An end to the shutdown depends entirely on Trump’s hurt feelings
We’re heading into the sixth day of a government shutdown that is just beginning to hurt the 800,000 federal workers who are impacted. Everyone seems dug in to their position. So how does this end?
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Let’s not forget that last week the Senate passed a funding bill that could have easily passed the House, and by all accounts, Trump was ready to sign it. But then Fox News hosts began criticizing him for not demanding funding for a border wall, and like a schoolyard bully who hears the crowd saying “What are ya, a wimp?," he decided that he had to shut down the government or risk humiliation.
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Trump is simply having a trumpertantrum, what he doesn't realize or, refuses to accept is, when Pelosi takes up the hammer on the third she will simply take the bill that came over from the Senate and, have the House vote on it finally and, then return it to the Senate before it goes to Trump and, if he refuses to sign, she has the votes in the House to override his veto.
Do you understand how our system works?
Bills don't pass over between Congresses. No Senate bill will exist when Pelosi is sworn in.
she has the votes in the House to override his veto.
She does? 50 Republicans from the Trumpiest districts in the country are going to vote to override a Trump veto?
And which 20 Republican Senators in the Senate will override a Trump veto?
Donald Trump could stop demanding that his border wall be funded as a rider and just pass continued government funding with clean legislation, but he refuses to do that.
Yeah, I understand it. Do you understand that the House just went Democratic by 40 extra representatives which I believe will give them what they need? The Republicans that are left have to use some logic, yes, their far Rightwing supporters might be angry with them but, the majority of people voted out those Republicans who were challenged by a Democrat this time around, they will consider if voting against Trump in this fight is better for their chances at reelection or, worse and, I think they will come to a decision that it will help their chances in 2020.
Was it written in disappearing ink?
The CR passed by the Senate was an AMENDMENT to a prior appropriations bill and in the most part merely stuck the prior expiration date and inserted a new one. It's in the Congressional Record for all to see. If Pelosi wishes, the EXACT SAME WORDING can be brought to the floor of the House in MINUTES after Pelosi takes the gavel.
It would be pretty hypocritical for McConnell to refuse to take a vote on a CR that HE wrote and that the Senate passed by VOICE VOTE, don't ya think?
As for overriding Trump's veto, who actually thinks he has the gonads to veto? Not I.
Trump is simply having a trumpertantrum, what he doesn't realize or, refuses to accept is, when Pelosi takes up the hammer on the third she will simply take the bill that came over from the Senate and, have the House vote on it finally and, then return it to the Senate before it goes to Trump and, if he refuses to sign, she has the votes in the House to override his veto.
Actually I think a more likely scenario is that after the House voters on it, it will go to the Senate-- where it will die.
It will never even reach the president's desk.
The Senate won't pass it-- so it won't ever even reach the President.
Regardless of the number of potential votes for or against it if the Senate even ever had a chance to vote on it. (Which it won't until 2020 elections).
Why?
Fact: Because McConnell's policy is that when he feels a bill would not be signed by the president, he will not allow it to even come to the floor for a vote!
Trump is under no obligation to sign any spending bill Congress puts forward. Didn't hear any bitching from the left when Obama didn't sign.
It is up to Congress now to come up with a spending bill, or budget, he will sign. Good luck with that.
Seems that some people don't understand that.
Damn, I forced to defend Trump that I hate yet again. But the TDS has gotten to be too much.
There is this nice thing about both Houses right now, the Republicans in the senate are getting tired of Trumps antics and, none of them think the wall is a good political move right now so, they will override any veto of the bill, it will pass.
Its still a republican controlled congress. Trump is forcing the issue because he knows that when the dems take control, his, "wall" funding will never happen. Unfortunately for trump, recent polls show that support for trump wall is very weak.
Besides...trump said that the shutdown is all on him.
And, Ryan and, McConnell have said that the Congress will not officially meet again until after the New Year so, that should tell Trumps supporters what the Republicans think of Trump.
Last I saw on it only about 37% of Americans support the wall, sounds like the Trump base are the only ones who want it.
Exactly, even Republicans in the Senate are saying that the wall is a stupid idea and, that the shutdown was even dumber and, they are looking forward to working with the Democrats on opening the government back up.
Trump isn't there to make a "Living" for himself, like all the other politicians in congress are.
5 billion is a single "Ritz cracker" out of the entire box of political spending in the Washington world of "politics". !
Nah, he's just looking to build up capital for a new hotel in Moscow.
And, Trump won't get that Ritz cracker.
And the Obama's became millionaires while "Running" this country.
Remind me which is worse again ?
