WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Donald Trump said on Tuesday he was reimposing economic sanctions on Iran and pulling the United States out of an international agreement aimed at stopping Tehran from obtaining a nuclear bomb.
Luckily the USA does not rule the World even if our Government thinks it does. Even if the US pulls out of the Deal the Deal will still stand because there are many other Countries involved in the Deal and they're not pulling out so the Deal still stands. Imposing Economic Sanctions without the backing of the UN won't mean much to Iran because they're selling their Oil to China not the US and they don't buy US Weapons anymore so there will be little effect. The only thing the USA makes that's better than anyone else's is Movies and they can just get those Pirated DVD's from China. The Real reason Obama went along with this Deal in the first place was because all the other Countries were for the Deal and it was going to happen with or without the USA so the US Gov figured it was better to be a part of it so we'd have some say so when it came to Oversight. If we hadn't agreed to the Deal we'd be seen as a disgruntled sore loser if we complained about Iran not keeping it's word if we suspected them of violating the Deal. As far as I'm concerned any "Proof" of Iran's wrongdoing that comes from Israel isn't worth squat as they have their own agenda. If Trump feels there is a problem with inspections or anything else he should bring that up with the other Signatories and see what they think.
If echoes of 2002-2003 and weapons of mass destruction weren’t already flagrant enough, Trump said the Iran nuclear agreement was built on “a giant fiction” that Iran sought only to build “a peaceful nuclear energy program.” And then he went there, using warmed-over intelligence from a speech given by Israeli President Benjamin Netanyahu last week to suggest that Iran was in contravention of the agreement.
“Today we have definitive proof that this Iranian promise was a lie,” Trump said of Iran’s nuclear energy program. “Last week, Israel published intelligence documents, long concealed by Iran, conclusively showing the Iranians regime and its history of pursuing nuclear weapons.”
None of what Netanyahu presented in his flashy speech was new to U.S. intelligence officials , and the only thing it proved is what the U.S. already knew: “that Iran once had an unauthorized nuclear program.”
But by saying, “Today we have definitive proof,” Trump deliberately sought to blur the line between present and past. Trump’s new national security adviser John Bolton is apparently trying to revisit the glory of his mushroom-cloud days in the George W. Bush administration.
Amac, I cant help reading this post and think you are trying to convince people Iran's nuclear program is strictly peaceful and that no one has anything to worry about now that we have our ridiculous "deal" BO brokered that guarantees Nuclear weapons eventually, even if they adhere to all the stipulations?. Seriously. Do YOU even believe this shit?
12 inspectors have been on the ground in Iran, and, multiple sites dismantled; the absence of a deal and a deal reneged upon, particularly trying to enter one with North Korea, is a pair of disasters waiting to happen.
Trump's objectives are always about undoing Obama initiatives, and, lining his own pockets at your expense and mine; his base and the political whores in Congress to which they pander, will erode the basis of democratic principles and prioritizing the "common good."
It's all about making America WHITE again and playing to the fantasies and scapegoating of the ignorant.
Sure. Isolating the US from allies is a great thing. Do you think the rest of the world will go along with our new sanctions? I don't. What are we going to do? Give everyone an exemption?
It is an idiot move that only appeases his rabid base.
The real buffoons are those lowly educated Obama-bots who believed this deal was good for the USA.
Have you ever heard the saying, "keep your friends close, and your enemies closer.."? That's what the Iran deal did, it allowed us to keep close tabs on them. Now? We can't. Trump just created the next North Korea.
Most Americans can't point out Iran on a map, why should those in government care what they think about an arrangement meant to prevent them from attaining a nuclear weapon? Do you seriously think most people would even understand the basics of such a thing? 99% of Americans couldn't even tell you what uranium enrichment actually is.
The real buffoons are those lowly educated Obama-bots who believed this deal was good for the USA.
There are many specific examples of Trump's buffoonery … and, just as soon as you provide specifics for your pronouncement, I'll post a number of them.
One-line pieces of demagoguery with no attempts whatsoever to provide particulars … are quite characteristic of Trumpism.
The hardline right wingers in Iran are definitely happy about it.
Don't you just love the fucking irony when the Neo-Nazi, White Supremacist, Evangelical ("The-Jews-Killed-Christ-and-Today-Delay-the-Messiah's-Coming) Wing of the Trump sycophants … suddenly become "Pro-Israel?!!!"
My family and the families of other Jews know too well the insidious agendas, overt and covert, of anti-Semitic rhetoric and violence and the politicians who pander to it. And whether it comes from Muslims, Christians or slimy politicians, those who are selectively indignant … are hypocrites!
Despite the presence of a dozen nuclear inspectors on the ground in Iran and the dismantling of facilities therein … Jess Willard's boys and girls love killing the "Iran Deal" … and … all else that de facto says, "F You, Obama!"
Without a fuckin' clue as to why the American Embassy move to Jerusalem has many catastrophic possibilities, they loudly cheer Trump's touting the move at his recent rally … not because they are schooled in the history or realities, rather, so that their Great White Hope can continue dismantling the initiatives of a Black man who formerly occupied a white house!
And since these political correctness-objectors claim that "PC" is unacceptable and a liberal capitulation to … OMG … of all things … human decency …
… back atcha'!
And now … let us prepare for a well-orchestrated gang-bang, a barrage of one liners and pronouncements of adolescently-conceived making, rife with Foxy alternative facts.
AP: Adelson offers to help pay for Jerusalem embassy
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
02/23/2018 06:03 AM EST
In one possible scenario, the administration would solicit contributions not only from Adelson but potentially from other donors in the evangelical and American Jewish communities, too. One official said Adelson, a Las Vegas casino magnate and staunch supporter of Israel, had offered to pay the difference between the total cost — expected to run into the hundreds of millions of dollars — and what the administration is able to raise.
Under any circumstance, letting private citizens cover the costs of an official government building would mark a significant departure from historical U.S. practice. In the Jerusalem case, it would add yet another layer of controversy to Trump's politically charged decision to move the embassy, given Adelson's longstanding affiliation with right-wing Israeli politics.
It's not clear if there are any precedents, nor whether government lawyers would give the green light to accept Adelson's or anyone else's donations for the embassy.
Otherwise …
Sheldon Adelson gives $30 million in bid to save
House
GOP
majority — and could give more this year
Billionaire Sheldon Adelson is giving $30 million to a super PAC pushing to protect the House GOP majority.
The casino magnate is open to giving more to Republican midterm efforts this year.
I'll assume for now (I'll fact check it) that it's true, BF; Avenatti is newsworthy so, he gets a fee for appearances; that's not the same as buying a politician … and, no one would know Avenatti had Trump kept his pants zippered and Michael Cohen and Trump hadn't been involved in a NDA about which their story keeps changing, and, which ultimately may have legal ramifications.
FOR THE RECORD … The Free Beacon did not prove that any such payments were actually made … from the link you provided …
Stormy Daniels attorney Michael Avenatti has earned nearly $175 million in free media during his appearances on cable outlets MSNBC and CNN over the past two months, a Washington Free Beacon analysis shows.
Daniels, a porn actress whose real name is Stephanie Clifford, claims she slept with President Donald Trump in 2006 and received a $130,000 hush payment from Trump's attorney Michael Cohen. She has also said she was physically threatened to keep silent about it. Trump has denied the affair.
The Washington Free Beacon analyzed 108 appearances by Avenatti on MSNBC and CNN over a 64-day period from March 7 to May 10. To calculate his earned media time, the Free Beacon multiplied the length of his appearances on a program by its "National Publicity Value" determination from media monitoring site TVEyes.com.
The total came out to $174,631,598.07 from at least 65 CNN appearances and 43 MSNBC appearances. Avenatti's favorite shows include CNN's "Anderson Cooper 360" (at least 20 interviews), MSNBC's "The Last Word with Lawrence O'Donnell" (14), CNN's "New Day" (12), CNN's "Tonight with Don Lemon" (eight), and MSNBC's "Deadline White House" (seven).
As previously reported by conservative media watch dog NewsBusters , Avenatti has appeared on CNN an average of more than once per day during the period under analysis.
'I'll assume for now (I'll fact check it) that it's true, BF; Avenatti is newsworthy so, he gets a fee for appearances; that's not the same as buying a politician … and, no one would know Avenatti had Trump kept his pants zippered and Michael Cohen and Trump hadn't been involved in a NDA about which their story keeps changing, and, which ultimately may have legal ramifications.'
I would like you to explain your "more shady" assessment if you would.
FYI: Over the course of the campaign, Trump earned close to $2 billion worth of media attention, about twice the all-in price of the most expensive presidential campaigns in history. It is also twice the estimated $746 million that Hillary Clinton, the next best at earning media, took in. Senator Bernie Sanders has earned more media than any of the Republicans except Mr. Trump.
Oh I know the hardliners in Iran are thrilled, they hated this thing from the get go so a US president unilaterally ruining it is a major victory for them. Now the Ayatollah is somewhat backed into a corner on the issue and the moderates such as the current Iranian president have been cut down at the knees. Definitely a major victory for those in Iran that want a bomb.
The hard liners from Iran were also thrilled when the deal was signed and Iran received extra millions from the US that could be used to improve their conventional army and expand/improve their Shai militias operating in Syria, Iraq, and Yemen.
I am sure they will get over the hurt as their economy is improving; and the money continues to flow in and their military/militia power expands in the region. The agreement will not prevent Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons; it will only delay the inevitable. Russia, China, and even the EU will not allow sanctions to "snap back into place" if Iran is caught violating the terms. The EU is already getting hooked on Iranian oil; and all parties love that Iran literally needs everything high tech, and big ticket items to rebuild their infrastructure and economy.
If Trump pulls the US from the Iranian deal Iran is still supposedly bound by the UN Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty that they signed. Of course they signed it back in 1968; and it didn't stop them from violating it- so why would anyone think this agreement or the Treaty would stop them now?
1968
July 1 – Iran signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT). Parliament ratified it in February 1970. Uranium enrichment was allowed under the treaty.
1974
May 15 – Iran signed the NPT’s Safeguards Agreement with the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA). The safeguards allowed inspections for the purpose of verifying that nuclear enrichment for peaceful nuclear energy is not diverted to nuclear weapons or other nuclear explosive devices.
I think it is hilarious that the same people that are trumpeting for the US to trust Iran; are the ones screaming at Trump not to negotiate with NK as they can't be trusted.
And the Idiot in Chief proves just how much worse of an Idiot he can be. He will not be satisfied until he has the US engaged in another World War with no allies. And he proves just how stupid and empty headed his base truly is to support him. Supporting ones party is one thing, supporting a manic idiot simply because he ran on their party ticket is quite another, and shows there really is no real brain power behind their thinking.
The price for their stupidity will be more than they ever thought they would have to pay simply to satisfy their greed to control our government.
History will not treat him kindly. Nor those who voted for him.
The deal had nothing to do with terrorism or terrorist attacks.
Yes! You are correct! That's one of the major flaws it has. Obama lifted sanctions and gave them billions of dollars without any concern for how they might spend it. Well, they are spending it on murdering innocent people. I can't fathom why anyone would think that's a good thing.
So then, let's make it "better" by giving them a path to a nuclear holocaust … is that the idea?
How does this do that? Iran still has a deal with 5 other countries. If it's such an effective deal, and Iran really doesn't want to develop nuclear weapons, then it shouldn't matter if the US pulls out.
Or . . . it could be they've lying the whole time. Nahhh. Not Iran.
It's actually 8 other countries and they too will be sanctioned if they continue to do business with Iran. Richard Grenell, the U.S. ambassador to Germany tweeted Tuesday evening -
U.S. sanctions will target critical sectors of Iran’s economy. German companies doing business in Iran should wind down operations immediately.
European businesses told Mr Grenell to shut the hell up and they'd rather not do business in the US if it comes to that. This will drive down the power of the dollar against the euro. Tell me again how that tax cut we got was so good it would increase our economic growth by 5% and pay for itself?
European businesses told Mr Grenell to shut the hell up and they'd rather not do business in the US if it comes to that.
LMFAO!!!! What a crock of shit! How come tariffs on US products are practically expected in many instances but when we try to respond in kind it is considered a trade war?
You guys that think other countries want to get into a trade war with us, and that we would lose, are funny.
ISTANBUL — Iranian Pres. Hassan Rouhani said he has directed his diplomats to negotiate with European countries, Russia and China about remaining in the nuclear deal despite the U.S. withdrawal from the agreement.
But Rouhani said Iran is ready to start unlimited uranium enrichment if these negotiations do not yield benefits in a couple of weeks.
