Pro-Life Win: CA Nursing Board Tells Pro-Abortion Advocates To Stuff It

“The new decision permits Heartbeat to immediately resume offering CEU credit for an online course and for a workshop at its 2018 conference titled, “The Latest on Abortion Pill Reversal,” taught by Dr. George Delgado — one of two physicians who pioneered the treatment starting in 2007.

Heartbeat president Jor-El Godsey, who had referred to the Board’s decision in September as a “naked political attack,” was relieved that the Board resisted the pressure from pro-abortion forces. He stated, “Whatever a person’s stance on abortion, knowledge of this critical protocol is too important to withhold from nurses. We're glad that the Board of Nursing acted in the best interest of their noble and caring profession today.”

'resisted the pressure from pro-abortion forces.'

NO ONE IS PRO-ABORTION.  WE ARE PRO-CHOICE!

If they were pro choice they wouldn’t be opposing the education in the use of an antidote to ru-486.  They are opposing a woman’s choice to change her mind and preserve her child’s life.  

If they were pro choice they wouldn’t be opposing the education in the use of an antidote to ru-486.

"The only problem, according to several doctors I spoke to, is that there is scant medical evidence that the procedure works. Based only on anecdotal accounts from pro-life doctors and a small case study, the abortion pill reversal protocol is experimental at best, they say."

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So no pro-choice Americans are blocking this because it works, they just want evidence that it's not some snake oil giving false hope to women and making money off vulnerable women.

"The leading medical association for obstetricians and gynecologists wrote of the 2015 Arizona bill: “claims of medication abortion reversal are not supported by the body of scientific evidence.” In a review of the literature on mifepristone, Dr. Daniel Grossman and others point out that Delgado’s study did not have approval from an institutional review board, which usually monitors research involving human subjects. Nor does the study actually make the case that the women’s pregnancies continued because of the mifepristone; as Grossman explains, taking mifepristone alone—without misoprostol—can result in a continued pregnancy up to 46 percent of the time, depending on the dosage and the gestational age of the fetus. In other words, doing nothing after taking mifepristone might be as effective as the progesterone doses ."

SAN FRANCISCO (CNS) -- As soon as Rebekah Chaveste swallowed the first pill of the RU-486 abortion regimen at a Planned Parenthood clinic, she regretted it.
"I was crying and I was alone," recalled Chaveste, a 20-year-old college student who lives in the Sacramento area.
"Thank God for smartphones," she told Catholic San Francisco. Sitting in her car outside Planned Parenthood, "I googled RU-486" and found a website for RU-486 reversals, www.abortionpillreversal.com.
Chaveste thought it was fake but called anyway and even though the website was for an organization based in San Diego, the woman at the end of the telephone found a doctor nearby to help her, Chaveste recalled.
Abortionpillreversal.com is a website of Culture of Life Family Services, which has a nurse on call 24/7, a toll-free telephone number (877) 558-0333, and a network of 200 participating physicians around the country.
Chaveste was able to save her unborn baby -- because of a recently developed medical protocol that has been able to save more than half of babies whose mothers had been administered the first pill for a RU-486 chemical abortion and received the reversal therapy.
Chaveste's son Zechariah turns 1 Oct. 20.
Women undergoing medical, rather than surgical, abortions in the first nine weeks of pregnancy take two courses of the pill 48 hours apart.
"The conventional wisdom of the abortion industry is that there is no way to stop the RU-486 procedure once it is started. This, however, turns out to be false. Chemical abortions can be reversed and the procedure has been effective in more than 23 states to date, including California," said Vicki Evans, Archdiocese of San Francisco respect life coordinator.
The San Diego-based Abortion Pill Reversal Program also has helped women in six foreign countries.
"There have been more than 50 deliveries of healthy babies with no birth defects after the reversal protocol and more than 100 other women are pregnant with apparently normal pregnancies after successful reversals," said Dr. George Delgado, medical director of Culture of Life and its Abortion Pill Reversal Program.
Delgado is co-author with Bay Area obstetrician Dr. Mary Davenport of a medical journal article on RU-486 reversals, "Progesterone Use to Reverse the Effects of Mifepristone," published in the December 2012 issue of The Annals of Pharmacotherapy. Delgado developed the protocol now in use.
Davenport, of El Sobrante, is immediate past president of the American Association of Pro-Life Obstetricians and Gynecologists.
The RU-486 medical abortion procedure is a two-day regimen used to terminate early pregnancies by blocking the hormone progesterone needed to sustain a pregnancy. It involves two types of medication -- RU-486 itself, which is mifepristone, and a prostaglandin, known as misoprostol, that stimulates uterine contractions, and taken two days later to expel the fetus.
Misoprostol has been shown to cause birth defects in a small number of women, Davenport told Catholic San Francisco, newspaper of the Archdiocese of San Francisco.
Women who choose medical abortion and regret it within the first two days before they take the second drug have a chance to save their baby, she said.
The RU-486 reversal procedure has been successful in 59 percent of cases from May 2012 to June 2014, according to statistics collected by the Abortion Pill Reversal Program, which is headed by nurse manager Debbie Bradel, along with Delgado.
For the reversal, doctors administer mega-doses of progesterone to counter the effects of RU-486. These big doses act as an antidote to mifepristone, replacing the progesterone that the mifepristone blocks.
Davenport and Delgado are both trained in NaPro Technology, a pro-life fertility method, at the Pope Paul VI Institute for the Study of Human Reproduction in Omaha, Nebraska.
Since RU-486 was approved by the federal Food and Drug Administration in 2000, the number of medical abortions rose to account for about 23 percent of all abortions in 2011, according to the Guttmacher Institute's July 2014 abortion fact sheet.
There are about 200,000 RU-486 abortions each year in the U.S.
Although Planned Parenthood tells women, and states on its website, that trying to halt the RU-486 procedure will result in a deformed baby, that does not appear to be true in the babies born after progesterone RU-486 reversal therapy, Davenport and Delgado said.
"The medical literature does not reflect that RU-486 causes birth defects and we know that progesterone reversal therapy does not cause birth defects," Delgado said.
Dr. Matthew Harrison, a pro-life doctor in Charlotte, North Carolina, was the first to successfully reverse RU-486 about eight years ago for 20-year-old Ashley. Ashley and her little daughter appeared at the March for Life in Washington, D.C., last January.
The St. Juan Diego Women's Center in San Jose has launched a campaign to publicize the RU-486 reversal program outside Planned Parenthood clinics. "We stand outside the abortion clinics and tell them it is not too late to change their minds," said St. Juan Diego sidewalk counselor Patsy Gonzalez.
The RU-486 reversal protocol has energized the center's volunteers, many of whom are Spanish-speakers and reach out to the Latino women who come to the clinics, Gonzalez said. "A core strategy of St. Juan Diego is to develop sidewalk counselors outside the abortion mills," Gonzalez said. "Your chances of helping a woman are much better outside the abortion mills."   http://www.catholicnews.com/services/englishnews/2014/program-offers-women-regimen-to-reverse-ru-486-abortion-in-first-stages.cfm

