GOP fears midterms backlash from breaking up families at the border
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WASHINGTON — President Donald Trump's policy of taking immigrant children from their parents at the southern border may have been designed to push Democrats to the negotiating table in Congress — but it could end up costing Republican lawmakers.
"Democrats can fix their forced family breakup at the Border by working with Republicans on new legislation, for a change!" Trump wrote on Twitter Saturday. "This is why we need more Republicans elected in November."
But the policy, which has separated some 2,000 children from their parents in just six weeks, could have the opposite effect as anxious Republican lawmakers fear voters may see their party as heartless on immigration and punish them for it in November. And Democrats are driving home that message in emails to supporters and by organizing trips to detention centers.The issue will "absolutely" be a factor in the midterm elections this fall, said a GOP operative working to elect Republicans to Congress, adding that "the images are devastating" for the GOP.
Trump will speak to Republicans on Capitol Hill Tuesday about immigration, according to a Republicans leadership aide.Trump tried a similar tactic last year related to the so-called Dreamers, revoking an executive order that granted them protections in an attempt to force Congress to pass legislation that included the border wall he ran on as a candidate.
But the effort backfired when federal courts stepped-in and restored the protections for the nearly 800,000 DACA recipients.
With the Dreamers taken care of — for now — Democrats no longer had any reason to meet Trump's demands. A similar scenario is playing out now in that Democrats have managed, despite Trump's efforts, to place the blame for the border crisis squarely at his doorsetep.Meanwhile, Republicans, struggling to defend a policy that tears families apart, are starting to bend.
House Speaker Paul Ryan said on Thursday he's not comfortable with children being separated from their families and he added that it "needs to be addressed" with legislation.
Rep. Mark Meadows, R-N.C., chairman of the conservative Freedom Caucus, said that he is "100 percent supportive of keeping families together."
Meadows added, "Most of my constituents are pro-family constituents who believe keeping a family unit together is always best."A second Republican strategist said, "The media will broadcast these images of brutality and chaos and the public will associate them with the Republicans that run the House and the Senate — but most of all with President Trump."
But fearful of challenging the president, Republicans are offering a fix that also gives Trump what he wants: major reductions to legal immigration and billions of dollars for a border wall. And the measure makes it extremely difficult to obtain asylum, which is what most families crossing the border are seeking. Furthermore, some experts say that the measure does little to ensure that children will be kept with their parents.
And in the Senate, Sen. John Cornyn, R-Tex., plans to reintroduce legislation that would keep border-crossing families together "while they await court proceedings," according to an aide. It would be a new version of his 2014 Humane Act, which also expedites court proceedings for unaccompanied minor children. The legislation, critics say, would actually lead to more deportations of children and families.House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi of California called Trump's tactics "shameful."
"He's using children, whether they're Dreamers or whether they're little children at the border now, for a political purpose," Pelosi said.
Democrats are organizing their supporters around the issue. Sen. Tammy Baldwin, D-Wisc., who is up for re-election in 2018, sent an email to supporters asking them to sign a petition to stop the "callous, unconscionable, and downright un-American" actions at the border by the administration.
A group of House Democrats of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus and Pelosi are traveling to the border on Monday to raise attention to the issue.
Democrats insist legislation is not necessary because the actions at the border are the administration's prerogative, not something required by law, as Trump has claimed. But they have united behind the Keep Families Together Act, that says the government is "prohibited" from separating families at the border unless the child is being abused or is being trafficked. Thirty-nine Democrats in the Senate have signed onto the measure in the Senate and a companion version supported by Democrats in the House.
"This is really about our values as a country. It's who we are as a country," Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., said. "And we're here to say this is just simply wrong and we've got to put an end to the taking of minor children from their parents at the border."
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Before you say Obama did it, I'm going to make a stipulation, unless you can show documentation that Obama took minor children away from their parents when he was in office, the "Obama did it" is off limits and, is to be kept out of the discussions, anyone not following this guideline will be flagged as Off Topic.
But Galen, if the righties aren't allowed to lie, they won't be able to make any comments at all!
Then they'll have to accept the truth and, talk about that.
Truth or alternative truth?
Truth.
I have removed all the off topic/meta from this thread. Any further off topic/meta will be met with a 2 day suspension.
Thank You Perry.
Psssttt.........the name is Perrie...... just sayin....
Oooops,
This link has stories of people being deported and seperated from their kids
Now im not personally saying they did anything wrong even under obama. I'm just pointing out that people were indeed seperated from their kids under obama. Not always at the border no but it happened.
yet there really want a peep from the large majority of the left then. Why? Because they weren't being told to be outraged. Now the overlords have decided to make it a hot button topic leadin up to the 2018 elections. The truth is besides virtue signaling... most people don't actually give a shit unless they can use it as political ammo.
Not many people are going to convince me they actually care ... "think of the children!" When they only gave a shit when the media and politicians told them to care and didn't spend a second thought on it when similar things were going on under Obama.
again... not saying anything done was wrong. Violating our laws comes with consequences. Just like it does everywhere else in the world
So, are you saying, "Well, Obama did it so it's OK."?
I don't give a flying God Damn who did it, what I do care about is whether we have become a country were things like what happen in Russia and, China and, North Korea happen here and, all some in the population can say is, "So, Obama did it" or, just "so". Have we lost what little heart this country had when Trump was elected? The border patrol agents in one of your links should have been fired and, arrested for assaulting that girl.
I'm saying you asked for proof similar things happened under obama. It's ignorant to think people weren't seperated from their kids.
im not saying "it's ok because obama did it"...
im saying it's ok because a country has a right to protect its sovereignty from people illegally entering.
Im saying if you cared so much where was the outrage from the majority on the left like their is now when obama did it?
the outrage wasn't there because Pavlov didn't ring the bell and tell them to be outraged. They don't really care.. if they did they would have cared under obama. its faux outrage. Weaponized outrage at its finest. Feigning outrage because they get to attack "the other side".
Protecting our borders doesn't make us North Korea or china. Ad absurdum
edit: and yes if true the border agent should be in jail for assault
The story was about a girl who had been in the U.S. long enough to have grown up here, she knew the language and, she had already made a life, she should fall under the DACA program. The people I'm talking about just got to the border with their kids and, they are asking for asylum but, the border patrol refuses them making them break the law by crossing illegally, then they take their kids and, tell them that their kids are "going to the showers", anyone with any knowledge of history knows what that means.
Of course a country has a right to protect its sovereignty but, does that country have a right to force people to commit a crime?
The girl was 15 with a two year old already. If you are here illegally for a set number of years you don't magically cease to be illegal. That mentality along with sanctuary cities and other things is why we have such a problem. If I were republicans though I'd give dreamers amnesty IF and only if all future illegals would be denied amnesty and DACA status... along with deporting all parents that have kids on US soil if we can't amend the constitution to get rid of anchor babies.
