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US Aid, Palestinian Wakaha

  

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Via:  buzz-of-the-orient  •  6 years ago  •  13 comments

US Aid, Palestinian Wakaha

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Buzz of the Orient
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1  seeder  Buzz of the Orient    6 years ago

The NERVE of the USA cutting off some of its aid for the Palestinians, who provide NO benefit to the USA, DEMONIZE the USA, and use the money to pay terrorists to murder Israelis.

 
 
 
Enoch
Masters Quiet
1.1  Enoch  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1    6 years ago

Dear Friend Buzz: Funding the "Pay for Slay" campaign is immoral.

It is good that funding is redirected.

Mr. Abbas and his predecessor, Chazir Arafat had decades to accept all the offers of land for peace from Israel.

Abu Mazzin now presides over a failed national liberation movement.

A victim to his own bombast, he is locked into going down with a reverse George Washington of his country legacy.

This is of his own doing.

He is not the Father of his country.

He and Arafat prevented their own people from having their own country.

What goes around comes around.

Waiting too long means an irreversible lack of self determination for his own people.

Tick tock, tick tock.

Time to take what he can salvage, and let his successors through total recognition of and peaceful co-existence with Israel as a Jewish State with Jerusalem as its undivided Capitol be the pathway for the successful implementation of a two state solution with defensible borders for both.

We know that isn't going to take place.

Pity.

Everyone should have a safe secure land in which to call their own shots.

His people need to do a better job of electing a government which represents the best interests of their people.

Running ever failing attempts of exterminating a stronger nation will not do.

It is the wrong side of history.

Peace, Abundant Blessings, Safety and Freedom for All.

Enoch.    

 
 
 
Ronin2
Professor Quiet
2  Ronin2    6 years ago
Palestinian position stems from a belief that the international community, specifically the Americans and Europeans, were responsible for the establishment of Israel in 1948 at the cost of the Palestinians. This position was best echoed by Abbas himself, who has said that Israel is a "colonial project" imposed on the Palestinians by Western powers.

Uh, actually they are right- as anyone that has studied history can attest.

Sykes-Picot Agreement , also called Asia Minor Agreement , (May 1916), secret convention made during World War I between Great Britain and France , with the assent of imperial Russia , for the dismemberment of the Ottoman Empire . The agreement led to the division of Turkish-held Syria , Iraq , Lebanon , and Palestine into various French- and British-administered areas. Negotiations were begun in November 1915, and the final agreement took its name from its negotiators, Sir Mark Sykes of Britain and François Georges-Picot of France.

Its provisions were as follows: (1) Russia should acquire the Armenian provinces of Erzurum , Trebizond ( Trabzon ), Van , and Bitlis , with some Kurdish territory to the southeast; (2) France should acquire Lebanon and the Syrian littoral, Adana , Cilicia , and the hinterland adjacent to Russia’s share, that hinterland including Aintab, Urfa, Mardin , Diyarbakır , and Mosul ; (3) Great Britain should acquire southern Mesopotamia, including Baghdad , and also the Mediterranean ports of Haifa and ʿAkko (Acre); (4) between the French and the British acquisitions there should be a confederation of Arab states or a single independent Arab state, divided into French and British spheres of influence; (5) Alexandretta ( İskenderun ) should be a free port; and (6) Palestine, because of the holy places, should be under an international regime.