Iranian officials struck a defiant tone Tuesday as President Trump withdrew the United States from a landmark nuclear deal with Tehran, a move that reimposes harsh economic sanctions and could prompt Iran to restart suspended nuclear activities.
When your actions make the mullahs happy, maybe you should temper that excitement. Since Trump is a lying gasbag of bullshit, it doesn't matter what he says about anything. He doesn't even understand it any more than his supporters, he has no interest in these things that don't directly affect him. The Iranian hardliners never wanted the agreement and are happy to say 'I told you so' and start it all up again. And the world will work without us having influence or trust. We may never get our credibility back after this reign of terror. Hard to believe I'm watching people believe lies again, no wonder the world thinks Americans are morons.
Hey, Mr. Frost. Have I got a deal for you. I have access to the rights to a highway tollbooth between Chengdu and Chongqing that is worth a million US bucks a year that you can buy for just a one-time one million US dollars. I'll send you my banking info for the transfer, and upon receipt of the funds I'll deliver to you a transfer of those rights.
No, that is completely on point. Inspections are looking for evidence that they are violating the agreement, a simple Geiger counter finding those isotopes would be that evidence.
Don't listen to Trumpians, science IS YOUR FRIEND...
Don't forget that one of the other provisions was that there were some sites that the Iranians only could "inspect" for violations.. They wouldn't cheat on those would they? /s
I have decided I must oppose the agreement and will vote yes on a motion of disapproval. . . .
In the first ten years of the deal, there are serious weaknesses in the agreement. First, inspections are not “anywhere, anytime”; the 24-day delay before we can inspect is troubling. . . .
Even more troubling is the fact that the U.S. cannot demand inspections unilaterally. . . .
Additionally, the “snapback” provisions in the agreement seem cumbersome and difficult to use. . . .
After fifteen years of relief from sanctions, Iran would be stronger financially and better able to advance a robust nuclear program. Even more importantly, the agreement would allow Iran, after ten to fifteen years, to be a nuclear threshold state with the blessing of the world community. . . .
If Iran’s true intent is to get a nuclear weapon, under this agreement, it must simply exercise patience. . . .
Under this agreement, Iran would receive at least $50 billion dollars in the near future and would undoubtedly use some of that money to redouble its efforts to create even more trouble in the Middle East, and, perhaps, beyond. . . .
Restrictions should have been put in place limiting how Iran could use its new resources. . . .
When it comes to the non-nuclear aspects of the deal, I think there is a strong case that we are better off without an agreement than with one.
Better to keep U.S. sanctions in place, strengthen them, enforce secondary sanctions on other nations, and pursue the hard-trodden path of diplomacy once more, difficult as it may be.
Of course today, he'll say it's a terrible idea to withdraw from the deal. Because politics.
The fact that it takes energy to enrich Uranium to weapons grade and the power stations and reactors they are using aren't running that amount of electricity. With our satellite technology, it would be visible from space.
Add to that, a curious thing happened in 2009 with Stuxnet arriving in Iranian Uranium enrichment centrifuges - and causing them to break. Ever read about Zero Day ?
No one can say with certainty who pulled off the Stuxnet virtual weapon, but it's certain they had Western influences in mind. I rest easy thinking that the capability for the U.S. or our allies still have the capability to monitor what Iran is trying to do with their Uranium.
That said, the ending of the allied accord with Iran and addition of sanctions will make it harder to monitor the amounts of Uranium they can obtain through other channels and possibly strengthen their resolve to do so.
Trump has no idea how good or bad this deal is, nor does he care. He pulled out of the deal because Obama's signature is on it, period. It would not have mattered one iota WHAT was in this deal, Trump would have called it a terrible deal and pulled out. This isn't about Iran, it isn't about nukes, to Trump it's about his hatred of Obama, nothing more.
'Trump has no idea how good or bad this deal is, nor does he care. He pulled out of the deal because Obama's signature is on it, period. It would not have mattered one iota WHAT was in this deal, Trump would have called it a terrible deal and pulled out. This isn't about Iran, it isn't about nukes, to Trump it's about his hatred of Obama, nothing more.'
Rump is insanely jealous of President Obama and all of his accomplishments and his intelligence and the fact that President Obama is a decent and respected and admired around the world MAN. Donald Rump has no claim to being a man, he's a toddler throwing a never ending tantrum. That is the only reason he is doing this - you are correct - his hatred of President Obama, nothing more.
Donald Rump has lined his pockets in the last however many months this nightmare has been going on . . . that's all he's done.
Tick, tock - I saw Hannity for a brief moment on Trevor Noah - that's where I learned where you get all your talking points from - Dick, I mean, Sean Hannity. Who did Cohen pay off for him? A mistress, an abortion?
President Obama was never an ass kisser or a clown. You must be referring to Donald Rump when you talk about a clown. President Obama is diplomatic. Something Donald Rump's supporters will never get.
Donald Rump is just putin's cock holster - all he is.
Hussein Obama was an an Anti American Marxist who spent his life trying to destroy our Republic. I thank God every day that he can no longer carry out his destructive ideology
The US is not within the reach of Iranian Missiles. The other 5 signatories to the JCPOA (UK, France, Germany, Russia, & China) are within range and want to remain in the agreement. The IAEC has said that Iran is sticking to the agreement. The CIA said that Iran has not been pursuing a nuclear weapon since 2005. The Iranians used nuclear enrichment to get the P5+1 to the negotiating table to reduce sanctions hurting their economy. Then Iran agreed not to do something it wasn't doing (building a nuclear weapon) and didn't want to do.
After screwing up Afghanistan, Iraq, and Libya, and dealing with the aftermath of those messes, do we really want to make another mess? Are we really that stupid? The US & Europe are not currently dealing with Shia terrorism. The Sunni terrorism we have been dealing with is not backed by a Nation. We can change that by attacking Iran.
In your very last sentence, was there supposed to be a question mark?
No. Iran is not stupid. They have proxies in place all over. These proxies are well equipped. The low side estimate for the number of missiles Hezbollah has in Lebanon is 40,000. Iran probably has substantial resources in position outside Iran that they can activate; hence the West will experience Shia terrorism sponsored by a Nation. Remember how devastating Iranian high power military explosives given to the Iraqi resistance were to our kids.
Both of you (Ender too) are right. I just read today that Boeing and Airbus are afraid to commit to rebuilding Iran's commercial airlines because they're not sure they'll be able to sell the planes. Iran is talking with Russia.
The only thing which seems apparent is that the right wing loons in the US want Iran to have nuclear weapons. Why they want that isn't clear but I assume it's because they're itching for another war they can't win.
Those who think that the Iranian agreement on their nuclear program brought peace and security are either misguided, ignorant, or being dishonest. Central to any Islamic “truce” is understanding are two key principles, al-Taqiyya and Hudna. Of additional significance is that Hudna’s are most often agreed upon for a 10 year period
The principle of al-Taqiyya
"Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible...and obligatory to lie if the goal is obligatory."
-- Abu Hammid Ghazali
"Allah's Apostle said, "Who is willing to kill Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?" Thereupon Muhammad bin Maslama got up saying, "O Allah's Apostle! Would you like that I kill him?" The Prophet said, "Yes," Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Kab). "The Prophet said, "You may say it."
- Hadith 5.59.369
Hudna is an Arabic term that technically translates into "calm" or "truce", as in a truce struck between two warring nations. But a hudna is not just any truce or ceasefire. A hudna is a "tactical truce" that has it's beginnings with Muhammad:
In the year 628 AD, when surmising that his [Mohammed's] forces were too weak to overcome the rival Kuraysh tribes, the Prophet Mohammed concluded a ten-year truce accord with the Kuraysh. This agreement became known as the Hudaybiyya Accord, after the place where it was signed. Yet, less than two years later, having consolidated their power, the Muslim forces attacked the Kuraysh tribes and defeated them, allowing Mohammed to conquer the city of Mecca.
Since that time, the term Hudna has been understood by Muslims as a tactical cease-fire that is intended only to allow a shift the balance of power. Once the balance of power has shifted, and the groundwork has been laid for a Muslim victory, the truce can then be broken.
Hudna is the battlefield or political application of al-Taqiyya. It's purpose is to give the illusion of desiring peace while actively masking a rethinking, regrouping, or rearming when faced with a superior opponent. The above citation was from EmbassyofIsrael.org, obviously experienced in the typical course of Islamic ceasefires. Here is one from Omdurman.org on the same subject affirming a kind of deception that is fundamental to Islam:
What is being touted as a 'cease-fire' is something called a 'hudna.' A hudna [also known as a hudibiyya or khudaibiya] is a tactical cease-fire that allows the Arabs to rebuild their terrorist infrastructure in order to be more effective when the "cease-fire" is called off.
FINALLY!!!!! Someone with knowledge of what guides the Muslim mind is able to teach the infidel political correctness zealots WHY you CANNOT trust Iran. At least Israel has the intelligence to disregard Hamas when it calls for a "cease fire" because it KNOWS that is nothing more than a Hudna. I have been trying for what seems like forever to explain why Taqiyya is the very reason why Iran can not be trusted, but it falls on the blind and deaf around here who keep dreaming that the JCPOA, the NPT, the UN and the IAEA will control them. LOL
Central to any Islamic “truce” is understanding are two key principles, al-Taqiyya and Hudna.
Quoting Islamic Text is unbelievably silly. The Russians aren’t Muslim, but they lie whenever it suits their purposes. All governments lie and try to get away with whatever they can. That’s why there’s no trust involved with agreements like JCPOA. The agreement has to be verifiable, which JCPOA is. All P5+1 countries are within range of Iranian missiles except the US. Yet, all those in-range countries want to stay in the agreement. Obama didn’t negotiate JCPOA for the US, US experts did. The reason Trump exited JCPOA is because he’s an idiot.
The agreement has to be verifiable, which JCPOA is.
That's a matter of opinion.
All P5+1 countries are within range of Iranian missiles except the US.
China is one of if not the biggest importer of Iranian oil, Russia is a supporter, and to the European countries the money they can make is more important than the safety of the world (especially the safety of Israel for which they don't give a shit).
It is, but I'll take the opinion of an international group of experts over Trump's.
... to the European countries the money they can make is more important than the safety of the world ...
That's a matter of opinion, yours, vs. the Europeans. Again, my no contest choice is the Europeans. As for China, Xi Jinping despises Kim Jong-un. The Chinese central bank has instructed banks not to deal with NK, the Chinese have stopped importing NK coal, and the Chinese are shutting down NK Businesses. Then Kim is called to China for a 4 day secretive meeting. He returns to NK and declares that he will denuclearize. I'd say the Chinese care quite a bit about who has nukes.
"I'd say the Chinese care quite a bit about who has nukes."
Yes, especially when they're RIGHT NEXT DOOR, but that doesn't address the fact that China, which needs oil, gets an awful lot of it from Iran.
As well, there are experts and there are experts. I didn't say I relied on Trump's word on anything. You're free to choose and believe whatever experts you wish, and so am I.
You're free to choose and believe whatever experts you wish, and so am I.
The problem is that you’re choosing the minority position. What I’ve found with conservatives is that they choose their positions ideologically and then search for experts/scientists who back that position. E.g. 5 of the P5+1 believe JCPOA is a good deal, as do a majority of Americans, but that is not what your tribe wants to believe. So you search out experts who agree with your minority position and site them.
Climate change is another example. The overwhelming majority of earth scientists say it is happening, but conservative ideology is that you don’t tax/regulate businesses and acceptance of climate change would require those things. So, climate change it not happening and you can find support for that position because only 99+% of papers support anthropogenic climate change. There are <1% who support the not happening/conspiracy position. There are many examples of this behavior that I know of going back about 70 years.
but that doesn't address the fact that China, which needs oil, gets an awful lot of it from Iran.
This is irrelevant. No one except those trying to develop nuclear weapons wants more nuclear weapons. If your implication is that China does not care about its people or the rest of the world, note that China is instituting a Carbon Market (cap-and-trade) to reduce pollution. China is rolling out universal healthcare. China is building infrastructure projects in about 70 countries (Belt and Road). It appears to be China that cares more than the US, and I really hate that.
Yes, I agree with you that China cares about its people and what it is doing to improve life here. I have seen it from here. I'm not as sure as you that what it is doing is for the benefit of others, unless improvements made for others also has the effect of being a benefit for China. China is not that altruistic.
