The Late, Great USA
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Is anyone really surprised by New York governor Andrew Cuomo saying, “We’re not going to make America great again. It was never that great.” The Left has been saying that, if not quite so bluntly, for decades. The only difference is that many more Americans now hold that view, including a disconcerting number of putative “conservatives.”
Dani Lever, a spokeswoman for Governor Cuomo, added that President Donald Trump’s Bull Moose patriotism “ignores the pain so many endured and that we suffered from slavery, discrimination, segregation, sexism and marginalized women’s contributions.”
Yes, we’ve heard that before too, but the crescendo of hysteria is reaching fever pitch. The Left now asserts that Robert E. Lee’s soldiers in gray were proto-Nazis; that Ulysses S. Grant’s soldiers in blue were genocidal Indian-killers; that America’s women still struggle against a colonial, patriarchal legacy of plantation owners in powdered wigs who kept their wives in comfortable confinement and their slaves as exploitable chattel; and that President Trump, far from being “a very stable genius,” which should be pretty obvious to everyone by now, is actually a moronic, unstable, but very clever agent of Vladimir Putin who quotes Mussolini in his sleep.
When it comes to American history (and sometimes Trump) how often have we seen putative “conservatives” falling over themselves to agree with the Left: furling Confederate flags and toppling Confederate statues as embarrassments; conceding that, yes, men like George Armstrong Custer were arrogant, bigoted, idiots from whose sins we should repent; and accepting a redefinition, never before known in human history, not just of marriage but of what it means to be a (now indefinable) man or a woman.
Such “conservatives” wish to conserve nothing save, maybe, capitalism.
But if you surrender your history, you surrender the future, and there is no reason why a nation founded in oppression, as the Left would have us believe America was, should survive, no reason why America’s constitution or its economic system should be respected, no reason why America should not be remade into something else through socialism.
In the 1970s, after the first eruption of the New Left’s historical revisionism and its cultural revolution, America’s retreat from Vietnam, and the malaise of stagflation, a narrative of inevitable American decline set in, accepted by the Left and mourned by the right. Writing in the 1970s, Robert Nisbet reflected that “it would be difficult to find a single decade in the history of Western culture when as much calculated onslaught against culture and convention passed into print, into music, into art, and onto the American screen” as during the decade of the 1960s.
The irony, speaking as one who grew up in the 1960s, is that those days seem like a wholesome paradise of Bonanza and Leave It to Beaver and the good-humored ribbing of celebrities by Johnny Carson on The Tonight Show compared to the hate-spewing, reeducation-camp propaganda of today’s entertainment-media complex that would have us believe that The Dukes of Hazard emerged from the pages of Der Stürmer , that The Honeymooners assisted in enforcing sexist, hetero-normative oppression, and that westerns featuring hardworking cowpokes like The Virginian “privileged” the stories of white, male rugged individualists against the need for an all-encompassing welfare state.
We are, obviously, in a much worse place today. The “silent majority” that saved us with the election of Ronald Reagan is now a minority, and Ronald Reagan’s restorative optimism seems out of place. Donald Trump’s belligerent reassertion of American nationalism against the commissars of political correctness who dominate nearly every institution in our society seems not only necessary but as heroic as Horatius at the Bridge.
As Churchill once called on his fellow Britons to fight the Nazi enemy “on the seas and oceans…in the air…on the landing grounds…in the fields and in the streets” so too do we need to fight for America’s heritage, its history, its heroic past in print, on the air, and on the screen—and this we have lamentably failed to do.
Immigrants who come to America today have no mystic chords of memory to bind them to our common culture. If we do not weave these imaginative chords, their view of America will be ideological—and dictated by the Left. If we do not weave them for young people, they will be severed from the past and willing to believe Leftist lies.
Our efforts don’t need to be—in fact, they should not be—po-faced. We need to recapture an unaffected, affectionate, generous understanding of our past—the sort of patriotism that used to be our common inheritance and the image we projected to the world.
