Portland fears planned rightwing rally could be 'another Charlottesville'

  
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Portland fears planned rightwing rally could be 'another Charlottesville'

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Fears of violent protest are rising ahead of this weekend’s rally in Portland, Oregon, by the conservative group Patriot Prayer.

Almost a year on from the death of the activist Heather Heyer, as she protested a gathering of white nationalists in Virginia, some groups are warning the protest on Saturday risks turning into “another Charlottesville”.

And as a Trump-era wave of rightwing street protest continues, it is not clear that American cities, or police forces, are willing or able to prevent the violence that accompanies them, some experts and activists say.

Patriot Prayer was founded by the rightwing Senate candidate Joey Gibson and its stated beliefs are not neo-Nazi or white supremacist. Like the Proud Boys group, with whom Patriot Prayer’s membership often overlaps, Gibson’s positions are best described as conservative Republican, or Trumpian.

But his critics say his events have attracted white supremacist elements and have frequently brought serious violence to the streets of Portland, and other cities in the region.

Related: Who are the Proud Boys, 'western chauvinists' involved in political violence?

The last Patriot Prayer rally, held on 30 June, was declared a riot by Portland police after counter-protesters and rally-goers exchanged missiles, officers from the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) fired nonlethal rounds and the march through downtown Portland degenerated into ugly brawls.

Video from the event shows large groups of rightwing protesters kicking and punching lone, prone counter-protesters. One video, widely shared online by rightwingers, shows the Proud Boy Ethan Nordean flooring an anti-fascist assailant with a single punch.

As in previous rallies, Patriot Prayer claimed leftwing provocation.

In the weeks since that rally Gibson has promised that buses carrying attendees from Washington state to Portland for their “freedom march” will be manned with armed guards.

He has also warned that just as at previous Patriot Prayer rallies in the Pacific north-west, participants will be carrying firearms, saying “it’s not a big deal to have guns”, and “we’ve always had guns”.

A still from the Nordean video has been used by the Proud Boys on their official, verified Twitter account to encourage members to go to Saturday’s rally in Portland. The picture of Nordean flattening an anti-fascist is accompanied by the promise that the event has “more of everything you’re looking for”.

Violence, and the threat of violence, has long attended Gibson’s events, where clashes between anti-fascist and counter-protesters have been the norm.
A rally on 3 June also featured a series of running brawls. Rallies last June and August in the waterfront area – the planned venue this weekend – also led to an afternoon of punch-ups and mace attacks. A rally last September was followed by an alleged car attack on counter-protesters.

The violence has also moved beyond protests. On 8 June a Proud Boy closely associated with Gibson’s movement, Tusitala “Tiny” Toese, allegedly attacked a stranger in broad daylight on a Portland shopping strip. The previous month he allegedly attacked a teenager outside a Vancouver mall.

Despite this history, the city of Portland has said that there is nothing it can do to prevent the rally going ahead.

A spokesperson for Portland’s mayor Ted Wheeler pointed out that while the mayor has previously criticized Patriot Prayer’s events, “federal law and first amendment protections have consistently found that a jurisdiction cannot deny permits, based on free speech, and a protest cannot be preemptively banned based on the occurrences at a prior protest”.

But experts suggest that local authorities can do more to moderate the behavior of armed protesters.

Mary McCord, a professor and senior litigator at Georgetown University’s Institute for Constitutional Protection and Advocacy, recently authored a report which shows how local authorities can proactively respond to potentially violent protest.

“There are provisions under Oregon’s law that would allow authorities to prohibit paramilitary conduct,” McCord said, pointing to a statute defining “unlawful paramilitary activity”.

The first amendment protects speech, MccCord said, but not “violence, threats of violence, and incitement to violence”.
The second amendment protects the bearing of arms, but “it does not protect the coordinated use of arms”.

“You can carry a firearm for personal defence,” McCord says. “But you can’t gather together in groups of two or more and use firearms together in furtherance of a civil disorder.”

She added that organized use of weapons across state lines may break not only Oregon’s anti-paramilitary laws, but related federal statutes.

Portland’s police bureau and the Oregon US attorney would not comment specifically on the Oregon paramilitary statutes, but earlier confirmed that carriers of an Oregon concealed handgun license would be able to go armed down to the waterfront.

Ted Wheeler’s office, the Portland city attorney, and the Oregon’s US attorney did not respond to requests for comment.

Groups organizing Saturday’s counterprotests to Gibson’s rally, meanwhile, have evoked Charlottesville, and Heyer, in their own statements about the rally.

In a statement, Rose City Antifa, who have consistently organised counter-protests against Gibson, said: “We will continue to stand by our policy of no-platforming to prevent fascist and white supremacist from organizing in our community.”

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Colour Me Free
2  seeder  Colour Me Free    last year
Patriot Prayer was founded by the rightwing Senate candidate Joey Gibson and its stated beliefs are not neo-Nazi or white supremacist.

An interesting read:

Seattle 'Patriot Prayer' Rally Takes a Twist As Leader Gibson Denounces Supremacists

“Listen, what happened yesterday, if you believe in your heart that what happened yesterday is not what you stand for, if you are against what happened yesterday, do not ever let these people make you feel bad!” he told the rallygoers. “Because we weren’t there, and we had nothing to do with that! Patriot Prayer has always preached peace, and has always preached love, a hundred percent of the time!”

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“Fuck white supremacists! Fuck neo-Nazis!” Gibson told the crowd, reminding them that he himself is a person of color, “and I have no use for that kind of thinking. It’s wrong.”

https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2017/08/15/seattle-patriot-prayer-rally-takes-twist-leader-gibson-denounces-supremacists

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.1  XDm9mm  replied to  Colour Me Free @2    last year

Hi Colour....

It always amazes me how some believe confronting another violently is the means to accomplish changing their beliefs about something.

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
2.1.1  seeder  Colour Me Free  replied to  XDm9mm @2.1    last year

I was told during the Ferguson riots 'that sometimes to get ones voice heard, one has to turn up the volume' … thus violence is the answer?  Ends justify the means I suppose.

Look at modern day Berkeley once the leader in free speech - now a suppressor of it.  It is akin to mob rule.  

In no way do I support white nationalists / supremacists - but I do defend their right to assemble lawfully, now the loopholes are appearing in order to suppress their rights … Antifa seems to believe that they are the moral high ground, with baseball bats and masks (?) -  they could accomplish more by turning their backs on the marchers and remain silent... shouting them down does nothing but raise the volume - thus the violence begins...

Just my opinion XD ….  Hope you are doing well

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.1.2  XDm9mm  replied to  Colour Me Free @2.1.1    last year

What's very interesting is that the left insists that only the extremists on the right were armed at the Charlottesville incident.  

When I posted factual evidence, including photos disproving that, they claimed it was ok as they were there for protection only.

One really has to do some serious twisting to come to a convoluted answer like that, but they do.

 
 
 
Ender
2.2  Ender  replied to  Colour Me Free @2    last year

So this group is wanting and encouraging violence and you all jump on a group that wants to counter them. Typical.

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
2.2.1  seeder  Colour Me Free  replied to  Ender @2.2    last year

Typical?  you all?

Did not expect to read such sweeping generalizations from you..

Shall we discuss the suppression instead, the walking on others rights because 'you all' do not agree with them?

 
 
 
Ender
2.2.2  Ender  replied to  Colour Me Free @2.2.1    last year

HA, sorry. I get tired of what seems to be just a constant back and forth. There seems to be a constant us against them attitude with a lot of people in today's world.

This group is known to bring violence. What it sounds like they are planning is basically bringing their own armed police force. IMO they are looking for trouble.

I do not see any suppression as they are allowed to hold their rally. I do not see a counter protest as suppression, I see it as just that, a counter.

I actually have no idea what this group is supposed to stand for or what cause they are trying to promote. Their cause seems to be just wanting things done their way and the trump way.

They intentionally set their rally's in predominately Liberal areas, likely looking to cause as much trouble as possible.

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
2.2.3  seeder  Colour Me Free  replied to  Ender @2.2.2    last year
They intentionally set their rally's in predominately Liberal areas, likely looking to cause as much trouble as possible

This is why I try to make the point that 'counter' protesters should turn their backs (it would accomplish far more than trying to shout them down) and let those that are said to be looking for trouble not find it...  but that is not going to happen - because now Trump is President and supremacy is emboldened etc etc …. 

I understand some of what is happening, but I do not understand why after decades of white nationalist rally's there has to be such a clash now...

 
 
 
Ender
2.2.4  Ender  replied to  Colour Me Free @2.2.3    last year

True. It would be better to not give some the attention they crave. Which yes, both sides are guilty of.

I do think it would be better if some groups were just ignored. It would take some of the fire out of them.

Having said that, I can understand some not wanting what they deem divisive rhetoric in their own, so called, back yard.

Sort of a catch 22. Seem indifferent or complacent.

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
2.2.5  seeder  Colour Me Free  replied to  Ender @2.2.4    last year

Good points..

Having lived with the Aryan Brotherhood in my backyard for years .. I dug deep into knowing who they were, and what made them tick.  Intimidation was their goal, that way they were left alone in their compound.. yet they all knew their rights, and liked to make their presents know at the same time..

I guess I just fail to see why so much attention is being given them, supremacists have been obtaining permit to march for decades - I see the media coverage and the constant sky is falling thought process being expressed by so many as what is emboldening them .. white nationalist have always been out spoken .. the dislike of Trump created a narrative that gave supremacy a spotlight... in my opinion

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
2.2.6  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Colour Me Free @2.2.5    last year
the dislike of Trump created a narrative that gave supremacy a spotlight... in my opinion

The reluctance to reject white supremacists by Trump and the right wing conservatives is what gave white supremacy a spotlight. If Trump and Republicans had come out immediately and harshly condemned the white supremacists and those marching to preserve the confederate monuments chanting "Jews will not replace us!", then this would have disappeared. Instead they hemmed and hawed about it, said "Good people on both sides" and proclaimed the anti-fascists as the real threat instead of the actual Nazi's marching in the street waving swastikas. That is what gave the white supremacists not only a spotlight, but a ready defense making the Republican party a comfortable place for white supremacists to join and feel welcomed.

 
 
 
Kathleen
2.2.7  Kathleen  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @2.2.6    last year

The only thing that gave the white supremacists a platform is the constant hatred of Trump. I am not a Trump supporter, but I have never.... I mean never seen anything like this before. Personally, I never realized how badly some of these people are acting. Smearing the first lady, is a perfect example.  

Maybe you need to stop and take a look at yourselves.

 
 
 
Ender
2.2.8  Ender  replied to  Colour Me Free @2.2.5    last year

As far as trump and others, I just keep seeing the adage, any coverage (good or bad) is good coverage, as long as they are getting it.

I blame a lot of it on our 24/7 news cycle. We didn't have that back in the day. Now they can broadcast from anywhere, instantly. Instead of reporting on just what is happening, or has happened, some look for stories. If a dog took a shit on the Whitehouse lawn it would be headline news for two days.

 
 
 
MUVA
2.2.9  MUVA  replied to  Kathleen @2.2.7    last year

You are right for the most part the left and the media lost and can't stand it.The media started the racism crap and the useful idiots just picked up the narrative. 

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
2.2.10  seeder  Colour Me Free  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @2.2.6    last year
That is what gave the white supremacists not only a spotlight, but a ready defense making the Republican party a comfortable place for white supremacists to join and feel welcomed.

Okay, so this leads me to question … does condemning supremacy stop the racism?  Do harsh words and a good scolding send them packing or just send racism underground?  

I prefer the racism to be above ground, it is the only way it can be addressed.  To ignore racism and leave it lurking in the shadows only causes festering of the wounds racism leaves on our society .. yet it is always going to be here - and this country grants rights to its citizens like no other country in the world does.. one has to take the good with the bad … at this stage of the game supremacy is feeding off that which the counter protesters might do next - they are counting on counter protesters to stop them from marching and violating their rights ………………...  Tis a vicious circular cycle

 
 
 
Ender
2.2.11  Ender  replied to  Ender @2.2.8    last year

Ok, (sorry for a quick derail here) Right after I posted my comment this add was on the front page.

http://prntscr.com/kegxab

These algorithms freak me out.

