DON'T FORGET.....EVER !

  

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Via:  it-is-me  •  2 years ago  •  86 comments

DON'T FORGET.....EVER !

S E E D E D   C O N T E N T



There are folks outside these borders that are out to get us....or.....willing to disrupt us....or.....want us shut down... and we constantly infight....now more than ever...over everything else, and everyone else, but U.S. Citizens !

When are united States Citizens.....ALL.....going to wake up to that fact, and decide what is actually more important.

THEM...…..

OR

US...…...

This is an old vid, but it fits to this day....and should have been a total wakeup call, instead of some kind of "political Flitter moment" as to what is REALLY going on .

We....the people….have become too complacent, and worry WAY TO MUCH about everyone outside this country. I'm sure everyone knows, other countries are more than "Capable"....right ? What happened to the "Liberal" sect. that complained about OUR country Policing the entire world when Bush was President. Was that a "Flitter Moment" too ?

Trump wants to get out of that "Policing the world" business and make others responsible, and now the "Liberal Sect." wants too expand it this time ?

WTF is wrong with those people. You either "Want"......

OR...….

You don't !

Wake the Fuck up Folks !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

WHICH IS IT ????????????????

If you don't know for sure, or want it to be political........Your being played...…. SO........Shut the Fuck Up !!!!!!!!!!!!


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It Is ME
1  seeder  It Is ME    2 years ago

How soon some are willing to forget !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
 
 
XDm9mm
1.1  XDm9mm  replied to  It Is ME @1    2 years ago

Some of us will never forget.  

Fortunately.

 
 
 
It Is ME
1.1.1  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  XDm9mm @1.1    2 years ago

"I".....WILL NEVER FORGET !

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
1.1.2  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  It Is ME @1.1.1    2 years ago

I just can't... You have no idea. I was there. I saw it. SMH.

Do not politicize 9/11. It is an ugly thing to do. Those people who died that day were from every walk of life. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
1.1.3  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1.1.2    2 years ago
Do not politicize 9/11. It is an ugly thing to do.

Politics and warped ideology got us to that point of Sept. 11 happening. How can it not be politicized ?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
1.1.4  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  It Is ME @1.1.3    2 years ago

Politics did not get us into 9/11. Bad international policy and our intelligence service not doing their due diligence got us into 9/11.

That day is seared into my brain. The things I saw, smelled, heard.. I can never forget. And if being there was not bad enough, I and my family suffered through the fog of burnt human flesh and chemicals that settled over our town for over a week.  It was so bad that they wouldn't let the children out to play at school. I went to the funeral of 2 close friends and about another 9 more, of family members of friends of mine. 

To those who watched from a distance, it was a horrifying event but their lives went on pretty unaffected. To us New Yorkers who lived through it, it became a defining moment. 

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
1.1.5  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1.1.4    2 years ago
To those who watched from a distance, it was a horrifying event but their lives went on pretty unaffected. To us New Yorkers who lived through it, it became a defining moment.

At the time this happened, I had a step-brother that worked at the Pentagon, I wondered for a week if he had been at work during the time the plane ran into the building, then my brother got hold of me and, told me that he had been overseas at the time taking care of some business there, I was never so relieved in my life.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
1.1.6  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Galen Marvin Ross @1.1.5    2 years ago
I was never so relieved in my life.

I bet you were. I would feel the same way. What a massive horrifying screw up.

 
 
 
It Is ME
1.1.7  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1.1.4    2 years ago
Bad international policy

Again Politics.

Trust me, I cried when this happened.

As far as this article goes, it's about what has happened to us at HOME and what is being protested about by the "Left" now, as us needing to be more inclusive of "Illegals" coming into this country. 

Willy Nilly letting people into this country because one "Feels" for them, isn't a good policy. 

And..….

The ones that flew the planes into the twin towers came to this country from elsewhere too. They got here somehow. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
1.1.8  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  It Is ME @1.1.7    2 years ago

9/11 didn't happen because we let immigrants into this country. 9/11 happened because we had bad international policy by every president going back to Regan. 9/11 happened becuase we didn't track people who over stayed their visas. 9/11 happened because people in the Pentagon refused to listen to the possibility that planes could be used as bombs. 9/11 happened because they never took the first attempt seriously. 