Cuomo tweeted that Trump’s making America great again “would not be great at all. We will not go back to discrimination, segregation, sexism, isolationism, racism or the KKK.” But that’s not how the French thought of us in World War I. It’s not how Winston Churchill thought of Franklin Roosevelt and the United States in World War II. It’s not how the suppressed people of Eastern Europe thought of us during the Cold War. But it’s what the Left would have us think about ourselves.
If they succeed, and they are already well on their way, our future will not be that of a shining city upon a hill, but of a gulag where we are led in endless incantations of the words of Governor Cuomo.
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“Dani Lever, a spokeswoman for Governor Cuomo, added that President Donald Trump’s Bull Moose patriotism “ignores the pain so many endured and that we suffered from slavery, discrimination, segregation, sexism and marginalized women’s contributions.”
Yes, we’ve heard that before too, but the crescendo of hysteria is reaching fever pitch. The Left now asserts that Robert E. Lee’s soldiers in gray were proto-Nazis; that Ulysses S. Grant’s soldiers in blue were genocidal Indian-killers; that America’s women still struggle against a colonial, patriarchal legacy of plantation owners in powdered wigs who kept their wives in comfortable confinement and their slaves as exploitable chattel; and that President Trump, far from being “a very stable genius,” which should be pretty obvious to everyone by now, is actually a moronic, unstable, but very clever agent of Vladimir Putin who quotes Mussolini in his sleep.
When it comes to American history (and sometimes Trump) how often have we seen putative “conservatives” falling over themselves to agree with the Left: furling Confederate flags and toppling Confederate statues as embarrassments; conceding that, yes, men like George Armstrong Custer were arrogant, bigoted, idiots from whose sins we should repent; and accepting a redefinition, never before known in human history, not just of marriage but of what it means to be a (now indefinable) man or a woman.
Such “conservatives” wish to conserve nothing save, maybe, capitalism.
But if you surrender your history, you surrender the future, and there is no reason why a nation founded in oppression, as the Left would have us believe America was, should survive, no reason why America’s constitution or its economic system should be respected, no reason why America should not be remade into something else through socialism.
In the 1970s, after the first eruption of the New Left’s historical revisionism and its cultural revolution, America’s retreat from Vietnam, and the malaise of stagflation, a narrative of inevitable American decline set in, accepted by the Left and mourned by the right. Writing in the 1970s, Robert Nisbet reflected that “it would be difficult to find a single decade in the history of Western culture when as much calculated onslaught against culture and convention passed into print, into music, into art, and onto the American screen” as during the decade of the 1960s.”
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White supremacy has nothing to do with the subject of this seed. It’s sad that progressives in America equate patriotism and being proud of ones exceptional nation with white supremacy.
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Please prove with links that H.W. Crocker III the author of my seed is a racist white supremacist... then show us your proof that the very mainstream American Town Hall media organization is that as well complete with documentation and links.
That's an odd claim given that the seed's author and you seem to be whining (in part) about the loss of the symbols supporting white supremacy and Jim Crow, just like in your comment you're also whining about the loss of the symbols of heterosupremacy.
I guess it's true what they say - "When you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression."
Crocker is the racist who wrote a revisionist history of the civil war and claimed that it was about "state's rights" not about slavery. Apparently he didn't bother to read any of the letters of secession. Or he's unaware that the "state's rights" in question were about the right to retrieve property which had wandered off into non-slave states, and the right to enact laws which enforce white supremacy.
What a surprise!
It is odd that some love to white wash history. The US actually has a very violent and not very tolerant past.
From massacring the Indian population, fighting with the Mexicans, the wild west was no picnic. That was full of robber barons and outlaws. Even to the witch trials and hanging people in the town square. From slavery to lynching.
I am not saying that this country isn't or can't be great. Just that acting as the US has been some kind of utopia is a farce in itself. Trying to gloss over the past is not learning from past injustice, it is trying to act like it never existed.
So writing one book you don’t like makes one a white supremacy racist for life? Interesting.....
USA was great...now we are a joke. Thanks trump.
It’s also sad that many American progressives condition their patriotism and love of country on whether their side wins the most recent elections or not.