That same 5 billion could make life changes of people who would really need it, if spent correctly.
So much for facts. Look up how they made their money, it wasn't for grafting like trump
Like the money in the "I had Sex and/or ruffled a women's panties" fund the Politicians use when they decide to go Rogue ? That would help folks instead of sitting in limbo until a Politician decides to hire a whore ! That little bank account seems to have been around for decades.....but ssssshhhhhh….it's a "Secret stash" we aren't supposed to know about. I wonder what other "Bucks" are stashed for Political perks too ?
Your list reads like an Obama wish list !
The Obamas didn't make their money until AFTER he became president. Since he was such a precious chosen child of the time, which "News" outlet was going to show his dark side ?
NEVER "Diss" the "Golden Chosen One". LMAO !
The why didn't the repubs tag him with the emoluments clause? Because that's not how they made money. Trump on the other hand, is under investigation for profiting from the presidency, which is illegal. Making a profit AS a president is NOT illegal.
Because the "Emoluments Clause" is a bunch of shit in the first place !
It's only used when one side has NOTHING else to use after they lose...…..when they are "Desperate" !
Do you actually think being a "Politician" doesn't have it's own Self serving money grubbing perks that the "Good Ol' Boys" ALWAYS overlook ?
If they decide to actually go for one ....... shouldn't ALL be looked into ?
Bet the State totally fails if that occurs ……… (Like....Totally) ! (LMAO Face)
ODS alert.
You are aware that Obama isn't president anymore, correct?
Doesn't change the "Fact"......does it !
Translation: President Obama never violated it.
Trump has. Many times. Now even his lame inauguration fund is under investigation for...................wait for it.......FRAUD...the only thing trump is good at.
You haven't posted any yet. Besides, pretty sure the article is about trump, not Obama.
And he was actu8ally "Tagged" …... when ?
Or are you gonna say ……. "We have to wait and see" ! [deleted]
"Conjecture" will get most into trouble later on. (eye roll face)
Trump and his crime syndicate are under 17 different investigations....did I mention that it's a republican congress that's doing it?
There ya go......Another "Oh Yea.....we have to wait and see" Moment. LMAO !
Trump put the presidential seal on his own merchandise.. Illegal.
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Really?
I thought Republicans were against building up the deficit? I thought they accused Obama of running it up?-- FAIL
This was a Trump promise, nothing to do with Obama.-- FAIL
Did Obama have a thousand children held in cages at the border? -- FAIL
Did Obama threaten to cut social security because of deficit spending? -- FAIL
Obama already funded this through the stimulus, but states did not use the money. But it WAS a Trump promise. -- partial FAIL
Why would Obama want a membership to "Hair Club for Men"? -- TOTAL FAIL
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Do you think Saudi Arabia would have leased entire floors in Trump Tower for over 50 million dollars, if he wasn't in the Whitehouse ?
Using a question instead of answering a question.
So...… Did Obama "Profit" while in the Whitehouse or not ?
OR...…...
Did he wait to get a paycheck after he left, so he wouldn't be seen as "Emolument Clausing " ? (snicker face)
Like I said.….the Emolument Clause is Crap, to be used against enemies of the "Entrenched Statesmen/women that have been in politics forever !
By the way….when did Republicans Claim "Emolument Clause" when Obama was in office, Like Democrats are doing to Trump ……. Still ?
So it's their fault they are popular and well respected all over the planet?
No one? So I am guess you have talked to all 7 billion people on the planet and confirmed that "no one" knew who they were? Next time just say YOU didn't know who they were and let the other 7 billion speak for themselves....shall we? Thanks!
You lost the argument but still tying to spin it into something it's not. Sad. Besides, you are aware Obama isn't president anymore, right?
Yea, it's called a, "paycheck".
The term you were looking for is, "alternative facts". Speaking of which, it's nice to see that Kellyanne CONway has recovered from the Bowling Green Massacre....that never actually happened.
I swear the definition of the Word "Guilty"..... hasn't been "Changed" yet.
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Still not president anymore. Your attempts at deflection are sad and proof that you cannot defend trump.
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Again you show a lack of knowledge. Research is helpful to you
For sure MrFrost
You realize you are doing nothing but trolling
There is nothing to defend. He's still President.
Your Blame "Conjecture" doesn't do much.
Please do guide me so I can see your direction. (rolling eye face)
Prove it.....as Liberal types say ! (smiley face)
Did you know Obama still isn't president anymore and did you know the article has nothing to do with Obama?
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However, should you quit your trolling, you can find that the fact is that trump never gave the Vets a 10% increase.
No he didn't profit from the white house. If you think he did, show what and where
Because I say it is
Other than his paycheck? No.
