How can you defend a president who is a danger to democracy?

  
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How can you defend a president who is a danger to democracy?
The rift between Republican perceptions of the president and the view of the broader public has grown into a chasm. This is now the main political context of the 2020 campaign.

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How can you defend a president who is a danger to democracy?


Michael Gerson March 14, 2019

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A friend just returned from some time with a group of wealthy conservative donors. “They were ambivalent about Donald Trump two years ago,” he said. “Now they are vociferously pro-Trump. There’s a psychological study to be done here.”

Those in and around Republican politics have seen this dynamic at work. In spite of past misgivings, most GOP partisans seem to have accepted the idea that President Trump is their guy in the broader culture/political war. They have rallied to his defense in a way reminiscent of how Democrats rallied to President Bill Clinton during his scandal and impeachment.

The problem, of course, is that Trump — unlike Clinton — is incapable of effective outreach to less partisan voters. To the contrary, he has confirmed public suspicions about his unfitness and instability. There is no measurable sense in which Trump has grown into the office he holds. He remains defiantly nativist, instinctually divisive, habitually offensive. A significant portion of the voting public has gone from ambivalence about Trump to alarm, hostility and disdain.

So, in the 2018 midterm elections, Trump tried to nationalize the election on issues that motivate his party — appealing to those voters who are excited by exclusion. And GOP partisans responded by turning out in large numbers. But it was not nearly enough to counteract greater public fears.

In other words, the politics of partisan mobilization works only if you don’t scare the rest of America to death. Republicans have come to the defense of a man who is incapable of widening his appeal. And this has opened up a reality gap between the GOP and the rest of our political culture. The rift between Republican perceptions of the president and the view of the broader public has grown into a chasm. This is now the main political context of the 2020 campaign.

Why have Republicans fallen in line with a politician who has sometimes targeted their own party and leaders for populist disdain? Why have conservatives come to the defense of a leader with decidedly unconservative views on trade and foreign policy? Why have religious conservatives embraced the living, breathing embodiment of defining deviancy down?

This phenomenon would benefit from a psychological study. Those who violate their own beliefs for political gain — elevating the ends of politics over the means of character — become mentally invested in their choice. Admitting that Trump is a chaotic and destructive force in U.S. politics would require self-judgment. There is a reason that enablers enable — because a more objective self-assessment would bring guilt and pain.

At one level, the reality is not complex. Trump is a populist demagogue who gains permission for his brand of politics by giving favored groups certain ideological benefits — particularly a tax cut, regulatory relief and conservative judges. I happen to agree with some of those decisions. But they are part of a system or structure that was created to provide legitimacy for a general lowering of political and moral standards.

At the level of raw politics, this deal has worked. A president who panders to the religious right may end up being more reliable than a leader who is actually a religious conservative and thinks for himself or herself. Pandering is utterly predictable. Conscience makes distinctions.

But there is a downside to the deal. This particular demagogue requires not just consent but approval. And not just approval but obeisance. So religious conservatives end up blessing what Pete Buttigieg, a 2020 Democratic presidential hopeful and the mayor of South Bend, Ind., memorably called “the porn-star presidency.” Deficit hawks vote for massive increases in debt. Economic conservatives accommodate the instincts of an economically illiterate leader. Military hawks endorse a foreign policy that resembles President Barack Obama’s, except with more praise of dictators and less backbone.

To ensure the political triumph of their views, these partisans must publicly dilute and discredit those views. Trump offers true believers an uncomfortable arrangement: What you would save you must first defile.

The historical judgment on that deal depends on how destructive Trump ends up being to our public order. Making the case for Trump requires his advocates to consistently minimize his vices. Rather than conceding Trump’s demolition of public standards of honesty and decency, his supporters pronounce him a little rough around the edges. His racial bias is dismissed as straight talk or rhetorical excess. His testing of constitutional boundaries is an excess of zeal. His cruelty and crudity are, when you get used to them, just part of the show.

But if, as I suspect, Trump’s deception, indecency, racism, viciousness and lawlessness are uniquely dangerous to our democracy, his enablers will find their deal more difficult to explain.

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JohnRussell
1  seeder  JohnRussell    2 months ago

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JohnRussell
2  seeder  JohnRussell    2 months ago
The problem, of course, is that Trump — unlike Clinton — is incapable of effective outreach to less partisan voters. To the contrary, he has confirmed public suspicions about his unfitness and instability. There is no measurable sense in which Trump has grown into the office he holds. He remains defiantly nativist, instinctually divisive, habitually offensive. A significant portion of the voting public has gone from ambivalence about Trump to alarm, hostility and disdain.

If Trump could change, he might have a glimmer of hope. But he can't change. 2020 will be no different from 2018 when he got his ass handed to him.

 
 
 
WallyW
2.1  WallyW  replied to  JohnRussell @2    2 months ago
But he can't change. 2020 will be no different from 2018 when he got his ass handed to him.

His successes will continue as we near the 2020 elections.

The Mueller Report will vindicate him personally of collusion, obstruction of justice, etc.

The Democrats will continue to waste time and money with pointless investigations. They will not field an electable candidate.

The Democrats will lose the House in 2020 and not succeed in replacing Trump. The voters do not want the kind of world the left is intent on dragging us into.

No snarky personal response please.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
2.1.1  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  WallyW @2.1    2 months ago

Trump appears to be more of a perceived danger to Democrats rather than to Democracy in general.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.1.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @2.1.1    2 months ago

The writer of the article is a Republican.

I feel sorry for people like yourselves who have to turn your back on your previous principles in order to support this pos.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
2.1.3  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.2    2 months ago

I am neither Republican nor Democrat, so save your pity those you know something about. And please point out where I have said here or anywhere that I support Trump, because I actually do not, but neither do I share or support the progressive liberal mindset. Go fish somewhere else...

