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I Went to the Woods Because …

  

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I Went to the Woods Because …

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A. Macarthur
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link   seeder  A. Macarthur    8 years ago

Still trying to be a voice of reason.

Earlier today I posted a short bit of information, ended the comment with the question … 

"If I am incorrect, please then correct me."

Turns out, I was correct

… and was given a thumbs down for the comment!

I consider myself "a reasonable individual"; and so I cannot help but wonder what it is about a purely factual statement, one verified no less, a statement accompanied by a request for correction if warranted …

… that causes someone to vote it down.

I'm reasonable but not naive.

It is the mean-spirited, malcontents among us that, on certain days … makes me go into the woods and tell the trees … "It's hopeless."

But then I take some pictures and share them with other reasonable individuals (whose presence herein keeps me from walking away).

Enjoy the picture.

 

 

 
 
 
Dean Moriarty
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link   Dean Moriarty  replied to  A. Macarthur   8 years ago

I don't even bother to look at who gives me the thumbs down. It doesn't bother me because I respect the freedom of that person to do so and I realize it is out of my control. Don't sweat the small stuff. 

 
 
 
A. Macarthur
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link   seeder  A. Macarthur  replied to  Dean Moriarty   8 years ago

I don't even bother to look at who gives me the thumbs down. It doesn't bother me because I respect the freedom of that person to do so and I realize it is out of my control. Don't sweat the small stuff. 

It is not a question of "who," rather of "why". Since the feature is available and members choose to use it, it seems logical to consider the meaning of a vote down on a completely factual while otherwise innocuous comment.

If you respect an individual's freedom to do so, then I speculate you'd consider extending that respect to the recipient of a negative gesture in asking the reason or intent.

Let's not tap dance around this, Dean. There is a cohort of intended hostility to show disdain consistently to certain members of NT. If these negative expressions took the form of dialogue … of substance … of the expression of ideas, that would be good for a site like NT. But a mere lazy, half-assed, adverse gesture is just that -- having no value other than to make other members consider not bothering.

Here's how I see it , Dean; if I were in a room with a group of people and a discussion among some of those people was in progress … if a participant in the discussion were "given the finger" by someone in the room … no explanation -- just "the finger," and, the "finger-flinger" repeated that gesture in those circumstances on a regular basis … 

You get the idea; at best it's a distraction, at worst it's an insult and at worst-worst … it makes some of those who usually participate in the discussion … no longer want to be bothered.

Speaking for myself, if I could get the thumbsdowners into a venue where their words and actions would be judged with rewards or consequences by neutral third parties, if the best they had was a finger or a thumb and no viable information with which to make a case, I would figuratively (colloquially) … "hand them their asses."

Good discussion is the heart of websites like NT; tacit or overt insults with no substantive value is "pissing on the floor."

I don't see this as "small stuff" -- but -- I could be alone on that.

Otherwise, enjoy the picture. Good to see you here.

 
 
 
Cerenkov
Professor Silent
link   Cerenkov  replied to  A. Macarthur   8 years ago

It was my understanding that certain individuals requested this feature. I did not. But now that it is here, I use it constantly. My criteria are not confined to veracity but also include on topic-ness and tone. Basically, I feel free to use this "feature" however I want.

 
 
 
Dean Moriarty
Professor Quiet
link   Dean Moriarty  replied to  A. Macarthur   8 years ago

We each look at the feature from a different perspective. When I see the thumbs down I try to see it with nonresistance, nonjudgmental and nonattachment the three aspects of true freedom and enlightenment. If I take that approach my ego cannot trigger my painbody and I suffer no emotional distress. Nobody owes me anything. I do not expect an explanation for their actions. 

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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link   1stwarrior  replied to  A. Macarthur   8 years ago

The picture is gorgeous - the following discourse is getting pathetic.  "Thumbs-up/Thumbs-down"????????  Are we having ego/self-confidence issues?

The discussion does not belong with the picture - poor taste.

 
 
 
A. Macarthur
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link   seeder  A. Macarthur  replied to  1stwarrior   8 years ago

 

Are we having ego/self-confidence issues?

The discussion does not belong with the picture - poor taste.

The exchange of ideas cannot always be compartmentalized nor categorized nor narrowed for "neatness" sake.