As far as I know, anyone who comes here after DACA was established illegally cannot get "DACA status", that is for kids who came here before that rule was established, the other part, granting amnesty is up to the Congress and, the administration at the time, unless there is a law passed in the mean time. According to the story you linked, the 15 year old had already been living in the U.S. since she was very little, which means she is one of the kids that qualify's for DACA, if she registered for it, if she didn't then that is on her.
As far as I know having a baby on U.S. doesn't "anchor" the parent to the U.S. it does give the baby U.S. citizenship so, the parent can be deported, if we chose to be that cruel.
Funny how much more you care now that Trump did it.
I wonder where the lawsuits are. Seems to me that this punishment violates the eighth and possibly the fifth amendments.
I'm sure the ACLU and, others are working on the paper work now.
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FALSE, STOP PUTTING THIS BULLSHIT UP HERE. THERE IS NO SUCH LAW, IT IS A TRUMP POLICY ENACTED BY SESSIONS SO THAT THE PETULANT CHILD AND, CHIEF CAN HAVE IS FUCKING WAY.
NO … IT'S NOT!
The Trump administration’s zero tolerance policy that has led thousands of migrant children to be separated from their parents has not deterred those trying to enter the U.S. illegally, despite internal Department of Homeland Security documents obtained by CNN showing officials thought it would.
The documents indicate that shortly after the administration announced the policy in April, Homeland Security staff predicted the policy’s deterrent effects would quickly be apparent.
"The full impact of policy initiatives are not fully realized for 2-3 weeks following public messaging — however, some migrants already underway may temporarily halt to determine the effects of the new policy," one of the documents obtained by CNN says.
However, publicly released data showed that the number of people caught illegally crossing the border increased by about 5 percent when compared to April, CNN reported. The data also showed a spike in the number of unaccompanied children.
The family separations are a result of the Trump administration’s zero tolerance immigration policy that requires apprehended immigrant adults to be prosecuted by federal authorities.
When Attorney General Jeff Sessions announced the policy he noted that it would likely lead to more family separations, but said it would also deter future immigrants from trying to cross the southern border.
President Trump has attempted to change the public’s perception of the issue by falsely blaming the Democrats for the policy.
The administration has largely defended the policy by arguing that they are enforcing laws already in the books.
On Monday, Session said if Congress passed legislation to build the wall along the southern border, the zero tolerance policy would not be necessary.
“President Trump has said this cannot continue. We do not want to separate parents from their children," Sessions told the National Sheriffs' Association annual conference on Monday.
"If we build the wall, if we pass legislation to end the lawlessness, we won’t face these terrible choices,” he added.
Oh yea I know you much Liberals hate your history. Sorry to have to call BS on your attempts to erase it.
And, yet you have, as has everyone else who has tried to make this an it's the Democrats fault meme have failed to do is show were in ANY LAW it says it is ok to take kids from parents who are seeking asylum in the U.S. as it is been said many times, this is a Trump policy and, it is up to Trump to end it, from Sessions own mouth.
It is the Democrats fault. If they weren't trying to destroy the country with sanctuary cities and encouraging illegal immigration, all in the name of increasing the constituent base, things wouldn't be so far out of control in the first place.
BTW you know no one trying to get in LEGALLY gets separated, right? It was this way during the BO admin too.
WOW so you are going to call facts off topic because you don't like them? I guess you couldn't call post 1.6.3 Off topic after I broke it out for you because you didn't follow the link and shame on the MOD that removed it. Thanks for unwittingly displaying what is wrong with today's self proclaimed "liberals".
Tell that to the people who asked for sanctuary here and, still got arrested and, had their kids removed from their care, by the way where are the 2300 kids that Trump took from their parents? Not even the Department of Homeland Security knows.
If you look at my very first comment on here will see that I said if a comment was, "its Obama's fault" I would call it off topic, since you tried to say it was Clinton who caused this then I called it off topic because the law you sited didn't have anything in it about taking kids away from parents in it, ONCE AGAIN, THAT WAS AND, IS A TRUMP POLICY, IT IS NOT LAW.
they got arrested for entering illegally and I am sure they were told when it happened.
want sanctuary? apply at a border crossing. take any other route? get arrested and then kicked back out
it is very simple. the days of catch and release are history.
I'm sure they were told as well but......
They tried to apply but, were denied the ability to cross the border so that they could ask for asylum, the rule at the border is you must put both feet on the U.S. side, the border patrol was and, is under orders not to allow that to happen and, they were given orders to warn those on the bridge if they didn't get off of the bridge the border agents would call the MEXICAN POLICE on them, they had no choice but, to look for another way in, which made what they did illegal. You want to blame someone for their being illegal blame the border agents who forced them to cross illegally.
50 million dollars has been raised for their legal defense and, that is just the start.
How can your post be off topic when the seeder directly responds to it? It seems blatantly unfair of the seeder to call someone off topic and get it removed while their response is the last word to something no longer there.
It was Clinton who started it. Pictures of children in cages with mattresses on the floor and foil blankets were taken during the obama regime. Those are the facts. Trump signed an EO reversing existing law.
No, it wasn't, stop trying to spread that lye, or post the link to the law that specifically says it is U.S. policy to separate parents from their children.
No, they weren't "taken", those children crossed the border without an adult family member.
Those are Trump lies.
Trump can't reverse EXISTING LAW, only Congress can, what he signed in the EO was the end to his and, Sessions POLICY of removing children from their parents when they crossed the border.
Either provide proof of anything you have stated in your comment or, quit posting the lie, post that stuff again without specific proof and, I will flag it.
https://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-supreme-court/507/292.html
In 1997, the Clinton administration entered into a settlement agreement in Flores v. Reno, a lawsuit filed in federal court in California by pro-illegal immigration advocacy groups challenging the detention of juvenile aliens taken into custody by the Immigration and Naturalization Service.
The Clinton administration agreed to settle this litigation despite the fact the Supreme Court had upheld the Immigration and Naturalization Service regulation that provided for the release of minors only to their parents, close relatives, or legal guardians.
According to the Department of Homeland Security, the Flores agreement allows the agency to detain unaccompanied minors for only “20 days before releasing them to the Department of Health and Human Services which places the minors in foster or shelter situations until they locate a sponsor.”
But in a controversial decision, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit, the most liberal in the country, has interpreted the settlement agreement to apply to “both minors who are accompanied and unaccompanied by their parents.”
In other words, it is the 9th Circuit’s misinterpretation of the Clinton administration’s settlement agreement that doesn’t allow juvenile aliens to stay with their parents who have been detained for unlawful entry into the country.
