FBI referred the e-mail to any U.S. government agency that was a likely “owner” of information in the e-mail, so that agency could make a determination as to whether the e-mail contained classified information at the time it was sent or received, or whether there was reason to classify the e-mail now, even if its content was not classified at the time it was sent (that is the process sometimes referred to as “up-classifying”).
From the group of 30,000 e-mails returned to the State Department, 110 e-mails in 52 e-mail chains have been determined by the owning agency to contain classified information at the time they were sent or received. Eight of those chains contained information that was Top Secret at the time they were sent; 36 chains contained Secret information at the time; and eight contained Confidential information, which is the lowest level of classification. Separate from those, about 2,000 additional e-mails were “up-classified” to make them Confidential; the information in those had not been classified at the time the e-mails were sent.
The FBI also discovered several thousand work-related e-mails that were not in the group of 30,000 that were returned by Secretary Clinton to State in 2014. We found those additional e-mails in a variety of ways. Some had been deleted over the years and we found traces of them on devices that supported or were connected to the private e-mail domain. Others we found by reviewing the archived government e-mail accounts of people who had been government employees at the same time as Secretary Clinton, including high-ranking officials at other agencies, people with whom a Secretary of State might naturally correspond.
This helped us recover work-related e-mails that were not among the 30,000 produced to State. Still others we recovered from the laborious review of the millions of e-mail fragments dumped into the slack space of the server decommissioned in 2013.
With respect to the thousands of e-mails we found that were not among those produced to State, agencies have concluded that three of those were classified at the time they were sent or received, one at the Secret level and two at the Confidential level. There were no additional Top Secret e-mails found. Finally, none of those we found have since been “up-classified.”
I should add here that we found no evidence that any of the additional work-related e-mails were intentionally deleted in an effort to conceal them. Our assessment is that, like many e-mail users, Secretary Clinton periodically deleted e-mails or e-mails were purged from the system when devices were changed. Because she was not using a government account—or even a commercial account like Gmail—there was no archiving at all of her e-mails, so it is not surprising that we discovered e-mails that were not on Secretary Clinton’s system in 2014, when she produced the 30,000 e-mails to the State Department.
It could also be that some of the additional work-related e-mails we recovered were among those deleted as “personal” by Secretary Clinton’s lawyers when they reviewed and sorted her e-mails for production in 2014.
The lawyers doing the sorting for Secretary Clinton in 2014 did not individually read the content of all of her e-mails, as we did for those available to us; instead, they relied on header information and used search terms to try to find all work-related e-mails among the reportedly more than 60,000 total e-mails remaining on Secretary Clinton’s personal system in 2014. It is highly likely their search terms missed some work-related e-mails, and that we later found them, for example, in the mailboxes of other officials or in the slack space of a server.
It is also likely that there are other work-related e-mails that they did not produce to State and that we did not find elsewhere, and that are now gone because they deleted all e-mails they did not return to State, and the lawyers cleaned their devices in such a way as to preclude complete forensic recovery.
We have conducted interviews and done technical examination to attempt to understand how that sorting was done by her attorneys. Although we do not have complete visibility because we are not able to fully reconstruct the electronic record of that sorting, we believe our investigation has been sufficient to give us reasonable confidence there was no intentional misconduct in connection with that sorting effort.
And, of course, in addition to our technical work, we interviewed many people, from those involved in setting up and maintaining the various iterations of Secretary Clinton’s personal server, to staff members with whom she corresponded on e-mail, to those involved in the e-mail production to State, and finally, Secretary Clinton herself.
Last, we have done extensive work to understand what indications there might be of compromise by hostile actors in connection with the personal e-mail operation.
That’s what we have done. Now let me tell you what we found:
Although we did not find clear evidence that Secretary Clinton or her colleagues intended to violate laws governing the handling of classified information, there is evidence that they were extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information.
For example, seven e-mail chains concern matters that were classified at the Top Secret/Special Access Program level when they were sent and received. These chains involved Secretary Clinton both sending e-mails about those matters and receiving e-mails from others about the same matters. There is evidence to support a conclusion that any reasonable person in Secretary Clinton’s position, or in the position of those government employees with whom she was corresponding about these matters, should have known that an unclassified system was no place for that conversation. In addition to this highly sensitive information, we also found information that was properly classified as Secret by the U.S. Intelligence Community at the time it was discussed on e-mail (that is, excluding the later “up-classified” e-mails).