I believe this issue has already been ruled on by the Supreme Court back in 1973.

While I myself do not believe in abortion for the purpose of birth control (though I do not think ill of any that may), an abortion under any circumstances is not the cavalier decision as it is often portrayed. Having said that, since I myself do not possess a vagina on my person that is the extent of my input, that is to say that it is not only a woman's choice but her right.

But in truth the solution for all is rather simple, if you are against abortion then don't have one. In the meantime the right of choice is the law of the land.

'While I myself do not believe in abortion for the purpose of birth control (though I do not think ill of any that may)'

I don't believe the majority of women 'use abortion for the purpose of birth control' - most women - abortion is not something that they're happy about - but a decision that they come to when all else has failed.  Like you said - not a cavalier decision that women come to.  

Otherwise - I agree with everything you say.  Abortion is not an easy choice but the choice of the woman and her doctor - NO ONE ELSE.  AND IT'S LEGAL!  

I do not believe it is used regularly for such either, but I wanted to be forthcoming with my thoughts.

Abortion really isn’t the issue.  The issue is the attempt to prevent people the option to change their mind about ru 486 after initially taking it.  

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The Handmaid’s Fail
A spate of poorly vetted news articles about a purported "abortion pill reversal" procedure included misleading and potentially dangerous information.

The pill in Rebekah Buell's hand was only the size of a dime, but it felt bone-crushingly heavy as she looked at it through her tears.

"Just because you're sad doesn't mean you're making the wrong decision," said the Planned Parenthood counselor by her side.

The words looped through her mind; Buell should ignore her emotions temporarily to solve her problems for a lifetime.

Just suck it up, she told herself. It's going to be over soon. So she swallowed the pill.

Instead of relief, however, she felt instant regret. Walking to her car outside the Sacramento, Calif., facility that day, she used her cell phone like a life raft, frantically googling for a way to undo the harm she had just committed with that one reluctant gulp.

What she found in March 2013 launched her into a small but growing company of women who have successfully reversed their pill-induced chemical abortions and delivered healthy babies through a groundbreaking technique called Abortion Pill Reversal (APR).

A Changed Mind

Dr. Matthew Harrison, a soft-spoken 50-year-old family physician in Salisbury, N.C., has always considered himself pro-life. For nine years, he offered free prenatal care to abortion-vulnerable women outside abortion facilities. Currently, the full-time director of a nearby hospitalist program is opening several prenatal clinics in the Charlotte area, as well as helping several pregnancy resource centers (PRC) achieve full medical-clinic status by adding ultrasound machines and trained sonography staff.

Still, Harrison was an unknown on the national pro-life scene in 2006; the recent Presbyterian-to-Catholic convert simply protected preborn babies whenever he got the chance.

And as it happened, the chance of a lifetime walked through his office door one Friday afternoon.

A 20-year-old aspiring nurse named Ashley was seven weeks pregnant and desperate to turn the clock back 36 hours. That's when, at the urging of her boyfriend, she had taken the first of the two pills that would chemically abort her child.

First came the mifepristone (also known as Mifeprex) to starve her growing fetus of progesterone—a critical pregnancy hormone that preborn babies require to live and grow. Ashley, despite her reservations, had taken that at an abortion facility. If she had followed instructions, she then would have swallowed a second pill called misoprostol (sometimes labeled as Cytotec) approximately two days later. This chemical compound causes intense uterine contractions, eventually expelling the dead baby anywhere from four hours to several days afterward.

But Ashley didn't follow instructions. She didn't really want an abortion and had only taken the mifepristone out of pressured desperation. So she called the abortionist and asked if it was too late. Yes, he told her: Your baby will die even if you don't finish this abortion. Or if it survives, it will have physical or mental birth defects—or both.

Ashley pressed on, confessing her actions to her mother. Together, they called a local PRC, which then called Harrison. He agreed to see her, thinking he could only offer verbal comfort.