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
2.2.12  seeder  Colour Me Free  replied to  Ender @2.2.8    last year

Agreed, 24/7 news is not helping the situation … yet during the Confederate flag removal, white nationalist, KKK .. neo -Nazis etc were protesting in the streets and no one heard about it is the news .. why do you suppose that is?  Could it be that Antifa was not organized at that time to counter protest …  

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
2.2.13  seeder  Colour Me Free  replied to  Ender @2.2.11    last year

Whoa .. what the heck?

 
 
 
bbl-1
2.2.14  bbl-1  replied to  Kathleen @2.2.7    last year

Smearing the First Lady?  For what?  When?

Or are you referring to the prior First lady?  You know, 'Moochie, Gorilla in Heels, Transgender, etc., etc?

 
 
 
Dulay
2.2.15  Dulay  replied to  Colour Me Free @2.2.3    last year
I understand some of what is happening, but I do not understand why after decades of white nationalist rally's there has to be such a clash now...

These kinds of clashes are nothing new. 

Here is a look at how the Jewish Defense League 'countered' the 77' KKK 'rally' in the town of Skokie, IL. 

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Colour Me Free
2.2.16  seeder  Colour Me Free  replied to  Dulay @2.2.15    last year

Fair enough .. yet the march never took place and Skokie was a town with a Jewish community that consisted of like 40 thousand people and a high number of Holocaust survivors - not exactly the same thing as a group of right wing individuals marching in liberal areas..

I just feel that by placing a spotlight on the white nationalist will not cause them to scatter like cockroaches .. but will gain strength, if the media keeps giving supremacy a broader audience for their message.

 
 
 
Dulay
2.2.17  Dulay  replied to  Colour Me Free @2.2.16    last year
Fair enough .. yet the march never took place

That's because they got their rally in Chicago. 

and Skokie was a town with a Jewish community that consisted of like 40 thousand people and a high number of Holocaust survivors - not exactly the same thing as a group of right wing individuals marching in liberal areas..

Actually, it was a town of 70 thousand with 40 thousand Holocaust survivors and their decedents. The LASTING effect of the NSPA litigation in Skokie can be seen today in places like Charlottesville, where they made a point of marching with torches past the Congregation Beth Israel synagogue, which the Charlottesville police refused to protect. 

https://www.newsweek.com/charlottesville-police-refused-protect-synagogue-nazis-so-it-hired-armed-651260

I just feel that by placing a spotlight on the white nationalist will no cause them to scatter like cockroaches .. but will gain strength, if the media keeps giving supremacy a broader audience for their message.

So is it your posit that the media and the people of Portland should just say and do NOTHING?

I refer to the Martin Niemöller for guidance on that.

'Prayer Patriots' and the 'Proud Boys' will be recording their own media and disseminating their own edited version of the events, just as Richard Spencer and David Duke did with their Charlottesville footage? Do you really think that having only THEIR version of the truth is the solution? 

My hope is that by exposing them to a 'broader audience' they will be revealed for what they are and that their agenda can be debated in the light of day.

Many 'protestors' from the Charlottesville 'torch march' and 'rally' have suffered consequences for their actions there and as more are identified, I hope that more will suffer the same. Without media coverage, that wouldn't have happened. 

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
2.2.18  seeder  Colour Me Free  replied to  Dulay @2.2.17    last year

I did not look up number of Jewish people, it was a number that stuck in my head from a clip of Skokie in an old documentary I recently watched... the word Nazi is bad enough for a survivor .. add marching in Nazi like uniforms ….. words cannot express

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I agree with keeping racism in the light .. completely agree with that ……….. your vision is more optimistic than my .. I do not see giving broader exposure to the supremacist as a way of stamping them out... providing a broader audience is giving them what they want

I have said it before, I do not understand the need for the conflict at this time -  seems to me that there is so much attention being focus on supremacy it is creating a feeding frenzy - and adding to the strength of the supremacy message .. this is how the weak get recruited, white nationalist numbers are low at this time .. do 'we' really desire to add to their numbers individuals that do not even know what they are fighting for - they are just hearing the message being sent...?

 
 
 
devangelical
2.2.19  devangelical  replied to  Kathleen @2.2.7    last year

Really? We're you asleep during the Obama presidency?

 
 
 
Skrekk
2.2.20  Skrekk  replied to  Colour Me Free @2.2.18    last year
I agree with keeping racism in the light .. completely agree with that ……….. your vision is more optimistic than my .. I do not see giving broader exposure to the supremacist as a way of stamping them out... providing a broader audience is giving them what they want

I don't think it's an easy question with an easy answer, but while violence and publicity are what these white supremacist really want I also think that the historical results are clear when there's a failure to confront and counter them.

My view on this has changed a lot from when I first started donating to the ACLU in 1977 to support the right of neo-Nazis to march in Skokie.

 
 
 
Drakkonis
2.2.21  Drakkonis  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @2.2.6    last year
The reluctance to reject white supremacists by Trump and the right wing conservatives is what gave white supremacy a spotlight.

I have to disagree. The left has been white supremacist's best friend in giving them a spotlight. 

I remember growing up. I live in an area that had a white supremacist problem. I remember occasionally seeing on the news a bunch of people doing some sort of "rally" in some city somewhere. A bunch of guys in bedsheets or neo-Nazi uniforms standing around or on some place's city hall steps. It seems most people were just walking by in the background, pretty much ignoring them. What I remember most is how stupid I thought I would feel if I had been out there with them. As if I had decided to walk around naked or something. But mostly I remember how little anyone seemed to pay attention. Even the news program offered it as a short segment of something unusual but nothing more. 

Through patience, and without all this Antifa crap, we eventually got rid of the problem. There were no violent counter protests. No big deal at all. We hardly gave them any attention at all except waiting for them to do something stupid and we could send them to prison. My guess, like a flower denied the water it needs to grow, they just eventually faded away because nobody cared about them or their beliefs. 

Not now. The left, reaching for any tool with which to attack President Trump, practically carried the white supremacists and neo-Nazi's down the red carpet to the spotlight they craved. They are gleefully giving the white supremacist and neo-Nazi everything their heart's desire. Attention, violence, division. Labeling anyone not for their leftist ideas as belonging to these groups. These white extremists don't have to do hardly anything. The left is eager to do it for them. If you aren't for the left, then by default, you're a white supremacist of some sort. 

And what amazes me most is those furthest on the left, like Antifa, become what they say they fight against. Fascists. 

 
 
 
Dulay
2.2.22  Dulay  replied to  Colour Me Free @2.2.18    last year
add marching in Nazi like uniforms ….. words cannot express

I agree, the litigation wasn't about their right to march, it was about their display of the Swastika in Skokie. The Nazis won in the courts [represented by the ACLU BTW]. 

providing a broader audience is giving them what they want

I agree that it is what they think they want but IMHO, the 'light of day' is their worst enemy, and yes, I AM optimistic that will prove to be true. 

do 'we' really desire to add to their numbers individuals that do not even know what they are fighting for - they are just hearing the message being sent...?

I think that confronting their agenda is the ONLY way to get those who 'do not even know what they are fighting for' to evaluate their participation and support for these groups. They rely, in no small way, on the concept of 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend' which allows them to display an outsized 'fan base'. Each one of these groups could never stand on their own, but because each agrees a base agenda, their combined 'voice' is amplified. 

There are many ways for those who don't want to 'hit the streets' to act. Picking them off, one by one, by showing them what the 'worst' of them are doing in their name, is the most passive way to oppose them. The death of Heather Heyer, some in the 'protest' group distanced themselves from group as a whole. They are more splintered today than they were before Charlottesville. Divide and conquer.

Ensuring consequences for those who participates in these 'rallies' has caused much teeth noshing by those who wanted to stay anonymous and certainly causes them to think twice before taking part in these 'marches' is also a 'passive' way to fight this scourge. 

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
2.2.23  seeder  Colour Me Free  replied to  Dulay @2.2.17    last year

I had to look the population numbers up of Skokie in 1977,,

Remembering the Nazis in Skokie At the time of the proposed march in 1977, Skokie, a northern Chicago suburb, had a population of about 70,000 persons, 40,000 of whom were Jewish. Approximately 5,000 of the Jewish residents were survivors of the Holocaust.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/geoffrey-r-stone/remembering-the-nazis-in_b_188739.html

I think the article is worth the time taken to read it .. I learned a few things..

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
2.2.24  seeder  Colour Me Free  replied to  Dulay @2.2.22    last year

All very good points - I will work on being more optimistic!

Ensuring consequences for those who participates in these 'rallies' has caused much teeth noshing by those who wanted to stay anonymous and certainly causes them to think twice before taking part in these 'marches' is also a 'passive' way to fight this scourge.

Having a website to out individuals is not really a 'passive' way to fight .. it is an extremely aggressive way of taking a persons life away from them.  Not saying I disagree with this action, just saying if that is the consequences you speak of .. 'passive' may be the wrong word... and this website could be used as a recruiting tool..

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
2.2.25  sandy-2021492  replied to  Colour Me Free @2.2.24    last year

I'd call it passive.  It's not actually doling out punishment.  But if their employers happen to find out that they hold views that are unsavory, and would probably offend their customers, and choose to replace them with employees who represent them better, well, that's life.  Maybe their families will be ashamed of them, and let them know it.

Their rights to protest aren't actively being denied, and government isn't actively punishing them.  They're just suffering the consequences of their ill-considered views.

If white supremacists are so proud of their race, why should they want to hide that pride?

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
2.2.26  seeder  Colour Me Free  replied to  sandy-2021492 @2.2.25    last year

In what way are supremacists hiding their pride, they are not marching the streets in white hoods, nor black masks - thus allowing the website to post pictures, release those picture to the public to hunt down an identity to said person .. just does not seem passive to me..

When it comes to trying to remain anonymous that would be the counter protesters in this case .. masked vigilante justice : )

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
2.2.27  sandy-2021492  replied to  Colour Me Free @2.2.26    last year

I'm not the one objecting to outing them ;)  If they're not wearing hoods, what's wrong with a website that shows their faces?  They're protesting in a public place, and are therefore fair game for pics.  They're proud, until there are consequences, like the "crying Nazi" guy.

 
 
 
Dulay
2.2.28  Dulay  replied to  Colour Me Free @2.2.24    last year
and this website could be used as a recruiting tool..

Or as a deterrent if wannabees see what happens to 'closet' white supremacists who think that they can just go back to their jobs on Monday without consequences for what they did on the weekend. Many of those that are being prosecuted for assault and weapons violations were identified though media visuals. 

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
2.2.29  seeder  Colour Me Free  replied to  sandy-2021492 @2.2.27    last year

I am not objecting to them being out'd .. here I will compromise .. exposing supremacists identities is a 'passive aggressive' act 

 
 
 
Skrekk
2.2.30  Skrekk  replied to  Colour Me Free @2.2.24    last year
Having a website to out individuals is not really a 'passive' way to fight .. it is an extremely aggressive way of taking a persons life away from them.

If these white supremacists don't want to be doxxed they can just stay home on StormFront.

Funny though.....you'd think these utter dimwits would be more proud of being the "superior race".    From what I can tell doxxing is one of the most effective ways of dealing with the problem.   Few employers today want to be associated with dumb bigots like these guys.

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exposing supremacists identities is a 'passive aggressive' act 

Is that what the NY Times was doing when they outed Trump's dad Fred as a likely KKK member due to his arrest at a similar rally?   Or were they performing a public service?

 
 
 
epistte
2.2.31  epistte  replied to  Colour Me Free @2.2.29    last year
here I will compromise .. exposing supremacists identities is a 'passive aggressive' act 

How is exposing them a passive-aggressive act?   If they are proud of their white race and aren't doing anything to be ashamed of, then why do they need to hide who they are?  They act like cockroaches that run from the light.