Of course, if those parents would simply agree to return to their home countries, they would be immediately reunited with their children. So those who come here illegally are themselves to blame for their children being assigned to foster care or to another family member or sponsor who may be in the country. https://www.heritage.org/immigration/commentary/whos-responsible-separating-alien-kids-their-parents-many-people-not-trump
How can you strike someone else’s words as off topic and then with their words taken down respond to them in great detail with out their words left to defend themselves? Seems blatantly unfair to me.
Clinton isn’t Obama.
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ya think money = entry? im sure that money will help lawyers greatly, but will not do much for the illegals
Heartland, I know you hate the Clintons and, Obama because they are "Liberals" but, don't tell lies on my seed about them, neither one, the Clintons or Obama passed any law that said that family's were to be separated at the border, the law that you are siting is for putting UNACCOMPANIED MINORS WHO CROSS THE BORDER INTO DETENTION CENTERS. Note the word UNACCOMPANIED, that means they don't have a parent with them.
From your own quote, "jail refugee mothers with children as a deterrent", so, show me where it says they took the kids from the mother and, sent her back without the kids to the home country.
Hey, George, guess what, the money is to help them with their claim that they are here to seek asylum, it is to pay the lawyers, 'cuz, I'm pretty sure none of those folks came across the border with a huge amount of money.
IT IS THE SAME FUCKING BULLSHIT, THIS SEED IS ABOUT TRUMPS POLICY OF SEPARATING CHILDREN FROM THEIR PARENTS NOT ABOUT CLINTON OR, OBAMA OR, BUSH OR, NIXON OR, REAGAN OR, ANY OTHER PRESIDENT THAT HAS EVER EXISTED ONLY ABOUT TRUMP AND, HOW THIS WILL EFFECT THE MID-TERMS. GOT IT?
This article assumes that today’s Republicans have empathy and a conscience hidden away somewhere. I’m not so sure that is true anymore ... certainly not in this forum anyways.
Speak for yourself. By encouraging them to keep coming in, the left wingers are a major part of the problem
I don’t think they should worry about it. It’s just the liberal media trying to discredit Trump and these tactics backfired on them big time in 2016. It reminds me of the toco bowl and all the claims that Trump was a racist and had no chance of winning. Truth be told most conservatives feel we should do everything possible to discourage illegal immigration as long as we are stuck with a welfare state. In the end it will just motivate conservatives to get out and vote.
So, when do the conservatives you speak of want to build "work camps" for the illegal immigrants that are forced to become illegal immigrants because of Sessions policy of turning asylum seekers away at border crossings and, then have to cross illegally thus becoming illegal immigrants?
no time for work camps. their asses are being sent back to their country of origin ASAP
Soooo, when do their kids get to go back to get killed?
They are not "forced" to do anything. They can go Mack to where they came from. They can stay and seek asylum in Mexico. They can go someplace else. It is their choice to break the law.
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Ok, let's give you something to think about here. You come to a safe area to live in freedom and, not in fear, you are told that you aren't welcome and, need to go back to the place were you had no freedom and, lived everyday in fear that you or, your kids would be shot, kidnapped, or, (in the case of women) raped and, it wouldn't be just from criminals, you had a reason to fear it from law enforcement as well, what would you do, would you "just turn around and, go back" or, would you try to find another way in?
Here's the thing, these people aren't "lowlife scumbag thugs" as you put it, the lowlife scumbag thugs are the ones these people are running from.
Or, think of it this way, your neighbor comes running to your house and, says they are running away from lowlife scumbag thugs, do you turn them away or, let them into your house?
Some are. Think of this, someone comes to our border crossing and, asks for asylum, which is the way it is suppose to be done, yet, the border guards turn that someone away, simply because they were told to by Sessions, now, this person can't go back because if they do, not only will they be killed their family will be killed as well so, the question I put to you is, what would you do if it was you and, your family?
You certainly don’t let him move and expect him to allow the thugs to have his house. Teach him how to shoot and send him back to kill the thugs. Hopefully his state has a make my day law so he can shoot them when they first made entry. Then you call the cops to clean up the mess.
I did answer your question, these people aren't lowlife scumbag thugs, they are your neighbor looking for a safe place to get away from lowlife scumbag thugs. Don't like the truth then you don't have to stay on my seed, do you?
And, what if the lowlife scumbag thugs are the law? This is the case were these people are from.
Then they can learn from our revolution and how we handled the king. But don’t expect us to fight their revolution. Why would anyone want a wimp living in their home that abandons his to thugs anyway?
we should thoroughly train and arm them before sending them back
I am even OK with putting our boots on their ground. we should spread democracy like we mean it
problem solved
Many of them DID come here legally, did not try to sneak in, they simply requested asylum and still had their kids taken away.
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Oooo, very Murikan of you.
So, you want to start wars with every South American and, Central American country? Wow.
Were did I say that? By the way, one more post with this meme and, I'll flag it.
Comment removed for CoC violation [ph ] doesn't like immigrants coming to the immigrant nation, remember this?
Maybe you would prefer this?
Do you have an facts and figures of just how many of these "asylum seekers" are really in jeopardy in their home countries. How can this be proven? Do we just take their word of it? They could just be run of the mill border jumpers. The policy is necessary, and is only temporary.
Wild ass speculation without a smidgen of proof.
Well, that can't be determined until they go before a judge now can it and, when they are denied that ability it makes it kind of hard for them to make their case, doesn't it?
Like I said, we accept that they are requesting asylum and, then they go before a judge who decides if their case is valid.
That's for a judge to decide.
No it is not necessary and, it was Trump and, Sessions who said it was temporary, I wouldn't trust them to tell me the color of the sky without looking.
You wanted facts and, figures, here ya go. Read.
if the place is so bad people need political asylum here? of course, those govts need whacked.
do you want those dictatorships to continue screwing over their people? if so. not very liberal of you.
what hoops must you jump thru in order to defend a country that creates people needing asylum here in the USA?
Have you ever served in the military? I doubt it, if you had you wouldn't be thinking that a war with two continents would be a case of "whacking" all the country's in those continents, in fact you might know that to do such a thing in such terrain as they have would be a case of the U.S. getting whacked.
of course. I am a Seabee "steelworker" E5
so tell me... who the fuk are you and what was your pay grade?
First I'll say thank you for your service.