I made it a life long passion to find out why 9/11 happened. Do you know what it is like to witness a plane going through a building? To actually see those people jump? The chaos on the streets as people didn't know which way to flee? I'm sorry, but I know the facts of the day and I know who to blame. But it can be summed up into one word, Incompetence

 
 
 
It Is ME
1.1.9  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1.1.8    2 years ago
9/11 didn't happen because we let immigrants into this country.

Then who were the ones that highjacked the planes ?

"9/11 happened becuase we didn't track people who over stayed their visas."

Sounds like an Immigration Problem in this country. It would seem, the President we have now, is trying to fix that, and is being fought because he wants the laws of THIS LAND to be followed ! Is the "Left" wanting the immigration problem to remain "Same Ol'", so we may have another issue like 9/11 ? They didn't fix it for 8 years after all. They didn't even want to speak of it.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
1.1.10  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  It Is ME @1.1.9    2 years ago

"9/11 happened becuase we didn't track people who over stayed their visas."

Sounds like an Immigration Problem in this country.

People visiting the country is not an immigration problem. There is a huge difference between people entering this country for vacations and business and then a few who overstay, which is illegal. We have literally millions of visitors to the US every year. Most do not over stay their visas. You can not conflate illegal immigration, with normal daily visitors to this country. Those terrorist were not here legally. They had overstayed their visas. 

I'm sorry, but using 9/11 as reason for an immigration policy is just wrong. It is our international policies that span half a century that got us there and total incompetence of our intelligence agencies.

 
 
 
It Is ME
1.1.11  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1.1.10    2 years ago

So the folks that flew the planes into the twin towers were just visiting ?

"You can not conflate illegal immigration, with normal daily visitors to this country."

Please, Please, Please show me where I did that.

"I'm sorry, but using 9/11 as reason for an immigration policy is just wrong."

No it's NOT ! As even YOU posted, Foreign POLICY(Politics) is one of the blames.

"Immigration/Illegal", is ALL about "Policy" !

 
 
 
JohnRussell
1.1.12  JohnRussell  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1.1.10    2 years ago

The article seeks to draw a direct connection between immigration and 9-11. 

Not intelligent and pretty xenophobic. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
1.1.13  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.12    2 years ago
The article seeks to draw a direct connection between immigration and 9-11.

Do explain. Thinking 2

Your missing an important "word" in your post there John.

 
 
 
tomwcraig
1.1.14  tomwcraig  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1.1.4    2 years ago

Politics was involved and it was because each of our intelligence agencies were too busy protecting THEIR turf, not protecting America by sharing information.  It was the politics of self-aggrandizement and greed for power.  To deny that really does a disservice to those like Lt. Jonas Panik who died doing their duty or died at the World Trade Center doing their jobs or died trying to stop the terrorists like the passengers of Flight 93.

 
 
 
NORMAN-D
1.1.15  NORMAN-D  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1.1.4    2 years ago

No.....A medieval religious / geo-political ideology is the ONLY reason 9/11 happened....period. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
1.1.16  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  It Is ME @1.1.11    2 years ago
So the folks that flew the planes into the twin towers were just visiting ?

That is how they came into this country and over stayed their visas. 

"You can not conflate illegal immigration, with normal daily visitors to this country."

Please, Please, Please show me where I did that.

OK here:

"Immigration/Illegal", is ALL about "Policy" !

Except, they had never applied for immigration. They were here on a visitors visas. So in the case of the 9/11 no immigration policy would have made any difference. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
1.1.17  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  tomwcraig @1.1.14    2 years ago

Tom, I would have to agree with your statement. That, and they were presented with the possibility that planes could be used as bombs and they chose to ignore that.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
1.1.18  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  NORMAN-D @1.1.15    2 years ago
No.....A medieval religious / geo-political ideology is the ONLY reason 9/11 happened....period.

You know what Norman.. why do you think they were interested in us? They were quite content to stay in their rocky little home. But let's look at the effects of our foreign policy first. 

Ronald Regan's desire to bring down the USSR, got us involved in covert operations with the Mujahideen. You know those guys.. lead by Osama. Our guys gave them our weapons, taught them how to use it, and worst of all, taught them about us. Eventually, Russia did get burnt out of deal with Afghanistan, but in the process, we made ourselves very known to the Mujahideen, and when they were rid of the Russians, they decided that we were not so hot either. The ball was rolling.

The Bush 1, who got involved in "Desert Storm 1" Now we were seen as not aiding Kuwait against Iraq, but interlopers by Osama and his follower like the "Blind Sheik" Add to that America's support of Israel and these people knew their enemy and the enemy was us. The Gulf War was from 90-91. The first attempt on the WTC in 1993.

