Here are the neo-Nazi origins of Donald Trump Jr.’s ‘warming up the gas chamber’ comment
Donald Trump Jr. subsequently claimed that his bizarre “warming up the gas chamber” comment wasn’t a reference to Holocaust but was a reference to “Capital Punishment.” Now even if he hadn’t tweeted white nationalist memes and we gave him the benefit of the doubt, it would be strange to refer to the gas chamber if he was in fact making a ref erence to “capital punishment.”
Even the alt-right flagship Breitbart doesn’t use terms like “lampshaded” or “shoaed,” whch are references to Nazi’s making lampshades out of human skin and to the Holocaust. There is a white nationalist podcast called “The Daily Shoa.” One YouTuber in particular throws out these terms as often as possible, the YouTube commentator “fascist lemming,” who frequently makes references to getting “lampshaded” or getting “shoaed” anytime something bad happens to him. While Trump Jr. denies that his Holocaust reference is a Holocaust reference, the n eo-Nazi right hears it loud and clear. The extreme right calls this “Meme Magic”, when one of their coded messages makes it out into the mainstream.
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When I tweeted about this yesterday, Trump’s troll army wasn’t terribly confused about what Donald Jr. meant. Here are a few knee-slappers from the Nazi crowd directed at yours truly. Though it’s all probably a coincidence right?
Ooooops!
Oooops for sure.
Personally, I immediately saw the reference to mean American capital punishment since gas chambers were well known to be used in the USA. It didn't even cross my mind that it was a reference to The Holocaust - usually when someone makes a derogatory remark with reference to The Holocaust they don't talk about gas chambers, they talk about the ovens, and images connected with such remarks are those of the ovens, not the gas chambers.
What neo-Nazis see as an interpretation of the comment is not what governs its meaning. Neo-Nazis see the swastika as being a symbol of their creed, but in history it was no such thing. Hey, even an American brigade at the start of WWII used it as their symbol.
I give it the benefit of the doubt. I don't vote in this election, and it has little or no effect of me, so I have no particular favourites, no skin in the game. That enables me to see things perhaps with a little less prejudice than those who profess to be supporters of the Democrats or Republicans.
If I have a bone to pick with the Donald's platform, it would have to do with cancelling NAFTA besides other things, which DOES have an effect on me since it is important to me that Canada's economy be good since it affects the value of my pension.
Meh.
"Meh" to you too. If you have something intelligent to say, then say it. If you don't then so be it.
Good comeback!
I don't play the "meh" card often, but when I do its to see what kind of response it it elicits from theperson being Meh'd.
(And when I do I often do it whistdrining Dos Equis).
But on a more serious note-- have you ever heard o a website called "Cold front"? weather? (please don't type the actual name, Ill explain in next comment)
Do a web search. Delete the word cold and instead first type in the word storm. Then... without skiping a space..
Buzz,
Think back and remember who used to say Meh.
I think it was Dennis.
Somehow I'm not surprised that anything anyone in the Trump camp says is automatically forced into the worst possible meaning by those opposed (even if it is a stretch to get to their interpretation). It's become a game on the media level.
I'd have to agree with Buzz. When I think of the Holocaust I think of ovens, when I think if the Gas Chamber, I think of our older means of Capital Punishment.
The Menace?
What the hell is Meh?
"Meh" is what you say in response to someone making a ridiculous comment. (The implication being that its so ridiculous that its unworthy of a longer response, so you just say "Meh")
In some parts of the country, where a different dialect of English is spoken, people say "Feh".
And in some parts of the country that's aren't so PC, they just say, ''fuck off''
And in some parts of the country that's aren't so PC, they just say, ''fuck off''
Well, those folks are more honest....
Actually "Meh" is mostly used on the Internet in political discussions, where many participants aren't particularly bright, so they can't think of anything else to say. So they say "Meh". (Or by some teenage girls...).
Well said, Buzz.
Well said, Buzz.
Meh!
Personally, I immediately saw the reference to mean American capital punishment since gas chambers were well known to be used in the USA. It didn't even cross my mind that it was a reference to The Holocaust - usually when someone makes a derogatory remark with reference to The Holocaust they don't talk about gas chambers, they talk about the ovens...