Finding the Key

At that time, RU-486 had been legal in France for 18 years. It gained legal traction and popularity around Europe throughout the 1990s and was approved by the U.S. Food & Drug Administration in September 2000. Hailed as convenient and private, doctors typically prescribe RU-486 up to 63 days (nine weeks) after a woman's last menstrual cycle.

Handing a woman two pills is easier than performing an invasive surgical abortion—and according to Planned Parenthood, still lucrative at up to $800 a prescription. The Guttmacher Institute, a pro-abortion research group, says 59 percent of American abortionists offered RU-486 in 2011, with 17 percent using it as their sole abortion method. Similarly, 23 percent of all nonhospital abortions and 36 percent of early first-trimester abortions stemmed from RU-486 that same year.

In 2001, Guttmacher reported that a mere 6 percent of abortion-minded females took the pills. But by 2011, the most recent year for which statistics are available, the abortion pill accounted for 23 percent of all abortions in the U.S. (around 200,000 procedures), even as the overall number of abortions dropped.

Harrison had never before seen a pregnant woman halfway through an RU-486 abortion. So he prayed.

"This is not something taught in medical school or residency," he wrote in a 2013 article for LifeSiteNews. "In fact, we were taught that just about any problem in the first trimester is essentially untreatable to save the baby, to let nature take its course.

"But this wasn't nature, and I had this gnawing feeling that something could be done."

He reminded himself of how mifepristone works. It's what scientists call a "receptor antagonist." Essentially, mifepristone employs chemical trickery, making the woman's body think it's progesterone. By attaching itself to a progesterone receptor, but not actually having any progesterone to give, mifepristone starves the placenta—the tissue that feeds preborn babies—of nutrition.

"(Mifepristone) … fills the progesterone receptor with a key that will not turn the lock," Harrison wrote. "It is a very effective blocker, and there was no known antidote."

That's when he remembered his research in basic protein receptor biology. If he could inundate Ashley's system with progesterone—"the 'good' keys," he says—could he possibly beat the mifepristone and fill the receptors with "working keys"?

After explaining the risks (it might not work, it had never been done, possible bleeding, etc.), Harrison injected his new patient with 200 milligrams of progesterone and prayed for the best.

"She showed so much bravery in saying, 'I don't care if there's a risk, I will do whatever I can to help save my baby's life,' " he tells Citizen.

Though Ashley did bleed that weekend, her daughter's heart kept beating. After seeing Harrison for twice-weekly progesterone injections until her twenty-eighth week of pregnancy, Ashley delivered Kaylie—a full-term, healthy girl with no defects or complications. Kaylie is now eight years old and in third grade.

Without realizing it, Harrison had found the key to giving first-trimester babies an eleventh-hour reprieve.

Team Building

Three years later and three thousand miles away in Escondido, Calif., Dr. George Delgado received a similarly frantic phone call.

A pregnant woman in El Paso, Texas, had taken mifepristone, and like Buell and Ashley, had changed her mind. Could Delgado help her?

Delgado, a 53-year-old Catholic family physician, thought he could—and though he had never heard of Harrison or the RU-486 reversal method, he found a doctor in Texas who was familiar with progesterone therapy. Together, they built a protocol for the woman, who eventually delivered a healthy child.

That success set Delgado to thinking. As the medical director of Culture of Life Family Services (COLFS) in San Diego County, he consistently used pro-life principles in his medical practice. Why not expand those offerings with APR?

The Abortion Pill Reversal Team, which Delgado put together, is a network of 270 doctors nationwide, including Harrison, that has helped 297 women from 45 states and 13 countries attempt to reverse their chemical abortions. So far, Harrison says, 108 of those women have given birth, and another 70 are continuing healthfully in their pregnancies (the remaining 119 miscarried). That translates into an approximate 60 percent success rate.

Despite abortionists' dire predictions, the worst defect a post-APR child has suffered so far has been a port-wine stain birthmark.

"The gratitude (the women) express of even having the option of reversal—it's really wonderful," Delgado tells Citizen. "If we are able to successfully reverse (the abortion), their feelings of sadness and remorse and guilt often go away, replaced by love and commitment and acceptance of God's plan. It's a beautiful thing to be a part of a transformation like that."

The process starts when a woman, typically halfway through her RU-486 regimen, changes her mind and finds the APR team, usually online. She calls the 24-hour hotline staffed by eight nurses. The one taking the call discusses the woman's situation, including how long ago she ingested the mifepristone—hopefully 24 hours or less—and her location.

The APR team then contacts the closest doctor in the network to take the case. Treatment involves having the woman take the progesterone orally, vaginally or by injection, usually every day until the end of the first trimester. If the process fails, she normally miscarries two weeks later.

APR Nurse Manager Debbie Bradel, RN, says the team has only failed in "a handful of cases" to find a doctor willing to perform the reversal.

"If we had a bell in here, I would ring it every time (a reversal baby is born)," she told a weekly pro-life TV show this June. She and her team have fielded 850 calls since the hotline opened in May 2012.

COLFS, a registered nonprofit, covers the cost of APR for women whose insurance doesn't cover the service, or for those who can't pay.

Pushback

In December 2012, Delgado co-authored an article detailing a small study on APR in The Annals of Pharmacotherapy, a peer-reviewed journal. "I'm always surprised when I give talks how many people don't know (about APR), even prolife medical professionals," he says.

To that end, the team has created kits for APR-trained physicians. Each one outlines the protocol and contains standard medical and consent forms, as well as instructions for obtaining the tools necessary for administering progesterone. Medical professionals must purchase and keep their own progesterone.

