‘This Is Not of God’: When Anti-Trump Evangelicals Confront Their Brethren
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Please read the article at the link.
Mr. Claiborne and his group are the other evangelicals. The Red Letter Christians, a reference to the words of Jesus printed in some Bibles in red type, are not the evangelicals invited for interviews on Fox News or MSNBC. They don’t align neatly with either political party. But they have fierce moral and theological objections to those evangelicals who have latched onto Mr. Trump and the Republican Party.
As an atheist and someone further to the left than self proclaimed Alt-Right, the Red Letter Christians are religious people I can respect.
This is not an anti-Trump or anti-Trump supporter discussion. This is about one sect of Evangelicals differing from another.
There's really nothing surprising to me that there would be anti-Trump evangelicals. The surprising thing is that there would be pro-Trump evangelicals. I was raised in what most would likely consider a Christian extremist evangelical household and those decades I spent among them Trump was literally the epitome of what they warned about, the wolf in sheep's clothing, the anti-Christ, the disgusting thing, Babylon the great, the harlot drunk on the blood of the innocent. From his mob style business tactics, serial bankruptcies, stiffing his contractors, his monumental narcissism, to the near two dozen credible accusers of sexual assault and his own disgusting words about how he views and treats women, how he doesn't "even wait" for consent and just grabs women he finds attractive by the genitals. From top to bottom he represents the worst of mankind and everything evangelicals of the past have warned their parishioners of. So how the majority of evangelicals today twist their own faith in stunning feats of mental gymnastics in order to find a way to support such filth is the real surprise, not the ones who truly see him and denounce him as the charlatan he is.
I wasn't aware of this particular group, but I knew they were out there. They just don't usually get mouse clicks because they aren't as vocal nor as organized. My great grandmother used to take me to tent revival shows as they passed through town when I was knee high.
I have to agree with this article. I can understand people supporting Trump. What I can't understand is evangelical's supporting Trump. There is nothing "Christ like" about the man. I have lived in NY/ NYC my whole life, and have seen this man be the embodiment of sin, yet evangelical support him. This does not compute. That some how this political figure got intertwined with faith, is beyond me.
Question, pls. I thought you grew up in England?
I grew up between here (NY) and London, England until the age of 10. My dad was career Navy and worked on carriers. When he was away, (usually up to 6 mo. of the year), we would stay with my mother's family. I am an American citizen.. so I am not sure of your point, Mags.
The "prosperity gospel" isn't a new thing. Someone always finds a shiny new package for it.
So Christians barring other Christians from speaking.....
Thirty Years War, anyone?
I read opinions and news and, then, I give my opinion which is worth nothing to a lot of people. I try not to ever judge, except two people on here.
This group doesn't "like" Trump. OK! But, another group does. OK!
No one has the right to judge whether Pres. Trump believes in God or not. Not anyone.
They are only saying (in this particular instance) that the actions of Trump have never been Christ-like. They are only trying to appeal to those religious people that they care more about the Word than the politics.
I don't know what being Christ like is.
Finding the difference between selfless acts of love and compassion from hate speech, division and for personal profit schemes might be a good place to start.
According to Christ Himself that is easy. Just do unto others as you would have them do unto you, love your others as you love yourself and refrain from judging others as judgement is God's alone for all fall short and are thus unworthy of salvation except through the grace of God...
And you call yourself a Christian?
Wasn't Christ compassionate and loved his neighbors? Wouldn't that be a good place to start to be Christ like?
How can you claim to be a Christian and yet not know what being Christ-like is? I thought that Christians were called to live a life like that of the person who they claimed to be their savior?
In which gospel does Jesus act like Donald Trump?
Probably the one that says do unto others before they do unto you?
Wow that's sounds like a very vengeful and vindictive and mean and petty and spiteful way to live
Is that in Satan's bible?
Good one, Doc
Also the one about building a wall to keep the strangers out.
'Wow that's sounds like a very vengeful and vindictive and mean and petty and spiteful way to live'
P.S. But that sounds just like Donald Rump though.
'Whatever. Most of you wouldn't know what Christ like is if it bit you in the butt.'