Perhaps to a Canadian, or Chinese, or Australian, or german or whatever,,,but to this good ol' mid Western American, I know EXACTLY, with out a doubt that this refers to, and is meant to refer to, the Holocaust. And it's deplorable.
I gotta agree with you, Lar.
What do the Holocaust deniers specifically declare never existed? They deny that the ovens existed, they don't deny specifically that the gas chambers existed.
That dear Buzz, is because you are not born, raised and engulfed in American linguistic style and colloquialism. I promise you sir, that 90% of popular American culture today immediately recognizes the term "gas-chamber" as being a particular word describing an event that happened during the Holocaust, not the word "oven". Perhaps in your history or culture that is not the case, but I humbly submit to you that you are incorrect in this case about American interpretations and word usage. This is a point of semantics, and it's important to get that correct here.
The armchair quarterbacks got it wrong he said he was talking about capital punishment. You can take his word right from the horses mouth or choose to believe the people that hate him.
I'm waiting to hear him tell us whether or not refugees are allowed to bring skittles into the gas chamber.
You can also call bullshit manure after the fact, which neither changes it's intent or intensive meaning.
What you read into it is your responsibility not his.
And let's not forget what the honourable David Duke reads into Trump's ideas:
On his radio program today , white nationalist leader David Duke celebrated Donald Trump’s “amazing victory” in the Indiana primary, which allowed him to become the presumptive Republican nominee for president, hailing Trump for terrifying wealthy “Jewish extremists” and exposing the “Jewish supremacists who control our country.”
Trump, who earlier this year briefly refused to reject Duke’s endorsement, has been a favorite of white nationalist leaders like Duke, who predicted that the GOP presidential candidate will rehabilitate the image of Adolf Hitler .
(I'm waiting ptiently for Buzz to come along and explain that DBuke really didn't mean what he said. or that he relly didn't say it. Or... (i'm sure he;ll find a way).
The former KKK leader said that Republican elites have been working to undermine Trump just as they worked against him when he ran for governor of Louisiana as a Republican in 1991. He particularly took issue with Trump’s former Republican rival Ted Cruz taking money from a “Jewish leftist commie,” arguing that Jewish financiers are bent on “destroying the Republican Party” by targeting people like Trump and himself.
"..arguing that Jewish financiers are bent on “destroying the Republican Party” by targeting people like Trump and himself...." . . . Well in that case he happens to be right. Even a totally stopped clock like Duke is right 1 1/2 times a day!
GO "JEWISH FINANCIERS"! PEACE BE UPON YOU!
I wish you Godspeed in your efforts to reveal the truth about the Donald!
The truth is out there.....let it ring...from the hollowed hills of Newstalkers...to the many veneered wavy fields of grain in Trump Tower ...!!!
After you type in the first word...then,without skipping a space, type in the word front. TYpe in both words, no space. (I''m being a bit paranoid but trust me its for a reason). And do not type in those two words in the same comment on NT
I'm fully aware of the web site to which you refer. I don't read its anti-Semitic neo-Nazi garbage nor do I want to waste my time doing so.
SInce you're so aware of what they're saying,,what do you think of their comments re the current election? (As I sure you're aware, they are all in agreement,so you don't have to worry about looking for diverse opinions)
Don't put words in my mouth or twist what I say, please. I said I was aware of the site - I did NOT say I was aware of what they are saying about this election, but I assume from your comment that they must be supportive of Trump. Who cares? That doesn't make Trump supportive of them.
It seems these days that not only do we get blamed for what we say, but also for what we don't say.
If you type in those two words and search it will take you to the largest skinhead (white racist & neo-nazi) website on the 'net. Reading some of the comments there you can get great insight into the American election as they are quite frank. Insight you can not get elsewhere.
Enjoy!
YEP!!!! Some people are just in Denial of Who their Leader The TDUMPSTER really is..
Why is this even an issue?? He's not running for office - he's not in any position of power or decision making. This is nothing more than just a "Hey, let's throw it on the wall and see if it sticks"
Getting old.
I couldn't agree more, 1st. I alluded to the same in my comment above. You said it far more succinctly.