Go ahead and make my day, and label me. I'm either right wing or left wing depending on the issue. On the test someone recently posted I was almost exactly in the centre of the diagram, just inside the Ghandi box. To confound those who think I'm right wing, I believe in women's free choice for abortion, stringent gun controls and universal single-payer health care, and as for those thinking I'm left wing, I think Israel must be able to defend itself from its neighbours, most of whom want to wipe it off the map and annihilate not only the Israeli Jews, but world Jewry, and it's not going to be able to defend itself if it has a Jimmy Carter or Mahatma Ghandi as PM and a government of suckholes, and I would much rather Steven Harper and his Conservative party were in power in Canada instead of Justin Trudeau and his Liberals, and I also think Europe is turning to shit because of its open door immigration policy, and even though I'm a Canadian I think I have more respect for the Stars and Stripes and the American national anthem than a lot of Americans, so please tell me, Skrekk, just what "tribe" do YOU think I belong to? Obviously JumpDrive has no idea what "tribe" I belong to but without really knowing me he thinks he can label me.
What I’ve found with conservatives is that they choose their positions ideologically and then search for experts/scientists who back that position. E.g. 5 of the P5+1 believe JCPOA is a good deal, as do a majority of Americans, but that is not what your tribe wants to believe.
From the total context I really don't think it was referring to Indian tribes notwithstanding the headdress on my avatar - the word "tribe" is also used with respect to something else, and usually in a derogatory manner, and the total expression is much more relevant to interpret it to mean the latter.
However, if your comment is meant to indicate that I'm not entitled to use that avatar, I had absolutely no intention to mean it as being presumptuous or an insult and I will immediately restore my previous one. I would not have used it had not Kavika said these things to me when I told him how much I admired it and wanted to use it (but not if anyone was disturbed by my doing so) as I thought it was a fantastic avatar and considered it an honour and a privilege to be allowed to use it:
"You are considered a honorary member of the Ojibwe nation, Buzz. That is a fact and using the headdress and star of David is perfectly acceptable."
"I expect to see your new avatar within the day, Buzz... "
But as I said, RW, I will change back to my old avatar if you prefer, because our friendship means much more to me than the use of an avatar.
I don't believe that RW wants you to change it back Buzz. She was just commenting on why someone brought it up.
I believe that RW along with me backs your use of the avatar and if they knew the background of how and why you are using it they would not being making comments about it.
The reason we have scientists, or experts of any kind, is to give us a common reality. A common reality makes it possible to solve problems. If someone picks a minority position like JCPOA is a bad deal, climate change is not happening, tax cuts for the rich trickle down meaningfully, abstinence training reduces unwanted pregnancies, … they’re picking a position because it is the position of their tribe. Why bother having scientists/experts if you’re going to ignore the majority opinion and pick the position you like?
I have been guilty of doing this, and I do feel stupid when my position is rightfully trashed. Truthfully though, I didn’t select ’tribe’ as an insult, but you’re right, it is. Sorry.
I chose the word ‘tribe’ because it is usually the case that people in a tribe support each other unconditionally. Many may consider conservatives and liberals as tribes, but that’s way to broad for me. I am liberal, but I can’t support some common liberal positions. E.g. political correctness, gender pay inequality beliefs.
But as I said, RW, I will change back to my old avatar if you prefer,
Absolutely NOT!!! No way do I want you to change it. I was merely thinking that perhaps the Indian Headdress in your avatar might have given the other person the wrong idea about your ethnic heritage. Not that I thought you should change it. I think it is great, and says just what you want it to say and what it represents. So no way do I want you to change it.
I hope that clears up the misunderstanding. (smile)
Apology accepted, especially as given by a person who has the backbone and civility to deliver one, as there are many on this site who haven't got what it takes to do it.
I don't think it's right in any event to label me as only supporting or adhering to either liberal/left or conservative/right, as I try to point out in this comment above:
My friends on this site are of all persuasions, and most, at least, are mature enough to know that I am capable of being convinced to change my opinions. We remain friends because we accept that different people with different life experiences can have different opinions.
I will not use the word tribe unless my intention is to insult; insulting is a useless strategy on a debating site like this. So you’ve retired a word.
But I want to explain how damaging tribal behavior is. The administration is going ahead with abstinence training programs. In states that do this (Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi) they have the highest out of wedlock teenage birthrates. It does not work. I remember a TV ad from 20, maybe 30, years ago, “Giving teenagers contraceptives is like giving them the keys to the car”. This is idiotic. Teenagers were born with keys and they’re going to drive. Giving them contraceptives is telling them to wear seat belts. Those who produced the ad had the analogy completely wrong, but I imagine if you ran this ad today, the abstinence training/anti-birth-control tribe would share it widely on Facebook. How can you solve a problem when you have a large number of people practicing tribal behavior like this?
Mike Kortan, FBI Assistant Director for Public Affairs - FIRED [cooperating under 'resigned' title]
Josh Campbell, Special Assistant to James Comey - FIRED [DOJ]
David Laufman, Chief of the Justice Department’s Counterintelligence and Export Control Section [NAT SEC - HRC email invest] - FIRED/FORCE
John Carlin, Assistant Attorney General – Head of DOJ’s National Security Division - FIRED/FORCE
Sally Yates, Deputy Attorney General & Acting Attorney General - FIRED
Mary McCord, Acting Assistant Attorney General – Acting Head of DOJ’s National Security Division - FIRED/FORCE
Bruce Ohr, Associate Deputy Attorney General – Demoted 2x - cooperating witness [power removed]
Rachel Brand, Associate Attorney General – No. 3 official behind Deputy AG Rosenstein - FIRED/FORCE
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regardless of what side of the isle, the traitors are being removed
the sound you hear is globalism being flushed and progressives being crushed.
trump is the first president ever to give his presidential salary back to the country
trump is also the first president in history to cost us a lot more in security because of his "Winter White House" so I dont see his forgoing a salary as any big deal. He got what he wanted, to be able to go "home' when ever he wants. Nice trade off for a man who doesn't need the money I'd say.
The US Fiscal Year(FY) runs from 10/1 of one year to 9/30 of the next year. The US debt on 5/9/18 was $21,041B, on 9/30/17 it was $20,244B, and on 9/30/16 is was $19,573B.
So, the increase in the US Debt for FY 2017 was $20,244B - $19,573B = $671B The increase for the first 7 months of FY 2018 is $21,041B - $20,244B = $797B
If we’re doing so well, why have we already increased the debt $797B with 5 months still to go in this fiscal year?
Okay, which companies and how much are they paying?
I assume you MIGHT have some REAL evidence to present to back your claim up.
Please post your source!
I NEVER BLUFF! And when I repudiate a source, I always give the particulars regarding the source rather than drop a one-line summary, off-handed dismissal.
Iran will be just one more LOBBY cash cow for Trump.
The numbers compiled by the Center for Responsive Politics , a nonpartisan organization that tracks money in American politics, might not seem surprising. The amount spent on lobbying during the first nine months of Donald Trump’s presidency, it found, was higher than in any corresponding period since 2012. A new administration would attract a new wave of lobbying, you would think.
Except that Mr. Trump promised something different. “For too long, a small group in our nation’s capital has reaped the rewards of government while the people have borne the cost,” he said in his Inaugural Address . “Washington flourished — but the people did not share in its wealth.”
Washington, though, has continued to flourish, and Trump himself has reaped some of the rewards. A new report from Public Citizen , a nonpartisan government watchdog, documents more than 60 examples of lobbying groups, foreign governments and corporate interests holding parties and meetings in Trump family properties, including that beacon for Washington lobbyists, the Trump International Hotel in D.C.
Mar-a-Lago, the Trump-owned private club where the president spends much of his time, charged up to $750 per person to spend New Year’s Eve with him.
As we have noted, this all began with the festivities surrounding the inauguration, which were bankrolled by coal, oil, gas, chemical, technology and pharmaceutical companies that forked over a big chunk of the record $107 million raised for the inaugural events. Organizers aren’t saying how much was spent and what was done with the leftover money — likely tens of millions of dollars — which they said would go to charity, USA Today reported on Thursday .
But what is clear is that Mr. Trump and Republicans in Congress have been doing corporate interests’ bidding ever since.
The Trump transition’s “beachhead teams,” which essentially took control of federal departments and other agencies without needing Senate approval, bristled with lobbyists, some working inside the same agencies regulating their former industries. Cartoonishly self-interested cabinet members and senior advisers were drawn from the corporate elite Mr. Trump derided on the campaign trail . “I’m going to fight for every person in this country who believes government should serve the people — not the donors and special interests,” Mr. Trump promised. Not so much.
Instead, Mr. Trump got to work serving those special interests , signing executive orders gutting environmental, health and safety rules, sometimes as his industry masters looked on. Interested more in media attention than in governing, Mr. Trump stages televised meetings where he glowers “Apprentice”-style and demands that Congress send him legislation to sign. What a perfect scenario for big Republican donors. They help write perks for their industries into the bill, then congressional leaders push it under the pen of a president who signs pretty much anything. Take the December tax “reform.” It shortchanges low-income people, working families and the elderly to grant a big payday to multinational corporations, hedge funds, and the Trump family businesses. Mr. Trump doesn’t seem to read legislation or much else, but there’s no doubt that last part caught his eye.
I asked to name the companies and how much they will pay, according to you, for exceptions so they can do business with Iran.
The answer is "any/every company that will want to do business with Iran as a ban on doing so is imposed."
The stage has been set by virtue of the information I posted.
Your gotcha' question does not need to be answered in the way you require … deductive reasoning and already established precedent set the table for the obvious.
Looking the other way is characteristic of Trump sycophants; the opacity of Trump World is designed to make "the numbers" hidden … as in his tax returns (along with hush money pay outs). Even if the names of companies and dollar figures were able to be given, you'd still poo poo the information as "fake news."
If you actually believe that what I posited and precedent are meaningless, it's because that's what you want to believe.
Trump has granted more lobbyist waivers in 4 months than Obama did in 8 years
Violating his own ethics rules at a staggering pace.
On the campaign trail, Donald Trump presented himself as the ultimate outsider who would rid Washington of special interest corruption and “drain the swamp.” And immediately after taking office, he signed a flashy executive order tightening restrictions on lobbyists’ work in the executive branch .
The left consistently misrepresents who the swamp is. The swamp consists of the career bureaucrats and politicians who exist to maintain and increase statist power and control over our lives. Only by rolling back regulations and government agencies, and purging the statists in both parties can we return liberty and Constitutional governance to our Republic
No surprise that the war hawks from the Bush era are now back in charge feeding the frenzy of war.
Trump is a proven liar, so now he has set America up with himself as our guide to being liars on the world stage and no one in the world will trust him and they will not trust America. This isn't about just one "deal".
This is all to create more profits for Russia, for profits for all oil barons and oil conglomerates not to mention all the arms dealers who will profit.
Trump is the biggest globalist there is. Not one Trump voter bothered to even look up the Trump worldwide empire and the countries Trump is established in. Trump never released his tax returns because he does not want his own base to know how much of his money and investments are tied up invested in other countries. Not America.
This is a move that will allow Trump to profit as well since Trump refused to divest, he said his sons are running things but put his family as appointees in the White House. This is all crooked as it gets.
All the "Old Geezer Club" wants to do is turn back the clock to everything they knew back in their youth and glory days. Back to the Cold War, back to everything before they allowed America to deteriorate and failed to see what their previous actions would create.
They fail to recognize that while every southern border state has been a red state for at least 50 years and vote predominately Republican, those Republicans are the ones who failed to do anything about immigration or our borders for years.
Republicans in border states took campaign cash from wealthy businessmen and then catered to them and turned a blind eye to illegal immigration with a nod and a wink to those donors who wanted cheap labor.
That process has not changed one bit. Republicans do NOT go after their wealthy donors who use illegals as a labor force, they play a passive aggressive game allowing it to happen then lying to their base getting tough on immigration but never, ever, ever doing anything to stop businesses from getting away with hiring them.
Trump himself hires a ton of foreign workers at his properties getting them special Visa's instead of hiring American workers.
Not one Trump voter bothered to even look up the Trump worldwide empire and the countries Trump is established in. Trump never released his tax returns because he does not want his own base to know how much of his money and investments are tied up invested in other countries. Not America.
Let us be clear … the Trump base has one requirement of himself and all other elected officials …
That they be their "Jess Willards!"
Republicans since 2010 have done nothing economically viable for middle class Americans, and particularly not for the angry white voter.
Get an ability to actually post substantive discussion in a discussion forum.
If you think there's no viable reason to know what's in a POTUS' tax return … it's because you don't want to know.
We have the right to know why the president of the United States continues to hide his tax returns from us. While we should have seen them years ago, this is not an old, irrelevant story. In fact, seeing them is more important now than it’s ever been.