If I had placed this discussion in META and used the same photograph and quote as a metaphor there, would anyone suggest that the image did not belong and was in "poor taste"?

Art, music, literature, theater … all such media have been used to address matters of relevance with regard to communication and human interaction.

"I went into the woods because"  … as I apply it to this discussion, is my way saying (Thoreau's way, that is) … "the need for deliberation is where you find it, or, where you apply it". 

I have been accused (more than once) of "thinking too much".

Guilty as charged.

So, 1stwarrior, you may have a point. 

But let me take one more stab at the rationale for this discussion as it stands and WHERE I chose to stand it.

At the right of my image is a path … a vaguely carved path, covered with the fallen leaves of the past season(s). I walk that path frequently … usually alone … me, my camera, my tripod, a black bear every now and then … a coyote once … at my age, I probably shouldn't. But fighting off the fear in exchange for the experience of spirituality and the sublime; I do deliberately because the day will come when I'll no longer be able to, or, be around to do it.

What I'm saying 1stwarrior, is that in my mind, this discussion in its apparent conflict-of-interests … is logical and synchronistic, albeit quite possibly my way of giving a THUMBS DOWN to thinking inside the box.

Peace.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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link   1stwarrior  replied to  A. Macarthur   8 years ago

Your picture reminds me of a specific site next to the Chickasaw Village on the Natchez Trace outside of Tupelo - everything is positioned exactly the same.  Used to spend a lot of time sitting on the old log - listening - wondering - thinking - dozing - listening.  Yup - that's the way life should be.

Dump the "thumbs-up/thumbs-down" tirades - getting old and have less and less impact/import.

Thanks for the consideration.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Expert
link   Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  1stwarrior   8 years ago

1st,

I am going to disagree with you. When the same person always votes your comments down, no matter what the content, it is a form of trolling. It becomes about the person and not the content. No one likes to be trolled. 

Go through this article and see who always votes Mac down and then it becomes very evident. 

 
 
 
1stwarrior
Professor Participates
link   1stwarrior  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A.   8 years ago

Perrie/Mac - hate to point this out to you very learned persons - BUT - the title of the article is "I went to the woods because. . ." with a very beautiful photograph of said woods and a marvelous comment/statement by Henry David Thoreau - AND NOWHERE DOES IT MENTION/DISCUSS/BRING UP "THUMBS-UP/THUMBS-DOWN".

Call it a little foible of mine, but I like folks to keep their discussion on the topic of the thread.

Can we do that?????

Now, let's get back on topic - shall we????

Late Autumn???

 
 
 
1stwarrior
Professor Participates
link   1stwarrior  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A.   8 years ago

Perrie - 99% of the "thumbs-down" are done by one person 'cause he's got an attitude towards A. Mac.  Check out all the posts Mac makes and look who's there.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
Professor Participates
link   1stwarrior  replied to  1stwarrior   8 years ago

Should have said "Look at many of the posts" vice "look at all the posts".

Sorry.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
link   Kavika     8 years ago

Wonderful photo Mac.

As far as the dislikes go, consider the source. Dislike with no rebuttal is simply the inability to engage in a debate, and defend their position.

 
 
 
Cerenkov
Professor Silent
link   Cerenkov  replied to  Kavika   8 years ago

You neglect the possibility of indifference or ennui. Or the pointless of discourse with trolls (I am not referring to anyone posting here so far).

 
 
 
A. Macarthur
Professor Guide
link   seeder  A. Macarthur  replied to  Cerenkov   8 years ago

You neglect the possibility of indifference or ennui. Or the pointless of discourse with trolls (I am not referring to anyone posting here so far).

Indifference is manifested by … the absence of any manifestation!

As for "pointless discourse" -- if that is the assessment/meaning behind a given thumbs down, if the thumbsdowner truly wants to decry the phenomenon, would it not be more constructive to state it outright?

 
 
 
Cerenkov
Professor Silent
link   Cerenkov  replied to  A. Macarthur   8 years ago

Sometimes it's not worth replying to a known troll of a poster that devolves to kindergarten insults. The thumbs down is an easy gesture.

 
 
 
Kavika
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link   Kavika   replied to  Cerenkov   8 years ago

If the ''dislike'' was from indifference, why then would one bother to ''dislike'' it. Same for ennui, lack of excitement. A dislike will bring a feeling of excitement?