Second, U.S. Army, E4 at discharge, Armored Cav., so, now that we've "measured our dicks" let's get down to business. If you've been in the service then you know that war ain't fun, fighting one country, no matter how big or, small is no laughing matter. My family has spent our time in the U.S. serving our country since the Revolution so, don't get pissy with me, I can beat ya patriot for patriot from that point and, come out smiling. A war in the Central and, South American continents isn't the answer and, you know it. The answer is in Congress and, it seems that Congress is working on that answer right now. So, stop rattling your saber and, listen up SeaBee, let the diplomats and, politicians handle this, it don't need no fighting.
there is no day when the usa gets whacked and there is no reason to do them all at once either.
in this fantasy discussion... if we go all vietnam? not going to do us much good however if we simply annihilate their govt and then give it back to the people their terrain means nothing. if that country is so bad people "need to cross a thousand miles to get here? they will not be upset we just bombed the shit out of that govt. and luckily there is no religious sect bs trying to get power like in iraq.
with the cia setting up the local resistance fighters beforehand and a monster air campaign upfront turning everything "official" into a fireball? totally doable.
but... I have never seen us whack a country ONLY for humanitarian reasons yet and do not expect it anytime soon (why I got out)
perhaps we can find some lithium or something like that... exploiting other countries resources seems to get our politicians all fired up.
and I outrank you in that regard also... LOL
just playing my friend, seriously... thanks for standing up
No, there is no "religious" sect but, there are gangs and, rebels, some are communist, some are just hateful POS's that the people don't trust and, are afraid of so, which should we give them to. Anyway you look at it, it would be a never ending thing, like Mexico was under leaders like Maximillian.j
So did my dad, my brother and, my nephew. Here's some pics of two of them (dad and, brother)
Back at ya.
Reagan did that and that's why these people are in this mess
Whatever it was he said, he’s right on!
Arkpdx is a great American! I agree.
BULLSHIT!
THIS JUST OUT!
Toddlers Separated From Parents at the Border Are Being Detained in 'Tender Age' Shelters
Trump administration officials have been sending babies and other young children forcibly separated from their parents at the U.S.-Mexico border to at least three “tender age” shelters in South Texas, The Associated Press has learned.
Lawyers and medical providers who have visited the Rio Grande Valley shelters described play rooms of crying preschool-age children in crisis. The government also plans to open a fourth shelter to house hundreds of young migrant children in Houston, where city leaders denounced the move Tuesday.
"TENDER AGE CENTERS" -- THE LOCATIONS OF WHICH ARE BEING KEPT SECRET BY TRUMP, SESSIONS and the other FOURTH REICH MEMBERS LIKE MILLER, BANNON, KELLY, NIELSEN …
Go ahead TRUMPIANS, spin this one.
We're talking about BABIES! And there's no protocol to reunite parents with their children!
Thank you Mac for posting this, I had just heard about it when I saw your post.
ICING ON THE TRUMP/SESSIONS CAKE!
Trump Administration Withdraws U.S. From U.N. Human Rights Council
WASHINGTON — The United States withdrew on Tuesday from the world’s most important human rights body in protest of its frequent criticism of Israel’s treatment of Palestinians. It was the latest effort by the Trump administration to pull away from international organizations and agreements that it finds objectionable.
It was the first time a member has voluntarily left the United Nations Human Rights Council.
The United States now joins Iran, North Korea and Eritrea as the only countries that refuse to participate in the council’s meetings and deliberations.
Hey "Pro-life" Trumpians –– IMPEACH, DISMISS, IMPRISON this excuse for a human being for CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY … before some of these babies die!
All the money that is being appropriated to refurbish buildings, furniture, clothing, supplies, salaries, training, maintenance and upkeep when it would seem to be more financially prudent to hire more judges to process these cases and deport as appropriate.
There is something else going on here. It's almost like revenge of some sort.
It seems to me that icing is drawing a few too many flies.
What happens, if/when, God forbid, the air conditioning units fail at one of these so-called "TENDER AGE" prisons, toddlers and babies die … and that catastrophic nightmare is hidden from Americans … until SOMEONE WITH A SOUL "LEAKS" THE HORRIBLE TRUTH FOR ALL TO KNOW?
Where TF are you PRO-LIFERS?
These babies are already born, Mac, fetus life is all the pro lifers care about. Given the sheer number of babies being taken and the severe lack of care workers to handle the situation, I would say some of these babies dying in Trump's baby prisons is pretty much inevitable.
They only care about the fetus before it is born and, then it better fucking well be an Murikan fetus.
Are you suggesting that the MORONS IN CONGRESS WHO SIMULTANEOUSLY CONDEMN ABORTIONS AND BIRTH CONTROL … don't have their heads up their asses … and, pander to those whose heads are also up their asses?
No, that is a Right wing thing so, all I can say other than this to your comment is,
WHY DON'T WE KNOW THE LOCATIONS OF TRUMP/SESSIONS' TENDER CARE BABY/TODDLER PRISONS?
Why do we only see photos APPROVED BY THE TRUMP-REICH?
Succumbing to pressure following the deportation of Danish Jews to Theresienstadt , the Germans permitted representatives from the Danish Red Cross and the International Red Cross to visit in June 1944.
It was all an elaborate hoax.
The Germans intensified deportations from the ghetto shortly before the visit, and the ghetto itself was "beautified." Gardens were planted, houses painted, and barracks renovated. The Nazis staged social and cultural events for the visiting dignitaries. Once the visit was over, the Germans resumed deportations from Theresienstadt, which did not end until October 1944.
The TRUMP ADMINISTRATION IS GUILTY OF …
CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY!
"Deliberate acts, typically as part of a systematic campaign, that cause human suffering or death on a large scale."
Maybe because all that is needed to "fix" this is for Trump to make a phone call to Jeff Sessions.
I posted the SPECIFIC INFORMATION REGARDING THE SOLE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THIS "Zero Tolerance" Policy … Trump and Sessions!
You either fall for their continued lying about Democrats responsibility, OR, TAKE PLEASURE IN THIS WHITE NATIONALIST, NAZI-LIKE HORROR OF A POLICY!
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The Trump administration’s zero tolerance policy that has led thousands of migrant children to be separated from their parents has not deterred those trying to enter the U.S. illegally, despite internal Department of Homeland Security documents obtained by CNN showing officials thought it would.
The documents indicate that shortly after the administration announced the policy in April, Homeland Security staff predicted the policy’s deterrent effects would quickly be apparent.
"The full impact of policy initiatives are not fully realized for 2-3 weeks following public messaging — however, some migrants already underway may temporarily halt to determine the effects of the new policy," one of the documents obtained by CNN says.
However, publicly released data showed that the number of people caught illegally crossing the border increased by about 5 percent when compared to April, CNN reported. The data also showed a spike in the number of unaccompanied children.
The family separations are a result of the Trump administration’s zero tolerance immigration policy that requires apprehended immigrant adults to be prosecuted by federal authorities.
When Attorney General Jeff Sessions announced the policy he noted that it would likely lead to more family separations, but said it would also deter future immigrants from trying to cross the southern border.
President Trump has attempted to change the public’s perception of the issue by falsely blaming the Democrats for the policy.
The administration has largely defended the policy by arguing that they are enforcing laws already in the books.