Clinton decided to ignore acts of terrorism. He could have taken out Bin Laden, who was very known by our intelligence as highly dangerous and well trained, but he didn't. His reaction to the bombing of the Cole was weak. By this time the Mujahideen had become  Al - Qaeda  and was using money from drugs and the Saudis to fund their next hit. They would finish off what they begun in back in 1993. This is what Bin Laden said:

It has become clear that the West in general and America in particular have an unspeakable hatred for Islam. ... It is the hatred of crusaders . Terrorism against America deserves to be praised because it was a response to injustice, aimed at forcing America to stop its support for Israel, which kills our people. ... We say that the end of the United States is imminent, whether Bin Laden or his followers are alive or dead, for the awakening of the Muslim umma (nation) has occurred

Osama bin Laden's declaration of a   holy war   against the United States, and a   1998   fatwā   signed by bin Laden   and others, calling for the killing of Americans, [10]   are seen by investigators as evidence of his motivation. [41]   In bin Laden's November 2002 "Letter to America", he explicitly stated that al-Qaeda's motives for their attacks include:

Now had we never intervened in Russia's war, do you think they would have the knowledge about us that they had? The answer is clearly no. We made our own Frankenstein's Monster. How about that for our brilliant international policy?

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
1.1.19  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1.1.6    2 years ago
I bet you were. I would feel the same way. What a massive horrifying screw up.

It seems that all of my siblings are older than me by several years, yes, I'm the "baby" in the family, my step-brother, who is retired now, at the time was a liaison at the Pentagon, he traveled a lot and, did whatever liaisons do, not going to ask that question because it might put me on someone's "radar". I did learn that he rarely spent any time at the Pentagon, anyway, this is the guy who taught me how to ride a bike when I first met him, he was finishing college at the time in Florida and, I was just out of training wheels on the damn thing and, wrecking it all over the street, he came to see his Mom and, my Dad and, saw this poor kid getting skinned up on the street, he came over and, asked if he could help, hell, I didn't know who he was, he said "I'm Bob, Kay's son", that told me nothing really except that I was suppose to be able to trust him, within minutes I was riding the bike up and, down the street and, not getting skinned up anymore, from that time on he, as far as I was concerned, was another big brother to me.  

 
 
 
tomwcraig
1.1.20  tomwcraig  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1.1.18    2 years ago

You are ignoring a major issue that caused everything, Perrie: Jimmy Carter's support of the Shah of Iran, particularly ignoring the atrocities committed by the Shah's secret police.  It was part of why our embassy in Tehran was taken over in 1979 and really laid down the groundwork for most of the Islamic terrorism and extremism.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
1.1.21  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  tomwcraig @1.1.20    2 years ago

Tom,

You can't blame Carter for the Shah, since he became the Shah in 1941 and it was the British and the US wanted him due to BP oil interests. The revolution had nothing to do with Carter, since there were attempts before to get the Khomeini in power that failed. If you wanted to blame Jimmy Carter for anything, it was the take over of the US embassy, because he disregarded warnings from his advisors to protect the embassy. Carter had no international policy and made the US look weak, but the revolution would have happened sooner or later.

Iran might be a major export of terrorism in the world, but when it comes to 9/11, you have to look at our interference in the Afgan war with the USSR and to the Saudis. 

 
 
 
Raven Wing
1.1.22  Raven Wing  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1.1.10    2 years ago
It is our international policies that span half a century that got us there and total incompetence of our intelligence agencies.

Clapping  Thumbs Up 2

 
 
 
Raven Wing
1.1.23  Raven Wing  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1.1.2    2 years ago
Those people who died that day were from every walk of life.

crying  

 
 
 
tomwcraig
1.1.24  tomwcraig  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1.1.21    2 years ago

Carter's CIA helped the Shah's secret police quite often and Carter turned a blind eye towards the abuses happening under the Shah. Afghanistan wasn't about destroying the Soviet Union; but was about keeping them tied up there to prevent any adventurism in Europe and to keep them from gaining influence in Pakistan and India.  Oh, yes, the long term goal was to end the Soviet Union; but any sane person would know that a proxy war in Afghanistan alone would not do anything to topple the Soviet government in Moscow.  What caused the collapse of the Soviet government was our ability to ramp up our military due to our economic strength while the Soviet economy was in constant stagnation and inflation.