President Trump has been lying about this question from the beginning. In 2014, he told an interviewer, “If I decide to run for office, I’ll produce my tax returns. Absolutely.” When he ran, he said “I will absolutely give my returns but I’m being audited now for two or three years, so I can’t do it until the audit is finished.” This was completely false: The Internal Revenue Service doesn’t prevent anyone from publicly releasing their tax returns while they’re being audited. Then when Trump took office, he and and his aides switched gears to argue that this was all settled by the election.
In the past, a president’s tax returns (or those of candidates) tended not to be very interesting. Politicians might have a salary, royalties from books, mutual funds, speaking fees and so on. But Trump was different. In fact, there has never been a president for whom it was more important that we see his returns. Trump owns a large private company that is set up as an intricate network of hundreds of subsidiary organizations. In places all over the world, it makes deals with local developers, who are often engaged in questionable relationships with corrupt governments.
Every time journalists take a hard look at one of Trump’s projects, they seem to uncover a web of shady dealings, often involving oligarchs from the former Soviet Union. Unless you’re pathologically obsessed with following Trump news, you probably haven’t heard much about the Kazakhstan connection to the failed Trump Soho , the failed Trump project in the former Soviet republic of Georgia or the failed Trump Tower in Toronto, to name just a few. All were complicated stories that raised troubling questions about the way Trump and his cronies do business, and with whom.
Only those who hate our nation and individual liberty demand to see a president or political candidates tax returns. There is NO Constitutional basis for this demand
FDR, JFK, and LBJ refused to do so. FDR required that his couldn’t be released until after His death.
and Trump’s will not show anything that the left believes they will see.
Most of the reported income will be from K-1s from his various companies and royalties. They will only reveal the names of those companies and the amount of income or loss reported.
Only those who hate our nation and individual liberty demand to see a president or political candidates tax returns. There is NO Constitutional basis for this demand
Only a candidate with something to hide refuses to accede, not to "demands" for putting his "cards" on the table, but to the inherent need necessity of proving his shady past can stand the light of day.
"Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it."
_ Mark Twain
Individual liberty entitles every American to demand such things of the POTUS … particularly after incessant cries for those things heaped on the past President!
How many tax returns did LBJ, JFK, Eisenhower, Truman, Roosevelt ever release?
Every president since Richard Nixon has followed the custom of releasing their returns or summary tax information, except for President Donald Trump, who has now declined to release his taxes for a third year in a row.Mar 15, 2017.
Why not ask when Presidents began to release tax returns …
All but the Jess Willard crowd know why not.*
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* And even they know … but he champions their fantasy, so, they don't want to know.
We have the right to know why the president of the United States continues to hide his tax returns from us.
That's simple. You ready? He doesn't release them because THERE IS NOTHING SAYING HE HAS TO. There is no prerequisite, law or mandate stating that he must.
So, the answer is zero. Funny you wouldn't just say that, as it is the truth.
The answer to the question, the way you bastardized it to make it both rhetorical, and, irrelevant to Trump's broken promise, is disingenuous.
Tax returns are private, and until a law is passed saying that they are not, you have no right to them.
TRUMP PROMISED HE'D RELEASE THEM, so, "privacy" is not an issue.
Nothing in the WORLD ever stopped those people from releasing their taxes, but they all CHOSE not to, just like Trump.
Again, irrelevant in that those choosing not to release the returns NEVER PROMISED THEY WOULD!; nor were they know for histories of dishonest dealings!
Wouldn't it be rather silly of me to bitch about their non-release of taxes like you are about Trump?
Only had they promised to release them and were known for slimy business dealings.
Very nice segue into all other things Trump after striking out on his taxes.
Nice, very, very nice deflection!
Let me help you connect the dots; since Russia and Russian money and Facebook, etc., are connected, Trump's tax returns might
1) Show some financial links to Russia that could compromise his priorities as POTUS, or
2) Remove all doubt one way or the other
But, under the circumstances, it appears that Trump fears what the returns might show.
As for discussions with you, invariably you make it personal and imply that I'm either stupid or dishonest; let me know when you will be willing to discuss on a point-counter-point basis and we can resume. Otherwise, your Trumpian style annoys me.
And a few ads on Facebook and other social media sites didn't sway the election.
87 million identities stolen from Facebook!
Cambridge Analytica -- A Steve Bannon connection!
Facebook revealed Wednesday that "malicious actors" had scraped the personal data of most of its users by using a search feature to find their profile pages.
The company also revealed that the Cambridge Analytica data leak was potentially much bigger than first estimated; the data firm may have gotten access to the data on up to 87 million users.
The revelations come as the company is still reeling from and responding to the Cambridge Analytica scandal.
Nixon on steroids, indeed. In 1972, the 37th president’s dirty tricksters got caught in the Watergate with some Radio Shack-style gizmos and some badly applied duct tape trying to bug the Democratic Party’s headquarters so they could try to steal the words of one man, party chief Larry O’Brien. That act — and the various cover-ups and sleazy maneuvers that surrounded it — cost Richard Nixon his presidency.
In 2016, Donald Trump’s presidential campaign paid roughly $6 million to a firm founded by a hedge-fund billionaire supporter that used 21st-century technology, subterfuge and out-and-out fraud to essentially steal the thoughts of 50 million Americans — quite possibly you, or your friends and neighbors — to launch a psy-ops campaign against voters, to put Trump in the White House. In other words, multiply Watergate to at least the 10th power.
You might have heard this weekend that Facebook — from whom the data was obtained and where much of the ensuing psychological warfare took place in the summer and fall of 2016 — has now banned the firm , Cambridge Analytica. It was not a bold move by Mark Zuckerberg’s social media behemoth but a cowardly one, taken just minutes before some stellar reporting by the Guardian’s Carole Cadwalladr and journalists from the New York Times jointly exposed the hijacking of the data and, arguably, the theft of an American presidential election. Facebook’s too-little-too-late action was the ultimate closing of the barn door after the horse has already bolted — the horse being American democracy.
The basics of the story are this: In 2013-14, the young firm called Cambridge Analytica had backing from the right-wing billionaire, Robert Mercer ; a rising political force in its association with the Breitbart News impresario Steve Bannon ; a bold mission to, in the words of one former employee, “fight a culture war in America” and a scheme to use state-of-the-art Big Data and psychological profiling to win elections with modern propaganda.
What CA lacked, however, was the data the pull this off. That’s when what Facebook’s top lawyer has now acknowledged was “a scam — and a fraud” came into play. Wylie — the young political data maven now turned whistleblower — and the team assembled by Mercer and Bannon turned to experts in “psychometrics” at Britain’s Cambridge University; there, a Russian American (heh … a bit more on that later) professor named Aleksandr Kogan was hired for $800,000. Kogan reportedly then lied to Facebook about his real project — a personality quiz and an app that 270,000 people consented to but which allowed the firm to pull Facebook “likes” and other personal info from 50 million unsuspecting Americans. (The company also seems to have lied to Facebook about later destroying the data.)
Bolton actively conspired during his tenure as the Bush administration’s policymaker on Iran from 2002 through 2004 to establish the political conditions necessary for the administration to carry out military action.
More than anyone else inside or outside the Trump administration, Bolton has already influenced Trump to tear up the Iran nuclear deal. Bolton parlayed his connection with the primary financier behind both Benjamin Netanyahu and Donald Trump himself—the militantly Zionist casino magnate Sheldon Adelson—to get Trump’s ear last October, just as the president was preparing to announce his policy on the Iran nuclear agreement, the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA). He spoke with Trump by phone from Las Vegas after meeting with Adelson .
the primary driver of war is Iran for Shi’a Islam and jihadist groups for Sunni Islam. They are commanded to do so by the Quran
“The state which is regarded as the instrument for universalizing a certain religion must perforce be an ever expanding state. The Islamic state, whose principal function was to put God’s law into practice, sought to establish Islam as the dominant reigning ideology over the entire world. It refused to recognize the coexistence of non-Muslim communities, except perhaps as subordinate entities, because by its very nature a universal state tolerates the existence of no other state than itself. ...Muhammad’s early successors, after Islam became supreme in Arabia, were determined to embark on a ceaseless war of conquest in the name of Islam. The jihad was therefore employed as an instrument for both the universalization of religion and the establishment of an imperial world state.”
Islamic scholar Majid Khadduri in his book War and Peace in the Law of Islam published 1955
As late as November 2003, the Islamic Affairs Department (IAD) of the Saudi embassy in Washington featured this statement on its website:
“The Muslims are required to raise the banner of Jihad in order to make the Word of Allah supreme in this world, to remove all forms of injustice and oppression, and to defend the Muslims.Such a violent and expansionist program is not solely the province of Saudi Wahhabis .
The Pakistani Islamic leader Syed Abul Ala Maududi (1903-1979), who was not a Wahhabi, declared that
non-Muslims have “absolutely no right to seize the reins of power in any part of God’s earth nor to direct the collective affairs of human beings according to their own misconceived doctrines.” If they do, he said, “the believers would be under an obligation to do their utmost to dislodge them from political power and to make them live in subservience to the Islamic way of life.”
Likewise the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood theorist Sayyid Qutb (1906-1966), also a non-Wahhabi, declared: “Islam cannot accept any mixing with Jahiliyyah [the society of unbelievers]. Either Islam will remain, or Jahiliyyah; no half-half situation is possible…. The foremost duty of Islam is to depose Jahiliyyah from the leadership of man, with the intention of raising human beings to that high position which Allah has chosen for him.”
Qur’an:9:5 - “Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”
Qur’an:9:112 “The Believers fight in Allah’s Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed.”
Qur’an:9:29 “Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission.”
Qur’an:8:39 “Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.”
Qur’an:8:39 “So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world).”
Ishaq:587 “Our onslaught will not be a weak faltering affair. We shall fight as long as we live. We will fight until you turn to Islam, humbly seeking refuge. We will fight not caring whom we meet. We will fight whether we destroy ancient holdings or newly gotten gains. We have mutilated every opponent. We have driven them violently before us at the command of Allah and Islam. We will fight until our religion is established. And we will plunder them, for they must suffer disgrace.”
The sentence you posted from the article is a flat out LIE. The agreement is meant to EXTEND the time it takes Iran to obtain a bomb and does not prevent them from obtaining it in any way. In fact they are given the ability to obtain a nuclear bomb even if they follow the deal to the letter. I am supposed to waste my time reading the rest of this bullshit?
Three problems stand out. First, the JCPOA permits Iran to continue enhancing its nuclear weapons capabilities even while adhering to the letter of the agreement. It allows Iran to conduct research and development to improve its centrifuges and to develop and test potential delivery systems, and does not require Iran to submit a declaration of its past nuclear-related work. Second, the deal offers relief from sanctions that were targeted at a broad range of troubling Iranian activity in exchange for Iranian restraint in just one area, albeit a critical one. Third, it offers sanctions relief construed as indefinite, while the most important nuclear restrictions on Iran only for another six to 13 years.
The agreement is meant to EXTEND the time it takes Iran to obtain a bomb and does not prevent them from obtaining it in any way.
Your comment reveals a profound lack of understanding regarding the NPT's Additional Protocol and the IAEA's inspection regimen, and it ignores the facts that 97% of Iran's LEU and 100% of the MEU stockpile has been eliminated, and 2/3rds of their centrifuges are being warehoused and monitored by the IAEA.
Your comment shows you lack the ability to embrace reality. Iran gets to keep its Nuclear infrastructure and missile program and the deal is TEMPORARY BY DESIGN. So sorry you are unable to identify to yet ANOTHER terribly brokered deal for the US by BO.
And why exactly wouldn't they be able to do that? After all that's part of the bargain of the NPT, for non-weapons signatories to have civilian nuclear technology. In fact the weapons states are obligated to help the non-weapons states develop that technology.
It's quite delusional to think that Iran wouldn't keep its nuclear tech. But what they have done under the JCPOA is put 2/3rds of their centrifuges in IAEA-monitored storage and eliminated 97% of the LEU and all of their MEU. Trump has foolishly put all of that in jeopardy.
The decision is likely to raise the risk of conflict in the Middle East, upset America’s European allies and disrupt global oil supplies.
I'm sure that it will do all of the above and more.
How so?
