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Senate democrats go on the record

  

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By:  vic-eldred  •  6 years ago  •  49 comments

Senate democrats go on the record
"This climate problem is a massive one and we must act, but aspirational documents will not solve this crisis –real solutions focused on innovation will ... The truth is even if we zero out our country’s use of fossil fuels tomorrow, we must face the facts that other nations have invested in and will continue to use fossil fuels to develop their economies for decades to come. We cannot successfully address our climate challenge by eliminating sources of energy that countries are committed to...

Yesterday Senate leader Mitch McConnell forced democrats to put up or shut up on their "Green New Deal". The monstrous democratic proposal failed to get the 60 votes necessary to begin debate on a non binding resolution. As a matter of fact, it didn't get any "yes" votes, not a single one! Forty two democrats voted "present".  Odd isn't it?  You might think they would vote their convictions even if their constituents may not like it. Ah, ya, even a radical needs to get re-elected. I guess that was the moral of the story yesterday.

Democratic Sens. Doug Jones of Alabama, Joe Manchin of West Virginia and Kyrsten Sinema of Arizona actually joined 53 Republicans in voting "no."

Joe Manchin explained his vote:
"This climate problem is a massive one and we must act, but aspirational documents will not solve this crisis –real solutions focused on innovation will ... The truth is even if we zero out our country’s use of fossil fuels tomorrow, we must face the facts that other nations have invested in and will continue to use fossil fuels to develop their economies for decades to come. We cannot successfully address our climate challenge by eliminating sources of energy that countries are committed to using."

Sen. Roy Blunt was amazed by it. He said "I've never seen a bill sponsored by a dozen people who don't want to vote on it" 



As usual Mitch McConnell had the final word:

"The way to do this, consistent with American values and American capitalism, is through technology and innovation, not to shut down your economy, throw people out of work, make people reconstruct their homes, get out of their cars, you get the whole drift here. This is nonsense, and if you’re going to sign on to nonsense, you ought to have to vote for nonsense."



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Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1  author  Vic Eldred    6 years ago

To be filed under "Be careful what you wish for"

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
1.1  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    6 years ago

Very true.

 
 
 
Don Overton
Sophomore Quiet
1.2  Don Overton  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    6 years ago

As usual Mitch McConnell had the final word:

The turtle is nothing more than a political waste of time.  I guess republicans can't recognize what a sham is , but McConnell sure as hell knows.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Expert
1.2.2  Sparty On  replied to  Don Overton @1.2    6 years ago

Yeah he better watch it, the botox witch of the west may deploy her flying monkeys on him.

Scary!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
2  JohnRussell    6 years ago

Joe Manchin is lashed to fossil fuel use because of his geographical location. To say his view is tainted is putting it mildly.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @2    6 years ago

Is that your way of saying he represents his constituents? What about the sponsors of this atrocity? Why didn't they vote for it?

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
2.1.1  Jasper2529  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1    6 years ago
What about the sponsors of this atrocity? Why didn't they vote for it?

They were obeying AOC and Schumer.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.1.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jasper2529 @2.1.1    6 years ago

Can you imagine following the commands of a 29 year old who thinks the world will end in 12 years and a 68 year old politician who wept over the travel ban? How do these sheep get elected?

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
2.1.3  Jasper2529  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.2    6 years ago
Can you imagine following the commands of a 29 year old who thinks the world will end in 12 years and a 68 year old politician who wept over the travel ban?

Both of them are drama queens. 

How do these sheep get elected?

Stupid and uninformed voters.

 
 
 
It Is ME
Masters Guide
2.1.4  It Is ME  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.2    6 years ago
Can you imagine following the commands of a 29 year old who thinks the world will end in 12 years

16 year old's must already be voting. jrSmiley_19_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3  JohnRussell    6 years ago

They had a very good reason for voting present. As Democrats explained, the vote was a sham by which McConnell seeked to promote dissension within the Democrats. Some of them oppose the new green deal at this stage, as we know.

This vote is really not a big deal at all. It is barely news.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @3    6 years ago
Some of them oppose the new green deal at this stage, as we know.

But what about the ones who were in favor of it as presented by the little space shot from NY?  Why did they do as they were told by a member of the House and vote present???


This vote is really not a big deal at all.

It is if your'e concerned with the hypocrisy & cowardice of elected officials

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1    6 years ago

I thought these were valid questions, but obviously, there is no answer. Was it Jamie Diamond who said "it is times like these when the timid seek cover" ?

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Expert
3.2  Sparty On  replied to  JohnRussell @3    6 years ago

Nah, Dems who voted "present" are simply playing politics because they know, if they vote for something like this they would likely be toast come election time.   That and they knew it had ZERO chance of getting to 60 votes.   Three Dems voted courageously, the rest voted cowardly in SOSDD fashion .....  

That said i'm actually surprised some didn't vote yes so they could have their very own, self generated "Spartacus" moment.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
3.3  Jasper2529  replied to  JohnRussell @3    6 years ago
This vote is really not a big deal at all. It is barely news.

Maybe to some, but it seems that it's a big deal to NPR, CNBC, Politico, CBS, NYT, Business Insider, The Hill, USAToday, Fox News, WaPo, NBC, NY Post, AP, and many others.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.4  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @3    6 years ago
It is barely news.

Oh, dear...

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4  author  Vic Eldred    6 years ago

HICKENLOOPER IS FIRST 2020 DEM CANDIDATE TO REJECT GREEN NEW DEAL:   Former Colorado Gov.   John Hickenlooper   (D), a 2020 presidential candidate, came out against the Green New Deal on Tuesday, saying that he supports the "concept," but feels the resolution "sets unachievable goals."