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
2.1.4  Nowhere Man  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @2.1.3    2 months ago
And please point out where I have said here or anywhere that I support Trump, because I actually do not, but neither do I share or support the progressive liberal mindset. Go fish somewhere else...

Same sympathies here, but you can't convince John of that fact, with him it is my opinion that if you disagree with John, your a T-rump supporter according to him and any number of other board posters...... Much like Hillary claiming that anyone that doesn't vote for her is a deplorable individual.....

Non-hating on T-rump is support for T-rump, non-support for the liberal agenda is support for T-rump, anything that doesn't maintain the political duopoly status quo is support for T-rump......

Go figure.....

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.1.5  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Nowhere Man @2.1.4    2 months ago
Non-hating on T-rump is support for T-rump,

I don't know about hating, but yes of course, non- opposition to Trump is support for Trump. He's not fit to be president of the United States. He's not even fit to be mayor of the smallest worst town in the country. The idea that he is fit because he won the election is absurd.

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
2.1.6  Nowhere Man  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.5    2 months ago

And as we have pointed out many times in the past, that is YOUR OPINION!

And your entitled to that.... My question is, do you have to be so evangelical about it?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.1.7  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Nowhere Man @2.1.6    2 months ago
And as we have pointed out many times in the past, that is YOUR OPINION!

It's not my opinion , it's the opinion of the majority of the people in this country.

It is NOT POSSIBLE to logically defend Donald Trump. It's not possible. Yet you people do it here every stinking day.

What are the rest of us supposed to make of you?

 
 
 
Texan1211
2.1.8  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.7    2 months ago

Why don't you get together with all those folks and simply elect someone else?

Seems easy enough to do, right?

Then we can finally put an end to TDS forever!

 
 
 
Jack_TX
2.1.9  Jack_TX  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.5    2 months ago
but yes of course, non- opposition to Trump is support for Trump.

Speaking of absurd.

Out of curiosity is this bizarre attempt to disallow indifference universal or just Trump related?  So, is "non-opposition" to the Atlanta Falcons now equivalent to "support" for them?  What about "non-opposition" to...say.... the Italian restaurant on the corner?

When the angry leftists rise to power, will we all be required to declare "support" for or "opposition" to everything? That just seems like a lot of paperwork.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
2.1.10  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Jack_TX @2.1.9    2 months ago
non- opposition to Trump is support for Trump.
Speaking of absurd. Out of curiosity is this bizarre attempt to disallow indifference universal or just Trump related? 

When you see an incompetence of the tremendous gargantuan proportions that Trump has displayed, when you see a serial liar setting the Truth meter on fire, an adoration who can adore and hold himself no higher, tweet out policy confused with collusion to conspire against all he dowst desire to end and expire, because he can't hide his guilt torturing his inside, as he feigns over the little mind fuck who placed him where he sits, throws the kitchen sink at all walls that Mexico will build and pay for, while paying off our multi trillion China debt, just for good measure, do you ever not see that one who has played so many with his lies that stretch further than an elastic band can be elongated without snapping back and eyeballing an eye socket currently conducive with the 'best and the brightest' he said he would surround himself with, well, until they called him a 'fucken idiot', resigned in disgrace for abusing their offices they were most likely the least likely qualified to oversee, and were closer to the antithesis of a truly qualified appointtee with an errant moral compass arrow, shot into an ethical barrel of fish food, starving for thought, as

Trumps' incessant withchunt tweets, hoax, fake news assertions lobbed at one, that both agreed was a good choice to investigate alleged allegations, that has had hundreds of charges brought, concluded some convictions sought, multiple indictments, and an unforeseen amount of yet to be divulged further findings, being professionally handled by an adult, that any innocent Pol would welcome as to clear their name if that were a true claim, has by many, already convicted himself of obstruction, but because those that prefer Trumps Lies over and over, instead of what's real, and cannot admit they were taken, our Country has lost its moral high ground and has begun to concede its world leadership status, and unfortunately, rightfully so.

How can NATO and or any of our Allies not be concerned about his always lying, while insulting our most adamant supporters, he praises tyrants, he has been unable to say a negative word about Putin, while all the while attempting to reduce, and or drag feet, in even implementing the sanctions he was forced to bring about, after completely insulting intelligence, and our intelligence agencies by publically, side by side, asserting Putin's denial was all he needed to know Putin wasn't involved, in 'rigging' the election Trump swore was rigged.

yea, why should those who fail to see this behavior as nothing wrong, need to oppose

such a role model, that all of our children should be coerced to emulate, going on 10,000 lies, whatever could be wrong with accepting this, as opposed to calling it out for what it is ?

Think on that Jack.

Americans have not a duty to hold our highest elected official, to standards we ourselves could never accept from our own family members ?

I'd dismember them, but you are failing in your duty as an American Citizen, and that is just my humble opinion, 

that i, at this point in this beyond comedic joke, will not relinquish.

So many fought and died, lost life and limb, for an unstable inferior insecure little man,

to desecrate their sacrifices, is just plain UN AMERICAN  again, just my opine

 

 
 
 
Jack_TX
2.1.11  Jack_TX  replied to  igknorantzrulz @2.1.10    2 months ago
is just plain UN AMERICAN UN AMERICAN is demanding everybody agree with a given position, or that everybody share the same "feelings".

Un-American is seeking to impose adherence to a personal jihad as some sort of litmus test for "duty as an American Citizen". 

This is America.  As much as it frustrates angry young liberals, Americans tend to think for themselves, or at least they used to before Twitter.   

Think on that Jack.

You just can't stand the fact that I think for myself.