I am a US Marine Vet.. Don't ever question my patriotism, especially from the standpoint of, "progressives....." blah blah blah. If you hate progressives so much, get off the internet and go back to hammer and chisel and carve your messages into stone tablets. Because with progressives, that's where the REgressives would be.
another example of regressive projection
I never questioned the individual patriotism of anyone here. As for American progressives in general or collectively that’s another matter though there are liberals who are patriotic.
Us deplorables are proud of making Trump the President of all Americans. It’s a proud accomplishment.
that sounds like both sides - especially since those "patriotic" conservative minded Americans hated America and felt it was terrible so they had to vote to "Make America Great Again" which tells me that your statement also applied to them.
I think some do not understand their own statements and slogans.
Saying that they need to make America great again implies that it wasn't.
But we all know what it means anyway, that they couldn't stand having someone like Obama in the Whitehouse.
We had to Make America Great Again after 8 years of being ruled by that donkey who tried non stop to transform us to lead from behind.
so you are admitting you hated America, it wasn't great at all which means you were unpatriotic... yet now want to claim to be patriotic and proud of America ? why didn't you leave before if you hated America so much as you just admitted ?
absolutely ! and yet these are the "patriotic" Americans ? the ones that hated America are now the definition of "patriotic" ??
seems to be absolutely true
I said that Obama tried to drag us down, apologize for us, deny our exceptional status, lead from behind , and try to transform us. We rejected all that and restored ourselves to pre 2009 greatness.
The transformation has been rejected by the host. The body has recovered from the obama contagion 😷. America is healthy and well again! 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🇺🇸
bingo!!
That's ridiculous.
I, for one, am proud of my country.
Still the best place on earth.
I don't see anyone willing to die to get into other countries, or willing to face penalties to enter other countries illegally.
I'm just glad that Trump has brought white supremacist rallies back in style, like the KKK rallies his dad participated in. It's like a time warp to the 1950s or maybe even the 1920s, back when America really was great if you were a straight white Christian male.
You mean the 1950’s where the Republican administration enforced federal law and court decisions regarding civil rights upon the non cooperative democrat governors and law enforcement? Wasn’t it democrats who stood in school house doors to keep out African American kids and who carried on about segregation forever? Why, yes it was!
Yep, that was just before the GOP's racist "southern strategy" which helped build the modern GOP and explains why the racist King of the Birthers leads the party today.
That is a myth. Y'all act as though all those Southern Democrats became members of the GOP.
Facts say differently.
The facts in my state are it is completely run by the republicans.
Very few positions are held by Democrats. Oddly one is the attorney general and they have been wanting him out for a while.
So yes, all the bigoted racists around here vote for an R. Every time.
Wow, because someone votes GOP doesn't make them a racist.
That's ridiculous.
Keep on telling yourself that myth.
I was going to speak along those lines and then read down to see your very fine post. ( deleted )
Lets just say, all the racists here vote republican. That is a fact whether one likes it or not.
I see them, hear them and talk to them.
I find it refreshing that conservatives don't speak prejudicially in generalizations about liberals.
Smile
You simply don't know everyone, and should avoid sweeping generalizations of a party.
If your state is completely run by the GOP, it must mean they have won the majority of elections and the majority of your state's citizens put them there.
That doesn't make them racists.
It is comments like that that lead to a point where neither side is even willing to talk to the other.
You are obviously trying to not understand my comments or are just dismissing them.
Yes the racists here vote republican.
Like it or not, it is the truth, no matter how broad one tries to make it.
I understood just fine. Lots of people in your state (at least the majority) are racists and all of the racists vote GOP.
I mean, that is what you stated, right?
That is a sweeping generalization.
And it is wrong.
Show me where I stated all republicans are racist? As I don't see that at all in my comments.
So racist people here vote in and for republicans and you want to somehow twist all of that to fit what ever your point may be.
I call that just denial.
Read what I wrote aqain, I didn't say that.
You said that all racists vote Republican in your state.
That is a sweeping generalization, and completely unsupported by facts.
We clearly need to rewrite that rule at the next coc discussion.
No problem, no apology necessary. I also stand by mine.
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That is also a sweeping generalization.