On Monday, Session said if Congress passed legislation to build the wall along the southern border, the zero tolerance policy would not be necessary.
“President Trump has said this cannot continue. We do not want to separate parents from their children," Sessions told the National Sheriffs' Association annual conference on Monday.
"If we build the wall, if we pass legislation to end the lawlessness, we won’t face these terrible choices,” he added.
It's that easy ?
Really ?
Why hasn't that been tried decades and decades before ! Holy Cow !
Galvin Marvin Ross for President !
I think it is the later Mac.
Since it is a policy enacted by Trumps DOJ and, Attorney General, yes, it is that easy.
Try reading the name, or, would you rather I start calling you "It is Stupid".
EVERYONE for Decades ?
Now....you WANT Trump ?
Oh NO...spell check didn't pick up the misspell. My fault....right ?
The policy has only been in effect for the past two months, no other president has separated family's at the border until Trump and, it was Sessions who started this in April.
This is were this began and, it can end with one phone call from Trump.
Yep, unless you are admitting you don't know how to read.
As reported by our "New and Improved ?" media !
From Sessions,
I've seen that already. Doesn't change what I originally posted.
Sure....if it makes you "Feel" good I'll tell you anything. After all...."FEELINGS" are the most important emotion in the world.
Democrat controlled sanctuary cities encourage illegal immigration by promising to do nothing to help the federal government deport aliens who enter illegally. Illegal entry is a misdemeanor. Illegal re-entry is a felony. Any adult could be prosecuted but it was rarely done when adults were with children. Illegal aliens are increasingly taking advantage of that loophole and larger numbers of women and children are attempting to cross the border. In order to send a message that we take enforcement seriously, Trump closed the loophole and began prosecuting all adults whether they have children or not.
As part of a criminal action, US Marshals take illegal aliens into custody and do not provide childcare services for them just as they don’t provide such services to anybody else they take into custody. Unless Democrats are suggesting that children be imprisoned or agents ignore the law they were hired to enforce, the only other alternative is to place the children with a responsible adult or agency that can care for them.
If Republicans had any sense, they would lay the entire problem at the feet of Democrats’ sanctuary cities that lure aliens into crossing the border and being arrested.
What backlash is there to worry about. Criminals are separated from their families on a daily basis. Maybe if Democrats upheld the law and not favor criminal illegals over veterans and US Citizens this wouldn't be a problem.
What laws have the "Democrats" not upheld? Please provide reputable links.
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You're very hostile.
Let's take another approach. Since the Republicans have complete control of the House, the Senate, and the WH, what do you recommend Republicans do differently other then what they currently are doing to address the immigration issue in a more humane way?
I wonder were you would be if we had decided to keep your ancestors "the hell out" of the country? Would you even exist?
I have no issue with keeping them out but that's not what this article is about. So........since the President and his Administration have decided to detain them rather than keeping the hell out, as you so eloquently stated, the Administration is receiving criticism from a variety of sources for their inhumane treatment of those they have detained and cruelly separated.
And, the Native Americans could have "told" them to get the hell out, with arrows.
Even if they did come in legally there were people like you here at the time that felt any immigrant needed to "get the hell out".
See how that works?
And in many cases they did just that.
Is it your contention that because the Native Americans (not a wholly accurate statement BTW) did stop the early settlers and colonists come here we now have to let in any Tomas, Ricardo and Juan that wants to come here?
you got that right
Ummm, yeah, as long as they follow the laws laid out and, the Constitution, if they are here illegally then they should have a chance to make things right by either serving in the military or, proving they are good, honest people. Understand, I'm not saying that we should just get rid of our borders, I'm not saying that we should just let everyone in, what I am saying is, don't make it so damned hard that they have to break the law to get out of a bad situation in their land of origin.
This isn't even the issue with Americans going to prison, they have family here that can take care of the kiddo's as you put it. The asylum seekers don't have family here, there is no place for them to go and, as I have said MANY TIMES ALREADY, UNTIL APRIL OF THIS YEAR WE DIDN'T SEPARATE CHILDREN FROM THEIR PARENTS OR, PARENTS FROM THEIR CHILDREN WHEN THEY CAME ACROSS THE BORDER. Do you have a problem with reading comprehension or, are you just trying to see if you can piss me off? I'm thinking the later.
I would change the asylum laws to be pretty much non existant. Only in cases where war zones have did away with local police and govt. Any country that complains we will offer trips for the asylum seekers to their port. Mexico is a big one that complains about our immigration laws while they are more strict than us. Same as Canada. When word gets out that the border is being enforced and if your caught illegally entering you are in for a lengthy trial in which time your kids will be wards of the state and returned to you as you are returned to your host country/ nearest country that wants to criticize US policy
I wondered the same thing, why is the Trump administration treating immigrant kids like criminals? Is it their fault that their parents brought them here?
Show me where I said they are being treated like animals, I said they are being treated like CRIMINALS. Obama did it isn't the issue, Obama isn't president, Trump is, this is HIS policy, not a "Democrat law", Trump and, Sessions came up with this, these places are Trump Concentration Camps.
I don't have to live near a border state now or, in a border state to see what effect this is having and, for your information 9mm, I lived for years in Southern California and, watched the border patrol looking along RR tracks for people who had crossed the border, so, don't try to use that BS on me.
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Flagged, off topic.
Tell it to the moderator, I flagged it as off topic and, the moderator agreed.
immigration laws. ALL OF THEM
That's something for you to learn to deal with. I have no problem with it.
What I recommend is congress get off their lazy asses and do their job. They don't like this law. It's in thieir power to change or repeal it. But since most would much rather express their selective outrage after Obama leaves office in a very feeble attempt to make Trump look bad (it's not working BTW) we know the laws won't be changed or repealed.
That leaves only the options we have now. Enforce the law and we all deal with it or we stop people from crossing the border illegally.
Do you think it is important for our officials to follow our own immigration laws? ALL OF THEM? If so, then you should be pissed that the Trump Administration isn't following them, they are refusing to let those seeking asylum into the country and, are then arresting them when they do try to enter the country from another entry point and, threaten to call MEXICAN immigration on them if they don't leave the bridge where they have to wait to be processed. It isn't that these people are wrong for coming here, it is that our government policy at this time, since April, has been to turn them away no matter what their legal status is.
THIS IS NOT A LAW, IT IS A TRUMP POLICY, Trump can change the whole thing with one phone call to Jeff Sessions.
So, your for separating parents from their children over a parking ticket violation?
But do you really consider these two to be criminals?
Breaking: First Tape Of Events Inside One Of Trump's Children's Prison Is Released!
Did they cross the border illegally? If so, then yes, they are criminals. It's that simple.
No, they didn't, they came looking for asylum.