Seems like you missed the entire point. Not much on irony and sarcasm are you?
Could be.
Don't actions speak louder than words, especially if it is the interpretation of someone's belief in, and the following of, God/Jesus/Bible?
His own actions speak to his belief or lack thereof in god. That and the 2 Corinthians.
Sure we do. "By their fruits shall ye know them." Trump's fruit is rotten. No sense in hiding from it.
And people complain about universities not allowing certain speakers. This college should not get a pass from their ire.
Sounds like campaigning from the pulpit.
Sounds like what people had to do centuries ago.
They are banning and silencing any dissent.
Just wow. I have to give these red letter Christians their due. At least they are trying to follow the teachings when so many seem so far removed from what Christianity was supposed to be about.
Christ's message isn't rocket science: "Love one another." No fine print. No exceptions. His parables are often about the "second class citizens" of his epoch: Samaritans, women, ... demonstrating that our obligation is to include everyone.
So racism is proscribed for all who would follow Christ. This is a problem for the many Evangelicals who despise "those people".
How many of the 10 commandments has Donald Trump not broken?
"Remember to grab some pussy."
Ah so that lost 3rd tablet . . . explains a lot.
Is that considered to be coveting' thy neighbors wife?
It's only a "sin" if the pussy is owned by some other man.
Does the woman also have to be married for it to be adultery?
Of course. It means that Trump didn't ask permission from the true owner of the pussy.
Whatever. Most of you wouldn't know what Christ like is if it bit you in the butt.
The central teachings of Jesus were compassion, love and forgiveness of others.
The Sermon on the Mount is too long to quote,
Sooooooooooooooooooooooooo profound!
Do you have a better source for what your savior believed than the bible?
Judging a bit, are we, mags?
Guess, I am......sorry!
Sure you are!
I think I know what it is, and I find the average atheist to be much more Christ-like than your average Christian
"I find the average atheist to be much more Christ-like than your average Christian"
Agreed!!
Cool, Leno.
I find the non-Christians on NT to be more Christ-like, that's for sure
Me thinks those two she judges are you and me.
'I try not to ever judge, except two people on here.'
I've got to assume that I'm one of them. I'm usually on someone's enemies list.
I figured I was one.
Hasn't it been 6 months yet?
Thank you.
I think that even I caught that reference.
Come on, that ain't right.
Ok, I am back!
No, not six months yet. But, since you called me a liar for saying I am in hospice, maybe, you were right and they are playing with me. Nevertheless, update. I am out of wheelchair, walking and life is beautiful. Comment removed for CoC violation [ph]
Magnolia, people who are in hospice do not receive any medical treatment other than pain alleviation and if necessary an oxygen tank and possibly a wheelchair so the person can sit out in their yard (if they are up to it). They do not receive curative treatment for any medical issue. They do not see a doctor.
Do you go to the doctor? If you had an emergency would they take you to the hospital? If so, you are not in hospice.
The nurse comes once a week. If I needed it she would come twice a week. Do not go to doctor. Take my medications, am on oxygen, breathing machine, If I have an emergency situation, I do not call 911. I call them. There will be no heroic measures to revive me. I am incurable. The six months thing is what consensus says, but no one can predict one's demise.
My oldest son moved in with me.. He is wonderful. When I got back home after 5 months, I couldn't do anything. But, you should see the difference now.
Mr. Russell, I do believe I know what hospice is. Look it up.....there are two type of hospice, however, they share something in common....terminal illness. Hospice takes over all other health insurances one may have.
BTW......I am in no pain!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Any other questions?
Although you definitely initiated this line of discussion a while back, it is obviously and intentionally hurtful to keep attacking your health at this point, especially considering how far removed it is from your original comment which sparked this, and despite my own thoughts on the matter.
I also am very disappointed in the fact that this one comment I am responding to also happens to be the only comment in this particular thread that was flagged.
My instinct is to remove this entire thread of conversation, but I think you should be given the opportunity to be the final arbiter on this matter.
As of right now, regardless of how Mags weighs in, the attacks on Mags health will stop, and suspensions will begin to be handed out if this continues.
PRF
Thank you.