None of these e-mails should have been on any kind of unclassified system, but their presence is especially concerning because all of these e-mails were housed on unclassified personal servers not even supported by full-time security staff, like those found at Departments and Agencies of the U.S. Government—or even with a commercial service like Gmail.
Separately, it is important to say something about the marking of classified information. Only a very small number of the e-mails containing classified information bore markings indicating the presence of classified information. But even if information is not marked “classified” in an e-mail, participants who know or should know that the subject matter is classified are still obligated to protect it.
While not the focus of our investigation, we also developed evidence that the security culture of the State Department in general, and with respect to use of unclassified e-mail systems in particular, was generally lacking in the kind of care for classified information found elsewhere in the government.
With respect to potential computer intrusion by hostile actors, we did not find direct evidence that Secretary Clinton’s personal e-mail domain, in its various configurations since 2009, was successfully hacked. But, given the nature of the system and of the actors potentially involved, we assess that we would be unlikely to see such direct evidence. We do assess that hostile actors gained access to the private commercial e-mail accounts of people with whom Secretary Clinton was in regular contact from her personal account. We also assess that Secretary Clinton’s use of a personal e-mail domain was both known by a large number of people and readily apparent. She also used her personal e-mail extensively while outside the United States, including sending and receiving work-related e-mails in the territory of sophisticated adversaries. Given that combination of factors, we assess it is possible that hostile actors gained access to Secretary Clinton’s personal e-mail account.
So that’s what we found. Finally, with respect to our recommendation to the Department of Justice:
In our system, the prosecutors make the decisions about whether charges are appropriate based on evidence the FBI has helped collect. Although we don’t normally make public our recommendations to the prosecutors, we frequently make recommendations and engage in productive conversations with prosecutors about what resolution may be appropriate, given the evidence. In this case, given the importance of the matter, I think unusual transparency is in order.
Although there is evidence of potential violations of the statutes regarding the handling of classified information, our judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case. Prosecutors necessarily weigh a number of factors before bringing charges. There are obvious considerations, like the strength of the evidence, especially regarding intent. Responsible decisions also consider the context of a person’s actions, and how similar situations have been handled in the past.
I n looking back at our investigations into mishandling or removal of classified information, we cannot find a case that would support bringing criminal charges on these facts. All the cases prosecuted involved some combination of: clearly intentional and willful mishandling of classified information; or vast quantities of materials exposed in such a way as to support an inference of intentional misconduct; or indications of disloyalty to the United States; or efforts to obstruct justice. We do not see those things here.
To be clear, this is not to suggest that in similar circumstances, a person who engaged in this activity would face no consequences. To the contrary, those individuals are often subject to security or administrative sanctions. But that is not what we are deciding now.
As a result, although the Department of Justice makes final decisions on matters like this, we are expressing to Justice our view that no charges are appropriate in this case.
I know there will be intense public debate in the wake of this recommendation, as there was throughout this investigation. What I can assure the American people is that this investigation was done competently, honestly, and independently. No outside influence of any kind was brought to bear.
I know there were many opinions expressed by people who were not part of the investigation—including people in government—but none of that mattered to us. Opinions are irrelevant, and they were all uninformed by insight into our investigation, because we did the investigation the right way. Only facts matter, and the FBI found them here in an entirely apolitical and professional way. I couldn’t be prouder to be part of this organization.
No longer. old news.
Yes, I remember.
What is?
It's pretty sad when they have to go back 6 years to find something to bitch about. Trump fucks up every day, as do his enablers.
Here is the first paragraph from your dubious source:
An extensive FBI investigation found evidence that foreign government hackers accessed private emails sent by former secretary of state Hillary Clinton but no direct evidence spies hacked into the several unsecure servers she used.
The source you cited, The Washington Free Beacon, is a far right wing "news source".
Conservative Website Was First to Hire Firm Behind Russia Dossier
We already knew that it was Republicans who first hired Fusion GPS, the firm behind the now infamous dossier that claimed close ties between Donald Trump and the Russian government. But now we know that Republican group was the Washington Free Beacon , a conservative website that is largely funded by hedge fund billionaire Paul Singer. Turns out the Washington Free Beacon hired Fusion GPS in 2015 to dig up information about several Republican presidential hopefuls, including Trump.