The objections you raise and the fervor with which you raise them I suspect resonate with teenagers or early 20 somethings who have been spoiled by the relatively honest presidencies of BO and GWB.  

But in my lifetime I've seen parents mourn 19 year olds who died in a useless jungle our president promised we'd never send American boys to.  I've seen legislation passed to win "the n****r vote".  I've seen a president resign in disgrace.  I've seen a president sell weapons illegally.  I've seen a president under investigation for shady real estate dealings until key witnesses mysteriously turned up dead.  I've seen a president perjure himself, and had to answer questions from my 4 year old daughter about a cum stained dress and a cigar up a vagina.  

So I don't give a fuck about Donald Trump.  Given my experience with other presidents, he's not particularly remarkable.  

What is remarkable...and inexcusable....is the declaration that unless everyone agrees with your particular brand of bullshit, they're "un-American".

 
 
 
MUVA
2.1.12  MUVA  replied to  Jack_TX @2.1.11    2 months ago

I agree with you 100% and not just because you support Manchester United the greatest football club in the world.

 
 
 
Don Overton
2.1.13  Don Overton  replied to  WallyW @2.1    2 months ago

Keep dreaming Wally

 
 
 
Don Overton
2.1.14  Don Overton  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @2.1.3    2 months ago

Quit responding to comments like you are a republican

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
2.1.15  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Jack_TX @2.1.11    2 months ago
What is remarkable...and inexcusable....is the declaration that unless everyone agrees with your particular brand of bullshit, they're "un-American".

WTF are you talking about ?

I stated my opinion, that i believe it ti be un American to not stand up to a FCKN liar who has his free base imprisoned from the top  down to their little piggly wigglys , wriggling in the thick boggs of the swamp, he said he was going to drain, when all he did was drain it enough so he could more easily locate the best of the worst, and hire them due to criminal activity, Racist and or homophobic views,, complete ignorance to their appointed position and or the antithesis of said position, incompetence, misogynistic tendencies, nepotism, conflicted business interests, and or indictments, plea deals, guilty pleas, playmates seen in porn while paid to not mention gettin laid,  complete incompetence, and plain old unqualified asses that side with Putin, LiL' Kimba the white lying yellow Asian fellow who resembles Pugsley Adams , all while spewing disparaging remarks ala insults at our true allies, as his just axis and he;\'ll tell us how stupid it would be to believe our OWN DAMN INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES as he insults any and all, even those with intelligence so tall

a tale told, by a petty little small minded prick of a womanizer wife despizer,,family controlling freak of nature, while artificially inseminated by the bare wrestling shirtless jockey fondling strap of a strapping on old bitter "man" who would put himself above Country, Unification of the split masses, creator of the middle class tax plan asses, who thought they would see larger returns, while corporations neither reinvest in what Trump had stated,  instead opting to further enrich wealthy stock owners, all while their petty little impact on our economy evaporates, while Trump holds PEP rallies, to stroke his fragile little EGO, while he screams,

let go my Legomade wall that Mexico will be  PAYING FOR, "what , i didn't say Mexico would be paying for a wall, i said howcome Americans brains are so weak and small...??

NO COILLUSION, I told you damnet, Witch hunt witch hunt, fake NEWS, unless it might be beneficial, but only I.mTRUMP with my biggest brain can choose, whitch pussy i'll be grabbin tonight, Ivanka 's looking pretty tight...

WHO ?  Manaforte, he was only a boy building a fort, andthe judge DID NOT SAY NO COLLUSION, Ijust through that in to add to the confusion.

Hey Jack, does your now grown daughter think she would be "safe', if left alone with the POTUS, or might she feel uncomfortable, cause i wouldn't let any females alone with a proven sexist PIG, but i'm silly that way, when it comes to protecting women.

Did you see the way Trump is tackling that human trafficking thingy, by being papered up by Chinese happy go lucky Ending stores, complete with actual whores, Trump and his budds are studying first hand, on her pu$$y is Trump's, he calls it his BASE

yea, yer a real freethinker

Bell ringing tinkertoy soldier boy in chief, next wants to exile all native born Indians back to Indonesian root origins, ashe claims they were

Made in China

aftwrwards, he plans to raise giraffes to trim down releaffy tariffs implemented to level the playing field, that you vehemently denied was even a plausible, yet, you'd give him a one hand , case of the clap ping pong tables turned straight, as he deals Jokers from the bottom of the Deck, as the bottom is where he feeds

PIGZ,  while porking some Princessses, all as he states, Dems hate doze Jews, because Trump can mold his seedy models, into anything he wants and some won't say a DAMN WORD

So parents, you decide, how would you feel if it was standard accepted behavior, to have your son or daughter say they want to grow up and be 

JUST LIKE TRUMP

Hey 

 HEY JACK, would you still remain silent about such behavior ...?

Ponder on that pontificator of pompous projection, inserting your narrative in my twice stated only opinion, that WE ARE ALL FREE TO AMERICAN EXPRESS, but you might have no interest 

TO RATE, but come on back and see if you can manage, asz i believe was your word,

as i stated, luv for you to attempt to manage , what you can't seem to, 

cause as i did state prior, my self uneducated asz can go as high as many, and as low as ANY,

so do try and quote me right this time

cause in America, i'm free to state my Opine just fine

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
2.1.16  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.7    2 months ago
What are the rest of us supposed to make of you?

simple, we do not fall for the lefts bs and never will.

however, we do agree trump is a threat to democrats and neo-cons.

and that is why we hired him.

 it's the opinion of the majority of the people in this country.

the avg IQ is 100 so being in the majority of idiots is not a good thing.

which is why the USA is not a democracy but a republic.

and our republic is going to be stronger than ever.

cheers :)

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
2.1.17  igknorantzrulz  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @2.1.16    2 months ago
trump is a threat to democrats and neo-cons. and that is why we hired him.

so, as long as Trump, "is a threat", you're happy with your choice, chosen, mind closen, brain frozen

Abbey NORM  drank at CHEERS, so i must inquire,

how does Woody look like a Rocket Surgeon compared to so many Defenders ?