 
 
 
owlsview677
1.2  owlsview677  replied to  It Is ME @1    2 years ago

I do not disagree with what you have presented.

Complacency is only a part of the problem.

willing to disrupt us....or.....want us shut down... and we constantly infight....now more than ever.

A serious conqueror realizes the value of turning his target's greatest strength into a weakness. This Nation's greatest asset has always been it's diversity. Transform that diversity into divisiveness and we become weak, unable to stand unified and vulnerable to the will of our enemies.

"We constantly infight .... now more than ever." Providing our real enemies a pathway to conquer us from within.

 
 
 
It Is ME
1.2.1  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  owlsview677 @1.2    2 years ago
"We constantly infight .... now more than ever." Providing our real enemies a pathway to conquer us from within.

"We are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence — on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day"
John F. Kennedy 

 
 
 
tomwcraig
1.2.2  tomwcraig  replied to  owlsview677 @1.2    2 years ago

I will not forget.  I was sleeping in my apartment and a friend from the UK called and woke me up to tell me about it.  At the time, I lived under a major air traffic route and Flight 93 probably flew over my area on its way to crash about a 2 hour drive southwest of that apartment.  My brother and sister were classmates of someone who was killed at the Pentagon and I knew him as well.

 
 
 
owlsview677
1.2.3  owlsview677  replied to  It Is ME @1.2.1    2 years ago

Kennedy, one of if not the most popular and revered Democrat to hold the Presidency.

He knew what he was talking about. It was under his watch that the handbook for the "Communist Manifesto" was entered into the Library of Congress.

Soon after his death it became a point of ridicule for the Democratic Party. Hushed up and swept under the rug.

According to today's politicians, especially leftists posing as Democrats, he was nothing more than just another conspiracy nut.

 
 
 
owlsview677
1.2.4  owlsview677  replied to  tomwcraig @1.2.2    2 years ago

It is a day none of us will forget even if like me. I don't know for sure if I personally knew any of the victims or not.It still created a sense of mental anguish.

It was also a wake up call to the many who weren't in the habit of paying much attention to national and international politics. I believe that there is a direct correlation between the growth of the Independent movement and the events of 9-1-1.

 
 
 
It Is ME
1.2.5  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  owlsview677 @1.2.3    2 years ago
According to today's politicians, especially leftists posing as Democrats, he was nothing more than just another conspiracy nut.

Eating their own, as they have been doing 2009 to present. I don't think there are any Democrats left.

 
 
 
owlsview677
1.2.6  owlsview677  replied to  It Is ME @1.2.5    2 years ago

Dang if that doesn't sound like a shot at Obama. Not exactly inaccurate either.

Bill Clinton in my book was a Democrat. Not the best to ever hold the office but far from the worst either. His wife however was never one in my opinion. Do you remember her healthcare plan? Nor was she ever a Republican in more than just name. Nor does she qualify as a Socialist.To me she was never anything more than the spindly four-eyed nerd I met at a protest whose only ambition in life was to be the first female President regardless of how she achieved it.

Obama indeed gave it a big boost but the actual destruction of the Democratic Party as it once was started during the 1968 Democratic Convention in Chicago. These things don't happen overnight, all Obama really did was take things over the top and revealed the true colors of today's Democratic Party.

 
 
 
It Is ME
1.2.7  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  owlsview677 @1.2.6    2 years ago
Bill Clinton in my book was a Democrat.

I agree.

" all Obama really did was take things over the top and revealed the true colors of today's Democratic Party."

You defined my reason for my "2009 to present" response very well. thumbs up

 
 
 
epistte
1.3  epistte  replied to  It Is ME @1    2 years ago
How soon some are willing to forget !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What minority or ethnic group should we be bombing or harassing so you can claim that we didn't forget?

 
 
 
It Is ME
1.3.1  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  epistte @1.3    2 years ago
What minority or ethnic group should we be bombing or harassing

Is that what you got from my statements ?

 
 
 
epistte
1.3.2  epistte  replied to  It Is ME @1.3.1    2 years ago

Yea, I did.

There are folks outside these borders that are out to get us....or.....willing to disrupt us....or.....want us shut down... and we constantly infight....now more than ever...over everything else, and everyone else, but U.S. Citizens !

 
 
 
lady in black
2  lady in black    2 years ago

I will never forget :(

 
 
 
Sunshine
2.1  Sunshine  replied to  lady in black @2    2 years ago

me neither....never. 

 
 
 
Sunshine
4  Sunshine    2 years ago

I can remember the entire day.  