I said at the beginning that I would flag comments that were off topic or, were "Obama did it" meme's.
One thing no one ever seems to bring up.
If things are so bad in some countries, that people feel they have no other choice but to flee, why do we not help these countries?
It seems like a no brainer. Help the governments of these countries to make them a safer place.
Good question and, I've got a somewhat simplistic answer, we have laid out rules that prevent us from doing that, the country's in question have to establish civil rights, have free elections and, get rid of the drug cartels, until they do all of this, we don't help them. Kind of a catch 22, we don't help them until their governments do these things so, the people that want those freedoms and, can't get them at "home" come here, then we tell them "No, you can't be here, go home."
Here's a clue for you as well.
Obviously what is being done under USAID isn't enough, something more needs to be done.
how much more taxes are you willing to pay to give them more of our money?
why does something more need to done there?
Why do other countries have a claim on money paid by US taxpayers?
No, all you do is complain.
Is that what people who disagree with you are doing?
Complaining?
I was trying to figure how to answer this without sounding like I was riding your ass and, I think I figured it out. The U.N. and, the United States can do more for these country's simply by cutting government aid to them and, putting that money towards helping the people of the country out with food, medicine and, education, they can also put boots on the ground there without causing an international incident to prevent rebels and, drug cartels from keeping a foot hold in certain regions, it wouldn't require anymore money from "your pocket" but, it would get the rest of the world involved.
So you want the US to be the world's policeman? That's a switch.
the UN is currently a defunct organization. somehow they started thinking they were destined to be the worlds legislative body but that fantasy will be kept in check by our veto powers until they figure out they are not going to tell the world how to live. the UN works for us not the other way round. we do not follow the UN's lead. they follow us or they will stay irrelevant.
better US than the UN.
That wasn't my point. Those that think like the poster I replied to continually cry that the US is not the world's policeman and should not go to other countries to solve their problems. Now they just changed their tune.
BTW UN or US it would be our soldiers that would be sent.
Someone should tell Nikki Haley that then.
Ummm, no, you have me confused with someone else.
I think not.
Gonna shut this down early, got things I gotta do and, then get some sleep. I'll open it in the morning again.
Opened up now, be nice, be civil and, be on topic.
why do you love these people so much?
I already answered that comment.
I typed this for you on other thread and then found it was closed. Some of my reasons
I don't like foreigners coming while Citizens are not taken care off
I don't like having to take pay for and care of other peoples problems.
I don't like overpopulation and over crowding
I don't like people coming here and thinking they have a right to enter our country
I don't like ungrateful people
I don't like my tax money spent on this and hear there is no money for things to improve Citizen's lives
I don't like the standard and quality of Citizens life being reduced
I don't like that after we do things to reduce pollution, our efforts are wasted by letting more people in
I don't like ticks, leaches or mosquitos
That is some of my reasons
Well, since you're too lazy to go look at it, which you can do even if the seed is closed here's my answer, again,
I looked at before I typed what I brought forward
You cite something about generosity of one person not thousands illegally crossing the border and demanding to be taken care of
Oh, Jesus Christ! It applies to us as a country as well, our neighbors are the country's around us, people like you claim we are a "Christian" country and, if we are a "Christian" country then we as a people must act like Christians, that means doing what Christ said is right to do in his eyes or, are you saying we are only a Christian country when it suits people like you?
Oh please, stop being disingenuous. The US takes in more immigrants each year than any other country. ANY other country. In fact, last i checked, we took in more than the next two highest immigration countries combined.
Legal immigration is one thing but unchecked illegal immigration can not stand. Nothing and i mean NOTHING good can come from it. Not in the long run. No one has a problem with legal immigration.
Then you shouldn't have a problem with these people, they are, for the most part, looking for asylum. Who and, what you should have a problem with is the policy of separating children from parents who are seeking asylum and, telling those who are seeking asylum that they can't come across the border. See, there's a little trick they're using at the border, the border patrol won't let asylum seekers put both feet across the border so that then they can ask for asylum at the legal border crossing, that is why they have to find different ways of entering and, different places to cross.
There's a story that has gone viral about a woman who came to the legal crossing 50 times to try to cross and, the border patrol wouldn't let her get both feet across the border so she could ask for asylum so, she pretended to be washing the windows of cars crossing the border until she actually crossed the border and, put both feet on the U.S. side, when she was approached by a border patrol officer she asked for asylum for herself and, her child, she was arrested at that point. This is a Trump policy, not a U.S. policy or, law.
Come on, be honest. You know that's a simplistic explanation for what's going on. I'm sure that's true for some but many are just trying to game the system. That is the problem with no good solution.
Just like usual, people trying to screw the system are screwing people who really need the system.
I have strongly argued on here that we are NOT a "Christian" country and I am not religious. ( I politely say that, because when debating with many people it is hard to remember)
There are too many of them and more will try to come. Borders serve a very important purpose
Join me in being honest then because, from what I can see, if you really looked at this you would have to say it is wrong and, Trump is wrong.
No, what I posted is what is going on, you don't like it, tell Trump, he's the one who came up with the policy.
And, who are you to say who can cross the border to seek asylum? If a person comes to the border and, crosses it, they have a right to seek asylum here, a judge will determine if they have a case, that is how it works, the border patrol can't make that decision for a judge but, they are trying to do just that. Is that right? No, it isn't.
So, it's OK for Trump to make things worse by separating family's after they have crossed 2000 miles of dangerous ground. Got it.
That happens more by Americans to Americans than it does at the border.
Sorry Charger, you are right, it is hard to remember but, you know what I am talking about in that respect. It is, in my opinion, easy to say that we are a Christian nation but, when push comes to shove it ends up that most of those who claim to be Christians lose that standing in situations like this.
This has been the mantra since the start of this country but, we seem to always find room.
They do but, it isn't their purpose to close out everyone but, those who are already here.
There's the problem, you see only what you want to see. This isn't a "Trump" problem but rather an immigration problem. I understand you have trouble seeing anything except what might paint Trump in an undesirable light. And for clarity mine is not so much a defense of Trump but rather a desire to not get screwed by immigrants trying to game our immigration system.
Nah, you are intentionally ignoring the obvious. Many are trying to game the system and in doing so are screwing the honest people who really need it. Unless of course you are trying to say all those people are trying to enter this country with honest intentions. Are you?
Lol yeah, lets let everyone in who can reach our border, claim they are persecuted in some way and asks for asylum. That a ridiculous expectation. NO WAY the US can handle that long term. Something has to be done or we WILL be swamped with refugees. Those with honest cause and those without.
Thats how it works when folks get detained/jailed. Unless of course you want kids detained/jailed with parents. Thats a nice picture.
Yup, we agree on that one. I seem to be paying for more freeloaders with every payroll check i sign or get.