The APR network has grown so much since 2012 that Arizona and Arkansas passed laws this year requiring abortionists to inform women that chemical abortion might be reversible. Arkansas' law took effect in July, while Arizona's is currently in litigation (see sidebar).

That resulting media and political awareness has brought opposition and criticism from the scientific community, with many calling it "junk science."

"Medical people can be skeptical when anything new comes along," Delgado says. "I respect that. But others refuse to have an open mind. If we acknowledge that women do change their minds, that is evidence itself that abortion isn't always a good thing like they say."

Delgado and Harrison, who together have personally reversed chemical abortions for about a dozen women so far, are currently working on a second case-study article for medical journals. They plan to conduct a longitudinal study on APR in the future.

Buell, who is now a 21-year-old senior at William Jessup University in Rocklin, Calif., wants everyone she meets to know about APR, its potential and how the team helped her. After calling Bradel and finding a doctor, Buell, already a mother of one, began twice-weekly progesterone treatments. On Oct. 20, 2013, she gave birth to a completely healthy boy named Zechariah, and now talks about her reversal story "every day," both informally and through official speeches at PRCs , churches and the National March for Life.

"My main goal is to instill hope in these girls, even ones who have the abortion," Buell tells Citizen. "I want to tell them, 'You can do it, you don't need abortion, you don't need to kill your child to succeed in life. Having a child isn't going to ruin your life; it's just going to change it."

In the current political climate, Delgado realizes his work may not be popular. Someday, however, he believes both the sound science of APR and worth of preborn babies will be acknowledged.

"People are going to look back and say, 'This group of doctors had a lot of foresight,'" he says. "'They were faithful, they didn't bend to the whims of society. They stood up for life. Because of them, babies' lives have been saved.' "    https://www.focusonthefamily.com/socialissues/citizen-magazine/reversal-of-fortunes/reversal-of-fortunes

RU 486 is the antidote for a problem.  Now some are pushing an antidote for the antidote?

Uncontrolled Overpopulation is the biggest problem in the world

So if a woman takes ru 486 there’s no going back? No choice to change her mind?  

Unless some busybody bothers her, how many times does that happen?

If she chooses to she can still get pregnant later 

So if a woman takes ru 486 there’s no going back? No choice to change her mind?  

So if a woman takes ru 486 there’s no going back? No choice to change her mind?

That's her choice, not yours. It's really not that difficult of a concept. 

And I’m advocating for her to be able make that choice to change her mind after using RU 486.  

And if she does.....how does her choice affect YOUR life directly, or even indirectly? Does it make YOU look like a 'sinner'? Does it affect your family directly? Does it mean you will have to stand before the Creator and answer for her own choice? Please share with us how the decision any woman makes regarding her own body that is not directly related to you in any way affect your OWN life. I for own would really like to know.

If not, then why do you care, if not other than to try to condemn someone who does not share YOUR own personal beliefs? Why do you endlessly condemn someone you have no basic knowledge of for their own choices regarding their own body? 

If not, then why do you care

It's all about control. They don't really care about abortion, they just want to be able to exercise control over women... That's what it's really all about. 

In addition to control, they feel they have to right force their own religious beliefs and morals on others, and condemn those who do not adhere to them.

I respect that people have the right to choose their own beliefs, but, I do not accept their attempts to judge me by them, or anyone else. 

I know no woman that has had an abortion who has ever danced in the street with joy afterwards. And I do know a few personally. Those who choose to try to make it sound like joyful event are those who have never had one. They have no right to condemn.

Very well said!

I don’t recall condemning anyone here other than those who would prevent the ru 486 antidote from being a choice women can make. 

You and others who think their being a Christian gives them the right to meddle in other women's life choices about their body. Whether or not they want to take the anti-abortion pill is their business. And......there have been a good many women over the centuries who have tried to sel-abort and it failed. If a child is meant to live it will live, it not, it will die in or out of the womb. 

That you endlessly post seeds about abortion to keep the pot stirred says a great deal about your intent. It is not your business, not your call to make, and it is not one else's either. And yet, you and others think that you have the right to sit in judgement of others and decide what they should or should not do. This seed is just one more of the intrusion into women's life choices that it none of your or anyone else's business, it is only to keep the pot stirred. 

As a Christian, didn't you ever read the part that says, "Judge not, lest ye be judged"? Everyone of these seeds is simply intended to incite others to sit in judgement when they have no right to do so. Nor do you.

Amen to every bit of that...

This seed isn’t about abortion.  It’s about the attempt of the pro abortion lobby to prevent women from having the choice to change her mind once she takes an RU-486 pill.  

Welll....you see.....the women I know, and I feel sure that there are many others, when they have made the decision to abort, for whatever their personal reason for that decision, they are not likely to change their mind. That is the fallacy of the whole thing, and something that obviously the meddlers in other people's business where they have no right to be don't understand.

No one I know of or ever heard of has ever gone out dancing in the streets to celebrate their abortion. To most it is a very soul searching and heart wrenching decision to make to start with, but, once the decision is made it would be unlikely that they would change their mind at that point. So trying to make an issue of their own decision based on someone else's judgement is way out of line. And again.....IT IS NOT THEIR CALL TO MAKE. 

So basically, whether or not the pill to abort the abortion is available or not at that point in the process is really pretty mute. And I feel sure that IF there was someone who wished to negate their decision, there would be ways to obtain the pill to do so without having to rely on any one organization to do so. It is a PERSONAL, PRIVATE matter, no one else has any right to interfere with their right to do so. I don't care what their personal or religious beliefs are. If the pill exists, then it should be freely available to anyone who wishes to use it. No one has the right deny them access to it. IT IS NOT THEIR CALL TO MAKE.

