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It’s not 2011, and no one’s surprised when evangelicals rally behind a pimp

  

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Via:  bob-nelson  •  6 years ago  •  26 comments

It’s not 2011, and no one’s surprised when evangelicals rally behind a pimp

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Dennis Hof, a Republican candidate for state senate in Nevada, is campaigning as “the Trump of Pahrump.”

“This really is the Trump movement,” Hof, 71, told Reuters in an interview at Moonlite BunnyRanch, his brothel near Carson City in northern Nevada that was featured on the HBO reality television series “Cathouse.”

Hof is enthusiastically telling Republican voters that he’s just like Donald Trump. And he is . He’s a thrice-divorced habitually adulterous reality TV figure, he nominally authored a book titled The Art of the Pimp, and — as Jeet Heer notes — he’s been credibly “accused by multiple women of sexual assault.”

And so, just like his idol, Hof is enjoying the fervent support of white evangelical Christians.

People want to know how an evangelical can support a self-proclaimed pimp ,” one evangelical pastor said to Reuters’ Tim Reid.

The pastor says this as though at this point there remained anything surprising or newsworthy about that scenario. As though someone, somewhere might still be looking at white evangelical Christians in America and imagining to themselves “People like that would never support an outright pimp as a candidate for office.” Or as though any observer might still be under the illusion that white evangelical voters have any meaningful moral standards in their politics, their lives, or their religion.

The pastor says this as though this were still 2011.

White evangelical voters are, so far, only rallying to elect one of these people to office. So far.

Back in 2011, you may remember, is when I was chastised as allegedly being rude and uncivil and cruelly hyperbolic for noting that even an iconically despicable, dishonest and immoral racist buffoon could rely on uncritical support from white evangelicals if that person were willing to parrot their line on anti-abortionism and opposition to marriage equality:

We recently saw this demonstrated yet again in the brief surge of evangelical enthusiasm for Donald Trump’s candidacy for president. Trump is a relentlessly amoral and a religious person — and he’s also loony as all get out — but he had signaled his willingness to toe the line on abortion and homosexuality, and so he received the blessing of Franklin Graham and of Tony Perkins and other evangelical gatekeepers.

That wasn’t entirely hypothetical, since Hophni and TLTP really were enthusiastically supportive of Trump’s brief 2011 vanity campaign. But what I was suggesting there still seemed outrageous and over-the-top. We were all a bit more innocent and naive back then, still imagining there must be some limit on the depravity, cruelty, and brutish stupidity that white evangelicals would be willing to support in the name of their opposition to imaginary Satanic baby-killers.

Donald Trump had spent decades aggressively promoting himself as the iconic embodiment of superlative greed, swindling, cruelty, bigotry, sexual indulgence and prideful selfishness. He had earned that reputation, and he was proud of it.

If someone had sat down to create a character who was, in every way, anathema to the purported values of white evangelical “values voters,” they couldn’t have come up with anything more extreme than Donald Trump. He was a slumlord and casino mogul, a thrice-married serial adulterer who bragged about his extramarital affairs, profited from strip clubs, and even sold his own brand of vodka.

So my suggestion that white evangelicals’ lockstep, reptilian partisanship was so extreme that they would even support someone like Donald Trump really did seem extravagantly harsh back then. But it’s not 2011 any more.

We’ve learned a lot since then about what white evangelical voters are willing to embrace, and none of it has been pretty. Just consider the examples of Dennis Hastert and Roy Moore. Back in 2011, as far as most of us knew, Dennis Hastert — the longest-serving Republican Speaker of the House in American history — was an upstanding white evangelical Wheaton graduate and a family man. It wasn’t until 2015 that we learned that all those years he’d been paying hush money to the men he’d sexually abused when they were still teenagers.

But even in 2015 we were still naively generous in believing there were limits to white evangelicals’ amoral partisanship. We all still imagined that Hastert would never have been embraced and supported by evangelical voters if they had known about his long history of sexual predation. But then the candidacy of disgraced former judge Roy Moore took away that overly generous illusion. Here was someone whose long history of sexually preying on teenagers was known, and yet white evangelical voters supported him anyway . Because Satanic baby-killers.