That's what the court is for, to determine if they actually have a case, if they don't they are put on a bus and, shipped back south. It's the way the system works.
And, it is up to a judge to figure this out, a person who has a real fear of going back to their homeland gets to stay using the asylum rule, the rest, as I said, get put on a bus and, go back south.
Absolutely not, I know that some are wanting to game the system but, it isn't up to me or, you to decide who it is, unless of course you are a judge in the immigration courts, I know I'm not one so, I let them figure it out.
It's been working for over 200 years, what has changed?
And, once again, it is up to the immigration courts to figure it out.
It was done differently before April of this year and, it worked.
We are running out of room and country is too crowded. We need to keep open spaces, watersheds, woodlands to filter the air and places for wildlife to live and be free.
We reduce pollution and then negate that by letting more people in and then end up with more rules on that
What are you willing to give up to let them in? For you and your desendents
This is the same BS that has been spouted since immigration to this country started.
Not according to the EPA chief that Trump appointed.
Then we need to find a better way to supply the energy that we need.
Sorry, no time to keep answering all your stuff tit for tat so i'll leave you with this response:
Bullshit, it wasn't working well. At least not from most reasonable perspectives.
Well, let me see, what did my ancestors have to give up and, what have I given up that they had, oh yeah, nothing. So, I guess my answer would be nothing since nothing was given up by my ancestors for me, in fact we seem to have gained things because of immigration.
Why do you always forget the the word "legal"?
You're entitled to your own opinions but, not your own facts. Asylum seekers up until April of this year were able to keep their kids with them until their court date now, they have their kids taken from them causing harm to the kids. IMO, I hope they sue the hell out of the Trump Administration.
Because this isn't the issue here, what I'm talking about is people who are seeking asylum having their kids taken from them at the border, never been done until April of this year. Those who seek asylum are considered LEGAL immigrants so, the word ILLEGAL doesn't apply, get it?
be easier to just not let all these foreigners in and keep our place nice
so your fine with them pushing you and your decedents aside?
or less new people to use it up
so you are willing to give up the value of all the taxes you have paid in and your social security?
These people are diluting what has been built up and there will be less for us
The issue is they created the problem by coming to our border, We didn't create any problem by having a border
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I don't mind some help for our citizens but we need to take care of the citizens here before letting any more in
If there is food for 12 at the picnic and 12 more show up uninvited and bring nothing who got cheated?
Are you supporting letting more foreigners in to make the improving unemployment numbers look bad?
Are you Native American? If not you are a descendent of a "foreigner", should we have kept your ancestors out?
yes, if you knew my ancestor
My people have been here for over 200 years, we have never been "pushed aside".
So, you're for state sponsored birth control and, abortion?
Bullshit, these people pay taxes, probably more taxes than you do.
So, you and, your ancestors are the ones who created the problem?
It does matter shark, are you Native American or, a descendent of a foreigner?
LOL, another Meme.
Yep, I know what you mean, my ancestor had a problem with the queen at the time and, had to leave in a hurry.
You are right on that!
My ancestors came here with approval of and to land granted by Crown of England
not yet
Bullshit right back at ya. I paid SS and taxes from age of 16
So you are for state sponsored birth control and, abortion. Wow, who'd a thunk it?
Exactly how did we create the problem?
Really? Wow, that's cool so, your ancestors came here with a piece of paper saying you had a right to take land from the people that were already here claiming that land as their own.
What are you talking about?
So did I and, now I'm collecting on that.
Like I said somewhere above it is hard to keep track of many people in a long discussion, and this is a hot topic
I support abortion, birth control, gun rights and am non religious and think over population is our biggest problem
You said in your comment that "THEY created the problem at the border", in case you didn't know it, our ports are considered borders as well so, when your ancestors came here they must have helped to create the problem that you are talking about. Right?
well there is something we are the same on
But, do you support "state sponsored" abortion and, birth control like they have in China?
They sailed with William Penn and that was all the authority they needed
Crown of England owned it, that can't be disputed
Power of the English King was greater than most everything else at the time
I really don't give a rat's rear end how the Chinese handle their overpopulation problem. It is not their people who are causing this problem
Isn't imminent domain wonderful when your country is a world power and, you know that you can wipe out the indigenes population? Of course, I can't say much, my ancestor came over after being beaten in the battles with Mary Queen of Scots and, Elizabeth, for him it was a case of leave Britain or, lose his head.
You said this in response to my comment to you, I also added my comment so, you could use it as a reference.
I then asked you if you supported "state sponsored abortion and, birth control" you said that you did support abortion and, birth control and, I re-asked the question of you when you replied with the above reply, "I really don't give a rat's rear end how the Chinese handle their overpopulation problem". Charger you obviously didn't think this thread through, if you want to decrease the population you have to find more than one way to do that, closing the borders to immigration is only a small part of it, now you have to deal with people in the country still having babies, the population increases whether people are crossing the border or, not, the only way to decrease the population after that is either kill the current population or, state sponsored birth control and, abortion.
Closing our border protects the USA and it's citizens and our assets which is most important to me as a Citizen of the USA
We have another problem with unwillingness to address our own birthrate
Sure, it didn't do much for us when we got the same mentality before WWII.
another problem is the power of religious right preventing US from doing things to lower birthrate in other countries.
In my opinion birthcontrol is best aid we can send to many places
how did it hurt us? and to what extent?
and how would open borders have helped us?
When James J Hill was done hauling immigrants, at his expense, to settle along his Great Northern Railway was the last time we needed or had a place for immigrants. And he had his people pick who he wanted to bring
Now see, I know you are talking about the Right wing meme of, "Democrats want open borders", that is just Bullshit, what we want is immigration reform, just like the Republicans do but, we don't want what Trump is doing at the border right now, this is bullshit and, it is heartless, cruel and, inhuman and, you know it.
I care about the USA first, all foreigners are behind the USA in order of how much they have supported us
Our policy of "America First" at that time lead to us ignoring the worlds problems and, allowed Hitler to come to power, it also allowed him to develop his policy on "the Jewish problem", we even added him in that by refusing a ship load of refugees from Germany at that time.
Bullshit, there is always room.
Immigration is so broken it needs to be completely halted until fixed. The border secured and all those that don't belong here removed and then consider what is best for the USA only and come up with a plan that helps the USA
Bullshit back at you, overcrowding is bad
You really have no clue at all do you? I'm really sorry for you.
No.
I've been from one end of this country to the other, there is plenty of room here, there isn't going to be over crowding by accepting these folks who are seeking asylum.
James J Hill did immigration right and helped settle last area needing settling, outside of Alaska, and did it with his money, helped make the people he selected successful in a difficult area and made money and build a great railroad doing it
You think I should put other countries before the USA?
