Cherokee Nation calls Elizabeth Warren's DNA test "inappropriate and wrong"
S E E D E D C O N T E N T
Massachusetts senator and possible presidential hopeful Elizabeth Warren released results of a DNA test she says proves she has some Native American heritage. President Trump has mocked Warren's ancestry claims and derisively referred to her as Pocahontas .
The Cherokee Nation has criticized Warren's announcement, saying her use of a DNA test is "useless" for determining tribal citizenship and that using a DNA test to determine connection to any tribal nation is "inappropriate and wrong."
Warren released a campaign-style video that tries to directly address questions about her heritage. It's a controversy that has dogged Warren since she first ran for the Senate six years ago, and this new push is just the latest sign she's already actively preparing to run for president in 2020, reports CBS News correspondent Ed O'Keefe.
Still, President Trump didn't back down from his attacks on Warren Monday, saying, "What's the percentage -- one one thousandth?"
Warren enlisted a Stanford University DNA researcher for the test who in her video said, "The facts suggest that you absolutely have a Native American ancestor in your pedigree."
The report suggests Warren has just a trace of Native American heritage, but she first publicly identified as Native American in the 1980s. The controversy has made Warren an irresistible target for the president, who repeatedly has called her Pocahontas.
The biographical video comes after Warren said she would look at running for president, setting her up as an early 2020 opponent for the president, who is already practicing for a match-up.
In July, the president said, "We will say I will give you a million dollars to your favorite charity, paid for by Trump, if you take the test and it shows you're an Indian."
Warren wants the president to make good on that bet, tweeting he should "send the check" to charity. But Mr. Trump imposed some conditions Monday.
"I'll only do it if I can test her personally, and that will not be something I will enjoy doing either," he said.
Warren criticized the president's response with a storm of 28 tweets Monday, calling him "a bully that scares easy."
And now...for the other side of the coin....
Granted, Trump's response is juvenile...Warren's claim is right there in the same playground.
Yeah but it just doesn't matter to the Alt-Left.
Most of them only respect minorities when it is beneficial to them.
Warren is just another typical politician who will exploit anything to enrich herself, shocker huh?
But what's a little stolen privilege if it furthers your socialist ideas eh?
I'd like to see that family tree showing the lineage that she claims....
Well, she does have "high cheekbones" and she did submit recipes to a cookbook. Too bad she plagiarized them and got caught:
I actually found a piece regarding her lineage
So the right seem to be claiming with this bullshit seed that the Cherokee Nation rejects Warrens DNA test. But they don't reject it, they don't claim its not valid, all they say is "useless" for determining tribal citizenship and that using a DNA test to determine connection to any tribal nation is "inappropriate and wrong."
I don't know about you, but I'm able to tell the difference between saying that a DNA test shows a person has native American heritage versus claiming the DNA proves someone is Cherokee or any other tribe. She hasn't claimed that, the researchers never claimed that, all they claimed was that based on her DNA she has 12 times more Native American DNA than the average American. Her ancestors were also from Oklahoma where some of the largest Cherokee populations lived. So the fact is that a family story, backed up by DNA and family location, mean Warren almost certainly has Cherokee blood in her.
But all this is pointless, meaningless and idiotic to continue to complain about or debate. Warren wasn't out announcing her family heritage while running for office, some dick holes tried to use decades old drivel against her because they're ideologically opposed to both strong women and progressive policies. Then they showed their racist underbellies by stupidly calling her "Pocahontas". You really can't get more idiotic and mundane than the feckless Republicans trying to bully women and fellow citizens.
"She hasn't claimed that"
The Boston Herald reported that Warren had previously been touted in the 1990s by officials at Harvard Law School, where she was a tenured professor, as an example of the faculty’s diversity. That led to the revelation that Warren — citing only anecdotal evidence — claimed to be part Cherokee and Delaware Indian , and had listed herself as a minority in a directory of law professors from 1986 until 1995.
Where the "Fork tongue" have you been hibernating ?