It don't much simpler than that. 

“This decision allows us to continue to spread the word that it is possible to reverse the abortion pill. It also supports our endeavor to further equip the pro-life medical community to serve as agents of hope to our hotline callers desperately seeking a second chance at life for their unborn. The “second choice” we offer women who change their minds after taking mifepristone not only gives their unborn babies a fighting chance, it also provides an avenue for emotional and spiritual healing. We are grateful to Heartbeat International for their tireless efforts to make Abortion Pill Reversal accessible to pro-life advocates and to the women they serve”

That is all well and good for your and pro-life supporter's own personal conscience. It's like Christians who feel it is their calling to spread the word they personally believe in and condemn those who don't agree. 

As far as I know, from those who have been down that road, those who choose to have an abortion are fully counseled by professionals on all aspects of the procedure and the things that are available to them, before and after the procedure, including the pill that the anti-abortion groups are trying to impose themselves into other people's lives to supposedly spread the word about. 

However, there are always those who feel the need to impose their own beliefs and opinions on others when it is none of their own business, and condemn those who do not accept their beliefs or views. 

pro abortion

Doesn't exist. 

Who needs a pill to miscarry?  God will do it for you.

as many as 50% of all pregnancies end in miscarriage

He makes the abortion statistics pale in comparison.

Indeed. 

God, the great abortionist. 

So, you guys admit that He exists after all.   

So, you guys admit that He exists after all.

So you admit it's a He and He's a mass murderer (by your definition). 

Father and son would likely indicate a he.  As for the rest, it’s just ridiculous.  This world is sinful and for now the evil one roams freely here.  Miscarriages are simply one of many effects of sin in this now imperfect world.  The only time you atheists believe there is a god is when something bad happens as they’d rather blame Him than the atheists true master, Satan.  Because of sin and free will bad people do bad things that harm good people.  

Miscarriages are simply one of many effects of sin in this now imperfect world.

Wow, your comments are getting more and more absurd with each post. That one is just too funny.

The only time you atheists believe there is a god is when something bad happens as they’d rather blame Him than the atheists true master, Satan.

That's a contradiction in terms. Atheists by definition do not believe there is a god (or Satan), regardless of what happens. So implying atheists believe in or follow any supernatural entity is at best erroneous, and at worst willfully dishonest!

Because of sin and free will bad people do bad things that harm good people.

Sin is just a silly religious concept. Besides, if there was a god (which you have never been able to prove), there would be no such thing as free will.

Miscarriages are simply one of many effects of sin in

so the Devil causes miscarriages?

so the Devil causes miscarriages?

Of course. Isn't that obvious? >sarc< 

Besides, I have yet to hear one theist explain exactly what the devil has done that is so bad, especially compared to all the evil god has committed.

Father and son would likely indicate a he.

Why would a sky fairy need a penis?   Is it so he can rape virgins like so many Bronze-age deities do?

Is it so he can rape virgins like so many Bronze-age deities do?

If I recall correctly, Zeus was quite the womanizer himself. 

How could a being you claim not to even exist have committed any evil?  

How could a being you claim not to even exist have committed any evil?

You're the one who brought up the sin and Satan nonsense. I'm simply stooping to your level and pointing out a logical flaw with your brand of BS. So, care to answer my question? Or are you going to continue to deflect?

This seed is about how a woman now has the choice to stop an abortion midstream if she chooses to change her mind and protect her baby.  

This seed is about how a woman now has the choice to stop an abortion midstream if she chooses to change her mind and protect her baby.

Yes, and? You're the one who mentioned religious nonsense in the first place. So essentially, you initiated the derail of your own seed, and when challenged, you try to divert back, which is clearly another attempt at a dodge.

There is no logical flaw in our faith in God and understanding that Satan rebelled against him creating sin which humanity fell for.  There is nothing God ever did that was evil or wasn’t perfectly fair and just.  

I’m not the one who compared an evil act, the killing of a human baby 👶 by abortion with a sadly natural act that can occur, a miscarriage.  An atheist claiming that a God he doesn’t believe exists is killing babies 👶 via miscarriages He causes is what originally disrupted this seed.  

I’m not the one who compared an evil act, the killing of a human baby 👶 by abortion

Nice attempt at an appeal to emotion. But there are no babies in an abortion and abortion itself is a medical procedure. Whether you consider it "evil" or not is a matter of opinion, but otherwise irrelevant!

with a sadly natural act that can occur, a miscarriage. An atheist claiming that a God he doesn’t believe exists is killing babies 👶 via miscarriages He causes is what originally disrupted this seed.

If you are of the belief that events, natural or otherwise, is the will/act of god, then miscarriage is god's abortion. 

There is no logical flaw in our faith in God and understanding that Satan rebelled against him creating sin which humanity fell for.

Sure there is. It's completely devoid of logic and rationality. It's also nothing more than your own mere belief. And it sure seems like god is blaming humanity because of Satan's rebellion.

There is nothing God ever did that was evil or wasn’t perfectly fair and just.

So god committing genocide by flooding the world, ordering the murder of firstborn children, unleashing plagues on populations, destroying a coupe cities, and just overall smiting of people (assuming you go by the bible) is not evil but far and just? Your god has a warped sense of justice. And you seem to just make excuses for him. I'm still waiting to hear what Satan has done that even remotely compares to all that.