The Washington Free Beacon notified the House Intelligence Committee of the hiring on Friday and then published a statement saying it paid Fusion GPS to research “multiple candidates in the Republican presidential primary, just as we retained other firms to assist in our research into Hillary Clinton.” The website makes clear it doesn’t see anything wrong with the practice, noting that since it was launched in 2012 it “has retained third-party firms to conduct research on many individuals and institutions of interest to us and our readers.’’
The Attorney General or Congress can appoint a special counsel. I mean, you know that right? I said nothing about prosecution. A special prosecutor was never appointed. Can't have a prosecution without going before a special counsel. And, again, Congress can appoint special counsel. Guess what never happened? As a matter of fact, trumpythinskin wanted Sessions to prosecute Comey for his treatment of Hillary.
Cite .
Go figure.
tead of cherry picking two sentences from the FBI report here is the complete text:
As if that contradicts what I excerpted.
Yes,
The FBI is my source.
If true, the info cited is not very useful.
Paul Combetta, the computer specialist who deleted emails from Hillary Clinton’s private server, appears to have asked Reddit users for advice on hiding the email address of a “VERY VIP” on “a bunch of archived email[s]
When analyzing email data, the to and from fields are not what the FBI actually looks for. They look at the "meta data" which is much more difficult to spoof.
Your smoke machine needs more dry ice. And your mirrors need a wipeoff.
Puhleeze ... spare me. Reminds me of my favorite M*A*S*H episode:
Hawkeye : Frank, stop acting like a sniveling idiot!
Maj. Frank Burns [whining] : I'm not acting!
I published Comey's full statement ( 5.3.67 )
You cherry picked two sentences from Comey's statement.
Here is some stuff you missed in Comey's statement:
we believe our investigation has been sufficient to give us reasonable confidence there was no intentional misconduct in connection with that sorting effort.
Separately, it is important to say something about the marking of classified information. Only a very small number of the e-mails containing classified information bore markings indicating the presence of classified information.
With respect to potential computer intrusion by hostile actors, we did not find direct evidence that Secretary Clinton’s personal e-mail domain, in its various configurations since 2009, was successfully hacked.
Although there is evidence of potential violations of the statutes regarding the handling of classified information, our judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case.
In looking back at our investigations into mishandling or removal of classified information, we cannot find a case that would support bringing criminal charges on these facts. All the cases prosecuted involved some combination of: clearly intentional and willful mishandling of classified information; or vast quantities of materials exposed in such a way as to support an inference of intentional misconduct; or indications of disloyalty to the United States; or efforts to obstruct justice. We do not see those things here.
As a result, although the Department of Justice makes final decisions on matters like this, we are expressing to Justice our view that no charges are appropriate in this case.
Okay, you cherry picked some interesting items from Comey's report.
I published Comey's statement in its entirety ( 5.3.67 )
Here's what I highlighted from the same report:
we believe our investigation has been sufficient to give us reasonable confidence there was no intentional misconduct in connection with that sorting effort.
Separately, it is important to say something about the marking of classified information. Only a very small number of the e-mails containing classified information bore markings indicating the presence of classified information.
With respect to potential computer intrusion by hostile actors, we did not find direct evidence that Secretary Clinton’s personal e-mail domain, in its various configurations since 2009, was successfully hacked.
Although there is evidence of potential violations of the statutes regarding the handling of classified information, our judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case.
In looking back at our investigations into mishandling or removal of classified information, we cannot find a case that would support bringing criminal charges on these facts. All the cases prosecuted involved some combination of: clearly intentional and willful mishandling of classified information; or vast quantities of materials exposed in such a way as to support an inference of intentional misconduct; or indications of disloyalty to the United States; or efforts to obstruct justice. We do not see those things here.
As a result, although the Department of Justice makes final decisions on matters like this, we are expressing to Justice our view that no charges are appropriate in this case.
No one can explain their shit.
Nothing burgers and classic TV shows, how nostalgic.
Trying to defend one fuckup by pointing at another fuckup is also very sad.
ere is some stuff you missed in Comey's statement:
I didn't miss anything. I'm trying to have a linear discussion not lurch from topic to topic like an addled street corner drunk.
Follow the discussion. You asked for proof that Hillary emailed SAP level information on her private server.
I provided it.
Nothing you highlighted disputes that in any way.
All this thread consists of is progressives making false statements, being corrected and then pivoting to other claims as if by pointing out things not in dispute it somehow erases their blatant distortions of very recent history.
I can't stand Comey. You cannot tell me that what he did to Hillary so close to the election couldn't possibly have made any difference
Comey's BS gave Trump the White House.