Reality is hard for some on the left.
They compulsively need to pretend she wasn't advertising herself as a minority in legal directories and never mention hat Harvard billed her as their first woman of color law professor.
The "Left" is "Long Memory" handicapped. Only the "Short" works with them.
I guess reading comprehension wasn't one of your strong suits.
I said "I don't know about you, but I'm able to tell the difference between saying that a DNA test shows a person has native American heritage versus claiming the DNA proves someone is Cherokee or any other tribe. She hasn't claimed that, the researchers never claimed that, all they claimed was that based on her DNA she has 12 times more Native American DNA than the average American."
Warren, as I said, never claimed the DNA test proves she's Cherokee. She's not applying for tribal citizenship.
The headline is EXTREMELY misleading as the Cherokee Nation did not say that the DNA tests were simply "inappropriate or wrong". The article clearly states "The Cherokee Nation has criticized Warren's announcement, saying her use of a DNA test is "useless" for determining tribal citizenship and that using a DNA test to determine connection to any tribal nation is "inappropriate and wrong."
So using the DNA test to attempt to "determine connection" to any specific "tribal nation" is "inappropriate and wrong".
But leave it to partisan half-wits, bigots and those with poor reading comprehension to completely screw up and misconstrue their actual statement.
You used a "Comma" between She and Researchers..... !
"She hasn't claimed that, the researchers never claimed that, all they claimed was that based on her DNA she has 12 times more Native American DNA than the average American."
In fact....the 12 times more than any other average American was flat out wrong also !
Oh but she has, In her own words.
I know how much you two want to be right, but you're intentionally avoiding my actual statement or have such horrendous reading comprehension you'd have difficulty reading an Exit sign.
I said: " saying that a DNA test shows a person has native American heritage versus claiming the DNA proves someone is Cherokee or any other tribe . She hasn't claimed that, the researchers never claimed that, all they claimed was that based on her DNA she has 12 times more Native American DNA than the average American."
So what hasn't she claimed based on that statement? She hasn't claimed that the " DNA proves someone is Cherokee or any other tribe ", and neither do those who administered the test.
From the actual study of her DNA:
"The total length of Native American segments observed in the individual is greater than the
average value for the reference individuals — by 12.4-fold (corresponding to 12.7 standard deviations) for the individuals from Great Britain and 10.5-fold (corresponding to 4.9 standard deviations) for the individuals from Utah."
"Conclusion. While the vast majority of the individual’s ancestry is European, the results strongly support
the existence of an unadmixed Native American ancestor in the individual’s pedigree , likely in the range of 6-10 generations ago."
I assume you two know what "12.4 fold" means, right? Or is that too presumptive?
Fold: suffix -
She's worse than she claims. Talk about shooting one's self in the foot.
Hell, I have more "Native American" in me than she does, according to the "Experts"...…… and I wouldn't even consider marking something like that on an application for ANYTHING !
LOL. After reading that It made me think of this post I did yesterday, I thought you might get a kick out of it. So: here’s what someone said and my reply post.
she's invoking the "one drop rule"
LOL… True.
My dad would have had a cow if I pulled that, he’d have paid me but he sure wouldn’t have been happy about it !! …LOL
My dad taught me probably one of the cheapest lessons ever learned when I was about 9 years old about gambling. I had bet him.. MY BET… He won ! He took every cent I had in savings, that was my bet.
And told me son "Don't bet if your not sure what your betting on and if your not darn sure you are right....OUCH
LOL possibly the cheapest lesson of my life. LOL
Ya gotta read what Trump actually said before doing the "Mic Drop" thingy ! People seem to leave a certain part out of Trumps challenge.
I'm not defending either side.
I do think trump did not specify any specifics of his bet but/and this is all BS anyway.
Long ago I stopped taking the president at his word. He'll say pretty much anything he thinks will advance his agenda. I believe he calls it "Negotiating".....lol
24/7/365
But he actually did. The MSM likes to leave that part out of their "Reporting".
