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Trump's star dims in Iowa's GOP ag country

  

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Via:  krishna  •  7 years ago  •  24 comments

Trump's star dims in Iowa's GOP ag country

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Trump's call for tariffs creating anxiety in the farm belt


HOSPERS, Iowa (AP) — In Sioux County, where swine barns interrupt the vast landscape of corn-stubbled fields, exports of meat, grain and machinery fuel the local economy. And there's a palpable sense of unease that new Chinese tariffs pushed by President Donald Trump — who received more than 80 percent of the vote here in 2016 — could threaten residents' livelihood

The grumbling hardly signals a looming leftward lurch in this dominantly Republican region in northwest Iowa. But after standing with Trump through the many trials of his first year, some Sioux County Trump voters say they would be willing to walk away from the president if the fallout from the tariffs causes a lasting downturn in the farm economy.

"I wouldn't sit here today and say I will definitely support him again," said 60-year-old hog farmer Marv Van Den Top. "This here could be a real negative for him." (Read it all)


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Krishna
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1  seeder  Krishna    7 years ago

Last week, Trump announced plans to impose tariffs on a range of Chinese goods, a move aimed at punishing Beijing for stealing American technology. The Chinese government responded with a threat to tag U.S. products, including pork and aluminum, with an equal 25 percent charge.

That sent a chill through places like Sioux County, which ranks first among Iowa's 99 counties in agricultural exports. In 2016, the county sold $350 million in meat, grain, machinery and chemicals overseas. Far closer to the sparsely populated crossroads of South Dakota and Minnesota than Iowa's bustling Des Moines metro area, Sioux County is home to just 34,000 people, but more than 1 million hogs, 6 million chickens and nearly as impressive numbers of cattle and sheep.

"I wouldn't sit here today and say I will definitely support him again," said 60-year-old hog farmer Marv Van Den Top. "This here could be a real negative for him."

 
 
 
It Is ME
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1.1  It Is ME  replied to  Krishna @1    7 years ago
In 2016, the county sold $350 million in meat, grain, machinery and chemicals overseas.

If the tariffs make this country become self sufficient, he'll be selling the same amount, and maybe for a higher price.

"Made in America" ALWAYS COST MORE......for some friggin reason.

 
 
 
Krishna
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1.1.1  seeder  Krishna  replied to  It Is ME @1.1    7 years ago
If the tariffs make this country become self sufficient,

If.

There's an olde saying:

If my grandmother had a wheel and two handles, she'd be a wheelbarrow!

If . . .

 
 
 
It Is ME
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1.1.2  It Is ME  replied to  Krishna @1.1.1    7 years ago

Hire an "Illegal". They're cheap slaves !

Besides, if she "HAD" those things, she would already HAVE  85% of a wheel barrel. All she would need is the tub. I've never seen a human being shaped like a tub.  winking

Ace Hardware sells wheel barrel tubs. geek

 
 
 
TTGA
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1.2  TTGA  replied to  Krishna @1    7 years ago
That sent a chill through places like Sioux County, which ranks first among Iowa's 99 counties in agricultural exports. In 2016, the county sold $350 million in meat, grain, machinery and chemicals overseas. Far closer to the sparsely populated crossroads of South Dakota and Minnesota than Iowa's bustling Des Moines metro area, Sioux County is home to just 34,000 people, but more than 1 million hogs, 6 million chickens and nearly as impressive numbers of cattle and sheep.

So, it seems as if the Chinese have decided to give up eating.  Farm products can easily be sold to other countries.  Unlike manufactured goods, they are essential to sustain life.

 
 
 
Krishna
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1.2.1  seeder  Krishna  replied to  TTGA @1.2    7 years ago
So, it seems as if the Chinese have decided to give up eating.

Or else they've decided to get those food products elsewhere...or even find ways to grow new products themselves.

 
 
 
It Is ME
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1.2.2  It Is ME  replied to  Krishna @1.2.1    7 years ago
or even find ways to grow new products themselves

Wouldn't that be a hoot if we grew and raised for us first....others second.

 
 
 
TTGA
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1.2.3  TTGA  replied to  Krishna @1.2.1    7 years ago
Or else they've decided to get those food products elsewhere...or even find ways to grow new products themselves.

No one else has food products in the necessary quantities.  The word most associated with Chinese food growing for the last 1,000 years:  FAMINE.  The Soviet Union, who had a very large steppe country suitable for farming, were, in the end, unable to feed its own people.  Collective farming under Socialism doesn't work very well.  A commissar can't just order crops to grow (see: King Canute ordering the tides to stop).