That's nice. Do you think Mr. Hill would be happy with what you have been saying or, would he be on my side of the argument? Do you think he only thought that there should be 50 to 60 people in each town and, no more or, do you think that every place he helped settle had more room for more people?
YES
Not what you said above.
I replied that I felt sorry for you because you have no clue what "foreigners" have done for this country, everything that we have and, that we are is because of "foreigners".
James J would appreciate my railfan knowledge of him and what he did and using that to prove my point. He would be happy that Warren Buffet controls his railroads.
The area he helped settle now has grown to where it is overpopulated
once you are here and become part of USA you lose the foreigner tag
I was asking that as a question, so don't change it around
This doesn't answer the question I posed to you.
LOL but, you don't want "foreigners" coming here, so, how can they get in the country and, "lose the foreigner tag".
A little history for you, about them there foreigners.
If it wasn't for them there foreigners there wouldn't be a United States.
WWI was Europe's problem we should have stayed out. WWII and Hitler's rise was caused by treaty conditions that ended WWI and Europe's rejection of the League of Nations.
That's their problem
I did answer it, but to rephrase it for you he would like me.
and that was a long time ago
This is what I was talking about,
So, those people had to return to Germany were they were placed in concentration camps and, died.
Are Americans who are charged of a crime and incarcerated pre-trial allowed to keep their children with them? Nope, not unless they can bond out.
So apparently you feel illegal immigrants deserve better treatment than American citizens ....
Crossing the border illegally THE FIRST TIME IS A MISDEMEANOR offense, it's like getting a speeding ticket. Do you take someone's kids from them for getting a speeding ticket? No.
Apples and atom bombs ..... one is a legal citizen, one is not and trying to compare a simple speeding ticket to illegal immigration is disingenuous as hell.
Regardless, we have laws and there are consequences when you break them. Immigrants have options to emigrate legally to the US. If they don't want to potentially lose their kids, they should use them. Like my grand parents did and several buddies i served in the Corps with did, and etc, etc.
They have legal options and they flagrantly and intentionally choose to not to use them.
It does answer the question
Nope, ya got it wrong, both are misdemeanors under the law and, neither one requires children to be removed from the home, that is the point.
No, it doesn't answer the question that I posed to you, it simply dances around what I asked. Try again.
And i will simply repeat:
Many of the ones that are first time offenders are clearly trying to game the system. The ones with more than one violation get what they deserve as well. In either case its 100% on them.
That said, it's good to remember that more people immigrate to the US each year LEGALLY than any other country in the world. Significantly more. More than the next couple countries combined. So keep playing your political game here, meanwhile all those who come here legally are working towards making a better life for themselves. In a country that welcomes them.
Those are the immigrants i choose to support. The legal ones. You can keep on supporting the ones that try it illegally. Sounds about right considering ......
Sooo, they should be denied asylum even if they have a case for it and, their children should be put into a tent in 90 degree weather and, then what, auctioned off to the highest bidder once the parents are sent "packing"?
Where did I ever say that, damn you folks have really got some fucked up sight!
Certainly unfortunate but it is what it is. We clearly can't be everything, to everyone, in every circumstance. However, we can and are to many, as indicted by all the immigrants who do settle here legally each year. A point you keep conveniently skipping over to play your political games with the comparatively few involved in this situation.
If you really want to blame someone for all this, blame all of the Congresses that kept kicked this can down the road. And there are many of them. Otherwise, blame remains squarely on the backs of all the folks breaking/gaming the law.
Yep, that seems to be your usual standard, "blame the victim", but, now you seem to have taken it to a whole new level, tell me, when you become a Trump supporter do they remove your heart? Because it is obvious you don't have one, these kids are being taken from their parents, these parents are being deported without their kids, even when they ask for them to be returned. If your a parent, think what it would be like to have your kid taken from you, think what it is like when you are in a public place and, your kid disappears for any length of time, the panic you feel when that happens, now think what these parents are going through and, what the trauma is for these kids.
who was president then?
We were in the great depression then, millions of Citizens were unemployed
When a country's own citizens are suffering and there is not enough for them, is it fair to those citizens to add additional burden?
They have done that in Virginia, 10 mph over on I-81 is reckless driving and you can be taken to jail.
Sooo, anti-Semitism and, racism is ok sometimes? Got it.
Oh, Jesus Christ please, that is such a fucking lame excuse.
It is the law and you brought up speeding violations
It is a misdemeanor for the first offense and, does not require in any part of the law for children to be removed from the parent, that part is a Trump policy, please get that straight, it is Trump policy to remove kids from their parents at the border.
James J Hill did immigration right and helped settle last area needing settling, outside of Alaska, and did it with his money, helped make the people he selected successful in a difficult area and made money and build a great railroad doing it
That's nice. Do you think Mr. Hill would be happy with what you have been saying or, would he be on my side of the argument? Do you think he only thought that there should be 50 to 60 people in each town and, no more or, do you think that every place he helped settle had more room for more people?
1 I said he would be happy with my side.
2 50-60 per settlement, I think it was more at most places. An example to prove that is; Great Northern needed engineers in the new area. They bought new locomotives and engineers were assigned their own locomotive and sent west with it to fill an opening at a location they and family liked. Hill also had a research farm to improve crops and farm animals for cold weather along Great Northern Railroad
3 Places he helped settled like rest of this country have filled up.
how was not letting them in any of that?
If they are in car with arrested driver who is taken to jail, the children would have to be separated unless they were put in same cell with parent. I remember reading about a case in local paper where children of out of state driver who was arrested for reckless driving by speed(only has to be over 10 on I-81) and could not make bail were placed in foster care
So it is done to US citizens for speeding
The ship I was talking about, had Jews on it, the U.S. refused to let them in the country because ONE PASSENGER might have been a Nazi spy and, because of that ONE incident they refused to let any other refugees into the country during the war.
when only about 1 percent of the people watch cable news every day? not so much
sorry folks.. just like in the election. cable news is not going to move voters.
the message of "hate trump" is only reaching people who already do.
what does the vast majority of voters care about? "It is the economy stupid"
"GOP Fears Backlash In Midterms." ? ?
Guffaw.
"I could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and not lose a single vote," DJT.
It would seem this is a fallacy of Donald Trumps, yes, he can win a national election because of the Electoral College but, the state elections aren't set up under the Electoral College, they go by the popular vote so, let's see how popular Trump really is this November.
The GOP is still active in voter suppression and vote fraud. And today I think The Supreme Court gave them a little more time. The vote was unanimous which I do not understand. Some research is in order.
I also forgot to mention this. Here in Ohio Secretary of State Husted and Governor Kasich have removed hundreds of thousands from the voter rolls.
It's unlocked now.
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OK, going to put this to bed for the night, I'll open it in the morning.
Ok, it's open.
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