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
2.1.18  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  igknorantzrulz @2.1.17    2 months ago
you're happy with your choice, chosen,

yes, dismantling the "globalist bs has been a pleasure   :)

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
2.1.19  igknorantzrulz  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @2.1.16    2 months ago
simple, we do not fall for the lefts bs and never will.

Well why would you....

when the rights bs sounds so far more appealing, to that you wish to be hearing.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
2.1.20  igknorantzrulz  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @2.1.18    2 months ago
yes, dismantling the "globalist bs has been a pleasure   :)

kinky,

i guess, whatever floats your boat.

By the way, when does this dismantling begin ?

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
2.1.21  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  igknorantzrulz @2.1.19    2 months ago
when the rights bs sounds so far more appealing,

liberty and security is not bullshit

we told yall we were going to take our country back.  and we will be keeping it.   

liberty and security for everyone. / socialism for no one.

 we do understand how butthurt that makes the left.  however.. we simply do not care about that.

pelosi said it best... I will paraphrase.

yes, some people with differing ideology will be left behind.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
2.1.22  igknorantzrulz  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @2.1.21    2 months ago
we do understand how butthurt that makes the left.  however.. we simply do not care about that.

good luck

cause you're gonna need far more than it.

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
2.1.23  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  igknorantzrulz @2.1.22    2 months ago
good luck

we have it all.

cheers :)

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
2.1.24  igknorantzrulz  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @2.1.23    2 months ago
we have it all.

they can cure most of those these days, even AIDS

can be kept under control

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
2.1.25  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  igknorantzrulz @2.1.20    2 months ago
By the way, when does this dismantling begin ?

how is the tpp and paris agreement doing?  hint DOA in this country.

and the ICC is dead to us as well

the complete top of the fbi and doj have been replaced and those who were there under obama are now in deep shit.

id say it is going rather well already '

perhaps try to keep up?.

512

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
2.1.26  igknorantzrulz  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @2.1.25    2 months ago
perhaps try to keep up?

the depths of your arguments

leave me

treading mills of water powering sawz all, through NOTHING

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
2.1.27  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  igknorantzrulz @2.1.26    2 months ago

funny, the left said the same thing when I told them in 2016 trump was going to win.

so.... what have I learned here? no change in the left. and that is fantastic news.

as long as the left does not understand the depth of whats really going on = we win.

cheers :)

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
2.1.28  igknorantzrulz  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @2.1.25    2 months ago

chery picked comments, when read in the context, leave you bailing water.

Idiot who released full transcripts, was BRILLIANT.

Nothing like debunking what has already been released, via what should be released in concert, wanna hit the PIT

"Get in the Pit, N try and LOVE Someone"

Nothing Like MOSHING in the MOURNING !

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
2.1.29  igknorantzrulz  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @2.1.27    2 months ago
funny, the left said the same thing when I told them in 2016 trump was going to win.

Your a regular old Nostradamus. Hillary won by 3 million, but you lucked out guessing the EC...did you consult 1-900- Astrolo pol ?

.

so.... what have I learned here? no change in the left. and that is fantastic news.

If you have to ask what have you learned, 

what have you ?

,

as long as the left does not understand the depth of whats really going on = we win.

WTF. "we win" as in your oh so wrong 'right' clan...

Do 

YOU NOT UNDERSTAND , WE ALL LOSE, with your shallow thinking thoughts sinking in puppy puddles, absorbed with news papers blank

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
2.1.30  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  igknorantzrulz @2.1.28    2 months ago

https://thepoliticalinsider.com/bombshell-lisa-page-testified-obama-doj-ordered-fbi-not-to-charge-hillary/

there is only one word to describe what is coming for the left and their neo-con friends.

PAIN

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
2.1.31  igknorantzrulz  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @2.1.30    2 months ago

i've got some Oxycontins

so 

your veiled threat, is soothed by Big pHarma

ala Parmigiana 

.

You must watch  an awful lot of professional Wrestling ?

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
2.1.32  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  igknorantzrulz @2.1.31    2 months ago
your veiled threat, is soothed by Big pHarma

awesome :)

however, I bet this pill is a bit harder to swallow.

https://www.worldtribune.com/report-steele-admits-getting-dossier-info-from-user-generated-cnn-website/

  1. cnn users make stuff up,
  2. steele creates fiction from said bs,
  3. and cnn reports same bs as fact
  4. doj tries to hammer trump with said bs

result?  the single biggest circle jerk in history  jrSmiley_91_smiley_image.gif

      5. everyone caught with their pants down will be going to jail.

cheers :)

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
2.1.33  igknorantzrulz  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @2.1.32    2 months ago
everyone caught with their pants down will be going to jail.

NOT ME

and there down to my ankles

but, i'm also on the john

.

Keep pipe dreaming, while Trump will be drug crying and screaming, to the new Trump broken crooked wing of Club Fed

featuring Bubba, the white collar breaker of sphincters,

don't worry, Putin has Trump all flexible and anal able

 
 
 
Jack_TX
2.1.34  Jack_TX  replied to  igknorantzrulz @2.1.15    2 months ago
WTF are you talking about ? I stated my opinion, that i believe it ti be un American to not stand up to a FCKN liar

Asked...and answered.

You don't get to decide "un-American" for other people.  Thinking you do puts you on the level of the KKK.  Congratulations.