 
 
 
lady in black
4.1  lady in black  replied to  Sunshine @4    2 years ago

So do I.  

 
 
 
Kathleen
4.3  Kathleen  replied to  Sunshine @4    2 years ago

Me too, I was off from work that day, I had my daughter in her high chair making breakfast. At first I thought it was a new movie coming out, then I realized a plane really did hit the tower. The first one, I thought was an accident, the second one, I was pissed.

Yep...I will never forget.

 
 
 
Kathleen
4.4  Kathleen  replied to  Sunshine @4    2 years ago

I do too. My sister came over and the church I was going to called and said they were having a prayer meeting later that day for the victims. ( They never called me before, because I rarely went). I was just glued to the TV and I cried a couple times. I noticed one of the towers was leaning a bit, I wondered how long it would stand and a few seconds later it came down. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
5  seeder  It Is ME    2 years ago

Folks in this country....are more worried about bringing "Illegals" into the fold, more than helping those that are already "Legally" in the fold.

 
 
 
epistte
5.1  epistte  replied to  It Is ME @5    2 years ago
Folks in this country....are more worried about bringing "Illegals" into the fold, more than helping those that are already "Legally" in the fold.

Do you feel better about harassing innocent people when you wrap yourself in the flag and quote from the Bible? 

Leviticus 19:33-34 New International Version (NIV)

33 “‘When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. 34 The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born.A)" data-cr="#cen-NIV-3316A"> Love them as yourself,B)" data-cr="#cen-NIV-3316B"> for you were foreignersC)" data-cr="#cen-NIV-3316C"> in Egypt.D)" data-cr="#cen-NIV-3316D"> I am the Lord your God.

 
 
 
It Is ME
5.1.1  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  epistte @5.1    2 years ago
When a foreigner resides among you in your land

Did you miss that part ?

The "Illegals" caught at the border don't "RESIDE" amongst us.

 
 
 
epistte
5.1.2  epistte  replied to  It Is ME @5.1.1    2 years ago
The "Illegals" caught at the border don't "RESIDE" amongst us.

If the people didn't reside among us they would not be undocumented immigrants. They would still be in another country. Logically, ICE can't pick up someone in another country and claim that they are in the US illegally. 

Should I explain this in a Venn diagram?

 
 
 
It Is ME
5.1.3  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  epistte @5.1.2    2 years ago

Miss this part too ?

We....the people….have become too complacent, and worry WAY TO MUCH about everyone outside this country.

 
 
 
tomwcraig
5.1.4  tomwcraig  replied to  epistte @5.1.2    2 years ago

There are three types of illegals: Those trying to get into our borders and stopped at the border.  Those that got into our borders without being stopped at the border.  And, those that overstayed their visas.  How would your Venn diagram show those three types, since in reality a Venn diagram only shows where certain things overlap.  What It Is ME is trying to explain to you is that there are those that get to our borders and either get caught or get through without getting caught.  So-called undocumented immigrants are for the most part those that got through our borders without getting caught.

 
 
 
epistte
5.1.5  epistte  replied to  It Is ME @5.1.3    2 years ago
We....the people….have become too complacent, and worry WAY TO MUCH about everyone outside this country.

The supposed 9/11 hijackers weren't illegal immigrants.   They had valid visas. 

 
 
 
Freefaller
6  Freefaller    2 years ago

When are united States Citizens.....ALL.....going to wake up to that fact, and decide what is actually more important.

Not political, just an observation. The US is a free and democratic nation, any expectation of all toeing the same line is unrealistic, it has never happened in US history and will never happen.  It's one of the things that made the US the great nation it is

 
 
 
It Is ME
6.1  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  Freefaller @6    2 years ago
The US is a free and democratic nation,

"We the people"...."OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA"......

Weird....

It seems to have changed to "We the People"....."of other WORLD nations" !

 
 
 
Freefaller
6.1.1  Freefaller  replied to  It Is ME @6.1    2 years ago

While there are some that will wholly agree with your statement there are some who will wholly disagree and there will be a whole bunch somewhere in the middle.  Like I said all thinking the same is not realistic given the US is a nation of free people.

 
 
 
It Is ME
6.1.2  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  Freefaller @6.1.1    2 years ago
Like I said all thinking the same is not realistic given the US is a nation of free people.

That word "Free" doesn't mean what it used to any more.