Seems appropriate given that 62 million of those Republicans voted for the racist King of the Birthers, a man with a long history of refusing to rent to black folks.
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So you are naïve enough to think that ONLY Republicans elected trump?
Most of the time, you tell us how many more Democrats there are in the US, and how the GOP is dead or dying.
I hate it when this happens.
Care to try again ? its cool
No, the bs here is clear for all to see. Fox Nation Can’t start fast enough.
I understand.
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Ironically HA I used to run into the same thing unfortunately too often on another site myself.
Ya state your opinion in your way and Poof its gone.
To me even more ironically after your very last post cause guess which "chat nation" I encounter the same thing on ?
Yep ... fox
I haven't been there for a long time though and dot even know if its still up and running.
I think you would still be happier here though you seem to enjoy the interaction and challenge.
And echo chambers are Boring !!
Good for you ! Me too.
PS: My last post Was Before your first one went Poof
They are allowed when directed by progressives against Republicans but not the other way around. The Southern Pacific Railroaded rule.
what's that?
Yawn...Gee, what a rehash...Didn't know that Robert Byrd and Trump were related....boy, that democrat sure was a "nasty" racist wasn't he?
As a side note, if people have the proper permits to "rally" then so be it - be it BLM, Antifa, Occupy, or the KKK...while I personally don't like any of those groups - they are all afforded the right to assemble. Ain't it grand? Or are you just mad cuz somebody peed in your cheerios?
Well, then get some decent people on the dem side, not some looney tunes like Bernie, Cumo, and that Cortez chick who is an absolute idiot. The fact that the Dems lost 1000 seats the last election is not the R's fault...it's them dems. You people crack me up - whining when you lose because the other side won.... Man up and quitcherwhinin.
They believe as Cuomo does , that they lost because we were never a great country.
“All the bigoted racists around here vote for an R. Every time.” Yep, nothing there resembling a sweeping generalization at all. Right.
The old Fox Nation doesn’t exist. They are creating a new one and I’m on their e-mail list to be notified about it’s progress and opening. I hope it’s fair and balanced and allows contributions from other sources. I dropped out of the old one because it was too much an echo chamber. I’m so disillusioned with this place that I’m beginning to look at other options. Though I won’t give the progressives here the pleasure of seeing me go away nor will I walk away from fellow besieged conservatives here either.
Well Good I as well hope its much more open and allows for both sides to interact. Like I said I think echo chambers suck. If they upgrade it perhaps it will also accept stuff like pictures and links and stuff.
Maybe someday I'll check it out if and when I hear it's up and going. But seriously if its like the old fox chat system was I wont be able to be post most of my opinions without them disappearing anyway. O-That was so frustrating ! So I don't know if I'll try there again or not.
But, I hadn't heard Fox may reopen it, so thanks
Like I said I didn't even know it had shut down, if it does reopen and hasn't changed...
O- well ..... Their loss.
lol
Sorry but I'm the wrong guy to whine to on that issue given that I first started donating to the ACLU to support the right of neo-Nazis to march in Skokie.
In my experience it's usually RWNJs like Trump who are interested in restricting speech......but those morons are so profoundly dumb that they don't even understand whose actions the 1st Amendment restricts. Case in point are the RWNJs who are whining because private companies like Facebook are no longer willing to provide a platform for their hate speech.
I’ll let you know when I find out. They are advertising it but it’s still under construction.
Oh the humanity !!!!
That would be nice, Thanks.
Although I do like it here pretty well one of the things I miss is having a constant new feed of current daily news stories to comment on.
I find that once I state my opinion on a story, many times I really dont have much more to say about it. I do like to read other peoples opinions as well and sometimes learn from them, but arguing points over and over about the same subject to me gets old pretty quick. Everyone has an opinion and to me that's fine. I'm glad we dint see, want or are all the same. But I'd like more variety of daily news stories to comment on.
So yeah if I do hear Fox is up and running again I will probably check them out again.
So,Thanks for offering to let me know if and when you know that it's up and going.
I'd appreciate that.
Sorry
to disappoint......
Town hall, again. How shocking that you would pull from that far right wing fake news site.
I’ll beat you to it.....