Dislike a ''troll'' comment would make sense.

 
 
 
Cerenkov
Professor Silent
link   Cerenkov  replied to  Kavika   8 years ago

Sometimes it doesn't seem worth a reply, but the thumb feature is easy.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
link   Kavika     8 years ago

Why would the poster of a comment, ''like'' his/her own comment. I doubt if anyone would post a comment that they didn't like.

Seems like it means little, so why do it?

Could there be a motive that I'm not aware of?

 
 
 
Cerenkov
Professor Silent
link   Cerenkov  replied to  Kavika   8 years ago

Yes. I like or dislike most posts to keep track of what I have already read.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Expert
link   Perrie Halpern R.A.    8 years ago

Mac,

When I think about this site and reactions to my posts, (many which get votes down for no reason at all), a song comes to mind. 

But it's all right now, I learned my lesson well
You see, ya can't please everyone, so ya got to please yourself

So at the end of the day, only you have to be content with if you have been true to yourself. Don't trouble yourself with those so petty as to try to upset you. When you do, they win. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Expert
link   Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A.   8 years ago

BTW beautiful picture. So this is a fine outcome from a bad day. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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link   Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A.   8 years ago

One might wonder of this is a META article or a photography one.  I enjoy looking at great photos as taken by A.Mac, but as a META article it's boring.

Right now we're packing for a move to Chengdu, which is much closer to Chongqing (my wife's home town). Since I find moving a traumatic experience I hope it will be a long time before having to move again.  Lots of Panda Bears in Chengdu, which is the capital of Sichuan Province, where the monster earthquake took place in 2008.

 
 
 
Enoch
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link   Enoch  replied to  Buzz of the Orient   8 years ago

Dear Friend Buzz: I wish you and your lovely bride a smooth, easy and satisfying move to your new location closer to her roots.

Mrs. E. will be in Israel stating Tuesday next until a week prior to Passover this spring.

Part of that trip is to identify places to which we can retire closer to if not where she grew up.

Some day we need to get together and compare notes about our last move.

E.     

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Expert
link   Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Buzz of the Orient   8 years ago

Good luck with your move Buzz. I don't think that there is a person around that enjoys moving.. so when you are feeling bleak, keep that in mind. 

 
 
 
TTGA
Professor Silent
link   TTGA  replied to  Buzz of the Orient   8 years ago

Since I find moving a traumatic experience I hope it will be a long time before having to move again.

Definitely Buzz.  I am reminded of a quote from Benjamin Franklin, "Two removes equals one fire".  Our last move was hurried and chaotic (and complicated by a small child).  Since we have now been here for thirty years and our situation is relatively stable, I'm hoping that my next move will be to much smaller quarters (6' x 3' x 8').  I should be able to stay there for a long time, but might need the services of a good medium as an ISP.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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link   Buzz of the Orient  replied to  TTGA   8 years ago

I hope it will be a very long time before your last move, TTGA.

 
 
 
Uncle Bruce
Professor Quiet
link   Uncle Bruce    8 years ago

I hated Thoreau.

I saw that Mac.  But since I was at work, and Java Script wont work on those PCs, I couldn't tell who gave you the thumbs down, or I surely would have said something about it to the individual.

I too have noticed a blatant use of the thumbs down in the threads.  In one particular article I was participating in, one member here went through the article and thumbed down every single comment I made, regardless of what it said.  It was obvious the individual searched for each comment I made, because they didn't do it to any other comment in the thread.  Knowing who the individual is, I'm not surprised at his behavior,  as he tends to be rather childish as a norm.  And that's exactly what I thought of him at the time.

I was in a theological discussion with John earlier today, and gave him thumbs up on each of his comments.  Not because I agreed with his position, but because it was apparent he believed in his position and argued it with tact and conviction.  I felt he deserved recognition for his comments.

Pretty sure I gave you a thumbs up too.

 
 
 
A. Macarthur
Professor Guide
link   seeder  A. Macarthur    8 years ago

I greatly appreciate the participation from everyone in this thread; it is an excellent prototype for the most part, of how a lively discussion with agreement and disagreement can proceed … without generating bad feelings.

Thank you.

A note regarding the "THUMBS UP" -- since this represents "liking" and or "agreement" with a comment, I consider it a "comment/explanation" in-and-of-itself. Imagine an everyday, verbal conversation with yourself and another individual.