Luckily the USA does not rule the World even if our Government thinks it does. Even if the US pulls out of the Deal the Deal will still stand because there are many other Countries involved in the Deal and they're not pulling out so the Deal still stands. Imposing Economic Sanctions without the backing of the UN won't mean much to Iran because they're selling their Oil to China not the US and they don't buy US Weapons anymore so there will be little effect. The only thing the USA makes that's better than anyone else's is Movies and they can just get those Pirated DVD's from China. The Real reason Obama went along with this Deal in the first place was because all the other Countries were for the Deal and it was going to happen with or without the USA so the US Gov figured it was better to be a part of it so we'd have some say so when it came to Oversight. If we hadn't agreed to the Deal we'd be seen as a disgruntled sore loser if we complained about Iran not keeping it's word if we suspected them of violating the Deal. As far as I'm concerned any "Proof" of Iran's wrongdoing that comes from Israel isn't worth squat as they have their own agenda. If Trump feels there is a problem with inspections or anything else he should bring that up with the other Signatories and see what they think.
If echoes of 2002-2003 and weapons of mass destruction weren’t already flagrant enough, Trump said the Iran nuclear agreement was built on “a giant fiction” that Iran sought only to build “a peaceful nuclear energy program.” And then he went there, using warmed-over intelligence from a speech given by Israeli President Benjamin Netanyahu last week to suggest that Iran was in contravention of the agreement.
“Today we have definitive proof that this Iranian promise was a lie,” Trump said of Iran’s nuclear energy program. “Last week, Israel published intelligence documents, long concealed by Iran, conclusively showing the Iranians regime and its history of pursuing nuclear weapons.”
None of what Netanyahu presented in his flashy speech was new to U.S. intelligence officials , and the only thing it proved is what the U.S. already knew: “that Iran once had an unauthorized nuclear program.”
But by saying, “Today we have definitive proof,” Trump deliberately sought to blur the line between present and past. Trump’s new national security adviser John Bolton is apparently trying to revisit the glory of his mushroom-cloud days in the George W. Bush administration.
Amac, I cant help reading this post and think you are trying to convince people Iran's nuclear program is strictly peaceful and that no one has anything to worry about now that we have our ridiculous "deal" BO brokered that guarantees Nuclear weapons eventually, even if they adhere to all the stipulations?. Seriously. Do YOU even believe this shit?
12 inspectors have been on the ground in Iran, and, multiple sites dismantled; the absence of a deal and a deal reneged upon, particularly trying to enter one with North Korea, is a pair of disasters waiting to happen.
Trump's objectives are always about undoing Obama initiatives, and, lining his own pockets at your expense and mine; his base and the political whores in Congress to which they pander, will erode the basis of democratic principles and prioritizing the "common good."
It's all about making America WHITE again and playing to the fantasies and scapegoating of the ignorant.
What a buffoon. Does he really think Iran will care? They are probably happy about it.
The real buffoons are those lowly educated Obama-bots who believed this deal was good for the USA.
Sure. Isolating the US from allies is a great thing. Do you think the rest of the world will go along with our new sanctions? I don't. What are we going to do? Give everyone an exemption?
It is an idiot move that only appeases his rabid base.
"It is an idiot move that only appeases his rabid base."
And they are really frothing at the mouth with this latest one.
Not agreeing with them on one issue is hardly "isolating the US from allies."
Have you ever heard the saying, "keep your friends close, and your enemies closer.."? That's what the Iran deal did, it allowed us to keep close tabs on them. Now? We can't. Trump just created the next North Korea.
Imo, no one is going to want to deal or negotiate with the US. They will proceed without us.
Not at all. You just have to make deals that actually have the support of the people. This agreement did not.
Most Americans can't point out Iran on a map, why should those in government care what they think about an arrangement meant to prevent them from attaining a nuclear weapon? Do you seriously think most people would even understand the basics of such a thing? 99% of Americans couldn't even tell you what uranium enrichment actually is.
Sell that bullshit elsewhere. I ain't buying.
There are many specific examples of Trump's buffoonery … and, just as soon as you provide specifics for your pronouncement, I'll post a number of them.
One-line pieces of demagoguery with no attempts whatsoever to provide particulars … are quite characteristic of Trumpism.
Do you ever make an actual case, or are pronouncements and complicated thoughts the Trumpian way?
The hardline right wingers in Iran are definitely happy about it.
Don't you just love the fucking irony when the Neo-Nazi, White Supremacist, Evangelical ("The-Jews-Killed-Christ-and-Today-Delay-the-Messiah's-Coming) Wing of the Trump sycophants … suddenly become "Pro-Israel?!!!"
My family and the families of other Jews know too well the insidious agendas, overt and covert, of anti-Semitic rhetoric and violence and the politicians who pander to it. And whether it comes from Muslims, Christians or slimy politicians, those who are selectively indignant … are hypocrites!
Despite the presence of a dozen nuclear inspectors on the ground in Iran and the dismantling of facilities therein … Jess Willard's boys and girls love killing the "Iran Deal" … and … all else that de facto says, "F You, Obama!"
Without a fuckin' clue as to why the American Embassy move to Jerusalem has many catastrophic possibilities, they loudly cheer Trump's touting the move at his recent rally … not because they are schooled in the history or realities, rather, so that their Great White Hope can continue dismantling the initiatives of a Black man who formerly occupied a white house!
And since these political correctness-objectors claim that "PC" is unacceptable and a liberal capitulation to … OMG … of all things … human decency …
… back atcha'!
And now … let us prepare for a well-orchestrated gang-bang, a barrage of one liners and pronouncements of adolescently-conceived making, rife with Foxy alternative facts.
Oh! Almost forgot …
AP: Adelson offers to help pay for Jerusalem embassy
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
02/23/2018 06:03 AM EST
In one possible scenario, the administration would solicit contributions not only from Adelson but potentially from other donors in the evangelical and American Jewish communities, too. One official said Adelson, a Las Vegas casino magnate and staunch supporter of Israel, had offered to pay the difference between the total cost — expected to run into the hundreds of millions of dollars — and what the administration is able to raise.
Under any circumstance, letting private citizens cover the costs of an official government building would mark a significant departure from historical U.S. practice. In the Jerusalem case, it would add yet another layer of controversy to Trump's politically charged decision to move the embassy, given Adelson's longstanding affiliation with right-wing Israeli politics.
It's not clear if there are any precedents, nor whether government lawyers would give the green light to accept Adelson's or anyone else's donations for the embassy.
Otherwise …
Sheldon Adelson gives $30 million in bid to save
House
GOP
majority — and could give more this year
I'll assume for now (I'll fact check it) that it's true, BF; Avenatti is newsworthy so, he gets a fee for appearances; that's not the same as buying a politician … and, no one would know Avenatti had Trump kept his pants zippered and Michael Cohen and Trump hadn't been involved in a NDA about which their story keeps changing, and, which ultimately may have legal ramifications.
FOR THE RECORD … The Free Beacon did not prove that any such payments were actually made … from the link you provided …
BY: David Rutz
May 11, 2018 11:00 am
Stormy Daniels attorney Michael Avenatti has earned nearly $175 million in free media during his appearances on cable outlets MSNBC and CNN over the past two months, a Washington Free Beacon analysis shows.
Daniels, a porn actress whose real name is Stephanie Clifford, claims she slept with President Donald Trump in 2006 and received a $130,000 hush payment from Trump's attorney Michael Cohen. She has also said she was physically threatened to keep silent about it. Trump has denied the affair.
The Washington Free Beacon analyzed 108 appearances by Avenatti on MSNBC and CNN over a 64-day period from March 7 to May 10. To calculate his earned media time, the Free Beacon multiplied the length of his appearances on a program by its "National Publicity Value" determination from media monitoring site TVEyes.com.
The total came out to $174,631,598.07 from at least 65 CNN appearances and 43 MSNBC appearances. Avenatti's favorite shows include CNN's "Anderson Cooper 360" (at least 20 interviews), MSNBC's "The Last Word with Lawrence O'Donnell" (14), CNN's "New Day" (12), CNN's "Tonight with Don Lemon" (eight), and MSNBC's "Deadline White House" (seven).
As previously reported by conservative media watch dog NewsBusters , Avenatti has appeared on CNN an average of more than once per day during the period under analysis.
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The Beacon and other right-wing sources can CALCULATE all they like …
BUT THAT AIN'T PROOF THAT Avenatti was paid the amount CALCULATED … or anything at all.
'I'll assume for now (I'll fact check it) that it's true, BF; Avenatti is newsworthy so, he gets a fee for appearances; that's not the same as buying a politician … and, no one would know Avenatti had Trump kept his pants zippered and Michael Cohen and Trump hadn't been involved in a NDA about which their story keeps changing, and, which ultimately may have legal ramifications.'
I would like you to explain your "more shady" assessment if you would.
FYI: Over the course of the campaign, Trump earned close to $2 billion worth of media attention, about twice the all-in price of the most expensive presidential campaigns in history. It is also twice the estimated $746 million that Hillary Clinton, the next best at earning media, took in. Senator Bernie Sanders has earned more media than any of the Republicans except Mr. Trump.
Oh I know the hardliners in Iran are thrilled, they hated this thing from the get go so a US president unilaterally ruining it is a major victory for them. Now the Ayatollah is somewhat backed into a corner on the issue and the moderates such as the current Iranian president have been cut down at the knees. Definitely a major victory for those in Iran that want a bomb.
The hard liners from Iran were also thrilled when the deal was signed and Iran received extra millions from the US that could be used to improve their conventional army and expand/improve their Shai militias operating in Syria, Iraq, and Yemen.
I am sure they will get over the hurt as their economy is improving; and the money continues to flow in and their military/militia power expands in the region. The agreement will not prevent Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons; it will only delay the inevitable. Russia, China, and even the EU will not allow sanctions to "snap back into place" if Iran is caught violating the terms. The EU is already getting hooked on Iranian oil; and all parties love that Iran literally needs everything high tech, and big ticket items to rebuild their infrastructure and economy.
If Trump pulls the US from the Iranian deal Iran is still supposedly bound by the UN Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty that they signed. Of course they signed it back in 1968; and it didn't stop them from violating it- so why would anyone think this agreement or the Treaty would stop them now?
And the Idiot in Chief proves just how much worse of an Idiot he can be. He will not be satisfied until he has the US engaged in another World War with no allies. And he proves just how stupid and empty headed his base truly is to support him. Supporting ones party is one thing, supporting a manic idiot simply because he ran on their party ticket is quite another, and shows there really is no real brain power behind their thinking.
The price for their stupidity will be more than they ever thought they would have to pay simply to satisfy their greed to control our government.
History will not treat him kindly. Nor those who voted for him.
He actually had the nerve to say, It didn't bring calm, it didn't bring peace.
All seemed calm and peaceful to me. Maybe now not so much.
Really? Because . . .
Iran remains top terror sponsor as global attacks decline
The deal had nothing to do with terrorism or terrorist attacks.
Yes! You are correct! That's one of the major flaws it has. Obama lifted sanctions and gave them billions of dollars without any concern for how they might spend it. Well, they are spending it on murdering innocent people. I can't fathom why anyone would think that's a good thing.
Because the point was to stop them from developing a bomb, not to stop them from engaging in proxy wars against the Saudis.
So then, let's make it "better" by giving them a path to a nuclear holocaust … is that the idea?
Go back in time a few years and tell Chuck Schumer he was wrong.
How does this do that? Iran still has a deal with 5 other countries. If it's such an effective deal, and Iran really doesn't want to develop nuclear weapons, then it shouldn't matter if the US pulls out.
Or . . . it could be they've lying the whole time. Nahhh. Not Iran.
It's actually 8 other countries and they too will be sanctioned if they continue to do business with Iran. Richard Grenell, the U.S. ambassador to Germany tweeted Tuesday evening -
European businesses told Mr Grenell to shut the hell up and they'd rather not do business in the US if it comes to that. This will drive down the power of the dollar against the euro. Tell me again how that tax cut we got was so good it would increase our economic growth by 5% and pay for itself?
LMFAO!!!! What a crock of shit!
How come tariffs on US products are practically expected in many instances but when we try to respond in kind it is considered a trade war?
You guys that think other countries want to get into a trade war with us, and that we would lose, are funny.
Newspapers still exist. Open one.
Start with Israel bombing Iranian terrorists in Syria last week.
Or maybe lookup the Iranian missiles being launched at Saudi Arabia by Iranian proxies
ISTANBUL — Iranian Pres. Hassan Rouhani said he has directed his diplomats to negotiate with European countries, Russia and China about remaining in the nuclear deal despite the U.S. withdrawal from the agreement.
But Rouhani said Iran is ready to start unlimited uranium enrichment if these negotiations do not yield benefits in a couple of weeks.
Iranian officials struck a defiant tone Tuesday as President Trump withdrew the United States from a landmark nuclear deal with Tehran, a move that reimposes harsh economic sanctions and could prompt Iran to restart suspended nuclear activities.