If you want to go full batshit and ramble incoherently in poorly punctuated rants of collusion or dishonesty or various other screams at the sky, you go right ahead. 

But claiming it's "un-American" not to join you is among your more egregious lines of totalitarian bullshit.  

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
2.1.35  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Jack_TX @2.1.34    2 months ago
Thinking you do puts you on the level of the KKK.  Congratulations.

yea ,but i spell it CCC

I'll decide what is un American, and you can raise your kids to be like one you're afraid to call out for what he is, UNAMERICAN!

and Jack,

your opinion don't mean Jack cause i'll right however wrong i like, especially if you don't, cause  i'm a dick that way, and a hell of alot of other ways, so swallow

what you don't spit, cause to me, it don't mean shit

.

Not calling out a FCKN POTUS hinting via not so ambiguous inferences of American CIVIL WAR, is FCKN UNAMERICAN

treasonous and traitorous , the way you like your Presidents

sorrry Jack  didn't mean to turn   Jack Off   but on the subject, described inefficiently by deficiencies as stated

Call a Spade a Spade, or a Jack a Billy

club a baby harp seal, but don't harp about it, very touching Jack, 

but i don't want to feel your out of touch, while your busy

waiting 

to get call waiting

 
 
 
Jack_TX
2.1.36  Jack_TX  replied to  igknorantzrulz @2.1.35    2 months ago
yea ,but i spell it CCC

I don't doubt you will.  Doesn't change your attempts to control everybody.  

I'll decide what is un American,

I'm sure you will delude yourself into believing that to be so.

and you can raise your kids to be like one you're afraid to call out for what he is, UNAMERICAN!

So ....your brainless hysteria somehow means I am afraid.   Riiiiiiight.  

Well by all means Chicken Little...you run around and assemble Turkey Lurkey, Goosey Loosey, Ducky Lucky and all of the other barnyard animals and convince them the sky is falling.  Good luck with that.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
2.1.37  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Jack_TX @2.1.36    2 months ago
So ....your brainless hysteria somehow means I am afraid.   Riiiiiiight.

No,

It is  logical for my brainless hysteria to equate what i feel is UNAMERICAN, via my opinion stated, over and over to one deafinitel not hearing 

but

u certainly will be, but i'm currently engaged, but at least, i'm not divorced from reality, while i did attend the wedding party, as i'm often asked to be in the wedding party, and who else wants to be the worst man, one can be, cause that's, just plain UnAmerican to me, and although you feel i'm not deserved of an opinion that differs from yours, it possibly might not 

make a FCKN difference in the world

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.1.38  Tessylo  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @2.1.16    2 months ago
'the avg IQ is 100 so being in the majority of idiots is not a good thing.'

I have no idea what you're babbling on about but I doubt the turd 'president''s IQ is 100, or his supporters.  I'm sure it is much lower.  He is among the un-educable retarded.  No offense to truly mentally disabled folks.  

 
 
 
MUVA
2.1.39  MUVA  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.38    2 months ago

My youngest son is disabled and also considered a genius he has asperger syndrome. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.1.40  Tessylo  replied to  MUVA @2.1.39    2 months ago

There is no where that Rump would be considered a genius.

This has nothing to do with your son.  

 
 
 
MUVA
2.1.41  MUVA  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.40    2 months ago

I'm just letting you know you can be disabled and also be genius your comment makes me believe you think otherwise.

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.1.42  Tessylo  replied to  MUVA @2.1.41    2 months ago

Nope.  

Rump is no genius by any stretch of the imagination.  

Still has nothing to do with your son or what I said.  

Plus, I wasn't talking to you anyway.  

 
 
 
MUVA
2.1.43  MUVA  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.42    2 months ago

I didn't say Trump is a genius what I said is people that are disabled can also be smart you seem to think otherwise.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.1.44  Tessylo  replied to  MUVA @2.1.43    2 months ago

Nope.  

 
 
 
WallyW
2.1.45  WallyW  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.7    2 months ago
What are the rest of us supposed to make of you?

Your biased and uninformed opinions mean little to nothing amongst ordinary and decent folk.

Just another liberal dog baying at the moon and pissing on the rose bushes.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
3  Bob Nelson    2 months ago
How Can You Defend A President Who Is A Danger To Democracy?

Simple, John. The people who defend Donald Trump do not care about democracy. At best, they are indifferent... but sadly many of them, perhaps most of them, are fervently anti-democracy. They would happily see Donald Trump as absolute ruler.

 
 
 
WallyW
3.1  WallyW  replied to  Bob Nelson @3    2 months ago

Better Trump than HRC. Obama turned out to be the real threat to our "democracy".

 
 
 
Badfish H҉a҉n҉d҉ ҉o҉f҉ ҉D҉o҉o҉m҉
4  Badfish H҉a҉n҉d҉ ҉o҉f҉ ҉D҉o҉o҉m҉    2 months ago
The problem, of course, is that Trump — unlike Clinton — is incapable of effective outreach to less partisan voters.

He won by winning over the forgotten blue collar Democrats.

Another 2016 she lost boohoo article. What a surprise

 
 
 
WallyW
4.1  WallyW  replied to  Badfish H҉a҉n҉d҉ ҉o҉f҉ ҉D҉o҉o҉m҉ @4    2 months ago

No surprise, it's expected from the "new" Democrats.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
4.1.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  WallyW @4.1    2 months ago

Trump supporters will learn a hard lesson. [deleted]

They have had innumerable chances to rectify their mistake, and they double down behind the idiot.

Imagine something. Imagine America re-elects someone who has lied 10,000 times to the public in two years.

How could that be explained to the next generation?  I still have faith that a majority of Americans will not put someone who has lied 10,000 times in two years back in office.

May God have mercy on us if we do.