This secret arrangement conflicted in the first place with pledges already given by the British to the Hāshimite dynast Ḥusayn ibn ʿAlī , sharif of Mecca , who was about to bring the Arabs of the Hejaz into revolt against the Turks on the understanding that the Arabs would eventually receive a much more important share of the fruits of victory. It also excited the ambitions of Italy , to whom it was communicated in August 1916, after the Italian declaration of war against Germany, with the result that it had to be supplemented, in April 1917, by the Agreement of Saint-Jean-de-Maurienne , whereby Great Britain and France promised southern and southwestern Anatolia to Italy. The defection of Russia from the war canceled the Russian aspect of the Sykes-Picot Agreement, and the Turkish Nationalists’ victories after the military collapse of the Ottoman Empire led to the gradual abandonment of its projects for Anatolia. The Arabs , however, who had learned of the Sykes-Picot Agreement through the publication of it, together with other secret treaties of imperial Russia, by the Soviet Russian government late in 1917, were scandalized by it, and their resentment persisted despite the modification of its arrangements for the Arab countries by the Allies’ Conference of San Remo in April 1920.

Then there is the Balfour Declaration

ZIONISM

Britain’s acknowledgement and support of Zionism , and Zionism’s focus on establishing a Jewish homeland in Palestine , emerged from growing concerns about the direction of World War I .

By mid-1917, Britain and France were mired in a virtual stalemate with Germany on the Western Front , while efforts to defeat Turkey on the Gallipoli Peninsula had failed spectacularly.

On the Eastern Front, the fate of one ally, Russia, was uncertain: The Russian Revolution in March had toppled Czar Nicholas II , and the Russian government was struggling against widespread opposition to the country’s disintegrating war effort against Germany and Austria-Hungary.

Although the United States had just entered the war on the Allied side, a sizable infusion of American troops was not scheduled to arrive on the continent until the following year.

Against this troubling backdrop, the government of Prime Minister David Lloyd George—elected in December 1916—made the decision to publicly support Zionism, a movement led in Britain by Chaim Weizmann, a Russian Jew who had settled in Manchester, England.

The motives behind this decision were various: First, a genuine belief in the righteousness of the Zionist cause was held by Lloyd George and many other influential leaders. Additionally, Britain’s leaders hoped that a formal declaration in favor of Zionism would help gain Jewish support for the Allies in neutral countries, in the United States and especially in Russia, where the anti-Semitic czarist government had just been overthrown with the help of Russia’s Jewish population.

Finally, despite Britain’s earlier agreement with France dividing influence in the region after the presumed defeat of the Ottoman Empire , Lloyd George had come to see British dominance in Palestine—a land bridge between the crucial territories of India and Egypt—as an essential post-war goal.

The establishment of a Zionist state there—under British protection—would accomplish this goal, while also following the Allied aim of self-determination for smaller nations.

The influence of the Balfour Declaration on the course of post-war events was immediate: According to the “mandate” system created by the Treaty of Versailles of 1919, Britain was entrusted with the temporary administration of Palestine, with the understanding that it would work on behalf of both its Jewish and Arab inhabitants.

Many Arabs, in Palestine and elsewhere, were outraged by their failure to receive the nationhood and self-government they had been led to expect in return for their participation in the war against Turkey. In the years after World War I, the Jewish population in Palestine increased dramatically, along with the instances of Jewish-Arab violence.

The area’s instability led Britain to delay making a decision on Palestine’s future. But in the aftermath of World War II and the terrors of the Holocaust, growing international support for Zionism led to the official declaration in 1948 of the nation of Israel .

Although the United States supported the Balfour Declaration of 1917, which favored the establishment of a Jewish national home in Palestine, President Franklin D. Roosevelt had assured the Arabs in 1945 that the United States would not intervene without consulting both the Jews and the Arabs in that region. The British, who held a colonial mandate for Palestine until May 1948, opposed both the creation of a Jewish state and an Arab state in Palestine as well as unlimited immigration of Jewish refugees to the region. Great Britain wanted to preserve good relations with the Arabs to protect its vital political and economic interests in Palestine.