As far as the BS part on all this " I am " stuff......... I AGREE !
Well I doubt that's where I heard anything myself as I dropped cable long ago and do not get nor watch MSM. Or CNN for that matter, I d still get my local Fox news though.
I dont know for sure, I dont remember if I saw him say it ,what he did , and like I said I'm not defending either. That's one of the best parts of the position I've taken these days unfortunately I don't have many people I do defend for anything.
"News" isn't "News" anymore. It's just "Politically driven Commercials" now.
Yes sir !
Real NEWS died when it went 24/7/365 and they couldn't fill the time, instead Commentaries" were born and thrive. 24/7/365
Ain't technology GREAT ?
LOL
Yeah In my opinion it really is.
I like the modern world in many ways. The fact that I can punch in any question and instantly learn and hopeful answer my exact question, that has never been so readily available to not only me but all of us if we want it.
the advancements in medical alone are fantastic.
of course as with anything in life ya have the bad with the good.
I may be one lucky duck but I've always been happy I was born where and when I was.
The idiot waited until 3 weeks before the mid-terms and thought it would give her an edge in the large Dem pool for 2020. Another big mistake is that she used a private company instead of a well-known company ... and a tester who has ties to one of the universities where she worked.
Liberalisms "Flavor of the Year" !
But she thinks she did good. That's what's important.....to HER !
Now this is an interesting article ...from a Native American Woman:
Blame the school system for their PC teachings now. When I went to school …….. Not meaning to be derogatory......but EVERYTHING "Cowboys and Indians" was taught. The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly !
You had a good school, Our history class usually started out more like "Yesterday....."
That's true...but Warren is definitely old enough to have been taught the same lessons.
People who attempt to make her claim a 'better than Trump' campaign are going to find themselves in the same dreary hole.
Weird thing is, I went to "Catholic Grade/High School" . Even had a Priest that put forth that the "Moses parting the sea" thing could have really been a low tide in certain areas of the Red Sea.
Those were the days when ALL sides were told.
Is it just me, or are the "Liberal" politicians like "Spartacus", "Pocahontas", "Crying Chuck", and "Sore Loser Hillary" really trying harder than usual to "Dumb things down" and sound like "whiney Children" ?
"Spartucus" was my fav. !
"I'M GONNA DO IT...… I SWEAR I WILL......I'M GONNA"...….. I'LL DO IT !
I have a feeling it was about the same time frame, But we weren't even told how shitty our education really was back then either.... so....
I shouldn't complain too much, we had nothing else where I grew up either. Corn fields and baseball fields though as far as the eye could see.
Might be because it wasn't. If you get the three R's first and foremost ……. then...….. both sides of an argument ……. that....in my mind.....is a good education. At least that's what I got in my day anyway. The three R's came first, every fucking time.
No unfortunately it wasn't. as I got older and learned more I could see I did Not get as well educated as many others were around me. I went back to community colleges to further my education on my own even.
To this day My spelling is horrible, my math skills are minimal, my lack of knowledge of history is almost sickening and I never could do a lick of algebra.
We did have a great auto mechanics curriculum and every teacher's car in the school ran like a top. But take away my spell check, and you probably couldn't read this post.
No shit, I dont call what I got a good education, I call it they got by.
Trump's playground name calling makes him and his supporters the juvenile whiney children.
So you're saying that your worldview and opinions are ill informed?
As you can probably see I have been educated by others and myself probably somewhat past that point. Thru the education I’ve had and 60 yeas of living and moving up in the world I’d say at this point I feel fairly competent of what I believe and how I see reality in the world.
At this point I’d consider my world views and my opinions of it as well informed as many others I interact with.
If liberals can say what they want to say, so can EVERYONE ELSE !
What a dummy. She was getting sympathy from the Trump haters for being called Pocahontas but now she looks like a fool.
Uh, no.
Yup, would have been better served to ignore Him.
Exactly...she knew the results and released them anyways....not too bright.