 
 
 
Freefaller
6.1.3  Freefaller  replied to  It Is ME @6.1.2    2 years ago

To me it hasn't changed, but we are all different people with different views

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
7  Dismayed Patriot    2 years ago

"I'm sure everyone knows, other countries are more than "Capable"....right ? What happened to the "Liberal" sect. that complained about OUR country Policing the entire world when Bush was President. Was that a "Flitter Moment" too ?

Trump wants to get out of that "Policing the world" business and make others responsible, and now the "Liberal Sect." wants too expand it this time ?"

This is a completely false assertion. "Liberals" are not wanting America to continue to "nation build" as was the intent of the unnecessary Iraq and Afghanistan invasions. Liberals never wanted America to give up our position as global leader and defender of western democracy. They never asked us to back out of promises and responsibilities to our NATO allies. Liberals never asked to cede power to Russia or China as Trump has been doing. Liberals never asked our President to ridicule our global allies while praising authoritarians and western democracies greatest enemies.

We should never forget the events of September 11, 2001 but we should also never forget the events that took place during the 2016 Presidential election where an enemy foreign government attacked our election process, but those who ended up benefitting from that illegal act have chosen to ignore, forget or even praise such attacks on our nation. Those persons should be ashamed and recognize that siding with the attackers in the 2016 election makes them no better than those who sided with the attackers on 9/11. They are traitors to this nation and enemies to western democracy.

 
 
 
Ronin2
7.1  Ronin2  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @7    2 years ago

but we should also never forget the events that took place during the 2016 Presidential election where an enemy foreign government attacked our election process,

The Russians ran a propaganda campaign. They didn't physically change one damn vote, no matter how hard the left cries. If the Russians wanted to really disrupt our elections he should have done what Obama did in Israel. Lest you forget.

http://thehill.com/policy/international/236565-netanyahu-pollster-obama-role-in-election-larger-than-reported

"There was money moving that included taxpayer U.S. dollars, through non-profit organizations. And there were various liberal groups in the United States that were raising millions to fund a campaign called V15 against Prime Minister Netanyahu," McLaughlin said.

He noted an effort to oust Netanyahu was guided by former Obama political operative Jeremy Bird and that V15, or Victory 15, ads hurt Netanyahu in the polls. McLaughlin said the Israeli leader rebounded after delivering a speech to Congress early this month, prompting more critical ads.

V15 was viewed as part of a broader campaign to oust Netanyahu. The group was linked to Washington-based nonprofit OneVoice Movement, which reportedly received $350,000 in State Department grants. Money to OneVoice stopped flowing in November, officials said, before the Israeli elections.

McLaughlin also cited an effort "to organize the [Israeli] Arabs into one party and teach them about voter turnout."

"The State Department people in the end of January, early February, expedited visas for [Israeli] Arab leaders to come to the United States to learn how to vote," McLaughlin said.

"There were people in the United States that were organizing them to vote in one party so they would help the left-of-center candidate, Herzog, that the Obama administration favored," he added.

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but those who ended up benefitting from that illegal act have chosen to ignore, forget or even praise such attacks on our nation. Those persons should be ashamed and recognize that siding with the attackers in the 2016 election makes them no better than those who sided with the attackers on 9/11. They are traitors to this nation and enemies to western democracy.

Putin is laughing his ass off right now. Sanctions are still in place, and more enacted by Trump's administration, against Russia. Trump has upped the US presence in Syria, including ground forces. The US is still part of NATO (Trump just expects them to pull their own weight).  Putin might be thankful Hillary- who never met a military engagement she didn't like- isn't in charge; but by no means has Trump been "soft" on Russia. The left is doing his job for him, and the US is more divided now than ever before.

If another 9/11 happened it could spark a US civil war; instead of bringing us together.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
7.1.1  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Ronin2 @7.1    2 years ago
They didn't physically change one damn vote, no matter how hard the left cries.

False.  Russian bots penetrated the voting systems of multiple (at least 20) states getting direct access to voter data. Removing someone from the voter rolls is definitely changing that person's vote.  It's not a question of whether this happened but how much of it did.  Only a relatively tiny number of denied votes in three states alone would have made the difference in this election.  But this doesn't even take into consideration the massive false flag and propaganda efforts made on Facebook and Twitter just to name a couple of hard-hit platforms that were particularly targeting states the made the difference:  WI, MI and PA.  But go ahead and keep shilling for the Russians and their tool, Scumbag Trump while we contemplate the treason it betrays.  