Soon after President Truman took office, he appointed several experts to study the Palestinian issue. In the summer of 1946, Truman established a special cabinet committee under the chairmanship of Dr. Henry F. Grady , an Assistant Secretary of State, who entered into negotiations with a parallel British committee to discuss the future of Palestine. In May 1946, Truman announced his approval of a recommendation to admit 100,000 displaced persons into Palestine and in October publicly declared his support for the creation of a Jewish state. Throughout 1947, the United Nations Special Commission on Palestine examined the Palestinian question and recommended the partition of Palestine into a Jewish and an Arab state. On November 29, 1947 the United Nations adopted Resolution 181 (also known as the Partition Resolution) that would divide Great Britain’s former Palestinian mandate into Jewish and Arab states in May 1948 when the British mandate was scheduled to end. Under the resolution, the area of religious significance surrounding Jerusalem would remain a corpus separatum under international control administered by the United Nations.

Although the United States backed Resolution 181, the U.S. Department of State recommended the creation of a United Nations trusteeship with limits on Jewish immigration and a division of Palestine into separate Jewish and Arab provinces but not states. The State Department, concerned about the possibility of an increasing Soviet role in the Arab world and the potential for restriction by Arab oil producing nations of oil supplies to the United States, advised against U.S. intervention on behalf of the Jews. Later, as the date for British departure from Palestine drew near, the Department of State grew concerned about the possibility of an all-out war in Palestine as Arab states threatened to attack almost as soon as the UN passed the partition resolution.

Despite growing conflict between Palestinian Arabs and Palestinian Jews and despite the Department of State’s endorsement of a trusteeship, Truman ultimately decided to recognize the state Israel.

As I have stated repeatedly the US should withdraw from the ME- so scaling down aid to the Palestinians doesn't bother me. We don't need them; their constant headaches; their resources; or the drain they put on us financially. That being said; anyone pretending that the Palestinians didn't get a raw deal in the colonialization hasn't studied history.

Note: I have not support the Palestinians since the late 80's early 90's, they have had their chances and blown it. Until they remove their corrupt governments in the West Bank and Gaza Strip and unify; they will never be on strong enough footing to hope to negotiate any lasting peace. Nor, do I support Israel that has done everything in their power to keep the Palestinians divided both politically and geographically. Accomplished with the massive assistance of US tax payer dollars and military aid. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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2.1  seeder  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Ronin2 @2    6 years ago
"Nor, do I support Israel that has done everything in their power to keep the Palestinians divided both politically and geographically."

Prove that bullshit.

 
 
 
Cerenkov
Professor Silent
2.1.1  Cerenkov  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2.1    6 years ago

He can't. The US owes the Palestinians nothing but contempt for their barbarism. 

 
 
 
Ronin2
Professor Quiet
2.1.2  Ronin2  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2.1    6 years ago

Prove it? Just look at a map. There is no physical corridor between the West Bank and Gaza Strip.  Travel between the two sections is extremely restricted.  How does Israel expect the PA to rein in Hamas in Gaza when they cannot put a physical presence there? Not that the PA would have the backbone to do it; and if they did they would be replacing once corrupt government with another.

Restricting goods into and out of the West Bank and Gaza strip. Sure, blame Egypt and Jordan.  Both are scared shitless of Israel; they are not going to allow anything in or out that might provoke even the slightest response from Israel. Israel does what it wants, when it wants, militarily speaking. Borders be damned.

Settlements in the West Bank. No country in the world recognizes them as being legal. Yet they are expanded and new ones pop up. Israel blasts the PA for not being more forceful against Hamas. The settlements are the #1 recruiter for Hamas. Hamas forced Israel out of Gaza; the Palestinians in the West Bank have received nothing for their capitulation to Israel.  The PA is now seen as a big of a problem as Israel. They are more interested in keeping iron fisted control; than standing up to Israeli expansion.

The US is not an unbiased partner in negotiations. Israel is the number one beneficiary by far and away of US financial and military aid.  

 
 
 
Ronin2
Professor Quiet
2.1.3  Ronin2  replied to  Cerenkov @2.1.1    6 years ago
Note: I have not support the Palestinians since the late 80's early 90's, they have had their chances and blown it. Until they remove their corrupt governments in the West Bank and Gaza Strip and unify; they will never be on strong enough footing to hope to negotiate any lasting peace.