Of course you think it is, but only because you have no defense for Trump violating it.
They had no reason to claim it.
I'm sorry, can you tell me which foreign country the Obama's worked with to get Barack elected president? Oh yeah, none of them.
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Such a Lame story put out by the left about Trump.
Maybe the Lefties should actually try running the U.S. Government.....for the United States of America Citizens for a "Real Change" !
They seem to be pre-occupied with everyone else BUT !
And Nancy and Chucky and …… fill in the blank here ……. NEVER violated it !
Remind me when Trump was found "Guilty" again ?
All I see from your types is the crap load of "Guilty" until Proven "Innocent" shit you and other put forth.
Let's hope that doesn't stick, or Every American is Fucked !
Your the BEST ! snort...……...
Correct!
Will do...
Let's take the "way back machine" back a couple years to examine your comments regarding Hillary, shall we?
Let's see...
Looks like America has already bent over and dropped its pants for Trump.
And the "Special Council" told you that ?
So far....all Trump has done has made me....a simple middle class American Citizen...prosperous since he took office. Obamas flat crap did nothing for me.
What a Bitch for the nay sayers huh !
Unless one is a recipient of Government funding to live, then I can see where you think Trump doesn't do ENOUGH for one !
But.....I like "For the Many" ! I'm not one of those folks that likes the "One" to gain OVER the "Many" !
That is a debunked lie about the "tax cuts". Even FoxNews has admitted it was just a giveaway to the wealthy.
You mean like American soy farmers?
Which means you are either a paid Trump supporter or someone that supports him with fingers in your ears and over your eyes.
And the Obama's became millionaires while "Running" this country.
This conversation is about the current shutdown-- and the role of the current President and the Congress.
BTW. Obama is no longer president-- I'm surprised you didn't know that.
Or perhaps you did, and your comment was merely a feeble attempt at derailing the discussion? . . .
(Because that's the favourite tactic when someone is losing an argument-- they try to change the subject!)
In Internet parlance that's referred to as a "derail".
Oh please.
Really??? Then what book were the right wing bloggers purposely misquoting?
"Dreams of my father" and "Audacity of Hope" made him a millionaire before he was a candidate.
Yes, it seems that the Great Budget God, Paul Ryan, has been incapable of passing a budget, which is the REAL reason why we're here today. Ryan the wimp bailed and relied on Turtleman McConnell to pass a CR in the Senate. Then Ryan wimped out after Trump reneged on his agreement to sign the CR.
Good riddance to Ryan and his incompetence.
The House passed a budget on all but 3 departments of government but they can’t get one passed in the Senate because it requires 60 votes and Democrats refuse to agree to any Republican House budget. Once the Pelosi House takes over Republicans will not agree to any leftist Democrat budget and our problem will continue
That's funny LFOD, I thought that we were in a PARTIAL shutdown. I must be wrong because you insist that the Democrats refuse to agree to ANY GOP House budget.
Didn't hear any bitching from the left when Obama didn't sign
Good grief man-- Obama is no longer president-- I'm surprised you didn't know that!
(We're used to stupid comments on NT, but that was especially assinine)
Didn't hear any bitching from the left when Obama didn't sign
Good grief man-- Obama is no longer president-- I'm surprised you didn't know that!
(We're used to stupid comments on NT, but that was especially assinine)
P.S: While you're at it,...any words of wisdom about what Nixon did? How about Bill Clinton? Eisenhower?
How about Calvin Coolidge?
Hold your breath Donny, it stinks anyway.
The longer the better. I don’t need big brother looking over my shoulder. It will give some people the opportunity to learn how to stand on their own two feet without government to lean on all the time.
Wow, I would expect you to never take any kind of gov hand hot or are handout just for the wealty and not the middle and lower classes to you
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The length of the shut down depends entirely on the intransigence of the progressive leftist liberal Democrats.
I totally disagree with you Ed, so I am just going to say..
Hope you had a Merry Christmas and wish you and yours all the best in the new year.
If fat ass will just accept 1.6$ (all deficit spending)for his gay ass wall everything would be good.
He needs to put separate legislation forth for his wall and stop trying to hold up continued funding for the government to try to fund his mistake. Trump's wall will be remembered in the same way as the Berlin wall.
If his supporters want this wall so bad, there is GoFundMe or Patreon for their dollars.
I don't think you understand what the purpose of the Berlin wall was. The Berlin Wall was necessary to keep citizens from fleeing the socialist paradise of East Germany, not to keep West Germans from illegally entering the nirvana that was East Germany.