This is possibly the least intelligent drama of our current political realm. Trump relentlessly mocks Warren over a bit of family lore that was passed down to her from her mother. He uses this pathetic bit of ‘controversy’ to establish a derogatory nickname (though Pocahontas herself is hardly a derogatory person in history), because her background is clean as a whistle (particularly compared to Trump’s maggot infested filthy background.) Then he goads her to take a dna test, complete with a million dollar prize, which she rightly ignored at the time because it was such a disgraceful attack in the first place. Trump continues to hammer the issue ad nauseum, like a fucking nine year old playground bully to his deplorable base of morons. Only then does she make a move to shut his dumb ass up once and for all on his salacious lie, and to put his money where his mouth is, and snowflakes respond negatively. It’s an embarrassing time to be an American.
Maggot infested?
Jesus, I thought I did not care for Him:)
You can’t even compare Donald Trump to Elizabeth Warren. There is nothing in common whatsoever. Morally speaking, it’s like comparing the color black to the color white.
Actually Hal, you can. They're both politicians hence they both lie.
Name a Warren lie. I’ll wait.
Obviously, somewhere, you lost your sense of humor.
I'll wait 'til you find it again.
That’s an odd sense of humor. Warren has spent much of her life as an honest public servant, which is something to be celebrated. Your ‘joke’ is like comparing your neighbor to a rapist on the basis that they are both men.
Actually, no - I'm comparing politician vs politician. Sure, there are actually some politicians who are not liars and there are some who are devote liars. Similar to the phrase that all attorney's are liars when, in fact, some are and some aren't.
Wanna donut?
There's a certain truth to your post...however, the childishness continues...this woman says it best :
She should start by deleting her Facebook account. Facebook is a totally unnecessary evil. Nobody needs that garbage in their life.
I'm embarrassed for right wingers. They are required to defend Donald Trump, which is not humanly possible.
It is actually fairly obvious what inspired Elizabeth Warren, her family had a "lore" that they passed down that there was Indian heritage in their family tree. It appears they may have have exaggerated it a little to one another, as family lore sometimes does. She thought, based on family lore that she could publicly say "I'm part Indian".
Most sane people would say something like "Ok, that's nice", and move on to something more important. But the right wing used her uncertainty as a weapon against her.
What the DNA test proves is that there was some truth to her family lore. That is by far the most important result of this story. It wasn't made up (as Trump was surely implying).
This is a non story, it's always been a non story, except for the fact that there are a bunch of idiotic right wingers running around in public.
Let's investigate every scintilla of Trump's background the way they want to microscopically examine Warren.
How many right wingers are up for that horror show?
The only reason it’s a story is because Warren has a pristine background. They got nuthin. I wanted Warren to run in 2016 specifically because of her honesty and transparency. We got the polar opposite in Trump.
It wasn't such a non story that you seeded it yesterday...
Of course you got the polar opposite. But, Warren is a Democrat and the ONLY PATHETIC offering the Democrats had for the 2016 election - lost.
But John, the Democrats have already tried to do that (and are still doing so). If you don't want the technique to come around, don't start it going around. Any method used to blacken the character of a political opponent will, in the end, come back to bite the originator of that method in the ass.
US media has been incredibly kind to Donald Trump. There is substantial evidence that he is a criminal. A responsible media would be pushing that every day.
Strange that no one else has seen such evidence. If you have a source that no one else knows about, perhaps you should call the Attorney General's office and offer it to them. There is a big difference between unsupported allegations or opinions and actual evidence. I would have thought that everyone would know that after the last few weeks.
The New York Times had a 14,000 word story detailing how Trump conspired with his parents to commit tax fraud. It IS evidence. Much of it, but perhaps not all, is outside the statute of limitations. The Trump family is being investigated in multiple states.
I would add that since he refuses to release his tax returns it is likely that he is continuing to commit tax fraud.
Does anyone read the news any more?