~LINK~
When your actions make the mullahs happy, maybe you should temper that excitement. Since Trump is a lying gasbag of bullshit, it doesn't matter what he says about anything. He doesn't even understand it any more than his supporters, he has no interest in these things that don't directly affect him. The Iranian hardliners never wanted the agreement and are happy to say 'I told you so' and start it all up again. And the world will work without us having influence or trust. We may never get our credibility back after this reign of terror. Hard to believe I'm watching people believe lies again, no wonder the world thinks Americans are morons.
So you completely trust the mullahs and Hassan Rouhani, the Supreme Leader of Iran?
Now we have no choice but to trust them since we have now fore fitted our right to inspect them and keep them honest.
Inspecting them 24 DAYS after we give them notice is pretty STUPID.
That would like cop with a search warrant being told :Come back in 24 days with that!"
Fu....ing ridiculous!
Uranium isotopes last a LOT longer than 24 days, (4.5 billion years longer). If they move it, we can detect it. Again, DUH.
There is no point in waiting 24 days to inspect. That's freaking crazy.
That is like telling a cop with a warrant to search your home "Come back in 24 days and I'll let you in".
SMDH at the magnitude of stupidity in a deal like that.
Keep them honest?
Hey, Mr. Frost. Have I got a deal for you. I have access to the rights to a highway tollbooth between Chengdu and Chongqing that is worth a million US bucks a year that you can buy for just a one-time one million US dollars. I'll send you my banking info for the transfer, and upon receipt of the funds I'll deliver to you a transfer of those rights.
No, that is completely on point. Inspections are looking for evidence that they are violating the agreement, a simple Geiger counter finding those isotopes would be that evidence.
Don't listen to Trumpians, science IS YOUR FRIEND...
Don't forget that one of the other provisions was that there were some sites that the Iranians only could "inspect" for violations.. They wouldn't cheat on those would they? /s
Trump isn't the only one who thinks/thought we would be better with no deal than this bad one.
My Position on the Iran Deal by Chuck Schumer 8/6/2015
Some of his comments:
Of course today, he'll say it's a terrible idea to withdraw from the deal. Because politics.
Trump just told Iran to go back to making nukes... Good job trump. [eye roll]
What makes you think they ever stopped??
What makes you think they didn't?
IMPASSE
The fact that it takes energy to enrich Uranium to weapons grade and the power stations and reactors they are using aren't running that amount of electricity. With our satellite technology, it would be visible from space.
Add to that, a curious thing happened in 2009 with Stuxnet arriving in Iranian Uranium enrichment centrifuges - and causing them to break. Ever read about Zero Day ?
No one can say with certainty who pulled off the Stuxnet virtual weapon, but it's certain they had Western influences in mind. I rest easy thinking that the capability for the U.S. or our allies still have the capability to monitor what Iran is trying to do with their Uranium.
That said, the ending of the allied accord with Iran and addition of sanctions will make it harder to monitor the amounts of Uranium they can obtain through other channels and possibly strengthen their resolve to do so.
It's ok. Germany, France, UK, Russia, and China are still in the deal. I'm sure they'll prevent that from happening. [eye roll]
Really?
Supply the quote, since YOU CLAIMED IT.
Bet you can't!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
yeah, I know the definition, but am awfully glad you took the time to look it up so YOU will know it, too.
What you consider paraphrasing is different than what was said and implied.
But that's okay, I don't expect all to understand.
In this case, with the intent of unfairly and hysterically giving an overly negative characterization.
Trump has no idea how good or bad this deal is, nor does he care. He pulled out of the deal because Obama's signature is on it, period. It would not have mattered one iota WHAT was in this deal, Trump would have called it a terrible deal and pulled out. This isn't about Iran, it isn't about nukes, to Trump it's about his hatred of Obama, nothing more.
Sure, you keep believing that tripe!
Bingo.
Oh!
I can TRUMP THE SHIT OUT OF THAT PICTURE!
A war monger and a whore monger - what a pair!
Rump is insanely jealous of President Obama and all of his accomplishments and his intelligence and the fact that President Obama is a decent and respected and admired around the world MAN. Donald Rump has no claim to being a man, he's a toddler throwing a never ending tantrum. That is the only reason he is doing this - you are correct - his hatred of President Obama, nothing more.
LOL stop playing with your imagination
trump has done more for our country in under two yrs than obama did in 8yrs
the funny part? trump still has 6yrs to go ( YES/ trump will be re-elected
Donald Rump has lined his pockets in the last however many months this nightmare has been going on . . . that's all he's done.
Tick, tock - I saw Hannity for a brief moment on Trevor Noah - that's where I learned where you get all your talking points from - Dick, I mean, Sean Hannity. Who did Cohen pay off for him? A mistress, an abortion?
Tick, tock
All the world loves an "Apologist Brown Nose Yes Man" CLOWN !
whatcha smokin?
He was probably up anyway roaming around in his bathrobe and eating a cheeseburger.
It's hardly an accomplishment to greet these freed prisoners.
I am happy for their release!
President Obama is indeed admired and respected around the world.
Donald Rump?
Removed for Skirting the CoC "BF"
Just curious--were Democrats opposed to Obama's Iran deal just doing it because they hated Obama too?
For being EXACTLY what I posted.
QUICK......what is PCP !
tick tock, tick tock......
and... pissing off liberals and progressives all at the same time
trump is a busy guy
true... I remember the day obama killed osama bin laden with his own bare hands
obama worked out... here he is "pumping aluminum"
LOL
Hey, pumping an empty aluminum can in each hand is a a real workout!
President Obama was never an ass kisser or a clown. You must be referring to Donald Rump when you talk about a clown. President Obama is diplomatic. Something Donald Rump's supporters will never get.
Donald Rump is just putin's cock holster - all he is.
How much exercise does the orange turd get? NONE.
Hussein Obama was an an Anti American Marxist who spent his life trying to destroy our Republic. I thank God every day that he can no longer carry out his destructive ideology
Whatever floats your boat 'pastor'
Trump works out too, he has to use one hand to hold up his fat gut so he can take a piss.
Which is supposed to mean what?
I understand.
That's what I thought!
I was referring to your meme which is supposed to mean what?
The US is not within the reach of Iranian Missiles. The other 5 signatories to the JCPOA (UK, France, Germany, Russia, & China) are within range and want to remain in the agreement. The IAEC has said that Iran is sticking to the agreement. The CIA said that Iran has not been pursuing a nuclear weapon since 2005. The Iranians used nuclear enrichment to get the P5+1 to the negotiating table to reduce sanctions hurting their economy. Then Iran agreed not to do something it wasn't doing (building a nuclear weapon) and didn't want to do.
After screwing up Afghanistan, Iraq, and Libya, and dealing with the aftermath of those messes, do we really want to make another mess? Are we really that stupid? The US & Europe are not currently dealing with Shia terrorism. The Sunni terrorism we have been dealing with is not backed by a Nation. We can change that by attacking Iran.
In your very last sentence, was there supposed to be a question mark?
No. Iran is not stupid. They have proxies in place all over. These proxies are well equipped. The low side estimate for the number of missiles Hezbollah has in Lebanon is 40,000. Iran probably has substantial resources in position outside Iran that they can activate; hence the West will experience Shia terrorism sponsored by a Nation. Remember how devastating Iranian high power military explosives given to the Iraqi resistance were to our kids.
Well. As far as Iraq. The US response was allegedly for 911. Iraq had nothing to do with that.
if that was their "master plan? not too bright. well... it worked for a couple years anyways... LOL
now? they are truly fuked. old sanctions will be restored and new sanctions applied.
that crazy old dance step
2 steps forward and 3 steps back
between this (possible war with Israel ) and the current riots and strikes in their own country?
not only do the iranian people support trump but they are starting to see this as a good time to oust the mullahs.
iranians posted all day yesterday here also.
id say the people in power in iran are not going to be happy with their "master plan" for long.
Perhaps there is something else going on here.
US pulls out of the 'Iran Deal.'
Russia and China are in better positions to use their economic influence in the region.
European allies of the US are weakened because their business operations in Iran are now under sanction by the US.
The bottom line; Putin and Xi will benefit. Trump has delivered.
Yep. Do people actually think China and Russia will stop dealing with them?
All trump did was take us out of the equation. We are now weakened in the region.
My point was-------------that is the Trump plan.
I suspect the president is compromised.
Both of you (Ender too) are right. I just read today that Boeing and Airbus are afraid to commit to rebuilding Iran's commercial airlines because they're not sure they'll be able to sell the planes. Iran is talking with Russia.
The only thing which seems apparent is that the right wing loons in the US want Iran to have nuclear weapons. Why they want that isn't clear but I assume it's because they're itching for another war they can't win.
They wish to bring about Armageddon and the end of the world
Perhaps this. "We will see the face of God in a thermonuclear explosion." Rev. Hagee.
The right wing has been taken over by christian taliban.
Those who think that the Iranian agreement on their nuclear program brought peace and security are either misguided, ignorant, or being dishonest. Central to any Islamic “truce” is understanding are two key principles, al-Taqiyya and Hudna. Of additional significance is that Hudna’s are most often agreed upon for a 10 year period
The principle of al-Taqiyya
"Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible...and obligatory to lie if the goal is obligatory."
-- Abu Hammid Ghazali
"Allah's Apostle said, "Who is willing to kill Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?" Thereupon Muhammad bin Maslama got up saying, "O Allah's Apostle! Would you like that I kill him?" The Prophet said, "Yes," Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Kab). "The Prophet said, "You may say it."
- Hadith 5.59.369
Hudna is an Arabic term that technically translates into "calm" or "truce", as in a truce struck between two warring nations. But a hudna is not just any truce or ceasefire. A hudna is a "tactical truce" that has it's beginnings with Muhammad:
In the year 628 AD, when surmising that his [Mohammed's] forces were too weak to overcome the rival Kuraysh tribes, the Prophet Mohammed concluded a ten-year truce accord with the Kuraysh. This agreement became known as the Hudaybiyya Accord, after the place where it was signed. Yet, less than two years later, having consolidated their power, the Muslim forces attacked the Kuraysh tribes and defeated them, allowing Mohammed to conquer the city of Mecca.
Since that time, the term Hudna has been understood by Muslims as a tactical cease-fire that is intended only to allow a shift the balance of power. Once the balance of power has shifted, and the groundwork has been laid for a Muslim victory, the truce can then be broken.
Hudna is the battlefield or political application of al-Taqiyya. It's purpose is to give the illusion of desiring peace while actively masking a rethinking, regrouping, or rearming when faced with a superior opponent. The above citation was from EmbassyofIsrael.org, obviously experienced in the typical course of Islamic ceasefires. Here is one from Omdurman.org on the same subject affirming a kind of deception that is fundamental to Islam:
What is being touted as a 'cease-fire' is something called a 'hudna.' A hudna [also known as a hudibiyya or khudaibiya] is a tactical cease-fire that allows the Arabs to rebuild their terrorist infrastructure in order to be more effective when the "cease-fire" is called off.
FINALLY!!!!! Someone with knowledge of what guides the Muslim mind is able to teach the infidel political correctness zealots WHY you CANNOT trust Iran. At least Israel has the intelligence to disregard Hamas when it calls for a "cease fire" because it KNOWS that is nothing more than a Hudna. I have been trying for what seems like forever to explain why Taqiyya is the very reason why Iran can not be trusted, but it falls on the blind and deaf around here who keep dreaming that the JCPOA, the NPT, the UN and the IAEA will control them. LOL
Quoting Islamic Text is unbelievably silly. The Russians aren’t Muslim, but they lie whenever it suits their purposes. All governments lie and try to get away with whatever they can. That’s why there’s no trust involved with agreements like JCPOA. The agreement has to be verifiable, which JCPOA is. All P5+1 countries are within range of Iranian missiles except the US. Yet, all those in-range countries want to stay in the agreement. Obama didn’t negotiate JCPOA for the US, US experts did. The reason Trump exited JCPOA is because he’s an idiot.
That's a matter of opinion.
China is one of if not the biggest importer of Iranian oil, Russia is a supporter, and to the European countries the money they can make is more important than the safety of the world (especially the safety of Israel for which they don't give a shit).
It is, but I'll take the opinion of an international group of experts over Trump's.
That's a matter of opinion, yours, vs. the Europeans. Again, my no contest choice is the Europeans. As for China, Xi Jinping despises Kim Jong-un. The Chinese central bank has instructed banks not to deal with NK, the Chinese have stopped importing NK coal, and the Chinese are shutting down NK Businesses. Then Kim is called to China for a 4 day secretive meeting. He returns to NK and declares that he will denuclearize. I'd say the Chinese care quite a bit about who has nukes.