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Townhall does not list itself as a news site or otganization. It is a website for posting conservative Opinion. The opinion columnists range from typical mainstream conservatives to libertarians
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It also seems to be a good website for racist conservatives like Crocker.
So Black libertarian commentators Dr Thomas Sowell, Dr Walter Williams, Larry Elder, and conservatives like Star Parker,
Or Vijay Jayaraj and Dinesh De Souza from India
Are these racists?
I wonder if they would consider Alveda King to be a racist?
De Souza most definitely is a racist moron.
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I'm surprised you didn't mention Ben Carson. He belongs to a racially segregated superstitious sect.
And here's a Trump supporter who says that because of Trump she now feels free to let her inner racist out:
Usually the far left doesn’t call people of color racists but then for you all conservatives are sub human regardless of color
and D’Souza has proven himself to be far brighter than you and most leftists. He's a great American
That's a rather moronic comment given that everyone has racist tendencies. The difference is that all the white supremacists today have gathered in the GOP since that's the socially conservative party and that was the party which employed the racist "southern strategy" to deliberately corral racist voters into the party. No wonder the KKK applauded the nomination and election of the racist King of the Birthers.
Exactly.
The truth is that the the evangelicals became active in politics after decades of inactivity by choice compared to mainline Protestants in 1976 in support of one of their own, Jimmy Carter. They carried almost the whole south for the democrats, undoing the effects of GOP growth there due to migration of Republicans from the rust belt to the Sun belt over the prior decades. The democrat party establishment treated him and them shabbily and the evangelicals became disappointed with Carter over time. Between the shabby treatment and the disappointment the evangelicals turned from Carter to Reagan and a lot of Reagan democrats switched to the GOP. That’s what made the south Republican, not a bunch of racist democrats joining the party of Lincoln and Eisenhower.
Oh, that just cant be right.
According to many Democrats, the Southern Democrats all switched parties and would have never voted for a Democrat again.
Must have just been a fluke, and of course, again when Clinton won.
And it wasn’t until 2000 that West Virginia and Arkansas went over to the GOP. Al Gore would have been President had he won his own home state, Tennessee as Clinton did or won Arkansas which was Clinton’s home state, or West Virginia where his anti gun rights stance finished him. Al Gore rejected both the Clinton record and the south as a region when he ran in 2000.
Of course they are. Everyone who doesn't agree with some people are bigots, racists, white supremacist, deplorable and any number of other things that are symptoms of that mental disorder some people suffer from.
Yep. We have to be what progressives want us to be or we are every slur of theirs under the sun. Check out my most recent seed by David Limbaugh that describes this identity crap and American greatness denial really well.
You have posted this several times. What are your racist tendencies?...and be honest
Southern born caucasian heterosexuals of any denomination of Christianity?
Heck, not even all of them voted for the racist King of the Birthers.
The bitter clingers holding to their bibles and their guns joined with the deplorables in making Donald Trump your President too. Enjoy!
You claim to love the USA and yet revel in the fact that the Scumbag-a-Mar-a-Lago and his filthy cohort have dragged this country into the sewer with them.
I don’t just claim to love America. I do. As for scum, we kicked that out of the White House on Jan. 20, 2017 and prevented more of it from entering it on Nov. 8, 2016.
"Deplorable Clingers" would be a great name for a band in a red state.
Ah yes, the supreme condescending arrogance of the progressive left from their elitist bi coastal ivory towers toward Heartland America continues non stop.
Here it is several days later and she still has not answered the question, yet she answered yours. It is obvious she hit the nail on the head.
The crickets 🦗 🦗 are chirping away.
And still no answer. They took their unfounded cheap shot and ran away with their tails between their legs.
Townhall falls within accepted guidelines
Townhall
Has this Media Source failed a fact check?
I am glad they do since I listen to their top of the hour news when listening to the radio.
Because we don’t do that and because we deny the legitimacy of that site as a valid fair and balanced rating service. See their disclaimer.
I've never heard them, but they have it right about this. Cuomo is an asshole and a dumb asshole at that. Maybe not quite as dumb as his brother, but certainly as dumb as his father. His father said about the same thing that that he did back in the 80's.