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
2.2.32  seeder  Colour Me Free  replied to  Dulay @2.2.28    last year

You have great optimism, do not think I ever noticed it before ...

Yet I have to disagree, I think that loss of a job can fuel a fire within the unemployed, underemployed that could strengthen the supremacy cause - one cannot speak of supremacy as if it is a normal thought process.  

 
 
 
Skrekk
2.2.33  Skrekk  replied to  Colour Me Free @2.2.32    last year
I think that loss of a job can fuel a fire within the unemployed, underemployed that could strengthen the supremacy cause

So the meth dealing isn't bringing in enough and now these bigoted wingnuts need to find a real job but no sane employer wants to hire a bigot?    Sad.

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
2.2.34  seeder  Colour Me Free  replied to  epistte @2.2.31    last year

Supremacists put their masks away .. don't know what to say about it, but most supremacists do not wear signs that expose their private lives .. just as most of us prefer to keep out private lives .. private.

There are many among us that we do not know who they are and what they do .. 'we' formulate an opinion of that individual based on what 'we' are shown by them.  Then comes the day their face is posted on the web as being a white supremacists...

 
 
 
Skrekk
2.2.35  Skrekk  replied to  Colour Me Free @2.2.34    last year
Supremacists put their masks away .. don't know what to say about it, but most supremacists do not wear signs that expose their private lives .. just as most of us prefer to keep out private lives .. private.

These same folks used to wear dunce caps when they marched at night.   Then during the day they'd go back to their day jobs as cops, judges and businessmen with a more respectable membership in the Council of Conservative Citizens.

 
 
 
epistte
2.2.36  epistte  replied to  Colour Me Free @2.2.34    last year
Supremacists put their masks away .. don't know what to say about it, but most supremacists do not wear signs that expose their private lives .. just as most of us prefer to keep out private lives .. private.

Then I would suggest that they stop espousing racist and fascist ideas if they don't want their private lives to be exposed.  People don't like fascists and racists. 

 
 
 
Dulay
2.2.37  Dulay  replied to  Colour Me Free @2.2.32    last year
You have great optimism, do not think I ever noticed it before ...

I'm no spring chicken and I have seen my country in great despair and divided before. 

I think that loss of a job can fuel a fire within the unemployed

I'm not thinking of the 'unemployed' but those who see the consequences and turn away from the 'movement'. Perhaps those who were previously arm chair 'supremacists' will have an epiphany motivated by unemployment. The most hard core may never be deterred. 

Guys like this have a good shot at making a difference:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/former-white-supremacists-help-others-leave-hate-groups/

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
2.2.38  seeder  Colour Me Free  replied to  epistte @2.2.36    last year
People don't like fascists and racists.

Is that why Antifa is cheered, because they fight the evil in the world, by acting like the evil in the world?

I bartended for long enough to know when the bump at the pool table is going to become more that just that bump .. I do not condone violence no matter who threw the first punch nor why they did it - I never chose a side, 'cept on the rare occasion that an individual chose to walk away .. but was attacked anyways.

Antifa and White supremacy seem to be becoming 2 peas in a pod arguing over which one is correct...

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
2.2.39  seeder  Colour Me Free  replied to  Dulay @2.2.37    last year

Good points again Dulay..

Thanks for the link .. I recently watched Dateline or 20/20. 48hours possibly 60 minutes on the after life of white supremacy - this man face was tattooed with supremacy symbols .. he now had a family and was getting his tats removed.

Which is why I brought up earlier the numbers that could be influenced and get involved and not know what they are fighting for - they are just being part of something .. that guys story really toughed me as the article you linked does as well 

 
 
 
Dulay
2.2.40  Dulay  replied to  Colour Me Free @2.2.38    last year
Antifa and White supremacy seem to be becoming 2 peas in a pod arguing over which one is correct...

Some see that as the false equivalency that it is. 

I am not so naïve to think that every member of Antifa is 'pure at heart' but they DO represent the 'right' side of this ideological issue. 

 
 
 
Dulay
2.2.41  Dulay  replied to  Colour Me Free @2.2.39    last year

Quite a few tattoo artists are doing covers for free now. There is also a group that helps with the cost of laser treatment for facial tattoos. It's a cathartic way of erasing hate and seeking redemption. 

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
2.2.42  seeder  Colour Me Free  replied to  Dulay @2.2.40    last year
Some see that as the false equivalency that it is. 

Agreed, it is … I used the terms 'seem to be' because their beliefs may be different, but their tactics to achieve the end results are the same .. allowed to collide there will be violence..

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
2.2.43  seeder  Colour Me Free  replied to  Dulay @2.2.41    last year

The program I watched did mention an organization that was assisting in having tats removed - just getting that kind of darkness off ones skin has to be a relief!!

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
2.2.44  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  Kathleen @2.2.7    last year
The only thing that gave the white supremacists a platform is the constant hatred of Trump. I am not a Trump supporter, but I have never.... I mean never seen anything like this before. Personally, I never realized how badly some of these people are acting. Smearing the first lady, is a perfect example.

Like none of this didn't happen under Obama? Pot, Kettle. 

Maybe you need to stop and take a look at yourselves.

You first.

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
2.2.45  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  MUVA @2.2.9    last year
You are right for the most part the left and the media lost and can't stand it.

Any of this ring a bell?

One term president, Kenyan, Muslim, Communist, Socialist, Dictator, Moocelle, Barry, Oblama and, the list goes on.

The media started the racism crap and the useful idiots just picked up the narrative. 

No, it goes back at least nine years.

https://video-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t42.3356-2/10000000_10216462866354173_741036674951151616_n.mp4/video-1533364815.mp4?_nc_cat=0&vabr=269237&oh=62b19c87f5652fb9ac3f2e5af584dc12&oe=5B66B3B0&dl=1

 
 
 
XDm9mm
3  XDm9mm    last year

This is a very interesting read.   I'll advise all to do so.   

You Can’t Fight Fascism With Fascism, Liberals

SOURCE: https://arcdigital.media/you-cant-fight-fascism-with-fascism-liberals-4a37a8dae56d

A comparison that can be made is that we have effectively defeated ISIS and have driven them from their base of operations in Syria.  HOWEVER, the ideology of ISIS still exists.   No man will never be able to eliminate the THOUGHT of another.   The best one can hope for is to change the thought or at least nullify it, NOT with violence but with other words and thoughts.   Violence will only serve to ensure the opposing side will gain more power by effectively making them martyrs and persecuted people.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
3.1  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  XDm9mm @3    last year
You Can’t Fight Fascism With Fascism, Liberals

This has certainly become the all-purpose rightwing meme to try to discredit any resistance to the extreme fascist behaviors and in doing so actually give aid and comfort (maybe unintentionally or maybe not) to those fascist, racist elements.  It's not like they are out there condemning them.  In fact, the official word from their Scumbag  is that some of them are really fine people (yes, those Nazis chanting "Jews Will Not Replace Us" are really some great guys when their not shouting anti-semitic threats).  

 
 
 
XDm9mm
3.1.1  XDm9mm  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @3.1    last year

Didn't bother reading the linked article?  ( Deleted )

 
 
 
Ender
3.1.2  Ender  replied to  XDm9mm @3.1.1    last year
The violence has also moved beyond protests. On 8 June a Proud Boy closely associated with Gibson’s movement, Tusitala “Tiny” Toese, allegedly attacked a stranger in broad daylight on a Portland shopping strip. The previous month he allegedly attacked a teenager outside a Vancouver mall.
 
 
 
XDm9mm
3.1.3  XDm9mm  replied to  Ender @3.1.2    last year
allegedly

Until proved in a court of law, it's simply hear say and inadmissible as evidence.  Try again.

 
 
 
Kathleen
3.1.4  Kathleen  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @3.1    last year

So I guess " burning down stores" are okay? I guess they are fine people.....

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
3.1.5  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  XDm9mm @3.1.1    last year
Didn't bother reading the linked article? 

The article doesn't support the allowing fascist, nazi, white supremacist shithead trumphumpers to pollute the air with their filthy chants and rhetoric to go unanswered which is what your headline is suggesting.  

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
3.1.6  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Kathleen @3.1.4    last year
So I guess " burning down stores" are okay?

So, you bewail that people misunderstand you and that you're really not a bad person (no one has ever said that, of course) but then you continually seem to want to focus on, yes, bad acts agains property, by protesters you don't like and remain fairly muted in your criticism of people who have advocated murder.   Intentionally or not, your tendency toward "whataboutism" belies what you say you believe. 

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
3.1.7  sandy-2021492  replied to  Kathleen @3.1.4    last year
So I guess " burning down stores" are okay? I guess they are fine people.....

I didn't see anybody say that.  Just as you don't like being accused of saying that which you did not say, don't imply that others have said that which they did not say.

 
 
 
Dulay
3.1.8  Dulay  replied to  sandy-2021492 @3.1.7    last year

Clapping

 
 
 
Dulay
3.1.9  Dulay  replied to  XDm9mm @3.1.1    last year
Didn't bother reading the linked article?

Your link it to this seed...

 
 
 
Skrekk
3.2  Skrekk  replied to  XDm9mm @3    last year

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Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
3.2.2  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to    last year
A clear message to shoot a firearm into a public assembly?

Well, that's the fascists' m.o.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
4  Sean Treacy    last year

Hopefully, antifa let's them march peacefully this time rather than attacking the marchers and police officers like they did last time. 

 
 
 
Skrekk
4.1  Skrekk  replied to  Sean Treacy @4    last year

Hopefully the cops will use live ammo rather than rubber bullets to respond to any violence by the white supremacists.

 
 
 
Texan1211
4.1.1  Texan1211  replied to  Skrekk @4.1    last year

I bet if everyone simply leaves them alone, there will be no violence.

But I don't see the Antifa folks doing it that way.

 
 
 
Skrekk
4.1.2  Skrekk  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.1    last year
I bet if everyone simply leaves them alone, there will be no violence.

If past is prelude the white supremacists will be the first to use violence like they did in Charlottesville the night before their rally.    Hopefully they'll be stopped or killed before they commit another act of terrorism.    I also doubt that the Portland PD will be as patient with these terrorists as the Charlottesville PD was, particularly since the result of that patience was the death of two LEOs who were searching for the white supremacist who had murdered a civil rights activist and seriously injured 19 others.

 
 
 
Texan1211
4.1.3  Texan1211  replied to  Skrekk @4.1.2    last year

So leave them alone during their little protest. no one gets hurt.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
4.1.4  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.1    last year
I bet if everyone simply leaves them alone, there will be no violence.

That's what many Germans thought would happen in the early 1930s.  These people interpret silence as permission. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
4.1.5  Texan1211  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.3    last year

I am sure you have lots of personal insight into what Germans in the 1930's thought.

 
 
 
lennylynx
4.1.6  lennylynx  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.5    last year

We all have good insight into how they thought, and how Hitler came into power.  It's part of history.

 
 
 
Skrekk
4.1.7  Skrekk  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.3    last year
So leave them alone during their little protest. no one gets hurt.

LOL.   The white supremacists in Charlottesville started threatening and beating people the night before the rally, then they killed people and beat many more people during the rally.    And only a few weeks back there were white supremacists rioting and beating folks in Portland.  So the best move would be for Portland to employ the Castle Doctrine against these right wing creeps.

 
 
 
Kathleen
5  Kathleen    last year

You may not agree with what someone stands for. The problem is, you think it's okay to cause violence because you do not like the protesters.

Does that make sense?

When I say (you)  I don't mean you colour. : )

The counter protesters have been even more violent then the people protesting at times. 

I may hate what they stand for, but they do have the right to a peaceful protest whether you like it or not.  If you decide to cause any violence, then you are the one to blame.

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
5.1  seeder  Colour Me Free  replied to  Kathleen @5    last year

That is the point I have been trying to make .. let them march .. do not panic, remain calm and ignore those rally goers that appear only be there to get the goats of Antifa - Oregon has a large Antifa organization...