If Democrats win the next few elections, they'll end up wanting a wall to keep Americans in America. Without a wall, people flee socialist countries as fast as they can.
Trump's only asking Democrats to do what they overwhelmingly voted for in 2007.
The long-term effect of building border walls is the same.
How many people are fleeing Canada and western Europe?
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The first responsibility of the federal government is defense of the Republic.
we should do as the law allows. If someone invades my property I have the right to shoot intruders. The same with our borders. The word would quickly spread and illegal invaders would stop overnight.
and yes it’s Christian. Jesus told us to buy a weapon for self defense
Luke 22:35,36
And He said to them, “When I sent you without money bag, knapsack, and sandals, did you lack anything?”
So they said, “Nothing.”
36 Then He said to them, “But now, he who has a money bag, let him take it, and likewise a knapsack; and he who has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one.
Guess the GOP doesn't know that because they are sure destroy the Republican
Leftist Democrats and Establishment Republicans have been doing that for over 100 years.
The length of the shut down depends entirely on the intransigence of the progressive leftist liberal Democrats.
Well you have a right to your opinion-- as uninformed as it might be.
In fact, what you claimed is not only false, but is actually 180 degrees in opposition to what Trump himself said!
Here's what Trump himself said about who's responsible for the shutdown:
You know what I'll say? If we don't get what we want, one way or the other, I will shut down the government.
(At this point Schumer replies "OK, fair enough")
Then Trump continues:
And I am proud and I'll tellya what: I am proud to shut down the government for border security Chuck.
So I will take the mantle. I will shut it down I'm not gonna blame you for it.
You know what I'll say? If we don't get what we want, one way or the other, I will shut down the government.
(At this point Schumer replies "OK, fair enough")
Then Trump continues:
And I am proud and I'll tellya what: I am proud to shut down the government for border security Chuck.
So I will take the mantle. I will shut it down I'm not gonna blame you for it.
Wow Krishna-- that's quite a claim! Do you have a link for that?
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I thought you'd never ask! :^)
Because, as a matter of fact I do have a link-- its here:
Who's Responsible For The Gov't Shut-Down? Trump Explains It Quite Clearly....
And better yet, here's the actual video:
We have found before that we can agree to disagree in a friendly and polite manner and this is no different. Semper Fi and a Happy New Year brother!
Above comment meant for Mr Frost.
[Deleted] The Democrats in Congress overwhelmingly supported the wall. Now that Trump loves it, they hate it.
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There is a big difference between Trumps boondoggle wall and the Southern Border Fencing Strategy.
Really, enlighten us
This Act may be cited as the `Secure Fence Act of 2006'.
SEC. 2. ACHIEVING OPERATIONAL CONTROL ON THE BORDER.
(a) In General- Not later than 18 months after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Secretary of Homeland Security shall take all actions the Secretary determines necessary and appropriate to achieve and maintain operational control over the entire international land and maritime borders of the United States, to include the following--
(1) systematic surveillance of the international land and maritime borders of the United States through more effective use of personnel and technology, such as unmanned aerial vehicles, ground-based sensors, satellites, radar coverage, and cameras; and
(2) physical infrastructure enhancements to prevent unlawful entry by aliens into the United States and facilitate access to the international land and maritime borders by United States Customs and Border Protection, such as additional checkpoints, all weather access roads, and vehicle barriers.
(b) Operational Control Defined- In this section, the term `operational control' means the prevention of all unlawful entries into the United States, including entries by terrorists, other unlawful aliens, instruments of terrorism, narcotics, and other contraband.
(c) Report- Not later than one year after the date of the enactment of this Act and annually thereafter, the Secretary shall submit to Congress a report on the progress made toward achieving and maintaining operational control over the entire international land and maritime borders of the United States in accordance with this section.
SEC. 3. CONSTRUCTION OF FENCING AND SECURITY IMPROVEMENTS IN BORDER AREA FROM PACIFIC OCEAN TO GULF OF MEXICO.
Section 102(b) of the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996 (Public Law 104-208; 8 U.S.C. 1103 note) is amended--
(1) in the subsection heading by striking `Near San Diego, California'; and
(2) by amending paragraph (1) to read as follows:
`(1) SECURITY FEATURES-
`(A) REINFORCED FENCING- In carrying out subsection (a), the Secretary of Homeland Security shall provide for least 2 layers of reinforced fencing, the installation of additional physical barriers, roads, lighting, cameras, and sensors--
`(i) extending from 10 miles west of the Tecate, California, port of entry to 10 miles east of the Tecate, California, port of entry;
`(ii) extending from 10 miles west of the Calexico, California, port of entry to 5 miles east of the Douglas, Arizona, port of entry;
`(iii) extending from 5 miles west of the Columbus, New Mexico, port of entry to 10 miles east of El Paso, Texas;
`(iv) extending from 5 miles northwest of the Del Rio, Texas, port of entry to 5 miles southeast of the Eagle Pass, Texas, port of entry; and
`(v) extending 15 miles northwest of the Laredo, Texas, port of entry to the Brownsville, Texas, port of entry.