Damn that deep state.
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... find out what you're good at and then be the best.
Be Best, LoL
The insanity defense is his only way out. And the GOP will demand he gets it out of fear that 'the Trump' will spill the beans on all of the dirty Russian/Saudi/Chinese money he brought into the GOP. Marina Buttina was but a shard of ice on a glacier of dirty money that has infected everything American.
Amazing. His MAGA hats are made in China. And both trump and his then-muse Ivanka [no longer since she told the truth and said she believed the election was legal] were given China trademarks up through and including 2019.
Cite .
Both?
What is more problematic than the behavior of one person (in this case, Trump) is the fact that so many in our nation are willing to support a person like Trump and will even defend his outrageous behavior and refuse to even acknowledge wrongdoing by Trump.
These people are not (in general) mentally ill, but they do seem to be afflicted with a cult-like mindset.
... seem to be?
white supremacy - cult
tea party - cult
q-anon - cult
election denial - cult
insurrection denial - cult
xtian nationalism - cult
patriotism seems to run a distant second to their blind loyalty.
I'd have to say mentally ill
What is really sad and stupidly pathetic, if only because the rest of the world, ultimately, will throw it back in our nation's face, is how this has proven the crookedness of some Americans, namely MAGA conservatives, who are putting on full display how they see this country as theirs and they never intended liberty, "right-thinking," for the 'Others' they allow to live here under suppression! Now, on the cusp of achieving true and "utter" greatness for all its people: This nation's MAGA conservatives balk!
And other nation's see it for what it is! This nation's sickening, racist, homophobic, white-nationalists buttocks bouncing and 'jiggling' all over the place unrestrained by any pretenses.
Trump is a symptom, MAGA conservatives in the millions are the Cause!
trump has embarrassed the U.S. countless times. This incident is from 2018:
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There are citizens that will NEVER reach full potential because of the hatred MAGA is championing, launching and relaunching on a daily basis! This country can not succeed being pulled in two contrasting directions (backwards and forwards) at the same time! Our country will fail as a consequence and 'fall' from its world domination, because millions here refuse to stand up for EVERYBODY OF GOODWILL born and naturalized here!
Those of us who were playing the home version of the United Nation were also laughing at The Donald.
Most of us laughed at Dandy Donald Trump for at least five years.
Hahaha
Oh, this is good!
That shit is going on Twitter.. LOL
Ha!
The song goes, "Fly Like An Eagle" not "Walk Like An Eagle"! How dense can he be to not understand the insult to his person? All kidding aside, I understand this did not actually occur but could a tribe make it so and swap out the plaques-the day of?
Walking Eagle News: Satirical news with an Indigenous twist
It published in Canada and has been in existence since 2017,
Thank you, friend Kavika!
Still, I would like for somebody to 'punk' this ignoramus good!
In a Red State poll out of Utah, Trump finished third behind DeSantis and LIZ CHENEY. You have to love it. LOL
Apparently the very existence of The Constitution presents a threat to 'the Trump'. As far as 'the Trump base', without a mirage of a threat it has no reason to exist.
I have to ruin this. There was 69 comments...
I think I love you.
That must have sucked....
Well, for one of us anyway...
And isn’t really a win win scenario when you come down to it?
And in the holiday spirit, Tis better to give than receive..,
So much wonderfulness in such a little thread! Awwww, it's a nostalgic moment. Circa 2012; I'm in ButtHeads laughing my sweet taut ass off at all the amazingly clever innuendo.
Aw.
I bet you lapped it up (were you on top?).
What a fuckin' loser. He just can't stop himself. trump hasn't even a modicum of self-restraint. The damage he is doing to himself cannot be undone. Thank goodness the damage he has done to the country can be repaired by those who believe in democracy, equal rights for all, and the tenet that NO ONE is above the law.
On another note, what happened to all the stickers on gas pumps that said "Joe Biden did this"?
Just sickening to see this play out on the national stage as well as our little microcosm. No matter what Trump does, blind partisans cannot bring themselves to take a stand and state: 'no, enough is enough ... there is a line I will not cross'.
It's sickening and really disturbing.
Those complaining about Hillary's email are only exacerbating the obvious ... the four years under trump were the most impotent four years in this country's history. Evidence, evidence, evidence anywhere and they couldn't make anything stick. How inept is that? Lock her up? Special counsel? What a laugh. Keep talking about Hillary's email. Just start your little diatribes with "We were so ridiculously stupid because we couldn't get Hillary for ...."