 
 
 
MUVA
5.1.1  MUVA  replied to  Colour Me Free @5.1    last year

The left can't let you march if you don't agree with them. I'm old enough to remember when the KKK marched in the south and nobody came but the 200 or so morons and the press no violence just Idiot racist making fools of themselves. 

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
5.1.2  seeder  Colour Me Free  replied to  MUVA @5.1.1    last year

This is what I keep calling for - ignore the idiots in the street!  It is the only way to ruin their day .. no press coverage .. nothing just marchers in the street having people turn their backs on them, without saying a word

 
 
 
bbl-1
5.2  bbl-1  replied to  Kathleen @5    last year

Yeah.  The Nazis also had a right to march.  Their marches ended up in Dachau, Bergen Beslan, Auschwitz. 

"Freedom is another word for nothing left to lose."  J. Joplin.

 
 
 
Texan1211
5.2.1  Texan1211  replied to  bbl-1 @5.2    last year

I bet if everyone just left them alone, there would be no incidents.

 
 
 
epistte
5.2.2  epistte  replied to  Texan1211 @5.2.1    last year
I bet if everyone just left them alone, there would be no incidents.

That's known as appeasement. It doesn't work because Nazis aren't polite friendly people. 

 
 
 
lib50
5.2.3  lib50  replied to  Texan1211 @5.2.1    last year
I bet if everyone just left them alone, there would be no incidents.

That might have been the case in the past, today, however, with Trump making racism great again,  it has come out into the open and people are getting brazen in their biases and racism.  Some of us don't think it should go unchecked.

 
 
 
Texan1211
5.2.4  Texan1211  replied to  lib50 @5.2.3    last year

Do you think they will drag someone out of their car or home or business?

 
 
 
MUVA
5.2.5  MUVA  replied to  Texan1211 @5.2.4    last year

Yes they are another election loss from starting a civil war and then losing it in a day maybe two tops.

 
 
 
Texan1211
5.2.6  Texan1211  replied to  epistte @5.2.2    last year

You must learn the difference between what you think appeasement is and simply ignoring someone.

 
 
 
Texan1211
5.2.7  Texan1211  replied to  MUVA @5.2.5    last year

"Then losing it"??

Hell, that ship sailed in November of 2016!

Who else would hold a "Scream at the Sky Day"??

Or cry because their candidate lost?

LMAO!

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
5.2.8  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Texan1211 @5.2.4    last year
Do you think they will drag someone out of their car or home or business?

No. We know they murder with a car or shoot at them:

170812charlottesvillecarcrashgraphicew413p_fb83f513fd30e7adbb65d5ec29eb8e8c.fit760w.jpg

 
 
 
Tessylo
5.2.9  Tessylo  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @5.2.8    last year

Who's the inbred scumbag in the second photo? Very familiar.  Has he gone on trial yet?  I think the scumlappingshitbag is from Maryland 

 
 
 
KDMichigan
5.2.10  KDMichigan  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @5.2.8    last year

 
 
 
MrFrost
5.2.11  MrFrost  replied to  Texan1211 @5.2.4    last year
Do you think they will drag someone out of their car or home or business?

No, they stay in their cars and run over innocent people. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
5.2.12  Texan1211  replied to  MrFrost @5.2.11    last year

Wow. You amaze me.

 
 
 
MrFrost
5.2.13  MrFrost  replied to  Texan1211 @5.2.12    last year
Wow. You amaze me.

I know. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
5.2.14  Texan1211  replied to  MrFrost @5.2.13    last year

Maybe one day I'll explain why.

 
 
 
MrFrost
5.2.15  MrFrost  replied to  Texan1211 @5.2.14    last year
Maybe one day I'll explain why.

I won't have it, do tell. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
5.2.16  Texan1211  replied to  MrFrost @5.2.15    last year

Not quite yet.

It is something you have to earn.

 
 
 
Dulay
5.2.17  Dulay  replied to  MrFrost @5.2.15    last year

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Texan1211
5.2.18  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @5.2.17    last year

deleted

 
 
 
Dulay
5.2.19  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @5.2.18    last year

deleted

 
 
 
lennylynx
5.2.20  lennylynx  replied to  Dulay @5.2.19    last year
"Ditto"

Happy   You've just been zinged Tex!

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
5.2.21  seeder  Colour Me Free  replied to  Dulay @5.2.17    last year

I have been gone prepping and cooking dinner … seems the spirit of the thread has gone down hill ..

I learned some things about you through this seed .. thanks for the conversation and civility for the past couple days .. I just do not want to see you and Texan go at it here..

Goes for you as well Texan...

I should have killed this thread last night..

Peace everyone...

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
5.2.22  seeder  Colour Me Free  replied to  Dulay @5.2.17    last year

P.s.. that was my flag for a moderator review .. it makes me tense when I read insult towards a poster being directed to another poster - it seems I spaced out it was my seed ..

Just putting it out there so you know..

 
 
 
Dulay
5.3  Dulay  replied to  Kathleen @5    last year
The counter protesters have been even more violent then the people protesting at times. 

What times specifically? Were any of the people charged with shooting at people in Charlottesville from Antifa? How about the guy used his car as a weapon? 

It wasn't the 'protestors' who protected the clergy from violence @ Charlottesville, it was the counter protestors. 

I can't tell you how many times I have read that the Jews should have stood up against the Nazi's and fought back. Now when some people are doing just that, those same people call them thugs. 

 
 
 
Kathleen
5.3.1  Kathleen  replied to  Dulay @5.3    last year

People get fired up and angry and then it explodes.

Everyone has the "right" ( which you guys cry about all the time) to protest. You may hate them, but they and we have the right to protest. Just like freedom of speech, we as Anericans have the right.

I do not support these kinds of groups, but I do support the right to free speech. You take that away and we are all in trouble.

See my point?

Oh.... That's right, I am not in your party, never mind then.

 
 
 
Skrekk
5.3.2  Skrekk  replied to  Kathleen @5.3.1    last year

Kathleen, I think that's the first time I've seen you actually defend the white supremacist terrorists who attacked and beat numerous people, and murdered a woman and seriously injured 19 others.    Don't forget that two cops also died that day when they were searching for that murderous terrorist.

"Jews will not replace us!"

 
 
 
Texan1211
5.3.3  Texan1211  replied to  Skrekk @5.3.2    last year

She did nothing of the sort. WTF are you reading????

Can you just not simply rebut her argument without inventing shit?

 
 
 
Kathleen
5.3.4  Kathleen  replied to  Skrekk @5.3.2    last year

Skrekk,  

There is no way I would support a hate group like that. That is not me.

The best thing to do, without anyone getting hurt, it to ignore them when they are marching. By law, they have the right to march, but I hate what they stand for.

 
 
 
lennylynx
5.3.5  lennylynx  replied to  Kathleen @5.3.4    last year

I disagree, Nazis and White Supremacists need to be pushed back against, HARD.

 
 
 
Texan1211
5.3.6  Texan1211  replied to  lennylynx @5.3.5    last year

Are you advocating violence?

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
5.3.7  seeder  Colour Me Free  replied to  lennylynx @5.3.5    last year

To what avail, when it is conflict they appear to be seeking?

 
 
 
lennylynx
5.3.8  lennylynx  replied to  Texan1211 @5.3.6    last year

Are you defending it?  Which side did the killing in Charlottesville?

 
 
 
Kathleen
5.3.9  Kathleen  replied to  lennylynx @5.3.5    last year

Then it will turn into a fight. People will get hurt or killed. Let the police take care of it.

 
 
 
Texan1211
5.3.10  Texan1211  replied to  lennylynx @5.3.8    last year

No where have I defended violence from anyone.

I have consistently said to let them be. Stop giving nutjobs the attention they crave.

Now, you relate how THAT is supporting them.

 
 
 
Texan1211
5.3.11  Texan1211  replied to  Colour Me Free @5.3.7    last year

I think he wants nothing more than a full-scale riot with lots of injuries and /or deaths.

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
5.3.12  seeder  Colour Me Free  replied to  Texan1211 @5.3.11    last year

Nah Texan .. I do not believe that, but it is a bit of a word scramble when it comes down to the narrative of who the perpetrator of the violence is/was .. as long as the supremacists throw the first punch .. the violence from the counter protestors can be justified?  those injured and potential killed will be the fault of the supremacists.  Which the death in Charlottesville was a supremacist, but it does not mean there cannot be a death at the hands of a counter protester, this go round...

I done beat my horse to death .. but I will say it one more time for old times sake .. the best counter protest is an empty street!

 
 
 
Texan1211
5.3.13  Texan1211  replied to  Colour Me Free @5.3.12    last year

I agree. Leave them alone, don't have it on the news, don't give them any publicity.

I wish the media and some folks would realize that these lunatics are a very small fringe group.

 
 
 
Dulay
5.3.14  Dulay  replied to  Kathleen @5.3.1    last year
People get fired up and angry and then it explodes.

Is your posit that we should all acquiesce? 

Pacifism has never worked against white supremacists of any strip, and it never will. 

You may hate them, but they and we have the right to protest. Just like freedom of speech, we as Anericans have the right.

There is NO right to protest unopposed. Ditto for speech. 

You take that away and we are all in trouble.

Why pretend that the only way for them to practice their right to free speech and protest is for those who oppose them to be silent and absent? 

No one is trying to 'take that away', they are practicing their own equal right. Why do you support one 'sides' right and decry the other 'sides' equally valid right? 

Oh.... That's right, I am not in your party, never mind then.

Kathleen, I presume that you enter this discussion in Good Faith. I would appreciate it if you give me the same consideration.  If that is impossible for you, you can choose to refrain from replying to my comments. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
5.3.16  Tessylo  replied to  Skrekk @5.3.2    last year

applauseapplauseapplause

 
 
 
devangelical
5.3.17  devangelical  replied to  Texan1211 @5.3.6    last year

It's the only proven method of effectively dealing with them. Nazis - WWII. White supremacists- The Civil War.

 
 
 
Kathleen
5.3.18  Kathleen  replied to  Dulay @5.3.14    last year

Same here. If you cannot be civil with me and keep assuming things that I have not said, or meant in anyway, you can stop replying to my posts as well. I think it's utterly unfair of you to think that I would stand by a hate group. I was only talking about people protesting because they are allowed to. That is all. Where you have came up with all this stuff if beyond me.

Frankly speaking, I am sick and tired of being accused of things I have not said or meant.

 
 
 
Dulay
5.3.19  Dulay  replied to  Kathleen @5.3.9    last year
Let the police take care of it.

The police failed MISERABLY in Charlottesville and they haven't done a 'bang up' job in Portland either. 

Why is a candidate for Senate from WASHINGTON bussing an army into OREGON and holding his 10th 'freedom march' in the last year if not to gain support and insight violence [check out their recruiting video]?

BTW, the 'Prayer Patriots' and their minions are going into a 'liberal bastion' whose LEOs, funded by those very 'liberals' will be REQUIRED to 'protect' them. They love the irony...

 
 
 
Dulay
5.3.20  Dulay  replied to  Kathleen @5.3.18    last year
Same here. If you cannot be civil with me and keep assuming things that I have not said, or meant in anyway, you can stop replying to my posts as well. I think it's utterly unfair of you to think that I would stand by a hate group. I was only talking about people protesting because they are allowed to. That is all. Where you have came up with all this stuff if beyond me. Frankly speaking, I am sick and tired of being accused of things I have not said or meant.

Exactly WHERE did I assume ANYTHING about you or state that I think you stand with a hate group Kathleen? Please copy and paste a quote from MY comment to you that brought you to that conclusion.

I presume when you CANNOT do so, you will apologize for accusing ME of things I have not said. 

Or should I presume, as you did, that because we are not 'in the same party', that you won't treat me in the way you wish to be treated? 

 
 
 
Kathleen
5.3.21  Kathleen  replied to  Texan1211 @5.3.10    last year

Agreed, do not throw fuel on the fire.

 
 
 
Kathleen
5.3.22  Kathleen  replied to  Dulay @5.3.19    last year

Dulay,

If they were marching down your street, what would you do?