And after the 3rd coming per Revelation and judgement day everyone not saved is going to see their lives flash before their eyes along with where they passed up opportunities where they could have been saved.  Then every knee will bow and all will acknowledge that God was fair and just in dealing with each of them.  Then Satan rallies them as they realize what they lost and they attack the Holy City and the battle ends with the wicked consumed in the fires 🔥 of hell.  Then the earth 🌏 is recreated as it was in the beginning and a peaceful and happy eternity resumes for those saved people.  The thing is that the people in the time of the flood had every opportunity to change their ways and be saved that we do now and so did all the people In Canaan when Israel returned to the land after 500 years away.  In the last days as in Egypt there will Again be plagues and the response by those targeted by them will again be to blaspheme and curse God rather than to repent.  

yeah yeah, "the end is near, god will judge/punish you, Satan will swallow your soul," blah blah blah. Spare me the proselytizing nonsense! Your belief is of no interest to me.

The same medication that can prevent an abortion after the first dose of RU-486 is been used to mitigate against miscarriages for over 50 years.  Now that it can be used to stop an abortion in the middle of one by pills if a woman uses her power of choice to do so, are you all in the abortion industry going to try to ban that drug too to take a woman’s right choose to keep her baby after all away from her?  

So a woman takes the emergency pill to prevent pregnancy, and you think it sounds like a safe idea to take another pill to undo the impact the first pill will have on the earliest, most fragile stage of a pregnancy that only has a 50/50 chance of making it in the first place?  You are nuts.  That is a recipe for birth defects.

There is no evidence of that so far.  The medication was designed to mitigate against a miscarriage.  

There is no evidence of that so far.

You've never worked from evidence in your life so why try to pretend you are now. 

That is a recipe for birth defects.

Makes as much sense as taking an sleeping pill and then NoDoz.  Going to foul things up

There is no evidence of that so far. The medication was designed to mitigate against a miscarriage.

There's no evidence that the medication can reverse the effects of an abortifacient, as I have already pointed out. So if you want to discuss evidence, you better be prepared to provide some.

The treatment simply provides back to the baby what the pill had cut off from him/her.  There is no risk of defect other than death if the procedure is not successful which would have happened anyway.  The chance for defects to happen is when a baby somehow survives both the RU-486 pills and is born.  

The treatment simply provides back to the baby what the pill had cut off from him/her. There is no risk of defect other than death if the procedure is not successful which would have happened anyway. The chance for defects to happen is when a baby somehow survives both the RU-486 pills and is born.

Where's your evidence from a credible, peer reviewed source to prove all that? Because the  American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists (ACOG) seem to disagree with you.

Why do you, or any one else, care what a woman chooses to do with her own body? Does it somehow interfere with your own life or anyone else's life if a woman chooses to terminate her pregnancy for her own reasons?

I don't think anyone has the right to judge any woman who chooses to do so based on their OWN personal religious or personal reasons.

In a nutshell......the woman's decision lies between her and the Creator. Only He has the right to judge her. 

All this endless public prosecution of anyone who chooses to have an abortion is just another reason to keep the hate pot stirred between the masses.  

For anyone to think that they have the right to sit in judgement of anyone else based on their own religious or personal beliefs is putting themselves in the place of the Creator. It is not their call to make. However, that does not stop people from thinking they have the right to do so, even though it will not even affect their own life.

If those who feel they have the right to judge and condemn others would pay as much attention to cleaning up their OWN front yard the world would be much more at peace. 

Is it your call to make to deny a woman the anti dote to RU-486 if she chooses to change her mind?  Please don’t derail my seed and make it about anything else.  Stay on the topic which is not about access to abortion.  

Is it your call to make to deny a woman the anti dote to RU-486 if she chooses to change her mind?

This from someone who's trying deny women the right to even get birth control, much less an abortion.

It is on topic. You just don't like what I have to say. 

RU-486

You are aware that this drug has been out for many years, correct? 

I’ve never opposed any use of birth control that’s not in any way a form of abortion.  I’m a Protestant who is pro life.  I’m not against birth control except as said above.  

The article has nothing to do with one going and getting an abortion, the holy grail of secular feminism.   

Yes, and? 

the holy grail of secular feminism.

but stopping abortion seems to be the holy grail to some

Preserving the human life and seeing the baby girl or boy being born is the holy grail.  

Preserving the human life and seeing the baby girl or boy being born is the holy grail.

How poetic. Doesn't change the fact though: don't like abortion, then don't have one! But you don't get to make that call for anyone else!

Why do you, or any one else, care what a woman chooses to do with her own body?

Ooo, ooo...teacher, teacher.  I know why.  It's because these bible-thumping genetic throwbacks still consider women need to be managed and subservient.  Yes, and there are plenty of women willing to submit but so many more who are not. 

There is no such thing as, "pro-abortion". No one is going door to door asking women to come down and get an abortion. Religion on the other hand... about once a week I get bible babblers on my porch telling me to go to their church.. So....who has the agenda here? Exactly. 

That is their logic.  Makes no sense to me 

In fact the GOP-controlled House voted today to make claims under the ADA far more difficult to make.    They even skipped a moment of silence for the Florida shooting victims because they were so eager to make life harder for the disabled.

thehill

Didn't they also fairly recently vote to allow mentally ill people the same rights to buy firearms as people that....aren't nutty as a fruitcake? 

Yes.  That was another Obama repeal thing by the Trump and the GOP.  President signed in on Feb. 15, 2017.  As yet a photo or video of that signing has not been made public.

I'm still waiting for the 'right to life' groups and the Mega-Churches to take over the financial responsibility of children and thusly remove that burden from the US taxpayers.