It’s not 2011 any more. We’ve seen white evangelicals rally behind Roy Moore. We see them still rallying behind Donald freaking Trump. It’s not hypothetical or hyperbolic. We know. There are no limits. None.

So, no, nobody is at all perplexed or curious about “how an evangelical can support a self-proclaimed pimp.” Evangelical voters may still make a big show of straining out gnats, but we’ve seen them swallow whole herds of camels. Having seen that, nobody is still surprised to see these prideful Christians lining up to vote for a pimp.

Victor Fuentes — the pimp-supporting, Trump-loving evangelical pastor interviewed by Reuters — explained his support for Hof this way: “We have politicians, they might speak good words, not sleep with prostitutes, be a good neighbor. But by their decisions, they have evil in their heart. Dennis Hof is not like that.”

Translation: Dennis Hof tells me that I am a heroic champion courageously battling against the hordes of Satanic baby-killers by bravely voting for Dennis Hof. Therefore, Dennis Hof is good and I am good and anyone who says otherwise has evil in their heart.

It is not in any way surprising that an evangelical pastor would support a proud pimp and Trumpist.

It is only slightly surprising that someone named Fuentes imagines it’s safe for him to do so, but I suppose he’s assuming that his blind loyalty means that the leopards will never eat his face.


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Bob Nelson
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1  seeder  Bob Nelson    6 years ago

"Values voters".....   $%^)@%(^

 
 
 
Fireryone
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1.1  Fireryone  replied to  Bob Nelson @1    6 years ago
Values voters

valueless voters.  

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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1.1.1  seeder  Bob Nelson  replied to  Fireryone @1.1    6 years ago

Yes... but "voters" all the same... Face Palm

 
 
 
Fireryone
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1.1.2  Fireryone  replied to  Bob Nelson @1.1.1    6 years ago

We just have to have a bigger turn out.  Do you think we will?

 
 
 
Ender
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1.1.3  Ender  replied to  Fireryone @1.1.2    6 years ago

I hope so, It needs to be done. I am afraid that by the time donald is done, violence will break out.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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1.1.4  seeder  Bob Nelson  replied to  Fireryone @1.1.2    6 years ago
Do you think we will?

That's the essential question, isn't it?

The problem is that 2018 isn't sufficient. The GOP is in such a powerful situation because they won massively in the 2010 mid-terms, gaining the right to re-draw electoral districts in the wake of the 2010 decennial census. That's why so many state legislatures are so heavily gerrymandered in their favor. (This was not a random result. It was a carefully planned and executed strategy called REDMAP.)

And of course, controlling Congress has led to the nomination of conservatives to judgeships at all levels.

So to have any hope of "restoring democracy in America", the GOP must lose control of both the Presidency and the Congress for a long, long time.

I am not optimistic.

 
 
 
Fireryone
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1.1.5  Fireryone  replied to  Ender @1.1.3    6 years ago
I am afraid that by the time donald is done, violence will break out.

I think that may happen before or right after the midterms now that Kennedy is retiring.  

 
 
 
Ender
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1.1.7  Ender  replied to    6 years ago

If it is started by people on the left, I would wager that it would be because people on the left are tired of being called morons or any other childish remarks the trumpers love to throw around.

 
 
 
Ender
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1.1.10  Ender  replied to    6 years ago

So someone else did it so that gives the green light to do it to everyone else. Ahh.

I try not to make generalizations and there are a couple of people on the right that do not fit this yet, the trumpers are a cult to themselves that constantly demonize anyone that does not follow along.

 
 
 
Ender
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1.1.11  Ender  replied to    6 years ago

Old enough to remember that the Alzheimer president wasn't as great as the right side of the aisle claims.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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1.2  Greg Jones  replied to  Bob Nelson @1    6 years ago

Are you, off all people, casting stones at these "sinners"?  LOL

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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1.2.1  seeder  Bob Nelson  replied to  Greg Jones @1.2    6 years ago

"off"?