 
 
 
Dulay
5.3.23  Dulay  replied to  Kathleen @5.3.22    last year

Kathleen, I have asked you multiple questions in three separate posts. You have ignored them all.

I have no motivation at this point to treat your questions with any more respect than you have treated mine.

You decry being accused of saying things you didn't say while accusing ME of saying things I didn't say. In short, you eviscerate the 'golden rule'. 

There is a solution for anyone who believes that their comments are being taken 'the wrong way'. It's called a 'clarification' or a 'declarative statement', i.e. explain what you meant.

I have been nothing but civil to you. Though you pretend to want to participate in a discussion, you balk at being questioned about your positions or asked to support your statements and falsely accuse those who comment with anything but a thumbs up of being abusive toward you.

When confronted about your false allegations against me, instead of apologizing to ME, you go to the seeder and claim to be the misunderstood victim and then later, apologize 'if' you may have 'offended anyone'. The kind of none apology-apology that we all know is meaningless every time we hear it.

Then you step in the next day and pretend that the previous exchange never happened.

This, after not so long ago you spent days complaining to everyone who would listed about how another member had spoken to you. 

IMHO, your comments to me in this thread show an epic lack of Good Faith and an utter lack of taking responsibility for the content of one's own comments. 

Flag away. 

 
 
 
Kathleen
5.3.24  Kathleen  replied to  Dulay @5.3.23    last year

Dulay, 

I do apologize if I offended you. I believe I got heated up about a few things on this thread. Sometimes that happens, If you feel that you would not like to interact with my comnents, I will understand. 

Best wishes to you.

 
 
 
Dulay
5.3.25  Dulay  replied to  Kathleen @5.3.24    last year
I do apologize if I offended you.

Your intention was to offend, so let's not pretend that there is a question of 'if'.

Your comment offended the truth, it intentionally insulted me. 

I believe I got heated up about a few things on this thread. Sometimes that happens,

Judging from your plethora of comments decrying how other members have treated you, some right here in this seed, I don't believe that you would accept an 'excuse' about getting 'heated' from anyone who intentionally insulted you.

If you feel that you would not like to interact with my comnents, I will understand. 

Actually, I don't think that you DO understand, though I sincerely wish that you did. 

I say this with all due respect. Stop clutching your pearls, put you big girls panties on and dive in. I think that you COULD add a center right POV here but your tendency to take umbrage at even benign questions isn't conducive to mature discussion. We need more strong women, on this site [from BOTH sides], who can express their opinions and stand up for their beliefs.

 
 
 
Kathleen
5.3.26  Kathleen  replied to  Dulay @5.3.25    last year

I always stand by my views. I have not changed anything with my opinions on the subjects that are discussed here. I have never backed down with that. You seemed very upset that I had a difference of opinion on how to handle this situation. Well, everyone is different. So that is life. I am not the type that thinks you should escalate a bad situation to begin with. I don't like throwing fuel on the fire. I felt it was not best to give them the attention that they want. That is all that I was trying to say. 

Now, if someone would come up to me and start something, I would not take that. (I would never take any crap off of anyone) Some people find it a sign of weakness when you apologize to someone. I call it strength when you admit you made a mistake. If you do not think my apology is sincere, that is not my problem. I took a step to try to be civil with you.

BTW, I am a strong women, if I felt I said something in the wrong, I will admit it. If I didn't, that is not my problem. 

 
 
 
lennylynx
5.3.27  lennylynx  replied to  Kathleen @5.3.26    last year

It's ok to change your opinion on certain things after discussing them.  This isn't a bad thing, it's kind of the whole point of discussion in my opinion, to change people's views on things.

 
 
 
Kathleen
5.3.28  Kathleen  replied to  lennylynx @5.3.27    last year

It depends on the opinion of course, I have, but if I truly believe in something, I stand by it. I never realized that an apology can be a sign of weakness to some. I will have to remember that.

 
 
 
Dulay
5.3.29  Dulay  replied to  Kathleen @5.3.26    last year
You seemed very upset that I had a difference of opinion on how to handle this situation.

Really Kathleen? What EXACTLY in my 5.3.14 reply lead you to believe that is was 'upset' about you 'opinion'? Please copy and paste it for review. 

I took a step to try to be civil with you.

You took a step to try to misrepresent the content of my comment. There is nothing 'civil' about that.

I asked you relevant questions about your post. Instead of answering my questions, or just ignoring them in total, you lashed out at me PERSONNALLY. It seems to be part of your MO. 

I call it strength when you admit you made a mistake. 

Yet you haven't admitted that you made a mistake, have you Kathleen? 

If you do not think my apology is sincere, that is not my problem.

As I said, I don't believe that you would accept equivocation, in fact you say as much:

Now, if someone would come up to me and start something, I would not take that. (I would never take any crap off of anyone)

I see NO REASON why you would expect me to do so, even if that 'someone' is you.

BTW, I am a strong women, if I felt I said something in the wrong, I will admit it. If I didn't, that is not my problem.

Yet you haven't admitted that your allegations against me were wrong, have you Kathleen? 

I am merely attempting, in vain it seems, to hold you to the same standards that you have demanded of other members here many times. If you are incapable of meeting your own standards, perhaps it will cause you pause before you make those demands of others in the future. 

 

 
 
 
Kathleen
5.3.30  Kathleen  replied to  Dulay @5.3.29    last year

Okay, now you pushed it.

I will only go so far, I will not ️kiss anyones ass.

I never reply to your posts, YOU reply to mine. I only reply to your replies. We do not see eye to eye, so I never bother.

I cannot tell you not to reply to me, but I would very much appreciate it if you would not engage with me anymore. We are through.

Please respect my wishes.

 
 
 
Dulay
5.3.31  Dulay  replied to  Kathleen @5.3.28    last year
I never realized that an apology can be a sign of weakness to some.

A true apology is not weakness in any way, in fact, it is a sign of strength.

A statement that includes the equivocation 'if' is not a true apology, especially when one knows that the one 'apologizing' had the intent to insult. 

I will have to remember that.

I really could not care less whether some view an apology as a sign of weakness. It would never effect whether I apologize for a mistake or a comment that harmed.

I have apologized here multiple times. "My bad' goes a long way here, especially when accompanied by an explanation of what I got wrong. 

So if you're going to remember something, at least admit it's based on your own POV.

 
 
 
Dulay
5.3.32  Dulay  replied to  Kathleen @5.3.30    last year
Okay, now you pushed it.
I will only go so far, I will not ️kiss anyones ass.

No one asked you to do anything of the kind. I merely asked you to meet your own standards. 

Please respect my wishes.

I will respect your 'wishes' to the degree that you have respected mine. 

 
 
 
Phoenyx13
5.3.33  Phoenyx13  replied to  Kathleen @5.3.26    last year
I am not the type that thinks you should escalate a bad situation to begin with. I don't like throwing fuel on the fire. I felt it was not best to give them the attention that they want. That is all that I was trying to say.

i don't mean to interrupt anything or interfere, but this struck me as odd. I think you have a good viewpoint but here's what struck me as odd:

Now, if someone would come up to me and start something, I would not take that. (I would never take any crap off of anyone) 

so if it were you personally - of course you'd fight back but you expect everyone else to just ignore it if it happens to them personally ? I'm not stating that what's you are saying, but i'm questioning it. I would think with your earlier statement that if someone started something with you - then, by your own words, you would just ignore them, not escalate a bad situation and not throw fuel on the fire, correct ? is this a "do as i say, not as i do" situation ? Keep in mind, i'm not defending anyone nor any group nor anything, i'm just looking for clarification.

 
 
 
Skrekk
5.3.34  Skrekk  replied to  Kathleen @5.3.30    last year
I will only go so far, I will not ️kiss anyones ass.

I've got my limits too but ass kissing isn't one of them.    My problem is that I can never remember the safe word.

 
 
 
Dulay
5.3.35  Dulay  replied to  Skrekk @5.3.34    last year
My problem is that I can never remember the safe word.

I think if one needs a safe word when giving a good ass kissing, one may be doing it wrong...

 
 
 
Kathleen
5.3.36  Kathleen  replied to  Phoenyx13 @5.3.33    last year

Hi, 

If someone attacked me physically, I would have to defend myself. If it's words, I would try up make peace, if not then move on.

I would not make peace with the people marching in this artical, I would just act like they don't exist

Hope that helps

 
 
 
Kathleen
5.3.37  Kathleen  replied to  Phoenyx13 @5.3.33    last year

Hi, 

If someone attacked me physically, I would have to defend myself. If it's words, I would try up make peace, if not then move on.

I would not make peace with the people marching in this artical, I would just act like they don't exist

Hope that helps

 
 
 
Kathleen
5.3.38  Kathleen  replied to  Skrekk @5.3.34    last year

I am on vacation, so I think I better chill now and have some fun. 

This was a really good subject though. Believe it or not, I must enjoy this or I wouldn't be here I guess...

 
 
 
Jack_TX
5.3.39  Jack_TX  replied to  Kathleen @5.3.4    last year
There is no way I would support a hate group like that. That is not me.

Of course not.  The suggestion is idiotic. 

But when a stance is based wholly on emotion, that's what people resort to.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
5.3.40  Jack_TX  replied to  lennylynx @5.3.5    last year
I disagree, Nazis and White Supremacists need to be pushed back against, HARD.

As reprehensible as they are, the Constitution still protects their rights.

 
 
 
Phoenyx13
5.3.41  Phoenyx13  replied to  Kathleen @5.3.36    last year
Hi, 

If someone attacked me physically, I would have to defend myself. If it's words, I would try up make peace, if not then move on.

I would not make peace with the people marching in this artical, I would just act like they don't exist

Hope that helps

ok thank you, that does explain it better :)

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
5.4  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Kathleen @5    last year
The problem is, you think it's okay to cause violence because you do not like the protesters.

No, the problem is that 'some people' want to pretend that these skinheads, thugs and fascists aren't the violent and try to give them a pass.

Portland Police Declare a Riot After Right-Wing Marchers Begin Beating Antifascists with Flag Poles

 
 
 
Texan1211
5.4.1  Texan1211  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @5.4    last year

No one I know of is "giving them a pass".

What some of us are doing is saying that the more attention you give those thugs, the more they will keep doing what got them the attention in the first place.

And with the known discord between the two groups, I wish the group that got their permit first would be granted their little march.

The Antifa  group can hold a rally next week. 

Why try to incite violence?

It serves no one and no purpose.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
5.4.2  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Texan1211 @5.4.1    last year
What some of us are doing is saying that the more attention you give those thugs, the more they will keep doing what got them the attention in the first place.

And I'm telling you that these thugs will take silence as permission.  That's how it worked in 1930s Germany.  I happen to disagree with the tactics antifa is using because they do discourage a larger turnout of people repelled by these fascists but I do understand the outrage at seeing these scum acting like they own the country.  Pretending they don't exist is not a viable strategy either. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
5.4.3  Texan1211  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @5.4.2    last year

To each their own.

I prefer not to go all Chicken Little over a small, ragtag bunch of misfits and further embolden them by giving them the time of day.

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
5.4.4  seeder  Colour Me Free  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @5.4.2    last year
And I'm telling you that these thugs will take silence as permission. 

I am curious .. since Gibson continually targets Portland and it is so stressful that there is talk of 'limiting free speech in areas of stark political division' ..  if NO one had turned out to heckle his lil march, or had turned their backs in silence yesterday, could it be possible, that he would not return next year? ………… limiting free speech in areas across America, because of political disagreement fuels individuals like Gibson's message - what Gibson does in Portland is play a game and he seemingly wins every year - police could not take non emergency calls yesterday because they played babysitter...

I heard a counter protester questioning officers about why they were only on this side of the street - I am confident she was not the only one to ask.. … 

Silence does not give modern day supremacist permission, it is the anger from the opposition that they crave - their day is ruined if there is no protest .. it is important to learn about the enemy and choose one battles wisely .. I do not think it is possible to stamp out racist ideology by getting down and rolling in the same mud...