 
 
 
WallyW
4.1.2  WallyW  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.1    2 months ago
Imagine something. Imagine America re-elects someone who has lied 10,000 times to the public in two years.

Unlike you, most Americans are not obsessed with every act and utterance of Trump. They have real lives to live and be and important things to do. They will look at all the stupid things the Democrat are doing and saying and reelect Trump.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
4.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Badfish H҉a҉n҉d҉ ҉o҉f҉ ҉D҉o҉o҉m҉ @4    2 months ago
Making the case for Trump requires his advocates to consistently minimize his vices. Rather than conceding Trump’s demolition of public standards of honesty and decency, his supporters pronounce him a little rough around the edges. His racial bias is dismissed as straight talk or rhetorical excess. His testing of constitutional boundaries is an excess of zeal. His cruelty and crudity are, when you get used to them, just part of the show.
 
 
 
WallyW
4.2.1  WallyW  replied to  JohnRussell @4.2    2 months ago

You exaggerate way too much. No one believes you.

 
 
 
Tessylo
4.3  Tessylo  replied to  Badfish H҉a҉n҉d҉ ҉o҉f҉ ҉D҉o҉o҉m҉ @4    2 months ago
'He won by winning over the forgotten blue collar Democrats.' 
Yeah, that's the ticket.  jrSmiley_82_smiley_image.gif

And broke every single promise he made.  Yet 1/4 of Americans still support the turd.  

Go figure.  

 
 
 
WallyW
4.3.1  WallyW  replied to  Tessylo @4.3    2 months ago
Yet 1/4 of Americans still support the turd.  

Actually, it's closer to half. Do your research.

 
 
 
Texan1211
4.3.2  Texan1211  replied to  WallyW @4.3.1    2 months ago
Do your research.

Research? Research? Did you say research???

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Nowhere Man
5  Nowhere Man    2 months ago
How Can You Defend A President Who Is A Danger To Democracy?

I don't know John you guys did a pretty good job defending Obama didn't ya?

I mean prior to Bill Clinton, a president didn't need defending, A president just was by being duly elected....

Since Clinton, a president must not only be elected, but acceptable as well.... (election is no longer a valid adjudication of acceptable)

Ok.... It's just a measure of how divided the nation has become.... ie how well the people who want a divided nation are doing their job.....

And they have been doing a very very good job of it the last 26 years or so.....

 
 
 
JohnRussell
5.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Nowhere Man @5    2 months ago

We have to face the fact that the vast majority of Trump supporters don't care about decency or honesty, if they did never in a million years would they continue to support Trump.

Michael Gerson, the author, is a Republican who worked in the Bush white house. . He is one of the many prominent Republicans who oppose Trump in the media, because they know that he is unfit, unhinged, and a threat to our nation.

There were of course, no such number of Democrats who felt similarly about Obama. That is just one of the discrepancies Trump apologists try to sweep under the rug.

Reckoning day is coming and all the trash will be swept out.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
5.1.1  igknorantzrulz  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1    2 months ago

i think he's a complete an utter asswhole, as are most of his defenders , imo

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
5.1.2  Nowhere Man  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1    2 months ago
Michael Gerson, the author, is a Republican who worked in the Bush white house.

Yeah, he's an evangelical "Establishment" republican, of course he would be against anything outside the establishment..... He was Bush's speechwriter and responsible for the speech bush gave outside the National cathedral after 9/11.....

"Grief and tragedy and hatred are only for a time. Goodness, remembrance, and love have no end. And the Lord of life holds all who die, and all who mourn."

Yep, the trash will be swept out thank god.... (coming sooner than anyone expects)

 
 
 
JohnRussell
5.1.3  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Nowhere Man @5.1.2    2 months ago
Yeah, he's an evangelical "Establishment" republican, of course he would be against anything outside the establishment...

Maybe, or maybe he's just against having a pathological liar in charge of our country. It's amazing the way you people find something wrong with everyone but Trump, when he is the one who has everything wrong with him.

I'll grant you that a lot of underinformed people were not familiar with Trump prior to when they voted for him in 2016, but no one has an excuse any more.

The decent people of America have to stand up to Trumpism. It is happening, but we also have to contend with the media tendency to normalize any outrageous thing if it can increase their own popularity or finances. So there is an ongoing attempt to normalize the piece of shit. We will see if America is willing to stand up. If Trump, a pathological liar, gets re-elected after a blizzard of lies, cheating and unimaginable ignorance it will be the lowest moment in the history of the country.

Whatever remnants of decency there are left in the Republican Party should  be planning how to convince him not to run next year.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
5.1.4  igknorantzrulz  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.3    2 months ago
Whatever remnants of decency there are left in the Republican Party should  be planning how to convince him not to run next year.

There are remnants of decency left...?

 
 
 
WallyW
5.1.5  WallyW  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1    2 months ago
We have to face the fact that the vast majority of Trump supporters don't care about decency or honesty, if they did never in a million years would they continue to support Trump.

That's another sweeping generalization that is untrue.

 
 
 
WallyW
5.1.6  WallyW  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.3    2 months ago
The decent people of America have to stand up to Trumpism.

No, they need to stand up to people like you.

 
 
 
Tessylo
5.1.7  Tessylo  replied to  igknorantzrulz @5.1.1    2 months ago
'i think he's a complete an utter asswhole, as are most of his defenders , imo'

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Don Overton
5.2  Don Overton  replied to  Nowhere Man @5    2 months ago

The only reason Obama needed any defending was because of the racism and bigotry bestowed upon him by republicans and continues to this day as the comment shows.