 
 
 
Krishna
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2  seeder  Krishna    7 years ago

Brad Te Grootenhuis sells about 25,000 hogs a year and could lose hundreds of thousands of dollars if the tariffs spark a backlash from China. He said it's possible he would abandon Trump if pork's price decline continues and lasts.

"Any time you're losing money, nobody's happy," the 42-year-old farmer said. "I've got payments to make, plain and simple."

 
 
 
JBB
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2.1  JBB  replied to  Krishna @2    7 years ago

When Russia invaded Afghanistan back during the Carter administration we imposed a grain embargo on Russia as a sanction which had a devastating effect on mid-western farmers. While race may have been the deciding factor when many southern Democrats defected to the gop just before then that grain embargo and the effects on farming accomplished the same in farm states. Dems lost the mid-west over that embargo. Carter lost the Presidency.

 
 
 
arkpdx
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2.1.1  arkpdx  replied to  JBB @2.1    7 years ago
Carter lost the Presidency.

Carter lost the presidency because he was in effective, incompetent and inept. He is the worst president ever although bho is making a run for that title .Besides that Ronald Reagan was the better candidate and was an infinitely better president. 

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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2.1.2  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  arkpdx @2.1.1    7 years ago

Back away from the Kool Aid.

 
 
 
arkpdx
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2.1.4  arkpdx  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @2.1.2    7 years ago

no look aid just facts. I know you don't like facts. 


 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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2.1.5  Sean Treacy  replied to  JBB @2.1    7 years ago

Reagan won 489 electoral votes in 1980 and beat carter by 10 points. The election made obama  Mccain look like a nail biter. The idea that the grain embargo made a difference is laughable.

 
 
 
Krishna
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2.1.6  seeder  Krishna  replied to  Release The Kraken @2.1.3    7 years ago
Jim Jones Kool aid is the best.

True.

But since the new tariffs targeting Jim Jones Kool Aid, most people can no longer afford it!

(They have to settle for Walmart Kool Aid instead :-(

 
 
 
Krishna
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2.1.7  seeder  Krishna  replied to  arkpdx @2.1.4    7 years ago
no look aid just facts. I know you don't like facts.

If that's intended as a personal attack, its a pretty feeble one-- surely you can do better than that!

 
 
 
arkpdx
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2.1.8  arkpdx  replied to  Krishna @2.1.7    7 years ago

no it called the truth. 

 
 
 
TTGA
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2.1.9  TTGA  replied to  JBB @2.1    7 years ago
Dems lost the mid-west over that embargo. Carter lost the Presidency.

And the Soviet Government was no longer able to feed its population and fell from power.

 
 
 
Krishna
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3  seeder  Krishna    7 years ago

What I find ironic about Trump's obsession with increasing and/or instituting tariffs is that the conventional Republican/Conservative position has been for free enterprise with no gov't interference . . .  and that includes free trade. (The Conservative position has been strongly opposed to tariffs).

To put it another way, Conservatives believe the best way to go is to "let natural "market forces" exist and that that approach will be the best for all. (Democrats, OTOH, generally belief in more government action, (such as tariffs).

And ironically,support for tariffs has always been a liberal position (i.e. more government "meddling" in the free enterprise system).

Of course Trump is by no means a Conservative (as more astute observers of politics well know). So its no surprise he's often for bigger government....and more government meddling with free market forces...

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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4  Bob Nelson    7 years ago
And there's a palpable sense of unease that new Chinese tariffs pushed by President Donald Trump — who received more than 80 percent of the vote here in 2016 — could threaten residents' livelihood

Well........ duh!   close call

 
 
 
KDMichigan
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4.1  KDMichigan  replied to  Bob Nelson @4    7 years ago
Well........ duh!

So how are you offended Bob? Most pork stays local unless you are a commercial farm. 

If the local price in my village market is lower than the global I am cool with that.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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4.1.1  Bob Nelson  replied to  KDMichigan @4.1    7 years ago
So how are you offended Bob?

Offended? What are you talking about?

 
 
 
Krishna
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5  seeder  Krishna    7 years ago

Trump's asinine tariff policies are only going to make things worse with time:

The Chinese government fired back at the Trump administration’s tariffs on steel and aluminum on Monday by enacting its own tariffs on 128 American-made products including wine, fruit, and pork products. (link)

 
 

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