That's all I have .. have a Happy Sunday Atheist!

 
 
 
Motherlessgoat
5.4.5  Motherlessgoat  replied to  Texan1211 @5.4.3    last year

I am a Jew - White Supremacists hate me.

I am a woman - the patriarchy of White Supremacy wishes to control and marginalize me.

My daughter is gay - got it easy, they just want her dead.

Every year on January 27th, Yom HaShoah, Holocaust Remembrance Day, my family mourns the loss of loved ones, Great Aunt Miriam, cousins Adelaide and Sarah, interred at Bergen-Belsen and, though there’s no documentation, thought to be tossed in a mass grave.

To all who shout hatred, seek to ‘other’ fellow human beings, and most especially those who allow it to happen through complacency and blind eye turned, I say this -

NEVER AGAIN!

 
 
 
Texan1211
5.4.6  Texan1211  replied to  Motherlessgoat @5.4.5    last year

And I don't know anyone personally who advocates to forget anything to do with the Holocaust.

I do find it rather odd that so many can't see that elevating these nutjobs by giving them the time of day is exactly what they want you to do.

 
 
 
Motherlessgoat
5.4.7  Motherlessgoat  replied to  Texan1211 @5.4.6    last year

I liken (no pun intended) it to mold. Just a little bit there in the corner, no big deal. Get at it later, so many other things to worry about, not going to bother me.

But, turn around a day, week, month and the mold has grown, and grown beyond that one corner so now to eradicate the nasty your work is doubled, tripled even, and all the hindsight wishes and I Didn’t Know platitudes can help you.

Mold, like hate, grows rampant when unchecked, and both can be deadly.

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
5.4.8  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @5.4.2    last year
acting like they own the country.

we do.

we told you we would take the country back. we did. and we will keep it. 

but have no fear,

you are only getting the same treatment we received under obama... we lived thru it... so will you.

enjoy Thumbs Up 2

 
 
 
Tessylo
5.4.9  Tessylo  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @5.4.8    last year

We?  You own this country?  You're hilarious.

 
 
 
epistte
5.4.10  epistte  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @5.4.8    last year
you are only getting the same treatment we received under obama..

What traumatic mistreatment were you forced to suffer through under Messiah and King Obamao of Kenya?

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
5.4.11  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  epistte @5.4.10    last year

you know the feeling you get when trump attacks the things you support? 

enjoy that for 6 more years and then we can talk.

we lived thru the fundamental change of america...  you will also.

the only real difference is obama fundamental change got trashed with no comeback on the schedule for progressive bs.

while trump fundamental change will last much longer than that.

cheers:)

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
5.4.12  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  Tessylo @5.4.9    last year
We?

yes we... and we are keeping it.

of course, it is still your country also.  but as for your party? not driving the bus anymore.  the license has been revoked.

democrats = irrelevance be thy name.

trump represents everyone but representing everyone's ideology at the same time?  impossible

and would be stupid to even try.

elections have consequences and now you get to pay your dues. 

 we did 8yrs under obama and you will live thru 8yrs under trump. (you have no other choice)

  • I promise.

cheers  :)

 
 
 
Tessylo
5.4.13  Tessylo  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @5.4.12    last year
'and you will live thru 8yrs under trump. (you have no other choice)'

We'll see what happens . . . . . . 

Again, 'you'

laughing dude

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
5.4.14  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  Tessylo @5.4.13    last year
We'll see what happens

russia russia russia they hacked our elections. yadda yadda yadda.

has given trump a valid reason to muck about "securing" voting machines...

think about that for a bit  chuckle

will you be wanting paper ballots again, now or later?

me? id take paper over plastic any day of the week better for the environment and our political system :)

on a side note... funny how the liberals made us switch from paper to plastic at grocery stores and now they are banning plastic straws in favor of paper straws...  this world cracks me up :)

but anyway... is the left ready to switch back to paper ballots yet or do yall still need a couple more trump years?

 
 
 
Tessylo
5.4.15  Tessylo  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @5.4.14    last year

As usual, your comments make little sense.  I usually don't even bother to read yours nor your comrades.  The last one was just more outlandish than usual.  More ballsy and brazen - like taking credit for things like Rump when he has done nothing to gain the credit for.  

 
 
 
epistte
5.4.16  epistte  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @5.4.11    last year
you know the feeling you get when trump attacks the things you support?  enjoy that for 6 more years and then we can talk.

What conservative sacred cow did Obama attack? 

What fundamental change did Obama force on you or anyone else?

 
 
 
Tessylo
5.4.17  Tessylo  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @5.4.12    last year
'yes we... and we are keeping it.'

laughing dude

We'll see what happens . . . . 

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
5.4.18  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  Tessylo @5.4.17    last year

 laugh all ya like... a good way to hide your fear.

seriously,

do ya really think the dems have a shot after trump, quote, "secures/fixes" the voting machines?

or has the democrat talking heads not given you an opinion yet?

take the day to think about that... I will be back tonight.

cheers :)

 
 
 
bbl-1
6  bbl-1    last year

'Patriot Prayers.'  ? ? ?

Crap.  Right wing hate is now besmirching the word patriot just like they defiled what ever honor, glory and historical significance the Stars and Bars may have held dear.  Disgusting.

 
 
 
lib50
6.1  lib50  replied to  bbl-1 @6    last year

If they support Trump you know they mean Russian patriots.

 
 
 
Skrekk
6.1.1  Skrekk  replied to  lib50 @6.1    last year
If they support Trump you know they mean Russian patriots.

Here's one of those white supremacist patriots and noble Trump voters:

According to prosecutors, Woodward’s social media posts were “racist, homophobic, anti-Semitic, misogynistic, and anti-government.” In January, Woodward was linked to a neo-Nazi group suspected in four other murders.

https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/student-s-killing-motivated-anti-gay-hate-california-prosecutors-say-n897321

https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/OCDA-Discusses-Blaze-Bernstein-Case-489906201.html
 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
6.1.2  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Skrekk @6.1.1    last year
In January, Woodward was linked to a neo-Nazi group suspected in four other murders.

Oh, but they are "fine people." 

 
 
 
MUVA
6.2  MUVA  replied to  bbl-1 @6    last year

Who is the right wing Trump everyone that voted for him or is the whole thing a figment of your imagination?

 
 
 
lennylynx
6.2.1  lennylynx  replied to  MUVA @6.2    last year

Do you have commaphobia?

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
7  seeder  Colour Me Free    last year

Way past my bed time .. thanks everyone .. I will unlock in the morning if anyone has more to say..

Good night...

 
 
 
Kathleen
7.1  Kathleen  replied to  Colour Me Free @7    last year

Glad you opened this back up, I had to defend myself above....

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
7.1.1  seeder  Colour Me Free  replied to  Kathleen @7.1    last year

I admit I did not read the whole thread before locking last night .. glad you got the chance to set the record straight

I just got back in ..  opened the seed this morning and headed to the garden - my zucchini and cucumbers are going crazy : )

 
 
 
Kathleen
7.1.2  Kathleen  replied to  Colour Me Free @7.1.1    last year

Thank you : )

 
 
 
Kathleen
7.1.3  Kathleen  replied to  Colour Me Free @7.1.1    last year

Sorry Colour, 

I am off this thread, too many people are taking my comments the wrong way.

I am not this terrible person that they presume I am. 

Talk to you soon.

 
 
 
lennylynx
7.1.4  lennylynx  replied to  Kathleen @7.1.3    last year

Taken the wrong way?  The divide seems pretty clear here.  Some of us think that we should simply ignore the Nazi/Supremacist rallies, while others of us feel we should push back and protest their rallies.  Perhaps we should take a vote and see where Newstalker members stand on the issue...

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
7.1.5  seeder  Colour Me Free  replied to  lennylynx @7.1.4    last year

A poll?  why not just count the up votes?

P.s.. there is nothing simple about this mess... yet not everyone feels that Antifa type actions are the answer to a long festering problem of racism...

 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
7.1.6  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh  replied to  Colour Me Free @7.1.5    last year

The problem with that is the Antifa folks were calling the Black Portland Cops the N word last demonstration. You can watch Antifa hurling racial slurs at black officers on youtube.

Antifa also has a long history of Antisemitism. 

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
7.1.7  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @7.1.6    last year
The problem with that is the Antifa folks were calling the Black Portland Cops the N word last demonstration. You can watch Antifa hurling racial slurs at black officers on youtube. Antifa also has a long history of Antisemitism. 

As a mod, you of all people shouldn't put allegations like that up without actually linking to the proof you allege exists.  I eagerly await your remedying that deficency. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
7.1.8  JohnRussell  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @7.1.6    last year

deleted

 
 
 
epistte
7.1.9  epistte  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @7.1.6    last year
Antifa also has a long history of Antisemitism. 

I dare you to prove that claim.

 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
7.1.10  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1.8    last year

I love it!

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
7.1.11  seeder  Colour Me Free  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @7.1.6    last year

I have dug through Antifa history .. I am not impressed .. but to some they are Robin Hood and his band of always ready to get violent men/women!  I do not see their tactics working to stomp out supremacy … I could be wrong..

 
 
 
Skrekk
7.1.12  Skrekk  replied to  Colour Me Free @7.1.5    last year
yet not everyone feels that Antifa type actions are the answer to a long festering problem of racism...

I think Antifa is performing a public service.    They're doing the right thing by confronting these fascists and white supremacists (collectively known as the right wing).

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
7.1.13  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @7.1.10    last year
I love it!

So, it appears that you do not intend to try to corroborate your false statement about antifa being anti-semitic.  Will you now do the honorable thing and remove the false comment? 

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
7.1.14  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Colour Me Free @7.1.11    last year
I am not impressed

I'm sure that will destroy them.

 
 
 
A. Macarthur
7.1.15  A. Macarthur  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @7.1.6    last year

Link please.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
7.1.16  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  A. Macarthur @7.1.15    last year

You can watch this live with commentary, here:

Go directly to youtube to read the comments.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
7.1.17  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  A. Macarthur @7.1.15    last year
Link please.

Aint gonna happen.  He's basically admitted it was a lie by ignoring every request for proof. 

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
7.1.18  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @7.1.16    last year

I hope it's not all being filtered through such a garbage site like InfoWars. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
7.1.19  Tessylo  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @7.1.7    last year

It's not the first time either atheist that some posters have posted such allegations with no proof whatsoever 

 
 
 
Kathleen
7.1.20  Kathleen  replied to  lennylynx @7.1.4    last year

Lenny, maybe you can tell me what you would do, if you were there.

If you don't mind, I would like to know please.

 
 
 
Ender
7.1.21  Ender  replied to  Kathleen @7.1.20    last year

I will have to defend you a little here. From reading the comments I could tell you were not defending this group.

I can defend Lenny as well. I see just two different ways of dealing with the situation.

I watched some of the broadcasts that were posted here. All I saw from them was people walking around and yelling at each other.

In previous times protests and civil unrest were to make a point. Protesting Vietnam, crocked politicians, the corrupt establishment, etc.

This group only seems to want to piss off other people. Completely useless. They seem to want to just cause unrest.

I am in the middle on this. On one hand I don't want to give them the attention they crave. On the other hand, exposing them can be detrimental to them.

I will say, as far as the news channels they didn't get much coverage.

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
7.1.22  seeder  Colour Me Free  replied to  Ender @7.1.21    last year

Hi Ender .. 

Thank you for being in the middle -  

My horse is dead .. done been beat to death and is now resting peacefully - I have to just say one more thing : )  I do not want racism ignored, I want it to be in the light and exposed .. I just do not think the counter protesters / Antifa are using the correct approach.

There was SOOOOO much hype played up in the media about the potential violence blah blah blah - I watched a couple different live feeds, never did see the 'march' itself nor did I see it on any news feeds last night (local news never mentioned it) … SOOOO does that mean that next time there will need to be violence in order to have the event covered in the media?