Still waiting on that one.  C'mon fetus worshippers, step up to the plate.

The GOP's motto is "You're on your own once you can breathe on your own."

If the cost ever affected them, they would change their tune fast

The point of the article was the new antidote to RU-486 and the resistance of some to allowing women the option to make the choice to reverse RU-486.  

Isn't the point of the article that CA is now allowing an anti-abortion group to teach nurses something which has no credible medical evidence to support its use, and which hasn't been found safe or effective by the FDA?

Isn't the point of the article that CA is now allowing an anti-abortion group to teach nurses something which has no credible medical evidence to support its use, and which hasn't been found safe or effective by the FDA?

Indeed. Not to mention the article is misleading. According to Rewire , "Though there was no medical literature [1st red flag]  about how to reverse the course of medication abortion, or even whether that was a possibility [second red flag], six physicians trained in an obscure Catholic fertility treatment [3rd red flag]—including Delgado and Davenport [anti abortionists-4th red flag]—injected their patients with varying doses of synthetic progesterone [I wonder if they went through proper channels to conduct such an experiment on human subjects?]....The American Congress of Obstetricians and Gynecologists (ACOG)—which says that [emphasis mine] claims of abortion reversal are not based on scientific evidence [5th and biggest red flag of them all]....

So in  other words, anti-abortionists are pushing their agenda using, at best, anecdotal information. Talk about dishonesty. But I've come to expect nothing less from them!

“In the past five years, more than 400 mothers have successfully rescued their babies through an emergency progesterone treatment that has been used for more than 50 years to prevent miscarriages. Backed by a network of more than 350 medical providers, the Abortion Pill Reversal hotline (1-877-558-0333)—staffed with licensed medical professionals—answers over 50 calls per month from women who want to keep their baby after having started the chemical abortion pill process.”

“In the past five years, more than 400 mothers have successfully rescued their babies through an emergency progesterone treatment that has been used for more than 50 years to prevent miscarriages.

Funny how there is not one study cited to support that. If anything, only the opposite is cited : "In the rare case that a woman changes her mind after starting medical abortion, evidence is insufficient to determine whether treatment with progesterone after mifepristone results in a higher proportion of continuing pregnancies compared to expectant management...Legislation requiring physicians to inform patients about abortion reversal transforms an unproven therapy into law and represents legislative interference in the patient–physician relationship."

  From the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists (ACOG), "Available research seems to indicate that in the rare situation where a woman takes mifepristone and then changes her mind, doing nothing and waiting to see what happens is just as effective as intervening with a course of progesterone. Progesterone, while generally well tolerated, can cause significant cardiovascular, nervous system and endocrine adverse reactions as well as other side effects."

Any more misinformation that you'd like to share and for the rest of us to point out?

Any more misinformation that you'd like to share and for the rest of us to point out?

Oh, he's got an infinite supply of that.

The good news is that in other states the info about reversal or even not taking the second drug doze is becoming mandatory with the sale of RU -486.  Women should be aware of all the choices available to them.  

Women should be aware of all the choices available to them.

Says someone who wants those choices  taken away from them.  Who do you think yer foolin', HA?

Women should be aware of all the choices available to them.

If they are seeking an abortion, I would guess that they already know what the choices are and are making one. 

And if one is suddenly made aware that they are pregnant and overreacts by taking RU-486 before considering everything, for her there’s no going back?  Well now there is.  She can take a medication designed to mitigate against spontaneous miscarriage to mitigate an induced miscarriage.  This genie is out of the bottle and there’s no way she’s going back inside it.  

And if one is suddenly made aware that they are pregnant and overreacts by taking RU-486 before considering everything

Again, if she is taking it, she has made the CHOICE. Understand? It's NOT your CHOICE, it's HER choice. No matter how much you want to enslave women to your will, it's never gong to happen. Sorry. 

And you want to imprison her in that choice permanently.  I’m for giving her the choice to change her mind once started on that path.  You on the pro abortion side seem like it would be a mortal offense for her to change her mind and try to save her baby 👶 after all. You want to deprive women of having a choice to change her mind.  

I’m for giving her the choice

She already MADE her CHOICE! FFS. We all see this for what it is, just more of the, "save the "babies!!!!"" bullshit. Abortion is legal, trying to weave some ridiculous story about reversing an abortion is flat out dumb. You want to save 'babies' so much? Go hang out at the PP and tell every single woman that is there for an abortion that you personally will adopt the child. Sign a binding contract and you're all set. You can save as many as you want. 

I’m for giving her the choice to change her mind once started on that path.

Sure, until she decides she wants an actual abortion. After that, you would prefer she didn't have that option, right?

Who else thinks HA's going to lock this one down pretty soon?  It usually  comes fast on the heels of him getting the rhetorical shit kicked out of him and that has already happened.....in spades.

Who else thinks HA's going to lock this one down pretty soon? It usually comes fast on the heels of him getting the rhetorical shit kicked out of him and that has already happened.....in spades.

I'm a little surprised it hasn't happened already.

So the republicans scream constantly about smaller government and more individual freedoms. I guess they mean, "for men only". 

It will be no surprise to anyone who's dealt even briefly with HA's bullshit that this "abortion reversal treatment" is based on junk science.  Here's what ACOG (American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists) have to say about it:

Medication Abortion "Reversal" NOT Supported by Science

Pro life is essentialy pro choice also.  They choose to be pro life.

They choose to be pro life.

You... you...mean people should be free to choose both options?  Why, that's a revolutionary and completely original concept.  You should write a book or at at least an essay on that theme.  