You mentioned Thomas Sowell. When we choose black people to listen to, we choose smart people and here's one smart man. I guess he's racist as well, since he doesn't agree with some people.
Here's the polar opposite:
Dumb as a brick.
Thomas Sowell on The Effects of Victimology
Great post. I’ve been reading his works from 1980 until he retired recently. A great thinker. Thomas Sowell is a great American.
That certainly is no surprise and explains why we have to spend so much time correcting all the false statements that accompany every one of your articles and comments.
I don’t seed top of the hour radio news broadcasts from either Town Hall, Fox Radio News, or SRN the Christian Radio news service here.
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That's funny, being judged by a Liberal from up north, living in the most liberal city in North Carolina by far having been infiltrated by a bunch of Liberals. The people who live in Greensboro think they have a bunch of illegals in their city now who have escaped the horrendous taxes they were paying and bringing all their Liberal ideas with them. It's kind of like that polling outfit in Raleigh who is a Democrat outfit.
Public Policy Polling
Public Policy Polling ( PPP ) is a U.S. Democratic [1] polling firm based in Raleigh , North Carolina . [2] [3] [4] PPP was founded in 2001 by businessman Dean Debnam, the firm's current president and chief executive officer . [5]
In addition to political issues, the company has polled the public on topics such as the approval rating of God, [6] whether Republican voters believe President Obama would be eligible to enter heaven in the event of the Rapture , [7] whether hipsters should be subjected to a special tax for being annoying, [8] and whether Ted Cruz is the Zodiac Killer . [9] [10]
Of course many sheep fall right in line.
It’s great to debunk the legitimacy of that rating agency as anything resembling objective or fair.
So does American Thinker and yet that doesn’t protect articles from there from being censored by the NT algorithm.
.....it was inevitable that one of them would not only attack Trump but would also attack the nation and the American citizens with their anti-American, hate-Trump line of crap.
So yesterday New York Governor Cuomo, in an attempt to undermine and make fun of Trump’s Make American Great Again slogan, stated that America was “never that great”. Even many people in his audience seemed to react negatively to this idiotic statement.
So now the forces aligned against Trump are out in the open and are not only speaking against their political opponent, but have been outed as actually hating America, its wealth and its success in a world full of failing, s**thole governments. So now we know it’s true that Barack Obama really did intend to undermine all that America stood for with his intent to Fundamentally Transform America, because America never was that great in Obama’s and Cuomo’s minds, and in the minds of every Democrat political leader shooting their mouths off in criticism of America on an hourly basis.
Governor Cuomo can forget his plans to become president now that his true beliefs have been expressed. One of the spokespersons for the party of Antifa, sanctuary cities, Occupy Wall Street, Socialism, anti-Capitalism, Black Lives Matter and other lesser haters of America, has spoken from the heart..... https://www.conservativedailynews.com/2018/08/governor-cuomo-has-bitten-off-more-than-he-can-eschew/
Lets see here. From the decades passed John Birch Society to modern day 'conservatism' to the rise of the MAGA phenomenon the right wing has always screamed that America is in decline, facing financial ruin, one step away from moral decay and on the abyss of utter failure.
So here in 2018 with the GOP controlling the majority of the statehouses, increasing influence in the judicial branches, ample control of the government and Donald J. Trump in the White House the conservatives continue to whine about "The Late--Great America."
Of course this will never happen, but if the conservatives are truly worried about America's fate perhaps they would do everyone, including themselves a great patriotic favor and simply take a hike.
Cuomo's comment? Whatever. Most hedge fund dudes would strongly disagree. The families of America's 'Saturday Night Lynching' victims may have another perspective. The premise of this article is 'fluff and chaff' for those who deservedly require it.
What has made America Great has been our government and our people. What makes our American government so great is the system was set up to be governed by the people cooperating and compromising to find solutions to our problems. IMO: Until we as a nation get back to that point I honestly believe we really will never really be a great nation again.