`(B) PRIORITY AREAS- With respect to the border described--
`(i) in subparagraph (A)(ii), the Secretary shall ensure that an interlocking surveillance camera system is installed along such area by May 30, 2007, and that fence construction is completed by May 30, 2008; and
`(ii) in subparagraph (A)(v), the Secretary shall ensure that fence construction from 15 miles northwest of the Laredo, Texas, port of entry to 15 southeast of the Laredo, Texas, port of entry is completed by December 31, 2008.
`(C) EXCEPTION- If the topography of a specific area has an elevation grade that exceeds 10 percent, the Secretary may use other means to secure such area, including the use of surveillance and barrier tools.'.
All one need do is READ your post. Not one word about a wall anywhere...
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(2) physical infrastructure enhancements to prevent unlawful entry by aliens into the United States and facilitate access to the international land and maritime borders by United States Customs and Border Protection, such as additional checkpoints, all weather access roads, and vehicle barriers.
that pretty much means walls or any similar physical infrastructure enhancements as do “vehicle barriers”
What an utter load of bullshit.
If it 'pretty much meant walls' then WALLS would have been built, NONE WERE.
[Deleted] The Democrats in Congress overwhelmingly supported the wall.
Link?
So far, every single one of them that has made that claim refers to the 'Secure Fence Act of 2006' and insists that the word fence actually means wall.
They're all SHOCKED that so few accept that bullshit as fact.
Now the talking points seem to have evolved into the wall being 'symbolic' or a 'metaphor'.
The pretzels they have had to twist themselves into to defend Trump's failure are comical.
Every member of Congress who votes against funding the wall should be tried for treason and [Deleted]
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Nonsense. [deleted] understand the difference between calling US law to be carried out vs making a threat of personal action.
Knock it off with the meta and any threat of death to a public official or a member is considered a serious offense.
You must be kidding. I made no death threat of any kind. I called for traitors to be tried and executed according to US law.
are you now telling us that calling for US law is against your code of conduct?
nowhere did I call for or suggest taking personal violent action against anyone.
The accusation is absurd
As is the accusation of treason against anyone that votes against wall funding.
In my opinion you sure as hell did.
Supporting open borders invasion of our country is treasonous
Accusing others of treason, without knowing what treason MEANS in this country, is boorish.
HAHA!
This might be the most ironic statement of the year.
As long as we have manned and armed border checkpoints at the road crossings we do not have open borders with Mexico. You want to build a wall akin to the concrete Israeli/Palestine wall and are trying to criticize anything less than that idea as supporting open borders, when the reality is that your idea doesn't address how most undocumented immigrants come into the US.
Really Sean? In what way?
Really? Then how do we get hundreds of thousands entering illegally each year across our borders and you leftists wanting to let them stay. The net effect is an open border.
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Guess again.
It is fiscally irresponsible to spend $5 billion dollars building a wall on the border when there isn't a serious problem that will be addressed by the wall. Most of the immigrants come into the country legally and overstay their vias, but that problem won't be addressed by the wall. Donald Trump is playing on his supporter's xenophobic fears and the personal failures to blame their problems on immigrants, so somehow they believe that their life will get better if we build the stupid wall.
Trump is scapegoating Hispanic immigrants like Hitler did with the Jews and his supporters are eating it up.
The immigrants are not planning a social coup, so drop the hyperbole. Do you look under your bed for communists and illegal immigrants before you go to bed?
It's fucking hilarious that you spew about the rule of law and throw accusations of treason around like tic tacs...
MEXICO IS GOING TO PAY FOR THE WALL. trump promised, over and over and over.
When did Congress declare war?
Treason seems to have a very liquid definition for some. It's treason, to some, to vote against what will likely be an ineffective but expensive border security measure. It's also treason, to some, for a TV comedy show host to opine that Donald Trump in beholden to Russia, and that that might make him likely to act in Russia's best interests rather than our own.
Actually acting in Russia's best interests rather than our own is ok, though.
Some seem to think that disloyalty to or disagreement with Trump, rather than the United States of America, is treason.
Dangerous, IMO.
MEXICO IS GOING TO PAY FOR THE WALL. Your daddy trump promised over, and over, and over.