 
 
 
WallyW
5.2.1  WallyW  replied to  Don Overton @5.2    2 months ago

He was an unqualified idiot. The only reason he was elected was because of the color of his skin, not the lack of content in his character.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
5.2.2  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  WallyW @5.2.1    2 months ago

The man was a one term senator from Illinois who did not even finish one term and is said to have not even showed up half the time while the Senate was in session. Yep, real qualified he was...

 
 
 
Nerm_L
6  Nerm_L    2 months ago

So, IMPEACH TRUMP!

If Trump is that great a danger then impeaching Trump becomes a moral imperative.  Of course, it appears that it will be necessary to remove Nancy Pelosi before anyone will try to do the right thing.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
6.1  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Nerm_L @6    2 months ago

never seen anything like this total FCKN ABORTION

 
 
 
Tessylo
6.1.1  Tessylo  replied to  igknorantzrulz @6.1    2 months ago

Mama should have made daddy use a condom - or swallowed.  

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
6.2  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Nerm_L @6    2 months ago

Fact is that up to now, they have nothing concrete to impeach him on and they know it. At this point it is all posturing. If the left can come up with anything conclusive that stands up in a court of law then by all means impeach him and be done with it. I'm all for it, otherwise they should give it a rest...

 
 
 
JohnRussell
6.2.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @6.2    2 months ago

Look , Trump is not fit for office.  He is phenomenally dishonest, he is spectacularly and completely corrupt, and he is a monumental ignoramus. And I am not exaggerating one bit.

Those three facts in themselves disqualify him. This back and forth about "beyond a reasonable doubt evidence" is ridiculous.

Open your eyes for god's sake.

You aren't tired of Trump lying to you? You aren't sick of seeing this moron mis- state fact after fact that even 10 or 12 year olds know? You aren't fed up with his personal corruption?

Find another republican or conservative to run if that is what you want in office. That's fine. But stop pretending this piece of shit Trump is acceptable.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
6.2.2  Nerm_L  replied to  JohnRussell @6.2.1    2 months ago
Look , Trump is not fit for office.  He is phenomenally dishonest, he is spectacularly and completely corrupt, and he is a monumental ignoramus. And I am not exaggerating one bit

Then IMPEACH TRUMP already.  What other justifications are needed?

Why has it become impossible for Congress to protect the country and do the right thing?  Is winning elections really more important than protecting the free world from a dishonest and corrupt President?

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
6.2.3  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  JohnRussell @6.2.1    2 months ago

John, you keep trying to tell I support Trump when I have told you repeatedly I do not. Again, prove where I have said I approve or support him? You cannot and you know it! But because I have said I do not share your views, you automatically think I support him and accuse me of such. That is pretty hypocritical on your part. You tell me I need to open my eyes, but fail to heed your own advice...

 
 
 
WallyW
6.2.4  WallyW  replied to  JohnRussell @6.2.1    2 months ago

You're totally wrong on all this. Quit beating a dead horse topic.

 
 
 
WallyW
6.2.5  WallyW  replied to  JohnRussell @6.2.1    2 months ago
And I am not exaggerating one bit.

That's all you do, plus make stuff up, and say things you know not to be true.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
6.2.6  Jack_TX  replied to  WallyW @6.2.5    2 months ago
That's all you do, plus make stuff up, and say things you know not to be true.

I suspect he/she is doing so under multiple registrations.

 
 
 
Don Overton
6.3  Don Overton  replied to  Nerm_L @6    2 months ago

You really don't understand what she said do you Nerm

 
 
 
Nerm_L
6.3.1  Nerm_L  replied to  Don Overton @6.3    2 months ago
You really don't understand what she said do you Nerm

So, explain what Nancy Pelosi meant.

Isn't Pelosi's statements consistent with the precedent set by James Comey?

 
 
 
Tacos!
7  Tacos!    2 months ago
A President Who Is A Danger To Democracy

Good Grief! Shit like this is why I end up defending Trump all the time. There is plenty he says and does that I disagree with, but saying he is a danger to democracy is just beyond stupid. Democracy is doing just fine, but these hysterics with TDS say this apocalyptic crap and people just nod their heads and say "yup!"

There isn't even a crappy argument offered in this article that substantiates the claim that Democracy is in danger. There is nothing to suggest that people have lost the right to vote, that Congress can no longer pass laws, or that anyone who voted in 2016 or since has seen their vote uncounted or changed. And in fact, the House just switched from Republican to Democrat control, so Democracy seems to be rolling right along.

Why have conservatives come to the defense of a leader with decidedly unconservative views on trade and foreign policy?

Maybe a more important question would be "why have liberals insisted on attacking at every turn someone with decidedly unconservative views on . . . well . . . lots of things?" You'd think they'd support some of his ideas since they campaigned on a lot of it within the last decade or two. e.g., infrastructure spending, criminal justice reform, pulling troops out of foreign wars, improving (not scrapping) NAFTA, and yes - border security.

I think the answer is pretty obviously that they are more interested in political power than they are in serving the country and they don't actually believe in much beyond achieving and protecting that power.

 
 
 
Texan1211
7.1  Texan1211  replied to  Tacos! @7    2 months ago

I remember when failing to accept the results of an elections was cause for alarm because it was a "threat to democracy".

I wonder whatever happened to those folks who said that?

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
7.1.1  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Texan1211 @7.1    2 months ago
I wonder whatever happened to those folks who said that?

well,

one of them is POTUS, no ?

The rigged system he played like Putins Monkey grinding his organ

donor card till raw

 
 
 
Texan1211
7.1.2  Texan1211  replied to  igknorantzrulz @7.1.1    2 months ago
well,

one of them is POTUS, no ?

Um, NO. Your little darling Hillary said that failure to accept the results of an election was a threat to democracy. I am rather surprised you didn't recognize her words. Well, not really surprised all that much. It doesn't sit well with you now, so of course she must not have said it, right?