Apparently you missed this portion of my post. I have nothing against the US cutting all aid to the Palestinians. We are not an unbiased party in the negotiations, and the aid is used as a chain to get the PA to do what the US wants.

As for the Palestinians and their "barbarism". Have you ever met a true Palestinian?  I don't mean watching the PA organized demonstration or Hamas sponsored flag burning, rock hurling, tire fire setting riot. I mean a true Palestinian that went to college in the US; and whose father became a legal US citizen.  One that had a large extended family back in the West Bank and Gaza Strip?  Most Palestinians care about survival- that is it. A steady paycheck, a roof over their heads, and food on the table.  They don't have time to get caught up in anything else. Nor do they have the arms or organization to make the change.

Israel could have defanged Hamas and the PA long ago; but it would have taken a sacrifice they never would make. A unified viable Palestine territory with no settlements; and free trade allowed w/o repercussions to their neighbors.

But yes, you are correct the PA and Hamas are barbarians that don't care about their people, or their suffering. That much I will agree with you on. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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2.1.5  seeder  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Ronin2 @2.1.2    6 years ago

Instead of blaming Israel for not joining together lands that have two different "governments", the West Bank and Gaza (after all, did Israel separate them?), a problem Israel never caused, why don't you come up with a viable solution?  Personally, I like "The Jordan Option":

But even before I knew about The Jordan Option, I dreamed up a solution myself. I thought that Israel and Egypt should contribute lands contiguous to Gaza, carved out of the Sinai, that would be equal to the West Bank, and move all the West Bank and East Jerusalem Palestinians there who did not want to remain in a Jewish State, with Israel taking over the lands that were dedicated to the Jews by the 1922 Mandate. Provided the governing body of the New Palestine would give up their dedication to wipe Israel off the map, all Palestine would have Mediterranean access, could make it the Riviera of the Arab world.  Sure it would cost a lot, just as The Jordan Option would, but it would be worth it for the whole world to pay for in order to end the conflict and the unending high aid cost.

So instead of finding things to blame Israel for, just as most of the world blames Israel for everything from the earthquakes to the eclipse of the sun, think of a solution to the problem.  After all:

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Buzz of the Orient
Professor Expert
2.1.6  seeder  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Ronin2 @2.1.3    6 years ago

The Palestinian and Gaza citizens, if not soaked in Jew-hating Israel-bashing propaganda from birth are NOT bad people, but those who want to normalize relations are demonized, Palestinian journalists who try to tell it like it is are imprisoned, and terrorists are rewarded.  My son was a counselor for two years at the Seeds of Peace Camp in Maine, where Palestinian and Israeli children were bunked together in cabins. At first the Palestinian kids were fearful, and hateful, and by the end of the camp program were hugging and kissing each other and promising to write and visit each other.  That could have been the result in Israel and the territories, but for the corruption of the PA and Hamas, and their need to keep the conflict going for their own ends.

 
 
 
Skrekk
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2.1.7  Skrekk  replied to  Ronin2 @2.1.3    6 years ago
Israel could have defanged Hamas and the PA long ago

Note that Hamas was largely created by Israel to counter the PLO.    Without Israel's meddling and its money, Hamas wouldn't exist.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Expert
2.1.8  seeder  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Skrekk @2.1.7    6 years ago

Largely created? LOL. You exaggerate with intent to discredit Israel - no surprise to me. Israel may have helped Hamas' prececessor for good reasons until it turned vicious and against Israel.  Being known here as a movie buff, I will quole Steve McQueen in The Magnificent Seven: "It seemed like a good idea at the time." Many nations, including the USA, probably look back to many examples of well-intentioned acts being turned against them.

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Silent
4  charger 383    6 years ago

They should not be given any of US taxpayers money

 
 

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