Donald Trump's children have been used to praise him (they "reflect well" on their dad, so they say) so it is only obvious that their gaffes and mistakes will be brought up also.
Why is this even an issue?? He's not running for office - he's not in any position of power or decision making. This is nothing more than just a "Hey, let's throw it on the wall and see if it sticks"
Getting old.
I mean, what else do they have?
"For a while it was reasonable to believe that once people really understood who Trump is, Clinton would win in a landslide. We know now that won't happen. In fact, as we've learned more about Trump and he's been out campaigning longer, it has turned out that he's a thousand times worse than anyone imagined when this all began—not just a buffoon, not just an ignoramus, not just shallow and cruel and stupid, but a figure as sinister as anyone in contemporary public life. When he began the race, even informed people had no idea how many grifts like Trump University he has pulled, or that he'd give so much aid and comfort to white supremacists, or that his foundation is itself a scam, or that he'd think he could continue to make money from hundreds of overseas partnerships but never release his tax returns so that we can understand the scope of his conflicts of interests, or that he was not just a guy who liked to exaggerate but a positively pathological liar. At first we found him ridiculous and comical, but we didn't know the half of it.
Yet here we are, seven weeks from election day with the race essentially tied. There will almost certainly be more Trump scandals, but they won't change anything. There is no gaffe Trump will commit, no outrageous statement he'll make, no new disclosure from examinations of his businesses, that will undo his campaign. When it comes to Trump, nothing matters anymore.
It isn't that Trump's supporters are untroubled by his reversals and lies. It isn't that they put them aside in favor of a greater purpose. No, they love it . They cackle in glee and revel in their part in the greatest scam of all. Meanwhile, Hillary Clinton's supporters toss and turn at night wondering if she's trustworthy enough because she doesn't rush to inform reporters every time she's feeling sick.
In a few days some pollster will come out with a survey showing that half of the public believes that Hillary Clinton started the birther controversy, despite all the fact-checks and all the emphatic assertions from journalists that it just isn't true, and despite Trump's five years promoting that noxious, racist lie. Never has the truth mattered less."
That guys opinion reads like he was one of the unfortunate ones to eat the brown acid at Woodstock. Get a load of this delusional thinking. "For a while it was reasonable to believe that once people really understood who Trump is, Clinton would win in a landslide."
He must be good at something, he read your mind.
It isn't that Trump's supporters are untroubled by his reversals and lies. It isn't that they put them aside in favor of a greater purpose. No, they love it.
He's good at being wrong. Those of us that were right never thought.
"For a while it was reasonable to believe that once people really understood who Trump is, Clinton would win in a landslide."
Those of us that were right never thought.
How true.
1st, Spike I suggest that if you feel that it's not relevant then the articles ''throwing shit at the wall'' re Clinton or anyone remotely associated with her should not be here either.
You can't have it both ways.
So, the next thing to be posted by his babysitter's cousin's aunt's mother is also going to be pertinent?
Trump and Clinton are the candidates. Ya'll need to understand that. The words, comments of others of no value or standing in the candidacy are total crap as they have no bearing on the candidates themselves.
Smear???? Oh yeah - nothing else to do today, eh?
What, are you the great protector of Trump, and the so called smears, 1st?
Yet you have nothing to say about the smears of Clinton...double standard, eh.
Nope. Understand this. Trump Jr. is NOTHING is this dog fight. He is no candidate. He is no contender. He isn't even wearing gloves nor does he have a belt-buckle.
Brump and Killary/Billary are the candidates - I totally disdain/dislike/despise both of them because both are liars, cheats, users and abusers. BUT, they are the candidates, not Brumps waiter or cook or driver or cousin or gardener or accountant or his stupid, spoiled rotten children. No matter what others say, the words are not the candidates.
Clinton deserves all the smears she can get because she has/is violating so damn many laws it makes one's head swim - and Brump ain't far behind her. But I haven't seen slam one on Killary/Billary 'bout something her relatives/cooks/gardener's/drivers have said or dreamed or wrote or mentioned while taking a piss.
Double standards???? C'mon folks. If you're gonna do Brump - do Killary/Billary too.