The New York Times is NOT a court. They are a center of the media industry with their own agenda and, all too often when they publish something regarding Trump, they have a tendency to confuse rumors and innuendo with actual evidence. They also tend to blur the line between taking the deductions allowed in the tax code and actual criminal offenses, particularly when the person doing so is not in accordance with their agenda.
Cherokee Nation calls Elizabeth Warren's DNA test "inappropriate and wrong"
Just out of idle curiosity, one would wonder how they feel in regards to Mr. Trump referring to Her continually as Pocahontas?
cms5 is correct in my estimation, both are behaving like children.
Pocahontas was Pottawatomie - not Cherokee.
Oh, so it's okay then?
Ooops - Powhatan - jjjjeeezzzzz.
Did I say that or imply that or dream that????
I meant what I wrote - your problem with that is?????
My thought was what difference would that make, an insult is an insult?
Not attempting to poke you, just curious.
Setting aside the fact that it's childish (but entertaining), I don't think they should be bothered. It serves only to diminish Warren, not Pocahontas.
The juvenile name calling serves only to diminish Trump.
It does that, too, of course.
Good for Warren .. Does this in some way vindicates her for the claim she made as being of Native American descent? words like some evidence and probably makes the findings inconclusive .. doesn't it?
One drop of non-white blood has always been good enough for the racial purity crowd on the right before.
The test only suggest Native American heritage. Not sure why she feels compelled to take a victory lap.
Maybe to shut up the juvenile narcissist who won’t stfu about it?
It doesn't prove anything so why would it shut him up? Only shows she is an embarrassment to the true Native Americans. What an idiot!
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The Native Americans are telling you that...but you know better than them right?
This is a story that was entirely manufactured by Trump Inc. If they want to be butt hurt by Warren’s much pronlonged answer to being relentlessly attacked with a NA racial slur, then I don’t know what to tell them. Perhaps they enjoy NA slurs put on blast throughout the country.
I wonder how many millions of Americans have similar lore in their families? I wonder what the typical Cherokee Nation reaction would be to a stranger sharing that lore with them in line at the bank in friendly conversation? Everyone just needs to stop this ridiculous and shameful shitshow, particularly Donald Trump.
Yup Rump is an idiot.
No it wasn't. At least learn about the origins. It started with her Senate race long before Trump. Only one telling stories is Warren. She prolonged it by releasing the DNA test and proclaiming that this somehow vindicates her. She is as much to blame for the circus. But agree, enough already.
it gives the morons on wingnut radio something to babble on about thru the day to their idiot audience
The statement by the Cherokee nation is not usual at all. Tribes do not accept DNA evidence as proof to the affiliation of that tribe. DNA cannot determine tribal affiliation. I don't believe that Warren was saying that the DNA test proved her to be Cherokee, but to be NA.
As a side note enrollment into the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma is set by tribal law. In the case of the Cherokee Nation there is no blood quantum requirement. In another words the amount of native blood is not a determination or requirement for enrollment into the tribe.
All the nonsense about the percent of native blood Warren has is a exercise in futility, it DOESN"T MATTER.
John Baker the Principal Chief of the Cherokee Nation is 1/32nd Cherokee...That's around 3%...
That is where I have questions … the results seem inconclusive to me, when they state things like 'some evidence' and 'probably'...?
What she should have done (I think) is talk to the Cherokee. They keep pretty good records, as it turns out. DNA can be indicator of Native American ancestry, but not necessarily Cherokee. Furthermore, tribal membership generally isn't dependent on some level of blood relation. It's often more about kinship, and that can develop in multiple ways.
Apparently a lot of white people in the South claim Indian heritage they may or may not actually have.
No, you are not part Cherokee. Why tribal family lore is so common among white people from Oklahoma to Georgia
I have little interest in Senator Warren's ancestry but I saw this and it was too funny not to share
The memes that have appeared on social media since Warren shared her DNA report have been hilarious! She should have waited until after the midterms, because the whole thing backfired on her and the Dems.
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