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
7.1.2  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Ronin2 @7.1    2 years ago
If another 9/11 happened it could spark a US civil war; instead of bringing us together.

Indeed it could because the most likely perpetrator would be Putin and we have nearly half a nation in love with the murderous dictator and his white nationalist fascism. The South and all its bitter confederate descendants who have been biding their time would just love to attack our nation again. It's why they scream so loud when you try to take their assault rifles away, that's what they imagine they'll fight the government with. They are protectionist, xenophobic, homophobic, misogynist bigots who love Putin and Russia and don't give a crap about America or our ideals of freedom, justice and equality for all regardless of race, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, faith or lack thereof. They want to destroy America which is why they elected an arsonist into the oval office.

Thankfully, I believe these white nationalist fascists and wannabe confederates would find themselves in the same position they did 150 years ago, dead, dying or defeated walking home with their tails between their legs.

 
 
 
Ronin2
7.1.3  Ronin2  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @7.1.1    2 years ago
False.  Russian bots penetrated the voting systems of multiple (at least 20) states getting direct access to voter data. Removing someone from the voter rolls is definitely changing that person's vote.  It's not a question of whether this happened but how much of it did.

Prove it. Let me save you the trouble- it is a direct lie by the left; which the government already refuted. No one was removed from the voter registration system.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/russians-penetrated-u-s-voter-systems-says-top-u-s-n845721

In an exclusive interview with NBC News, Jeanette Manfra , the head of cybersecurity at the Department of Homeland Security, said she couldn't talk about classified information publicly, but in 2016, "We saw a targeting of 21 states and an exceptionally small number of them were actually successfully penetrated."

Ok first part of the claim blown to bits. 21 states targeted and only an exceptionally small number of them were actually successfully penetrated.  So no direct access in 20 states to voter data.

There is no evidence that any of the registration rolls were altered in any fashion, according to U.S. officials.

This isn't from any Trump officials- this is from Obama administration in 2016.  Of course they had their own agenda after Hillary lost.  If Hillary had won the whole Russian hacking would have been ghosted.  Couldn't have anyone questioning the legitimacy of the election.  Especially with Trump casting doubt on the results if he lost ahead of time.

NBC News reached out to the 21 states that were targeted. Five states, including Texas and California, said they were never attacked.

Manfra said she stands by the list, but also called it a "snapshot in time with the visibility that the department had at that time."

Following initial publication of this article, the National Association of Secretaries of State, which represents top electoral officials around the country, said it was “still only aware of one state voter registration system that was penetrated" during the 2016 election "and that office made a public statement at the time."

In 2016, the Illinois Board of Elections acknowledged that voter data had been breached. Hackers were inside the system for several weeks and were downloading data when they were caught, though they did not alter any files.

Wow so of the 21 states that were targeted; but only Illinois admits the Russians gained access; but again no information was changed. Or do you think NBC is too right wing to be trusted?

OK, how about the New York Times?

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/25/us/politics/hacking-russia-election-fears-barack-obama-donald-trump.html

The Obama administration said on Friday that despite Russian attempts to undermine the presidential election, it has concluded that the results “accurately reflect the will of the American people.”

The statement came as liberal opponents of Donald J. Trump, some citing fears of vote hacking, are seeking recounts in three states — Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania — where his margin of victory was extremely thin.

A drive by Jill Stein, the Green Party candidate, for recounts in those states had brought in more than $5 million by midday on Friday, her campaign said, and had increased its goal to $7 million. She filed for a recount in Wisconsin on Friday, about an hour before the deadline.

In its statement, the administration said, “The Kremlin probably expected that publicity surrounding the disclosures that followed the Russian government-directed compromises of emails from U.S. persons and institutions, including from U.S. political organizations, would raise questions about the integrity of the election process that could have undermined the legitimacy of the president-elect.”

That was a reference to the breach of the Democratic National Committee’s email system, and the leak of emails from figures like John D. Podesta, Hillary Clinton’s campaign chairman.

“Nevertheless, we stand behind our election results, which accurately reflect the will of the American people,” it added.

Ooops.  Unless the Obama administration isn't credible anymore. Maybe they were in the tank for Trump./S

Ok, how about you produce all of the disenfranchised voters that couldn't get their ballots cast?  With the Russian hacking out they would be cuing up to be heard.  So where the hell are they?  Of course the Russians would have had to guess which districts the races would be tight enough that dropping a few hundred voters (and they would all have to be ones voting for Hillary) would matter.  It shouldn't be hard to come up with the 100's of rejected voters in tight districts it would take.  Hint: The media already would have found them and exploited them if they existed.