IMO: Great nations don’t destroy themselves from within like America seems to be doing, Our own politicians and media have divided us up for their own power and profit and we the people have turned over our nation to whomever has or can raise enough money to get elected instead of people who actually want to cooperate together and compromise when necessary to solve this nations problems, All I can say is Good luck to America because unfortunately, I dont see this changing.
Meanwhile the people who buy the politicians and the politicians reap the rewards sit back in their ivory towers drinking Champaign eating caviar and laughing at their pawns as they watch us fight, watch nascar and foooootball.
WTF about that makes America so damn Great ?
IMO: Not much these days because many other nations also constantly fight over power and control from within and divide their people up for power, profit and control.
I hope my other article by the African American woman whose ancestors were slaves changes your mind.
Good article and I agree with her primus, However I see America at this time somewhat less than great maybe even less great than some years ago. Not to bash trump, but when I dont feel I can trust the people running the government Have a hard time thinking that is great.
So why did we still believe America was great even in 1993 and 2009 when democrats controlled everything? Why do conservatives love the country unconditionally while others tie their love of the country as a whole to whether they get their way in the last election or not?
Of course I can only speak for myself. Personally I've always been glad to be born in America I really do believe that because of our constitution we were set up to be the greatest a country could be, However, I've always had reservations about just how great we are and have been.
Just Considering how white people took over this land and it's kinda hard to be really "Proud" of that. For a beginning. IMO: That's not too great.
So considering America being Great wasn't really where I ever was America is wonderful, the freedom we have here to be what we desire to be is great, the constitution is a great piece of laying down the bones of a truly unique and wonderful way of governing, Unfortunately this day and age with the money going into the elections at the level it does the money is almost more important to the politicians than are our votes. IMO: that sure isn't too damn great.
America could be great but right now in my opinion we still have a ways to go, Will we get there? Who knows, but bullying and pushing out way up to what one man considers Great I doubt was ever the intentions of the founding fathers anyway. I wonder just how great many of them would rate America today ?
I see many conservative who IMO: have abandoned their conservative financial beliefs to hop on the trump band wagon I dont consider that loving their country unconditionally.
I think perhaps you may be mis interpreting some people words and actions as not loving the country when they are actually doing what they believe is best.
That's how I look at trump, obama, bush and even clinton, each one was really doing what THEY believed was the best for the country, I think each one of us citizens (well most of us) are the same way, We all want what's best for America we just totally disagree on what that is or how to get it.
I completely agree with your last paragraph in full.
Thanks, HA one out a three aint bad. lol
So why did we still believe America was great even in 1993 and 2009 when democrats controlled everything? Why do conservatives love the country unconditionally while others tie their love of the country as a whole to whether they get their way in the last election or not?
America's greatness is in it's ideals, not always in the execution of those ideals.
The very founding document of independence states, "all men are created equal", but practically did not include women or non whites. Is the ideal great? Sure, but the practice has been sporadic. The "gains" that have been made were often hard fought. There are still many problems associated with the achievement of "equality". Now we talk about "income inequality" which is a basic economic issue. The ideals of America are never achieved once and for all, there is always more to do.
Raising all people’s econmic boats is the ideal. Income equality has nothing to do with that. As long as we can raise everyone who is participating in the economy’s standard of living to be more comfortable, it doesn’t dent matter the distance between the middle class and the top 1/10 of the top 1% ultra rich. The people who advicate for more economic equality even if it makes the poor slightly less well off than they are now are fools.
This is an interesting paragraph. In an article which is decrying a sort of hysteria , this paragraph displays a level of hysteria itself.
Were Lee's soldiers "Nazis" ? No, but they did fight on behalf of an evil societal system of an evil government (CSA). Sorry if that hurts your feelings, but it is the fact. Did soldiers in "blue" massacre natives? Of course they did. Is this article expecting to seriously argue otherwise? I wouldn't say that American women today struggle against a colonial patriarchy, but there obviously is some gender based discrimination against women, particularly in popular perceptions. But it is the claim in the paragraph that Trump really is a "stable genius" ,who is misinterpreted and misunderstood, that really cements the silly effect of the seeded article.
Trump is doing much better than his detractors thought he could and has done a very good job so far as the president of all the people.