Yes, especially when they're RIGHT NEXT DOOR, but that doesn't address the fact that China, which needs oil, gets an awful lot of it from Iran.
As well, there are experts and there are experts. I didn't say I relied on Trump's word on anything. You're free to choose and believe whatever experts you wish, and so am I.
The problem is that you’re choosing the minority position. What I’ve found with conservatives is that they choose their positions ideologically and then search for experts/scientists who back that position. E.g. 5 of the P5+1 believe JCPOA is a good deal, as do a majority of Americans, but that is not what your tribe wants to believe. So you search out experts who agree with your minority position and site them.
Climate change is another example. The overwhelming majority of earth scientists say it is happening, but conservative ideology is that you don’t tax/regulate businesses and acceptance of climate change would require those things. So, climate change it not happening and you can find support for that position because only 99+% of papers support anthropogenic climate change. There are <1% who support the not happening/conspiracy position. There are many examples of this behavior that I know of going back about 70 years.
This is irrelevant. No one except those trying to develop nuclear weapons wants more nuclear weapons. If your implication is that China does not care about its people or the rest of the world, note that China is instituting a Carbon Market (cap-and-trade) to reduce pollution. China is rolling out universal healthcare. China is building infrastructure projects in about 70 countries (Belt and Road). It appears to be China that cares more than the US, and I really hate that.
Yes, I agree with you that China cares about its people and what it is doing to improve life here. I have seen it from here. I'm not as sure as you that what it is doing is for the benefit of others, unless improvements made for others also has the effect of being a benefit for China. China is not that altruistic.
My tribe? What exactly do you mean by that remark? Personally I consider it insulting.
I presume he meant that you're a Likudnik or other form of right-wing extremist.
Go ahead and make my day, and label me. I'm either right wing or left wing depending on the issue. On the test someone recently posted I was almost exactly in the centre of the diagram, just inside the Ghandi box. To confound those who think I'm right wing, I believe in women's free choice for abortion, stringent gun controls and universal single-payer health care, and as for those thinking I'm left wing, I think Israel must be able to defend itself from its neighbours, most of whom want to wipe it off the map and annihilate not only the Israeli Jews, but world Jewry, and it's not going to be able to defend itself if it has a Jimmy Carter or Mahatma Ghandi as PM and a government of suckholes, and I would much rather Steven Harper and his Conservative party were in power in Canada instead of Justin Trudeau and his Liberals, and I also think Europe is turning to shit because of its open door immigration policy, and even though I'm a Canadian I think I have more respect for the Stars and Stripes and the American national anthem than a lot of Americans, so please tell me, Skrekk, just what "tribe" do YOU think I belong to? Obviously JumpDrive has no idea what "tribe" I belong to but without really knowing me he thinks he can label me.
Perhaps due to your avatar with the Native American headdress in it, he assumed you were Native American and belonged to one of our Tribes.
The comment I responded to was this:
From the total context I really don't think it was referring to Indian tribes notwithstanding the headdress on my avatar - the word "tribe" is also used with respect to something else, and usually in a derogatory manner, and the total expression is much more relevant to interpret it to mean the latter.
However, if your comment is meant to indicate that I'm not entitled to use that avatar, I had absolutely no intention to mean it as being presumptuous or an insult and I will immediately restore my previous one. I would not have used it had not Kavika said these things to me when I told him how much I admired it and wanted to use it (but not if anyone was disturbed by my doing so) as I thought it was a fantastic avatar and considered it an honour and a privilege to be allowed to use it:
But as I said, RW, I will change back to my old avatar if you prefer, because our friendship means much more to me than the use of an avatar.
I don't believe that RW wants you to change it back Buzz. She was just commenting on why someone brought it up.
I believe that RW along with me backs your use of the avatar and if they knew the background of how and why you are using it they would not being making comments about it.
I agree with many of your positions, but…
The reason we have scientists, or experts of any kind, is to give us a common reality. A common reality makes it possible to solve problems. If someone picks a minority position like JCPOA is a bad deal, climate change is not happening, tax cuts for the rich trickle down meaningfully, abstinence training reduces unwanted pregnancies, … they’re picking a position because it is the position of their tribe. Why bother having scientists/experts if you’re going to ignore the majority opinion and pick the position you like?
I have been guilty of doing this, and I do feel stupid when my position is rightfully trashed. Truthfully though, I didn’t select ’tribe’ as an insult, but you’re right, it is. Sorry.
I chose the word ‘tribe’ because it is usually the case that people in a tribe support each other unconditionally. Many may consider conservatives and liberals as tribes, but that’s way to broad for me. I am liberal, but I can’t support some common liberal positions. E.g. political correctness, gender pay inequality beliefs.
Absolutely NOT!!! No way do I want you to change it. I was merely thinking that perhaps the Indian Headdress in your avatar might have given the other person the wrong idea about your ethnic heritage. Not that I thought you should change it. I think it is great, and says just what you want it to say and what it represents. So no way do I want you to change it.
I hope that clears up the misunderstanding. (smile)
Absolutely! And thanks for clarifying my response.
Apology accepted, especially as given by a person who has the backbone and civility to deliver one, as there are many on this site who haven't got what it takes to do it.
I don't think it's right in any event to label me as only supporting or adhering to either liberal/left or conservative/right, as I try to point out in this comment above:
My friends on this site are of all persuasions, and most, at least, are mature enough to know that I am capable of being convinced to change my opinions. We remain friends because we accept that different people with different life experiences can have different opinions.
I will not use the word tribe unless my intention is to insult; insulting is a useless strategy on a debating site like this. So you’ve retired a word.
But I want to explain how damaging tribal behavior is. The administration is going ahead with abstinence training programs. In states that do this (Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi) they have the highest out of wedlock teenage birthrates. It does not work. I remember a TV ad from 20, maybe 30, years ago, “Giving teenagers contraceptives is like giving them the keys to the car”. This is idiotic. Teenagers were born with keys and they’re going to drive. Giving them contraceptives is telling them to wear seat belts. Those who produced the ad had the analogy completely wrong, but I imagine if you ran this ad today, the abstinence training/anti-birth-control tribe would share it widely on Facebook. How can you solve a problem when you have a large number of people practicing tribal behavior like this?
You've been suckered again swamp-drainer believers!
In reimposing sanctions against Iran, Trump will have lobbyist coming in droves to be granted exceptions against a ban on doing business with Iran!
And they'll be PAYING!!! Campaign contributions and who knows what else?
The SWAMP OVERFLOWETH!
besides comey and mccabe having the butts handed to them...
regardless of what side of the isle, the traitors are being removed
the sound you hear is globalism being flushed and progressives being crushed.
Cheers
There is no End.
Except you avoided the issue stated in my comment.
Pay-to-play, bribery, extortion, quid-pro-quo … THAT IS THE SWAMP!
none of that is anything more than leftwing imagination and I have no interest in leftwing fantasy. so yes, I ignored everything you made up.
trump is the first president ever to give his presidential salary back to the country = fact
have a great day
Cheers
BTW
Pay-to-play, bribery, extortion, quid-pro-quo = hillary clinton
trump is also the first president in history to cost us a lot more in security because of his "Winter White House" so I dont see his forgoing a salary as any big deal. He got what he wanted, to be able to go "home' when ever he wants. Nice trade off for a man who doesn't need the money I'd say.
his security costs too much? LOL no one with any sense even cares about that
trump has done more in 17 months than 41 thru 44 ever dreamed of.
(he deserves more security)
BTW...
you do understand trump will be re-elected right?
this will pay for it.
You mean he has GOLFED more than any other president in history. Other than that? He has actually done almost nothing.
No it won't.
The US Fiscal Year(FY) runs from 10/1 of one year to 9/30 of the next year. The US debt on 5/9/18 was $21,041B, on 9/30/17 it was $20,244B, and on 9/30/16 is was $19,573B.
So, the increase in the US Debt for FY 2017 was $20,244B - $19,573B = $671B
The increase for the first 7 months of FY 2018 is $21,041B - $20,244B = $797B
If we’re doing so well, why have we already increased the debt $797B with 5 months still to go in this fiscal year?
source: treasurydirect.gov
Okay, which companies and how much are they paying?
I assume you MIGHT have some REAL evidence to present to back your claim up.
Please post your source!
Swamp Inc. is not only surviving Donald Trump, it is thriving
Surprise! Washington lobbyists have done very well over the past year
A lot of words to completely avoid what you were actually asked.
I asked to name the companies and how much they will pay, according to you, for exceptions so they can do business with Iran.
You seem to have expertly avoided the question.
The answer is "any/every company that will want to do business with Iran as a ban on doing so is imposed."
The stage has been set by virtue of the information I posted.
Your gotcha' question does not need to be answered in the way you require … deductive reasoning and already established precedent set the table for the obvious.
Looking the other way is characteristic of Trump sycophants; the opacity of Trump World is designed to make "the numbers" hidden … as in his tax returns (along with hush money pay outs). Even if the names of companies and dollar figures were able to be given, you'd still poo poo the information as "fake news."
If you actually believe that what I posited and precedent are meaningless, it's because that's what you want to believe.
Trump has granted more lobbyist waivers in 4 months than Obama did in 8 years
Violating his own ethics rules at a staggering pace.
By Matthew Yglesias @mattyglesias matt@vox.com Jun 1, 2017, 11:00am ED
On the campaign trail, Donald Trump presented himself as the ultimate outsider who would rid Washington of special interest corruption and “drain the swamp.” And immediately after taking office, he signed a flashy executive order tightening restrictions on lobbyists’ work in the executive branch .
The left consistently misrepresents who the swamp is. The swamp consists of the career bureaucrats and politicians who exist to maintain and increase statist power and control over our lives. Only by rolling back regulations and government agencies, and purging the statists in both parties can we return liberty and Constitutional governance to our Republic
More people, more problems, more laws, more government
Want a smaller government ? Stop producing more people.
A controlled populous beats might makes right anyday. That's why we have laws to begin with.
So in other, truer words, all you have is speculation.
You could have just said that to begin with and dispensed with the deflection!
No surprise that the war hawks from the Bush era are now back in charge feeding the frenzy of war.
Trump is a proven liar, so now he has set America up with himself as our guide to being liars on the world stage and no one in the world will trust him and they will not trust America. This isn't about just one "deal".
This is all to create more profits for Russia, for profits for all oil barons and oil conglomerates not to mention all the arms dealers who will profit.
Trump is the biggest globalist there is. Not one Trump voter bothered to even look up the Trump worldwide empire and the countries Trump is established in. Trump never released his tax returns because he does not want his own base to know how much of his money and investments are tied up invested in other countries. Not America.
This is a move that will allow Trump to profit as well since Trump refused to divest, he said his sons are running things but put his family as appointees in the White House. This is all crooked as it gets.
All the "Old Geezer Club" wants to do is turn back the clock to everything they knew back in their youth and glory days. Back to the Cold War, back to everything before they allowed America to deteriorate and failed to see what their previous actions would create.
They fail to recognize that while every southern border state has been a red state for at least 50 years and vote predominately Republican, those Republicans are the ones who failed to do anything about immigration or our borders for years.
Republicans in border states took campaign cash from wealthy businessmen and then catered to them and turned a blind eye to illegal immigration with a nod and a wink to those donors who wanted cheap labor.
That process has not changed one bit. Republicans do NOT go after their wealthy donors who use illegals as a labor force, they play a passive aggressive game allowing it to happen then lying to their base getting tough on immigration but never, ever, ever doing anything to stop businesses from getting away with hiring them.
Trump himself hires a ton of foreign workers at his properties getting them special Visa's instead of hiring American workers.
Let us be clear … the Trump base has one requirement of himself and all other elected officials …
That they be their "Jess Willards!"
Republicans since 2010 have done nothing economically viable for middle class Americans, and particularly not for the angry white voter.
OMG!
Still whining about tax returns Trump is under NO Obligation to show you?
Skirting the CoC "BF"
Get a life!
Get an ability to actually post substantive discussion in a discussion forum.
If you think there's no viable reason to know what's in a POTUS' tax return … it's because you don't want to know.
We have the right to know why the president of the United States continues to hide his tax returns from us. While we should have seen them years ago, this is not an old, irrelevant story. In fact, seeing them is more important now than it’s ever been.
President Trump has been lying about this question from the beginning. In 2014, he told an interviewer, “If I decide to run for office, I’ll produce my tax returns. Absolutely.” When he ran, he said “I will absolutely give my returns but I’m being audited now for two or three years, so I can’t do it until the audit is finished.” This was completely false: The Internal Revenue Service doesn’t prevent anyone from publicly releasing their tax returns while they’re being audited. Then when Trump took office, he and and his aides switched gears to argue that this was all settled by the election.