What manner of damned fool is simultaneously pro-life and anti birth control?

Possibly the kind opposed to government telling its citizens what to do.

"Only in America can you be Pro-Death Penalty, Pro-War, Pro-Unmanned Drones, Pro-Torture, & still call yourself 'Pro-Life.'"

As well as unfair economic situations for new mothers, there is the contraception problem. How does one suppose that fewer abortions will be necessary if there is not increased birth control use?

An article by CBS News from 2012 reported on a long-term study in St. Louis that offered women the free birth control of their choice. The study revealed that, amongst other positive effects, the program lowered the abortion rate for participants. There were 4.4 to 7.5 abortions per 1,000 women in the program. This is compared to the national average, which is almost 20 abortions per 1,000 women nationally.

Reducing the number of abortions through increased use of contraception is pretty common sense, so it really is absurd that anyone, particularly those so staunchly against abortion — such as the GOP — would oppose birth control legislation and funding. And yet it’s in the news all the dang time with conservative’s war on Planned Parenthood.

Why make up stories that aren’t true and say I’m opposed to birth control?  I’m not.  As long as a birth control method doesn’t harm an already conceived life, I’m all for it and endorse it.  I don’t favor little sisters of the poor being coerced into paying for it in health insurance plans they have to offer.  I support Hobby Lobby being able to provide coverage only for the 90% of birth control that isn’t a form of early abortion and not having to cover the others against their beliefs. 

Why make up stories that aren’t true and say I’m opposed to birth control? I’m not. As long as a birth control method doesn’t harm an already conceived life, I’m all for it and endorse it.

Birth control doesn't harm conceived life. It prevents conception from happening. Abortifacients, such as RU-486, remove conceived life. But whether you're for it or not is irrelevant. It's not your call to make.

I don’t favor little sisters of the poor being coerced into paying for it in health insurance plans they have to offer.

All they had to do was fill out the required paperwork.

I support Hobby Lobby being able to provide coverage only for the 90% of birth control that isn’t a form of early abortion and not having to cover the others against their beliefs.

Contraception is not the same as abortion.

I simply support all forms of birth control that are not Abortifacients.  Once the sperm and egg unite, it’s no longer traditional birth control to stop it, it’s abortion.  

what difference does it make?

I simply support all forms of birth control that are not Abortifacients.

Once again, birth control and abortifacients are two different things. Although, as Charger pointed out, what difference doe it make?

Once the sperm and egg unite, it’s no longer traditional birth control to stop it, it’s abortion.

So? It's still the woman's choice to utilize abortion or not if she wants. Again, what difference does it make?

How do you explain the hypocrites at Hobby Lobby for having stock in the 'abortion' pill as you put it?  

Once the sperm and egg unite, it’s no longer traditional birth control to stop it, it’s abortion.

In your uneducated, layman's opinion, of course. 

As opposed to your whatever opinion? Life begins at conception.  Once that happens anything done to stop a human child from being born is an abortion.  

Life begins at conception.

So? What difference does that make?

Once that happens anything done to stop a human child from being born is an abortion.

Wrong! For an abortion to occur, the fertilized ovum has to first implant itself into the uterine wall. Unless that happens, there is no abortion regardless if the ovum is fertilized. Abortion is simply the procedure to remove an implanted ovum.

All a woman wanting to stop the abortion process from having 1st taken RU-486 is go to a Catholic hospital and ask for the drug for treating spontaneous miscarriages.  If further explanation is needed tell them she’s trying to stop a pill induced abortion, and she should get the treatment she desires and has made the choice to have.  Hopefully soon crisis pregnancy centers that have some medical treatment options on site can do this as well.  

All a woman wanting to stop the abortion process from having 1st taken RU-486 is go to a Catholic hospital and ask for the drug for treating spontaneous miscarriages.

Um, that wont work. And unless you are an MD, you really shouldn't be giving medical advise, especially in cases like this where serious harm could could be done. 

serious harm could could be done.

Well, to the mother, yes.  But these scumbags don't give a shit about her. 

"treating spontaneous miscarriages"

why should spontaneous miscarriages be treated? 

To prevent them from happening in the first place.  Women with an issue of miscarriages use this to try to prevent another.  Now women who want to reverse a self caused due to medication miscarriage can choose to do so.  Pro abortion people thought that they could use RU-486 to reverse the decline in abortions over the years without input from pro life people.  Well, they were wrong.  

Why does abortion worry you so much?

Why does abortion worry you so much?

Easy answer... He doesn't like women doing things that he cannot control. 

Pro abortion people

Another example of disingenuousness. Who's "pro-abortion" exactly?

Stay on the seeded topic.  I am not the issue of the seeded article and am not on topic.  Moderation, please remove posts making me the seeder the issue.  Thanks. 

Anyone who would say or do anything to deny a woman who’s taken the first RU 486 pill the opportunity to change her mind and make the choice to try to save her baby.  One who would do that is pro abortion as the choice being denied would be the one to interrupt an abortion.  

Anyone who would say or do anything to deny a woman who’s taken the first RU 486 pill the opportunity to change her mind and make the choice to try to save her baby.

That's funny coming from you, as you would want to deny a woman the choice to take RU-486 or have an abortion in the first place.

One who would do that is pro abortion as the choice being denied would be the one to interrupt an abortion.

No, that's someone who goes by evidence, which shows that medication to reverse RU-486 is not only ineffective, but can cause serious health complications to the woman (which I previously demonstrated). Funny how you prefer to overlook that.