What a loser administration.
Intelligence experts wanted to give The Donald a secure phone. The idiot refused and keep using his own phone. I think he was afraid those intel guys would listen in on his calls to Hannity and porn stars.
Trump denies he suggested 'termination' of Constitution, without deleting post
Trump is clearly out of his mind.
trump has always been out of his mind. He's thrown everything away for a lie. So desperate to get back into the WH.
Sad. For America.
So true.
It is. He's pathetic.
He is apparently desperate and attempting to appear at most GOP rallies. He has recently been training for a south Texas county rally, a county with a large hispanic population. Their pet cause is upgrading all emergency rooms that have fallen into disarray due to the covid fiasco. The dance instructor taught him the "YMCA" version for their worthy cause: Los ERs.
One of the greatest tweets I've seen lately was on a thread about "Boebert is so dumb..." Some of them were clever af. Amazingly funny people. "Boebert is so dumb, she thought LBJ was what they call a blowjob in Mexico. "
You are absolutely right!
Trump didn't just say it out loud, the stupid fucker put it in writing!
Trump posted this on his own social media site, "TRUTH":
"throw the Presidential Election Results of 2020 OUT and declare the RIGHTFUL WINNER, or do you have a NEW ELECTION? A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution."
Now the idiot is trying to "walk it back" by lying (naturally).
To support this scumbag you'd have to be out of your mind also
And you'd have to be anti-American.
Insurrection! The 'only' way that fool would have gotten into the Capitol building carrying a stick with that symbol on it! And, how dumb do you have to be to confuse a takeover of the national capitol with a run of the mill riot?! Just how stupid and messed up in the heads, plural?
Found the perfect gift for Abbott, Paxton, Cruz, Gohmert. Thanks to trump Jr. for graciously modeling this GOP appropriate business-casual attire.
Are you trying to say that he's a dickhead or that someone hung his balls around his neck? Either one works.
Yes, Junior is a dickhead.
Don Junior is just a foreskin off the old prick.
HA!
It took me a minute to follow the lines, but boy O boy it was worth it!
That reminds me of when the RWNJs called themselves "teabaggers".
Wow! I will never, ever, see another man the same as I used to after this!
I'm serious!
It was just announced that Senator Warnock defeated Walker in tonight's senate run off.
It's a beautiful thing.
It was just announced that Senator Warnock defeated Walker in tonight's senate run off.
Truth won out (again)! Thank you, Lord! Now, can DEMOCRATS continue to GOVERN in the Senate and in the presidency? Have something to run on in 2024 "Mr. President"!!!
I've already asked this, but can someone please tell me when the right is taking ownership of the libs? "Own the libs, own the libs, just watch, we're going to own the libs." Well, I have stuff to do. I'm not going to hang around forever waiting to get owned. People who say/think that are as good at owning the libs as trump was at running the country.
The truth has gotten dressed and is flying the distance it takes to get back 'home' and set straight the crooked paths hewn out by Trump and MAGA. Ultimately, the conventional conservatives may even rise up and storm MAGA beachheads to reclaim their conservative roots once more. There is this renewed 'freshness' of the air surrounded by great stench of MAGA soulless wretches being found out. . . led to the cliffs edge and told to walk off!
Even now we see behind the curtain of SCOTUS, through the testimony of someone who was present to know, how SCOTUS conservative or the courts many conservatives have fallen prey to kompromat (a Russian word meaning, "compromising information), and this someone tells this story of how justices have been wined, dined, secreted away on elaborate junkets and the like all for the benefit of several 'bent' ears to listen and consider causes better off lost, but now are 'found' —again.
So yes, methodically, local governments were being taken over, state offices and governships were being taken over, federal judgeships were being taken over, congress allowed half its members to 'suspend' and play the fool, and most MAGA republicans turned deaf ears and blind eyes to the truth that was begging for some attention.
But now the tide may turn: Truth has returned with its shoes on and its walking steadily and with determination deeper into the land.
Yeah.
I haven't observed any Trumpanzees "owning" any libs.
OTOH, you can open a NewsTalker business called "Cobalt's Preowned RWNJs".
The trouble is that nobody wants those beat up White-wingers.
Funny, butt what about all of his "my pillows"?
Trump did not want to wear a face mask until Ivanka provided him with one he liked.
Trump said for some reason he has an erection.
dump trump bump