In the past, a president’s tax returns (or those of candidates) tended not to be very interesting. Politicians might have a salary, royalties from books, mutual funds, speaking fees and so on. But Trump was different. In fact, there has never been a president for whom it was more important that we see his returns. Trump owns a large private company that is set up as an intricate network of hundreds of subsidiary organizations. In places all over the world, it makes deals with local developers, who are often engaged in questionable relationships with corrupt governments.
[ Trump breaks his tax returns promise — for the third year in a row ]
Every time journalists take a hard look at one of Trump’s projects, they seem to uncover a web of shady dealings, often involving oligarchs from the former Soviet Union. Unless you’re pathologically obsessed with following Trump news, you probably haven’t heard much about the Kazakhstan connection to the failed Trump Soho , the failed Trump project in the former Soviet republic of Georgia or the failed Trump Tower in Toronto, to name just a few. All were complicated stories that raised troubling questions about the way Trump and his cronies do business, and with whom.
Only those who hate our nation and individual liberty demand to see a president or political candidates tax returns. There is NO Constitutional basis for this demand
FDR, JFK, and LBJ refused to do so. FDR required that his couldn’t be released until after His death.
and Trump’s will not show anything that the left believes they will see.
Most of the reported income will be from K-1s from his various companies and royalties. They will only reveal the names of those companies and the amount of income or loss reported.
Oh bullcrap. Pure hyperbole. Anyone that shapes taxes for the rest of us should show where their taxes go.
Actually, you have NO right to see anyone's tax returns. Those are private.
There is no law stating anyone must produce their tax returns to anyone other than the IRS itself, which Trump has done.
And we already know he paid taxes because media darling Rachel Maddow PROVED it to you already.
Only a candidate with something to hide refuses to accede, not to "demands" for putting his "cards" on the table, but to the inherent need necessity of proving his shady past can stand the light of day.
"Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it."
_ Mark Twain
Individual liberty entitles every American to demand such things of the POTUS … particularly after incessant cries for those things heaped on the past President!
How many tax returns did LBJ, JFK, Eisenhower, Truman, Roosevelt ever release?
Every president since Richard Nixon has followed the custom of releasing their returns or summary tax information, except for President Donald Trump, who has now declined to release his taxes for a third year in a row.Mar 15, 2017.
Why not ask when Presidents began to release tax returns …
All but the Jess Willard crowd know why not.*
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* And even they know … but he champions their fantasy, so, they don't want to know.
So, the answer is zero. Funny you wouldn't just say that, as it is the truth.
Tax returns are private, and until a law is passed saying that they are not, you have no right to them.
Nothing in the WORLD ever stopped those people from releasing their taxes, but they all CHOSE not to, just like Trump.
Wouldn't it be rather silly of me to bitch about their non-release of taxes like you are about Trump?
The answer to both questions is NOWHERE.
I realize that millions of Hillary voters are still very upset that she lost, but that's life.
PS -- Rachel Maddow showed us Trump's tax return. Remember?
That's simple. You ready? He doesn't release them because THERE IS NOTHING SAYING HE HAS TO. There is no prerequisite, law or mandate stating that he must.
Perhaps Trump's feelings about releasing his taxes have evolved?
Whatever he said, it STILL doesn't give you the right to see them if he changes his mind.
If the question I asked was rhetorical, why did you answer?
And didn't Rachel Maddow prove to your satisfaction that Trump filed and paid his taxes?
Has the IRS ever issued any liens against Trump for failure to pay what he owed?
Do you have one SCINTILLA of evidence that Trump hasn't filed his taxes properly and paid whatever he owed?
Further, no previous POTUS was …
• Involved in an election known in which a hostile foreign power interfered
• Involved in an election in which Russia contributed to a campaign by …
√ Using phony identities on social media to spread misinformation to at least 87 million Americans
Nor, benefitted by anything like …
Russian Social Media Advertisements to promote Trump and undermine Clinton
Social Media Advertisements
2016:
2017:
NOTE : There are no records from June 2017.
To read more about these advertisements and Russia’s effort to sow discord online, click here .
Some of these ads were used as examples when executives from Facebook, Twitter and Google testified before Congress late last year . But the vast majority have not been made public until more recently.
Hate to be the one to break it to you, but Hillary was involved in the same campaign that the Russians supposedly interfered with.
And a few ads on Facebook and other social media sites didn't sway the election.
Very nice segue into all other things Trump after striking out on his taxes.
Nice, very, very nice deflection!
No worries, trumps tax returns are on Muellers desk.. I am sure he will review them.
"We have the right to know why the president of the United States continues to hide his tax returns from us."
No, we don't. Privacy and all...
Nonsense, it’s none of your business
If you think it is nonsense for people that write tax laws to be open about how said laws would or might affect them, that is on you.
Stealing identities? To what end? And how would stealing identities have an effect on the election?
Yeah, and I'll just bet that he finds what a veritable army of IRS trained accountants couldn't, right?
LMAO!
IRS has had his taxes for years.
No doubt they have been gone through with a fine-toothed comb.
Still nada.
Besides mere speculation, you haven't proven a thing.
It had no effect. It's just another liberal distraction.
Your lack of information is quite telling about your pronouncements and myopic defense of Trump.
And spare us the "Fake News" response.
How your Facebook 'likes' helped Trump steal the 2016 election
Nixon on steroids, indeed. In 1972, the 37th president’s dirty tricksters got caught in the Watergate with some Radio Shack-style gizmos and some badly applied duct tape trying to bug the Democratic Party’s headquarters so they could try to steal the words of one man, party chief Larry O’Brien. That act — and the various cover-ups and sleazy maneuvers that surrounded it — cost Richard Nixon his presidency.
In 2016, Donald Trump’s presidential campaign paid roughly $6 million to a firm founded by a hedge-fund billionaire supporter that used 21st-century technology, subterfuge and out-and-out fraud to essentially steal the thoughts of 50 million Americans — quite possibly you, or your friends and neighbors — to launch a psy-ops campaign against voters, to put Trump in the White House. In other words, multiply Watergate to at least the 10th power.
You might have heard this weekend that Facebook — from whom the data was obtained and where much of the ensuing psychological warfare took place in the summer and fall of 2016 — has now banned the firm , Cambridge Analytica. It was not a bold move by Mark Zuckerberg’s social media behemoth but a cowardly one, taken just minutes before some stellar reporting by the Guardian’s Carole Cadwalladr and journalists from the New York Times jointly exposed the hijacking of the data and, arguably, the theft of an American presidential election. Facebook’s too-little-too-late action was the ultimate closing of the barn door after the horse has already bolted — the horse being American democracy.
The basics of the story are this: In 2013-14, the young firm called Cambridge Analytica had backing from the right-wing billionaire, Robert Mercer ; a rising political force in its association with the Breitbart News impresario Steve Bannon ; a bold mission to, in the words of one former employee, “fight a culture war in America” and a scheme to use state-of-the-art Big Data and psychological profiling to win elections with modern propaganda.
What CA lacked, however, was the data the pull this off. That’s when what Facebook’s top lawyer has now acknowledged was “a scam — and a fraud” came into play. Wylie — the young political data maven now turned whistleblower — and the team assembled by Mercer and Bannon turned to experts in “psychometrics” at Britain’s Cambridge University; there, a Russian American (heh … a bit more on that later) professor named Aleksandr Kogan was hired for $800,000. Kogan reportedly then lied to Facebook about his real project — a personality quiz and an app that 270,000 people consented to but which allowed the firm to pull Facebook “likes” and other personal info from 50 million unsuspecting Americans. (The company also seems to have lied to Facebook about later destroying the data.)
He's always stating things are facts - yet I've yet to see him provide anything of the kind.
How does someone knowing what I have liked on Facebook make me change my vote?
Get real. Just another on a VERY long list of reasons why someone lost an election.
Yawn.
It is boring bullshit.
Here's a fact for you"
Trump is STILL the President. And some people can't do one damn thing about it other than whine like two year olds.
Obama did Libya and re-re-re-re-redlined Syria.
Dumbo had launched ACTUAL airstrikes or military raids in at least seven countries: Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Yemen, Somalia and Pakistan.
Trump did Obama's Syria fuckup.
Which so-called "WAR" are we headed towards again....... because of Trump ?
BS
the primary driver of war is Iran for Shi’a Islam and jihadist groups for Sunni Islam. They are commanded to do so by the Quran
“The state which is regarded as the instrument for universalizing a certain religion must perforce be an ever expanding state. The Islamic state, whose principal function was to put God’s law into practice, sought to establish Islam as the dominant reigning ideology over the entire world. It refused to recognize the coexistence of non-Muslim communities, except perhaps as subordinate entities, because by its very nature a universal state tolerates the existence of no other state than itself. ...Muhammad’s early successors, after Islam became supreme in Arabia, were determined to embark on a ceaseless war of conquest in the name of Islam. The jihad was therefore employed as an instrument for both the universalization of religion and the establishment of an imperial world state.”
Islamic scholar Majid Khadduri in his book War and Peace in the Law of Islam published 1955
As late as November 2003, the Islamic Affairs Department (IAD) of the Saudi embassy in Washington featured this statement on its website:
“The Muslims are required to raise the banner of Jihad in order to make the Word of Allah supreme in this world, to remove all forms of injustice and oppression, and to defend the Muslims. Such a violent and expansionist program is not solely the province of Saudi Wahhabis .
The Pakistani Islamic leader Syed Abul Ala Maududi (1903-1979), who was not a Wahhabi, declared that
non-Muslims have “absolutely no right to seize the reins of power in any part of God’s earth nor to direct the collective affairs of human beings according to their own misconceived doctrines.” If they do, he said, “the believers would be under an obligation to do their utmost to dislodge them from political power and to make them live in subservience to the Islamic way of life.”
Likewise the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood theorist Sayyid Qutb (1906-1966), also a non-Wahhabi, declared: “Islam cannot accept any mixing with Jahiliyyah [the society of unbelievers]. Either Islam will remain, or Jahiliyyah; no half-half situation is possible…. The foremost duty of Islam is to depose Jahiliyyah from the leadership of man, with the intention of raising human beings to that high position which Allah has chosen for him.”
Qur’an:9:5 - “Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”
Qur’an:9:112 “The Believers fight in Allah’s Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed.”
Qur’an:9:29 “Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission.”
Qur’an:8:39 “Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.”
Qur’an:8:39 “So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world).”
Ishaq:587 “Our onslaught will not be a weak faltering affair. We shall fight as long as we live. We will fight until you turn to Islam, humbly seeking refuge. We will fight not caring whom we meet. We will fight whether we destroy ancient holdings or newly gotten gains. We have mutilated every opponent. We have driven them violently before us at the command of Allah and Islam. We will fight until our religion is established. And we will plunder them, for they must suffer disgrace.”
What's it called when the teavangelicals do the same kind of bullshit in America? You know, lying to gain an advantage.
How many Troops and equipment are in the fight against Iran right now ?
Have we made it to Tehran yet ?
The sentence you posted from the article is a flat out LIE. The agreement is meant to EXTEND the time it takes Iran to obtain a bomb and does not prevent them from obtaining it in any way. In fact they are given the ability to obtain a nuclear bomb even if they follow the deal to the letter. I am supposed to waste my time reading the rest of this bullshit?
And to think the same people are all upset that some of the new tax cuts expire in a number of years!
Your comment reveals a profound lack of understanding regarding the NPT's Additional Protocol and the IAEA's inspection regimen, and it ignores the facts that 97% of Iran's LEU and 100% of the MEU stockpile has been eliminated, and 2/3rds of their centrifuges are being warehoused and monitored by the IAEA.
What the hell is MEU? Do you mean IEU?
Your comment shows you lack the ability to embrace reality. Iran gets to keep its Nuclear infrastructure and missile program and the deal is TEMPORARY BY DESIGN. So sorry you are unable to identify to yet ANOTHER terribly brokered deal for the US by BO.
And why exactly wouldn't they be able to do that? After all that's part of the bargain of the NPT, for non-weapons signatories to have civilian nuclear technology. In fact the weapons states are obligated to help the non-weapons states develop that technology.
It's quite delusional to think that Iran wouldn't keep its nuclear tech. But what they have done under the JCPOA is put 2/3rds of their centrifuges in IAEA-monitored storage and eliminated 97% of the LEU and all of their MEU. Trump has foolishly put all of that in jeopardy.