Rhetorical question .. enjoy your Sunday and as always thanks for the great conversation..

Peace!

 
 
 
Kathleen
7.1.23  Kathleen  replied to  Ender @7.1.21    last year

That's what I have been getting at.

The most important thing about all this is that none of us support a hate group like this. It's just a difference of opinion of how we would handle it.  

That's all it is.

I was certainly not defending them, thanks for realizing that.

I am at my hotel back from dinner just on my phone checking up on here. 

 
 
 
Ender
7.1.24  Ender  replied to  Colour Me Free @7.1.22    last year

The best counter protest I have ever seen was at Matthew Shepard's funeral. I don't know if I would call it a counter protest per say yet I thought it was beautiful, the way they dressed as angels and blocked the vile protesters from view.

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
7.1.25  seeder  Colour Me Free  replied to  Ender @7.1.24    last year

I had forgotten about that .. you are correct .. that was the ultimate 'turn your back to hate' .. thanks for reminding me.

 
 
 
Kathleen
7.1.26  Kathleen  replied to  Ender @7.1.24    last year

I remember that. It was a sweet jester, that is for sure.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
7.1.27  sandy-2021492  replied to  Ender @7.1.24    last year

There was a funeral in Parkersburg, WV a few years back where the Westboro Baptist assholes were planning to protest.  No business in town would serve them.  They couldn't buy a meal, nor find a place to sleep.  They slunk out of town like the snakes they are.

 
 
 
epistte
7.1.28  epistte  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @7.1.6    last year
Antifa also has a long history of Antisemitism. 

Badfish, as a moderator I would expect you to only make claims that you can support.  Please answer my question about the supposed antisemitic beliefs of the Antifa. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
7.1.29  Tessylo  replied to  epistte @7.1.28    last year

He pulled that  same nonsense on my seed.  I got tired of all of he and his comrades pissing on my seed, so I deleted it.  

 
 
 
lennylynx
7.1.30  lennylynx  replied to  epistte @7.1.28    last year

I too believe that Moderators should be held to certain minimum standards.  Stating blatant lies then running away is not acceptable.

 
 
 
epistte
7.1.31  epistte  replied to  lennylynx @7.1.30    last year
Stating blatant lies then running away is not acceptable.

To my mind that action borders on trolling.

 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
8  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh    last year

Alt Right group faces off with Far Left group. I'll be watching it live on youtube at 2:00 pm

Get ready to rumble!

 
 
 
Dulay
8.1  Dulay  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @8    last year
keep assuming things that I have not said, or meant in anyway

Did you make popcorn? 

BTW, there is another group that will be participating in this 'march' and they are there to try to squelch violence. Maybe they will prevail and ruin your fun.  

 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
8.1.1  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh  replied to  Dulay @8.1    last year

What better entertainment, overweight alt-righties in camo shorts and fat antifa in skinny jeans. One things for certain, we are going to see muffin tops wrestling.

 
 
 
Dulay
8.1.2  Dulay  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @8.1.1    last year

To each their own. If I want to watch an 'entertaining' fight, I'll watch MMA. 

 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
8.1.3  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh  replied to  Dulay @8.1.2    last year

It's better when it's unskilled slobs.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
8.2  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @8    last year

While we await the documentation you owe to the discussion on your, as yet, undocumented charge of antifa anti-semitism I thought this article from the Anti-Defamation League on the antifa would help you a bit:

Who are the Antifa?

Here's an excerpt:

... it is important to reject attempts to claim equivalence between the antifa and the white supremacist groups they oppose. The antifa reject racism but use unacceptable tactics. White supremacists use even more extreme violence to spread their ideologies of hate, to intimidate ethnic minorities, and undermine democratic norms. Right-wing extremists have been one of the largest and most consistent sources of domestic terror incidents in the United States for many years; they have murdered hundreds of people in this country over the last ten years alone.   To date, there have not been any known antifa-related murders.

There is no allegation of anti-semitism by antifa in this ADL article which is also critical of some antifa actions.

 
 
 
Skrekk
9  Skrekk    last year

I wonder if the right wingers here would be calling for tolerance and free expression if the rally were by an al-Qaeda affiliated group which sought the imposition of Islamic Sharia law, the subjugation of women, and the burning of Jewish and Christian houses of superstition?     Or would they confront those nuts?

Or maybe the right wingers would simply realize how much ideology they share with Islamic extremists and thus march alongside them?

 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
10  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh    last year

Ok the Rally is live on youtube kids...both moronic groups are wearing body armor and helmets. Fat fights about to start!

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
10.1  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @10    last year

Am watching.  Haven't seen any tubbies.  What are you watching--a NASCAR rally?

 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
10.1.1  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @10.1    last year

Oh it looks like the prayer is starting.

Would you like to lead us Atheist?

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
10.1.2  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @10.1.1    last year
Would you like to lead us Atheist?

What a yawner this turned out to be.  You must be really disappointed.  Your only entertainment of the week----poof!

 
 
 
A. Macarthur
11  A. Macarthur    last year

Patriot Prayer to carry guns at Portland rally as fears of violence rise

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/aug/04/patriot-prayer-to-carry-guns-at-portland-rally-as-fears-of-violence-rise

Joey Gibson

Gibson's political activity is frequently met with criticism. Many activists are referred to as being white supremacists. [22]  Nine days after a Patriot Prayer-aligned protester allegedly stabbed three men on the Portland transit system,  TriMet , Gibson hosted a rally met by thousands of counter-protesters. [23]  The  Proud Boys , a far-right group, [24]  have also been present at several of his events. [25] [26] [27]  Gibson has also drawn internal criticism from his habit of using violence against members of his own organization after consuming alcohol. [28]

 
 
 
Silent_Hysteria
12  Silent_Hysteria    last year

Until the govt starts cracking down on people trying to keep people from exercising their rights this will continue.  Not sure why people have not figured out to just ignore anyone's march you don't agree with. All your doing is strengthening their support by trying to silence them.  Have you not heard of the Streisand effect?  

You may not like them... but you don't have a right to keep them from having a public platform.  Dox them sure.  Counter protest sure.  But you don't have the right to try and silence them as many are going with the intention of.  

 
 
 
Skrekk
12.1  Skrekk  replied to  Silent_Hysteria @12    last year
Until the govt starts cracking down on people trying to keep people from exercising their rights this will continue.

What specific group of people do you think the government needs to "crack down on"?

 
 
 
Silent_Hysteria
12.1.1  Silent_Hysteria  replied to  Skrekk @12.1    last year

The antifa like groups.  The ones who are going not to counter protest but to silence people.  The ones who burn down and destroy property when someone speaks who even shows one opinion they could label right wing.  The ones that anyone who isn't a communist is a nazi to them.  As I said.  Counter protest is one thing... going to attack people is another.  They have openly stated there intention is to prevent them from having any platform.  

 
 
 
Skrekk
12.1.2  Skrekk  replied to  Silent_Hysteria @12.1.1    last year
The antifa like groups.  The ones who are going not to counter protest but to silence people.

Antifa hasn't silenced anyone but they have protected quite a few who were being assaulted or threatened by neo-Nazis, the KKK and other such white supremacist right wing nuts.

 
 
 
Silent_Hysteria
12.1.3  Silent_Hysteria  replied to  Skrekk @12.1.2    last year

They publicly state their goal is to attack anyone they deem fascist,  they already have. They have publicly stated they go to attack "nazis" and keep them from gathering in public.  There are numerous videos of them attacking people just standing around.  Don't play games with it.  It makes your points weak.  

I don't agree with what they say.. I'm not going to support someone silencing them, though.  It's already been shown that will just be used to attack anyone they don't agree with under the guise they are "nazis".  

 
 
 
KDMichigan
12.1.4  KDMichigan  replied to  Skrekk @12.1.2    last year
Antifa hasn't silenced anyone but they have protected

laughing dude

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
12.1.5  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Silent_Hysteria @12.1.3    last year
They publicly state their goal is to attack anyone they deem fascist,  they already have.

And yet the only ones to actually inflict death and serious injury are the nazis but you want to "crack down" only on the anti-nazis.  You couldn't even bring yourself to say "both of them" and at least pretend you weren't taking sides.  

 
 
 
arkpdx
12.1.6  arkpdx  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @12.1.5    last year

Guess you forgot about the left wing antifa supporter that hit several people with his lock. He was charged with felony assault 

 
 
 
TTGA
12.1.7  TTGA  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @12.1.5    last year
And yet the only ones to actually inflict death and serious injury are the nazis but you want to "crack down" only on the anti-nazis.

Doesn't mean that Antifa hasn't attacked otherwise peaceful people; just means they aren't very good at it.

 
 
 
pat wilson
12.1.8  pat wilson  replied to  TTGA @12.1.7    last year
Doesn't mean that Antifa hasn't attacked otherwise peaceful people; just means they aren't very good at it.

What are you saying ? That it's bad if a group isn't good at committing violence against others who are peaceful ? That's so strange.

 
 
 
TTGA
12.1.9  TTGA  replied to  pat wilson @12.1.8    last year
What are you saying ? That it's bad if a group isn't good at committing violence against others who are peaceful ? That's so strange.

No Pat, I was replying to Atheist 's claim that Antifa hasn't killed anyone yet.  My reply was that they haven't killed anyone, not because they don't want to do so, but because they aren't skilled enough to do so.  In other (simpler) terms, they would like to kill but simply aren't competent enough to actually do it. 

What is overlooked by the Antifa supporters is that it is not permitted to use physical violence in any way against those who have not themselves initiated physical violence.   Those who do go physical should be immediately shut down by the police.  if the police fail to stop that physical violence, then the ones who received the violence will have to respond physically in order to protect themselves. Like the right of peaceful protest, the right to protect yourself against violent attack is a protected right under the Constitution.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
12.1.10  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  TTGA @12.1.7    last year
Doesn't mean that Antifa hasn't attacked otherwise peaceful people;

You call the fascists and nazis peaceful---I've shown a gif of one of them firing a gun point blank into a crowd (bad aim, luckily).  Jeezus you people will stop at nothing to protect these scum.  

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
12.1.11  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  TTGA @12.1.9    last year
My reply was that they haven't killed anyone, not because they don't want to do so, but because they aren't skilled enough to do so. 

So let's hear your excuse for the nazis being successful at it.  Or do you admire their skill? 

 
 
 
Freefaller
12.1.12  Freefaller  replied to  TTGA @12.1.9    last year
but because they aren't skilled enough to do so.

Lol don't care about the argument but since when does it take skill to kill someone

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
12.1.13  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Freefaller @12.1.12    last year
Lol don't care about the argument but since when does it take skill to kill someone

And these are the "people" who claim to be morally superior in our society.  Severe mental health issues right there. 

 
 
 
Jack_TX
12.2  Jack_TX  replied to  Silent_Hysteria @12    last year
Not sure why people have not figured out to just ignore anyone's march you don't agree with.

No no no no.

We must be hysterical.  24/7/365.  We must be relentlessly, vigilantly hysterical.  If we're not...people might say things.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
12.2.1  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Jack_TX @12.2    last year
We must be relentlessly, vigilantly hysterical.  If we're not...people might say things.

This must have been the argument in the late 1930s in this country and even well into the Battle of Britain that Nazis really weren't much of a threat.  And if we ignore them they'll just go away.   Ford and Lindhbergh were big pushers that theme.  Even the Jews in Germany let themselves get talked into that deadly complacency.  

 
 
 
Jack_TX
12.2.2  Jack_TX  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @12.2.1    last year

I forgot melodramatic.  

Hysterical AND melodramatic. 

The sky is actually falling, you know.  

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
13  seeder  Colour Me Free    last year

Let the debate begin … or shouting and name calling as the case may be - will there be signs saying this is a 'limited free speech' zone?  Sad to see things possibly coming to this in America...