A comment is made by INDIVIDUAL "A". INDIVIDUAL "B" responds with, "I agree."

Nothing more needs to be said; the comment by "A" is all the information and conversation required when "B", etc. agrees.

But if "B" says, "I don't agree," there's almost an inevitable continuation … "A" asking "B", "Why not"? Followed by "B" then explaining/arguing the reason(s) for "why not".

Common sense.

 
 
 
Cerenkov
Professor Silent
link   Cerenkov  replied to  A. Macarthur   8 years ago

Mostly anyway.

 
 
 
A. Macarthur
Professor Guide
link   seeder  A. Macarthur    8 years ago

Good night!

Got more "Peace and Tranquility" images on the way …

Thanks again to all.

 
 
 
A. Macarthur
Professor Guide
link   seeder  A. Macarthur    8 years ago

One might wonder of this is a META article or a photography one.

Buzz,

Look at this as a visual META-phor beginning with the headline, image and the Thoreau quote.

Admittedly, I'm litigating here -- indicting the arbitrary, wholly subjective and often mean-spirited commentator-member who contributes little to and subtracts much from, the quality of discourse on NT.

IMO, the key words in the Thoreau quote in my visual are, "to live deliberately". I am angered and offended by those who on NT and in life, deliberately effuse vitriol for no other reason than to be disagreeable because they cannot otherwise articulate their position.

Thus, I deliberately and metaphorically made my case to the "jury" with a visual and a quote.

Best of luck on your move, and if you and Enoch ever get together … I HOPE I"M THERE WITH "YOU GUYS".

 
 
 
Dean Moriarty
Professor Quiet
link   Dean Moriarty  replied to  A. Macarthur   8 years ago

The anger is coming from within. It was the result of an injury to the ego. Once we see the ego is the cause of the pain than we can see things as they really are. We accept that Perrie added the feature and people will use the feature. There is nothing in the COC that says they owe us an explanation for their use of the feature. It just is. Once we accept it as it really is we no longer suffer as a result of their use of the feature. 

 
 
 
A. Macarthur
Professor Guide
link   seeder  A. Macarthur  replied to  Dean Moriarty   8 years ago

 Once we see the ego is the cause of the pain than we can see things as they really are. 

No disagreement with the premise, Dean; however, the ego not only drives emotional pain -- it drives motivation for positive as well.

As human beings, when we are on the receiving end of the (figuratively or literally delivered) "finger," be it with or without explanation, or, with or-without justification, we are wired to feel whether we react/respond outwardly or not. The ego drives empathy and compassion … possibly the best of human capabilities … it is the ego (IMO) that underpins "The Golden Rule".

Good discussion, Dean.

 
 
 
Enoch
Masters Quiet
link   Enoch  replied to  A. Macarthur   8 years ago

Dear Friends: The back and forth about the fickled finger of fate reminds me of a comedy routine I watched as a child.

It was on the Ed Sullivan Show.

The late and great comedian Alan King was doing a rift about insurance companies. He had little use for them. 

He related that having had a recent automotive mishap, he filed a claim.

His insurance company represents themselves as a firm who holds its customers in "good hand".

He advised the audience that sometimes when you think you are in good hands, and you file a claim you find out all you get is one finger!

LOL.

Enoch, A Nationwide is on my side client.    

 
 
 
Enoch
Masters Quiet
link   Enoch  replied to  A. Macarthur   8 years ago

Dear Friend A. Mac: This summer or fall forthcoming at least you and I; and possibly Vlad's Dog and Arch Man will be "US GUYS" in the Pocanos.   

The amazing skills you and Vlad bring to the photographic arts, nature brings to the subject matter to be recorded in snaps, and my Chaplaincy skills for the families of fish who lose loved ones to anglers will yield this.

We shall create a legend that will last a lunchtime.

Where we tread will become world famous for yards around.

Who knows, if we play our cards right our lasting legacy may just be getting Cliff's Noted. That's making it! 

Enoch, Having a Walter Mitty Moment (Tapocketa, pocketa, pocketa).    

 

 
 
 
A. Macarthur
Professor Guide
link   seeder  A. Macarthur  replied to  Enoch   8 years ago

Dear Friend A. Mac: This summer or fall forthcoming at least you and I; and possibly Vlad's Dog and Arch Man will be "US GUYS" in the Pocanos.   