LMAO!

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
7.1.3  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Texan1211 @7.1.2    2 months ago
Um, NO. Your little darling Hillary said that failure to accept the results of an election was a threat to democracy. I am rather surprised you didn't recognize her words. Well, not really surprised all that much. It doesn't sit well with you now, so of course she must not have said it, right? LMAO!

my litle darling Hillary..?

Show me ONCE, Where i EVER said such.

I've ALWAYS stated i was never a fan of the Hil,

but compared to Trump...

WHAT DA FCK

 
 
 
Don Overton
7.2  Don Overton  replied to  Tacos! @7    2 months ago

https://www.thenation.com/article/donald-trumps-war-on-democracy/

 
 
 
WallyW
7.3  WallyW  replied to  Tacos! @7    2 months ago
but saying he is a danger to democracy is just beyond stupid.

Yes, it is stupid. Trump's biggest danger is to the Democrats. They have no idea how to handle him, and keep thinking that if they beat the drums of negativity loud and long enough, that they might keep him from being reelected, now that there is no chance of him being impeached.

 
 
 
Cerenkov
7.3.1  Cerenkov  replied to  WallyW @7.3    2 months ago

[delete]

 
 
 
livefreeordie
8  livefreeordie    2 months ago

Actually everyone who loves liberty and our Constitutional Republic should be an enemy of democracies as our founders were.  

The democracy the Democrats call for is nothing more than communism with a different name

Ben Franklin said it best: "A democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch."

“Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide. It is in vain to say that democracy is less vain, less proud, less selfish, less ambitious, or less avaricious than aristocracy or monarchy. It is not true, in fact, and nowhere appears in history. Those passions are the same in all men, under all forms of simple government, and when unchecked, produce the same effects of fraud, violence, and cruelty. When clear prospects are opened before vanity, pride, avarice, or ambition, for their easy gratification, it is hard for the most considerate philosophers and the most conscientious moralists to resist the temptation. Individuals have conquered themselves. Nations and large bodies of men, never.”

— John Adams (1797-1801) Second President of the United States and Patriot

"Democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine percent."

Thomas Jefferson, Author of the Declaration of Independence, 3rd President of the U. S.

"In democracy … there are commonly tumults and disorders … Therefore a pure democracy is generally a very bad government. It is often the most tyrannical government on earth.”

— Noah Webster (1758-1843)  Father of the Dictionary & American Patriot

“All such men are, or ought to be, agreed, that simple governments are despotisms; and of all despotisms, a democracy, though the least durable, is the most violent.”

— Fisher Ames (1758-1808) Founding Father and framer of the First Amendment to the Constitution

“Republicanism is not the phantom of a deluded imagination. On the contrary, laws, under no form of government, are better supported, liberty and property better secured, or happiness more effectually dispensed to mankind.”

— George Washington (1732-1799) Father of the Country, 1st President of the United States

"The republican is the only form of government which is not eternally at open or secret war with the rights of mankind."

— Thomas Jefferson, Author of the Declaration of Independence, 3rd President of the U. S.

“The known propensity of a democracy is to licentiousness, which the ambitious call, and the ignorant believe to be, liberty.”

— Fisher Ames (1758-1808) Founding Father and framer of the First Amendment to the Constitution

“But between a balanced republic and a democracy, the difference is like that between order and chaos.”

— John Marshall (1755-1835) House Member, Secretary of State  and Chief Justice of the Supreme Court

"Democracy is the most vile form of government...Democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security, or the rights of property; and have, in general, been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths."

— James Madison (1751-1836) Father of the Constitution, 4th President of the United States

“The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter.”

— Winston Churchill (1874-1965), British Politician & Leader.

“Democracy: The worship of jackals by jackasses.”

— Henry L. Mencken (1880-1956) American Writer

"Democracy is a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance.”

— Henry L. Mencken (1880-1956) American Writer

“It is a besetting vice of democracies to substitute public opinion for law. This is the usual form in which masses of men exhibit their tyranny.”

— James Fenimore Cooper (1789–1851) American historical novelist

“Democracy means simply the bludgeoning of the people by the people for the people.”

— Oscar Wilde (1854-1900) Irish Playwright and Novelist

 
 
 
Tessylo
8.1  Tessylo  replied to  livefreeordie @8    2 months ago

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321steve
9  321steve    2 months ago

How Can You Defend A President Who Is A Danger To Democracy?

Greed 

 
 
 
JBB
9.1  JBB  replied to  321steve @9    2 months ago

I was going to say criminal avarice but greed sums it up quite nicely, too...

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
10  Sean Treacy    2 months ago

His opponents openly discuss packing the Supreme court.

Nothing he's done approaches that type of threat to our system of governance. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
11  Jeremy Retired in NC    2 months ago

It's not President Trump that's trying to alter the democratic voting process in this country.  It's the Democrats

It's not President Trump that's trying to lower the voting age in this country.  It's the Democrats

It's not President Trump that's allowing illegals to vote in this country.  It's the Democrats

It's not President Trump that's launched an waste of money / time investigation into nothing.  It's the Democrats

And all because they lost an election to the "New Guy".

 
 
 
Badfish H҉a҉n҉d҉ ҉o҉f҉ ҉D҉o҉o҉m҉
12  Badfish H҉a҉n҉d҉ ҉o҉f҉ ҉D҉o҉o҉m҉    2 months ago

In 2020 Democrats have to sell us on how they make our economy better. The problem is they have no idea how to do it.

All we are going to get from Democrats is some radical SJW bullshit most Americans don't give a flip about.

People are employed and doing better. The bizarro rhetoric isn't resonating.

Get a real plan....

 
 
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