Heavy police presence as right-wing rally begins in Portland Gibson's insistence on bringing his supporters repeatedly to this blue city has crystallized a debate about the limits of free speech in an era of stark political division . Patriot Prayer also has held rallies in many other cities around the U.S. West, including Berkeley, California, that have drawn violent reactions.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/heavy-police-presence-as-right-wing-rally-begins-in-portland/ar-BBLttAO?ocid=spartandhp

 
 
 
XDm9mm
13.1  XDm9mm  replied to  Colour Me Free @13    last year
Let the debate begin … or shouting and name calling as the case may be - will there be signs saying this is a 'limited free speech' zone?  Sad to see things possibly coming to this in America...

Good evening Colour...

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Phoenyx13
13.1.1  Phoenyx13  replied to  XDm9mm @13.1    last year
The left does not want any free speech or airing of differing views.  They simply want surrender and capitulation to THEIR point of view.  Anything opposing that is not allowed.

are you sure it's solely the "left" ?

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
13.1.2  seeder  Colour Me Free  replied to  XDm9mm @13.1    last year

Good evening XD

I think both sides have a issue with the oppositions opinion from time to time .. but to limit speech in an area that has strong one side of the  aisle beliefs, can limit others voices in their area - if I am interpreting things correctly limiting/stopping free speech will then be allowed in areas such as cities (?) where ones beliefs are not agreed with..

 
 
 
A. Macarthur
13.1.3  A. Macarthur  replied to  XDm9mm @13.1    last year
The left does not want any free speech or airing of differing views.  They simply want surrender and capitulation to THEIR point of view.  Anything opposing that is not allowed.

That's a pronouncement and a platitude, my friend … hyperbole painted with a broad brush.

Otherwise, hope you are well.

 
 
 
A. Macarthur
14  A. Macarthur    last year

"Patriot Prayer" - - prototypical right-wing group I.D. that literally portrays itself as simultaneously "patriotic" and "religious" -- the guise-of-choice of white nationalism!

And the Russian hackers/Vladimir-Putin-propaganda-machine knows precisely how to use social media and, an apparently compromised Donald Trump, to exploit the haters' agenda and divide Americans through fear, deception … and, to attempt to steal future American elections (which is likely, at least to some degree, why Republicans appear spineless regarding standing up for democracy … and steal legislative positions of their own).

Donald Trump is the face and symbol and power of "white resentment," comprised primarily of a whining-scapegoating "base" which still buys the Trump litany of bullshit-faux-sympathy and promises of jobs and "winning"!

Even as Trump is FUCKING the very workers he promised to help … much of whom ARE TRUMP'S BASE, because he's their "Jess Willard," in their ignorance and stupidity, they look the other was as he …

• Enacts tax cuts that overwhelmingly favor the wealthy over the average worker

• Takes billions out of workers’ pockets by weakening or abandoning regulations that protect their pay

• Blocks workers from access to the courts by allowing mandatory arbitration clauses in employment contracts

• Pushes immigration policies that hurt all workers

The Trump administration has taken a number of extreme actions that will hurt all workers, including pursuing and detaining unauthorized immigrants who were victims of  employer abuse  and  human trafficking —while they were  trying to enforce their rights in court —and  ending Temporary Protected Status  for hundreds of thousands of immigrant workers, many of whom have resided in the United States for two decades. But perhaps the most inhumane and ill-advised example has been the administration’s termination of Deferred Action of Childhood Arrivals (DACA).

Ending DACA is forcing young immigrant workers out of the regulated labor market and into the shadow labor market, where they are  easily exploitable by employers  by virtue of losing their ability to work lawfully. While a federal district court in California  temporarily enjoined  the Trump administration on January 10, 2018, from continuing the phase-out of DACA, and ordered that it continue accepting applications for renewals, the impact of the decision is  unclear . The government will quickly appeal the decision, the timeline for processing renewals is unclear, and no new applications from potential DACA beneficiaries will be permitted.

• Rolls back regulations that protect worker pay and safety

• Stacks the Federal Reserve Board with candidates friendlier to Wall Street than to working families

• Ensures Wall Street can pocket more of workers’ retirement savings
• Stacks the Supreme Court against workers by appointing Neil Gorsuch
• Tries to take affordable health care away from millions of working people
• Undercuts key worker protection agencies by nominating anti-worker leaders

________________________________________________________________

Wake up boys! Being white and led by a Putin puppet won't improve your quality of life!

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
14.1  seeder  Colour Me Free  replied to  A. Macarthur @14    last year

Think you have this seed confused with some other seed...

 
 
 
A. Macarthur
14.1.1  A. Macarthur  replied to  Colour Me Free @14.1    last year
Think you have this seed confused with some other seed...

If you look at the Patriot Prayer crowd, note the various TRUMP paraphernalia … the self-ascribed "patriot-religionist" dragging his knuckles in Trump's America, does so to the detriment of his own REAL, rather than fantasized interests.

Look at my post as if you were at a sporting event …

You Can't Tell The Players Without A Scorecard.

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
14.1.2  seeder  Colour Me Free  replied to  A. Macarthur @14.1.1    last year

Yeah okay, well enjoy your game.

 
 
 
A. Macarthur
14.1.3  A. Macarthur  replied to  Colour Me Free @14.1.2    last year

Thank you … but it's not my game … I'm just an observant spectator.

 
 
 
Skrekk
14.2  Skrekk  replied to  A. Macarthur @14    last year
Donald Trump is the face and symbol and power of "white resentment," comprised primarily of a whining-scapegoating "base" which still buys the Trump litany of bullshit-faux-sympathy and promises of jobs and "winning"!

It's pretty much a guarantee that every one of the white supremacists at the rally is a Trump supporter.

 
 
 
96WS6
14.3  96WS6  replied to  A. Macarthur @14    last year

Yes they are about as bad as ANTIFA wouldn't you say?  Please don't try to argue that folks that are covering their face are doing it for any reason other than they plan to commit crime and don't want to be identified.

You know, the really ironic thing here is that if ANTIFA didn't intervene there would probably be no violence, and if there was violence, then there would be no question who is to blame.  If there is no violence, they don't get the attention they are after in the first place.  Why give it to them?  

Silly me.  That would be too simple and intelligent.

 
 
 
A. Macarthur
15  A. Macarthur    last year

I AM DELETING MY OWN COMMENT AS IT HAS JUSTIFIABLY BEEN FLAGGED AS "OFF TOPIC," WHICH IT IS (WAS). (A. MAC)

 
 
 
lennylynx
15.1  lennylynx  replied to  A. Macarthur @15    last year

Lol, I think you need to go for a pint too Mac! Happy

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
16  The Magic Eight Ball    last year

if antifa does not want their ass beat? they should stop using violence to try and silence the conservatives... simple.

antifa will get everything they deserve.

 
 
 
Tessylo
16.1  Tessylo  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @16    last year

It is the 'conservatives' aka Rumps' base who are the ones inciting the violence, not anti-fa. Anti-fa aren't the ones holding an alt- right wing 'rally' in Portland in the first place are they now?

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
16.1.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  Tessylo @16.1    last year

Feds: Portland ICE protesters spewed racist insults

https://www.oregonlive.com/expo/news/erry-2018/07/3c121acf878231/feds-portland-ice-protesters-s.html

Stay classy Portland Progressives.

 
 
 
arkpdx
16.1.2  arkpdx  replied to  Tessylo @16.1    last year

So in your world  the First Amendment is  only allowed in certain places and only for certain groups .Please show me in the constitution it says that 

 
 
 
Skrekk
16.1.3  Skrekk  replied to  Tessylo @16.1    last year
It is the 'conservatives' aka Rumps' base who are the ones inciting the violence, not anti-fa.

That was certainly the case in Charlottesville but today in Portland it sounds like it was 1-1, with the first gashed head caused by a white supremacist (it's on video).   Later on a reporter's head was hit by a bottle thrown from the counter protester's side.    But the first incident was far more serious and very deliberate.

https://twitter.com/itsmikebivins/status/1025827912488894465

 
 
 
Tessylo
16.1.4  Tessylo  replied to  arkpdx @16.1.2    last year

I never said that ark, you just did.  

 
 
 
arkpdx
16.1.5  arkpdx  replied to  Tessylo @16.1.4    last year

You certainly implied it by saying that the Right wing demonstrators incited the violence by holding their rally in Portland. 

 
 
 
Cerenkov
16.1.6  Cerenkov  replied to  Sean Treacy @16.1.1    last year

Typical violent progressive thugs.

 
 
 
Tessylo
16.1.7  Tessylo  replied to  arkpdx @16.1.5    last year

I didn't imply dick.

 
 
 
Dulay
16.1.8  Dulay  replied to  Sean Treacy @16.1.1    last year

Guess they know how Jim Acosta feels...

 
 
 
TTGA
16.1.9  TTGA  replied to  Tessylo @16.1    last year
It is the 'conservatives' aka Rumps' base who are the ones inciting the violence, not anti-fa.

While it's not proven that they actually were inciting violence, under our laws inciting violence is NEVER a valid excuse for violence.  For groups or for individuals, the ONLY valid excuse for the use of physical violence is physical violence being used against you.

 
 
 
Tessylo
16.1.10  Tessylo  replied to  TTGA @16.1.9    last year

I have no idea why you're making that comment.

 
 
 
MrFrost
16.1.11  MrFrost  replied to  Cerenkov @16.1.6    last year
Typical violent progressive thugs.

For hating progressives, you seem to like to use the internet....an invention brought to you by a progressive. Perhaps, in your hatred, you should protest, and use the internet no more. 

 
 
 
Kathleen
17  Kathleen    last year

Good Evening everyone.

Now that I am down the ocean sitting out on my balcony looking at the ocean, I am more relaxed. I am drinking a margarita.

First of all, I apologize if I offened anyone. Sometimes subjects like this get a tad heated. Second, I will still stand by my views about free speech, I have protested about an issue once, so I think it's one of the things that makes this country what it is.

Again, if I caused any problems, I apologize for that.

Have a nice evening to all.

 
 
 
MUVA
17.1  MUVA  replied to  Kathleen @17    last year

Sounds good I live down by the Chesapeake bay my wife and I like taking my grand son in the evenings and watching the sun sets and occasionally drink one of those too.

 
 
 
Kathleen
17.1.1  Kathleen  replied to  MUVA @17.1    last year

You are close then, I live near the top of the Chesapeake bay. I am in Ocean City staying at The Grand.

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
17.2  seeder  Colour Me Free  replied to  Kathleen @17    last year

Hello .. glad you are getting yourself some unwind time .. sit back and enjoy : )

 
 
 
Skrekk
18  Skrekk    last year

Looks like this guy already got a few too many bonks on the head so he's wearing a helmet for safety:

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Colour Me Free
19  seeder  Colour Me Free    last year

Hello everyone...

I want to thank all of you for a nearly NO PURPLE thread : )  Thanks for the civility shown over the past couple days..

I will leave this open the rest of the day .. 

Peace!

 
 
 
lennylynx
19.1  lennylynx  replied to  Colour Me Free @19    last year

This is actually a good debate, (for a change!) whether to ignore the Nazis or push back against their rallies.  There is something to be said for both points of view, and both sides even seem to be listening to each other.  Great seed Colour! thumbs up

 
 
 
Kathleen
20  Kathleen    last year

I am on vacation, so I think I better chill now and have some fun. 

This was a really good subject though. Believe it or not, I must enjoy this or I wouldn't be here I guess...

 
 
 
lennylynx
20.1  lennylynx  replied to  Kathleen @20    last year

Remember to use sunscreen!

 
 
 
Kathleen
20.1.1  Kathleen  replied to  lennylynx @20.1    last year

Will do.... : )

 
 
 
Kathleen
20.2  Kathleen  replied to  Kathleen @20    last year

Sorry.... Double post there.

 
 
 
Kathleen
21  Kathleen    last year

Sorry.... Double post there.

 
 
 
MrFrost
21.1  MrFrost  replied to  Kathleen @21    last year
Sorry.... Double post there.

Happens to us all Hon, no worries. 

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
22  seeder  Colour Me Free    last year

Thanks everyone .. this seed is done run its course .. Once again thank you all for the conversation...

Peace...

 
 
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