Glad Trump derangement syndrome strong. It is making Putin's job of keeping this country divided and at each others throats much easier.

 
 
 
Ronin2
7.1.4  Ronin2  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @7.1.2    2 years ago
Indeed it could because the most likely perpetrator would be Putin and we have nearly half a nation in love with the murderous dictator and his white nationalist fascism. The South and all its bitter confederate descendants who have been biding their time would just love to attack our nation again. It's why they scream so loud when you try to take their assault rifles away, that's what they imagine they'll fight the government with. They are protectionist, xenophobic, homophobic, misogynist bigots who love Putin and Russia and don't give a crap about America or our ideals of freedom, justice and equality for all regardless of race, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, faith or lack thereof. They want to destroy America which is why they elected an arsonist into the oval office.

Don't know what to say if you truly believe that.  You had better prep for civil war then; because there will not be a country left. Do you really think if there is another civil war Russia, China, and our supposed allies will simply sit on the side lines? They will pick sides and watch gleefully as the US tears itself apart.

But with your rant against what you believe is 1/2 of the population Putin has already won. Congrats for making it so easy for him. 

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
7.1.5  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Ronin2 @7.1.4    2 years ago
what you believe is 1/2 of the population

I misspoke, just half of Republicans are in love with Putin. So that would be about a quarter of the country, not half.

"Nearly half of people who support Donald Trump consider Russia an ally or friend to the U.S., according to a new poll."

http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-supporters-russia-us-friend-poll-510728

 
 
 
Skrekk
7.2  Skrekk  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @7    2 years ago
Those persons should be ashamed and recognize that siding with the attackers in the 2016 election makes them no better than those who sided with the attackers on 9/11. They are traitors to this nation and enemies to western democracy.

Bingo.

 
 
 
Kathleen
8  Kathleen    2 years ago

I think about those poor people having to jump. How horrible that they had to choose the way to die at that moment. 

So heartbreaking.  : (

 
 
 
JohnRussell
9  JohnRussell    2 years ago

Donald Trump is psychologically unstable and unbalanced. Everything that is happening has to be evaluated in that context. 

There is no evidence at all that a majority of Americans have the fear of "foreigners" seen in this "article". 

Anti-immigration themes are presented by those who wish to keep America a "white" country. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
9.1  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  JohnRussell @9    2 years ago
There is no evidence at all that a majority of Americans have the fear of "foreigners" seen in this "article".

Juan Williams got booted from NPR for voicing his opinion on "Muslims" on an airplane he was on.

Yes....more people than you are told are worried about "Illegal Infiltrators" into this country.

if everything was so copacetic, as Liberals want others to believe....Trump wouldn't be President.

 
 
 
PJ
11  PJ    2 years ago

I was at work when I heard about the planes hitting the twin towers.  I remember standing at my office window on the 16th floor of my building when we learned that government buildings were being targeted.  shortly afterwards I saw a plane fly towards the pentagon.  Then I saw smoke billowing.  We were told to evacuate our gov't building.  

I remember being very calm, my actions were very methodical.  While I was driving home I heard another plane was on it's way towards Camp David close to where my sons went to school.  That is when I felt my panic rise.  The time seemed to be in slow motion as I was trying to get to them.  Rushing into the elementary school, it was chaos.  They didn't understand what was happening.

The country no longer has that sense of unity under the current Russian attack.  I find it very disturbing that so many don't care and would rather put our intelligence communities on trial and call them liars then to hold accountable those who are really responsible.  

 
 
 
MUVA
12  MUVA    2 years ago

I was in the reserves at the time the next month went active duty volunteered to go to Iraq to fight foreign fighters that we liked to call terrorist.

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
15  Colour Me Free    2 years ago

One thing that saddens me, is that my sons never got to grow up in a pre 9/11 United States .. my youngest son has never known an America that was not at war, or was not hunting Osama bin Laden..

9/11 changed things in ways that I am not sure have been felt as of yet … I will never forget the moment I turn on the TV .. then the phone rang, my mom was in tears, asking me if I had the TV on … it was 6:52 am - the first plane had hit the north tower 6 minutes earlier ...

My (not so) lil man will be heading to NYC on the 18th … never knowing what NYC or the world was like pre 9/11 - never knowing / perhaps never being able understand the innocence that was lost that day as a nation...

Peace....

 
 
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