 
 
 
Ender
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2  Ender    6 years ago

Morals, values, ethics, all seem to be a thing of the past.

There are actually some on this forum that think the left are godless heathens yet say that the press lies and they rally around trump. They embrace all the hatefulness, name calling, threats, nasty rhetoric, and try to justify it by saying it needs to be done.

No matter how nasty people on their side get, they somehow believe that the other side is worse.

Instead of loving and understanding ones neighbor, it is always an us against them attitude.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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2.1  seeder  Bob Nelson  replied to  Ender @2    6 years ago
No matter how nasty people on their side get, they somehow believe that the other side is worse.

It's "projection".

I think it' started as intentional tactics. They have no ideas at all - I have asked over and over and over what they want to build and they literally have nothing to offer. In the absence of any ideas of one's own, all one has is destruction - as seen in Trump's dogged degradation of whatever Obama did.

But that's not easy to sell:
-  "My program is to destroy everything the other side has built!"
-   And they crowd went wild!! ...  ... for a while ...
-   ...  ... and then the crowd asked,"And then what?"
-   Massive silence, because there are no ideas, none at all...
-   Disappointed crowd goes home..............

So the right must maintain the crowd's frenzy. This is why Trump's language is ever more inflammatory. Why he must find a new norm to trash every day.

The right cannot be honest. They would have to recognize that the Emperor has no clothes.

What to do? Simple: steal ideas from those who have them, and shift the conversation to a full-time, all-out attack on those ideas and the people who hold them. The attack need not be rational or even decent. On the contrary! Vileness doesn't come easy to most people, so most people are disarmed when they're the object of vile and dishonest attacks. (Long tradition, from rat-fucking through Swiftboating, ...)

This is all a sham. These people do not believe a word they say. It is pure Bad Faith .

But!

They've been doing this for so long that it has become an unthinking reflex. And since they are not exactly the most introspective people... they lash out without even thinking about it.

Think about the members of this site. I'd guess that we could each draw up a list... and that there wouldn't be more than two names' difference... A very few are conscious hypocrites, but most are just sheep following those few.

 
 
 
Ender
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2.1.1  Ender  replied to  Bob Nelson @2.1    6 years ago
A very few are conscious hypocrites, but most are just sheep following those few.

I have actually seen that, on internet chat as places like this and my former home (as well as in real life). I have seen people actually getting along and having a decent conversation, then one or two come a long and whip them into a frenzy. Then everything is back to square one.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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2.1.2  seeder  Bob Nelson  replied to  Ender @2.1.1    6 years ago

Yup...  eek

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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2.1.3  Greg Jones  replied to  Bob Nelson @2.1    6 years ago

BlahBlahBlah  

What have the left wingers done lately for the good of all the people?  The Democrats seem to be completely out of ideas, either old or new!

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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2.1.4  seeder  Bob Nelson  replied to  Greg Jones @2.1.3    6 years ago
What have the left wingers done lately for the good of all the people?  The Democrats seem to be completely out of ideas, either old or new!

Again... projection.

The GOP is now all-powerful, and the only significant act the party has accomplished is a massive tax reduction for the wealthy.

For "all of the people", the Republicans are working on eliminating health-care and raising the tax burden.Eye Roll

These are the events that are occurring in the real world, but apologists simply say the opposite... and repeat it... and repeat it...

I wonder, Greg... Do you believe what you write? Are your posts nothing more than hypocritical propaganda?

Or... worse... have you so lost touch with reality that you actually believe what you write?

 
 
 
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3      6 years ago

                                              :eyeroll:

 
 
 
Kavika
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4  Kavika     6 years ago

art-of-the-pimp.jpg?w=230&quality=100&st

Perhaps as in the inscription on the cover the Evangelicals can get a little booty from old Dennis.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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4.2  seeder  Bob Nelson  replied to  Kavika @4    6 years ago

That's fantastic! And this guy is running for the "values" party...   Makes No Sense

 
 

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