We will gorge the Lehigh Gorge with the positive energy of good camaraderie … hike in Hickory Run …

… and of course, catch and release (hopefully) a good number of fish.

Mid-October is the most beautiful time of year in the Poconos and hopefully we can all coordinate family events and schedules to make it happen then.

 

 
 
 
Enoch
Masters Quiet
link   Enoch  replied to  A. Macarthur   8 years ago

Dear Friend A. Mac: Sold!

You truly are the Art of the Deal. Who can Trump that offer?

Whale of a bargain.  I would shell out big clams for that. No sense being Squidish when it comes to value.       

I prefer to negotiate their surrender, rather than to actually catch the fish. Easy to tune a piano, hard to tune a fish.

Once they don't present a clear and present danger to land lubbers, I recommend they be paroled for good behavior.

Enoch, Ever a Pieces Working for Scale, or Just for the Halibut.   

 

 
 
 
sixpick
Professor Quiet
link   sixpick    8 years ago

A Mac, I don't worry about "Thumbs Down".  I get them all the time.  I even received a "Thumbs Down" on one of your articles when I converted a YouTube video of a nice song you had put in the first comment for Buzz so he could hear it.  I haven't given anyone a "Thumbs Down" and if I have it has been purely by mistake.  Some of us give "Thumbs Up" to other members no matter what they say and I'm one of them. chuckle   That's because we pretty much are in agreement about most everything, I'm sure and I would be willing to bet it's the same for most everyone here.

So far at this point I see you haven't received any "Thumbs Down" on this article.  Congratulations!  thumbs up

And as Perrie had a song I hope you don't mind if I put one up as well.  Oh, your photo is excellent as always.

 

 
 
 
A. Macarthur
Professor Guide
link   seeder  A. Macarthur    8 years ago

Oh! Look!

"Common sense received a "thumbs down."

Some cases are easier to make than others.

 
 
 
sixpick
Professor Quiet
link   sixpick  replied to  A. Macarthur   8 years ago

@a-macarthur :

Oh! Look!

"Common sense received a "thumbs down."

Some cases are easier to make than others.

Well I saw that, but I was referring to you personally.  I would put an audio for that song up for Buzz, but it keeps saying my file has an invalid extension.  I've contacted Perrie and I'm sure she will look into it for me.  She has fixed it before when that happened.

 

 
 
 
A. Macarthur
Professor Guide
link   seeder  A. Macarthur  replied to  sixpick   8 years ago

Six,

I was referring to the "thumbs down" given to the comment here …

 
 
 
A. Macarthur
Professor Guide
link   seeder  A. Macarthur    8 years ago

I will be posting a new "Peace and Tranquility" discussion later with no editorial component.

For now, I will end my THUMBS UP/DOWN commentary as follows …

Regarding the serial thumbsdowners …

"TO A CHILD WITH A HAMMER, EVERYTHING IS A NAIL!"

The concept known as the law of the instrument, Maslow's hammer, Gavel or a golden hammer [a] is an over-reliance on a familiar tool; as Abraham Maslow said in 1966, "I suppose it is tempting, if the only tool you have is a hammer, to treat everything as if it were a nail."

 
 
 
Dowser
Sophomore Quiet
link   Dowser    8 years ago

I love the picture!  It's beautiful and peaceful!

You spoke of the peace of the woods, and of braving your fears of some of the more ferocious wildlife you may encounter.  Here, in KY, it's not the wildlife I fear, although there is plenty of that to fear, it's the humans, out cooking meth, that scare me...  The Sheriff's Department tells you to never go into the woods alone or unarmed, and that the meth cookers shoot to kill, before you even know they're there.  I hate that things have come to such a level of danger in the woods.  

As far as thumbs up or down, I try not to look.  Seriously.  Most of the thumbs down are just because someone doesn't like you, or doesn't like your politics.  Who needs any more mean-spirited snark in their lives?  Not me!

This article gets a thumbs up from me!

 
 
 
Larry Hampton
Professor Quiet
link   Larry Hampton    8 years ago

Interesting that Thoreau had to go get close to nature in order for him to gather his thoughts on human's and their role in society. Makes perfect sense to me.

Great picture A Mac!

 
 

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