In an op-ed published Tuesday in The Washington Post, Hickenlooper said the scope of the resolution introduced by Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) and Sen. Ed Markey (D-Mass.) was too wide for the technology currently available to help reduce greenhouse gas emissions.

"The resolution sets unachievable goals. We do not yet have the technology needed to reach 'net-zero greenhouse gas emissions' in 10 years. That's why many wind and solar companies don't support it," Hickenlooper wrote.

"In addition to technological barriers, the Ocasio-Cortez-Markey resolution sets the Green New Deal up for failure by shifting away from private decision-making and toward the public sector -- including multiple provisions with little connection to reducing greenhouse gas emissions," he continued.

Hickenlooper pointed to provisions of the Green New Deal resolution that called for a federal jobs guarantee -- a program that would provide any American with a job -- as unrealistic.

"This provision, along with others, would produce a massive expansion of government that would likely be far too expensive and complex to execute effectively in the urgent time frame we are facing," he wrote.

Solving climate change, Hickenlooper contended, involves engaging with the private sector and the nation's top universities to spur innovation.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Expert
4.1  Sparty On  replied to  Vic Eldred @4    6 years ago

With a name like that, this guy has a chance.   Think of all the campaign slogan possibilities .....

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.1.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sparty On @4.1    6 years ago

Close to the name of the law firm Groucho Marx used to refer to......"Hickenlooper Hickenlooper & Hickenlooper"  and don't leave out the last Hickenlooper. He was the father..the brains of the firm!

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Expert
4.1.2  Sparty On  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.1    6 years ago

Lol .... no one will ever beat the firm name in the Three Stooges:

Dewey, Cheetum and Howe

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.1.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sparty On @4.1.2    6 years ago

That's three of a kind that beats a full house!

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Expert
4.1.4  Sparty On  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.3    6 years ago

The perfect law firm ....

 
 
 
Snuffy
Professor Participates
4.1.5  Snuffy  replied to  Sparty On @4.1    6 years ago

I don't know...    do people really like a bumper sticker that covers the ENTIRE bumper?

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
4.1.6  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Sparty On @4.1    6 years ago

Could be worse. His last name could be Schicklgruber...

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5  author  Vic Eldred    6 years ago

The Senate voted on the Green New Deal today: 0 Yeas, 57 Nays, and 43 Senators voted PRESENT

 
 
 
It Is ME
Masters Guide
6  It Is ME    6 years ago

The new "Green Deal" is great....."Say" the Democrats running for president.

In fact....It's soooo GREAT.....I vote …...uh …… " I'm here sitting in my assigned seat" ?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  It Is ME @6    6 years ago

I'll tell you one thing....If Tony Montana believed in it, he would have stood up and voted for it!

 
 
 
It Is ME
Masters Guide
6.1.1  It Is ME  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1    6 years ago
Tony Montana

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"Say hello to my little friend".....

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.1.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  It Is ME @6.1.1    6 years ago

Lol.....right!   Everybody was so good in that movie!  I especially liked Miriam Colon as his mother. She was the embodiment of the Cuban refugees who came here. They have been an asset to this country. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
Masters Guide
6.1.3  It Is ME  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.2    6 years ago

I was a Alejandro Sosa fan.

This brings up fond memories of the "South Park" Episode ………. Kentucky Fried Chicken.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.1.4  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  It Is ME @6.1.3    6 years ago

The late Paul Shenar was great in the role of Sosa. Did you know that character was based on a real Bolivian (not Columbia) drug lord, named Roberto Suarez Gomez?

 
 
 
It Is ME
Masters Guide
6.1.5  It Is ME  replied to  It Is ME @6.1.3    6 years ago

The Colonel's Home !

 
 
 
It Is ME
Masters Guide
6.1.6  It Is ME  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.4    6 years ago
Did you know that character was based on a real Bolivian (not Columbia) drug lord, named Roberto Suarez Gomez?

I actually didn't, but he was great in his role !

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.1.7  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  It Is ME @6.1.5    6 years ago

"Tony, I think you speak from the heart, there is no lying in you...

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.1.8  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  It Is ME @6.1.6    6 years ago

He had a long career with very small roles before he got to be Sosa..

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It Is ME
Masters Guide
6.1.9  It Is ME  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.7    6 years ago
"Tony, I think you speak from the heart, there is no lying in you...

jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

Tony shouldn't have fucked Sosa !

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.1.10  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  It Is ME @6.1.9    6 years ago

Tony wasn't going to allow the murder of innocent children. It was just one of those things!

 
 
 
It Is ME
Masters Guide
6.1.11  It Is ME  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.10    6 years ago
Tony wasn't going to allow the murder of innocent children. It was just one of those things!

Yep !

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
7  author  Vic Eldred    6 years ago

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Sen. John Cornyn, a Republican from Texas, speaks during the 2019 CERAWeek by IHS Markit conference in Houston.

"This week, the U.S. Senate took a consequential vote for Texas, and the Houston region in particular — a vote on a resolution calling for America to adopt a “Green New Deal.” Not a single Senator voted in favor of it.

Framed as a way to fight climate change and invigorate the already thriving economy, the Green New Deal mentions things like creating high-wage jobs, investing in infrastructure and industry and promoting justice and equality.

But if you are looking for a roadmap for how to reach these laudable goals, you are likely to be disappointed. Though supporters of the Green New Deal are long on utopian buzzwords, they’re short on details of how to actually achieve these goals. Even more concerning is a lack of ways to pay for them."

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/opinion/outlook/article/Cornyn-Green-New-Deal-is-bad-for-Texans-Opinion-13718700.php?

 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
8  author  Vic Eldred    6 years ago

Late breakfast for me today. Be back later

 
 
 
mocowgirl
Professor Silent
10  mocowgirl    6 years ago

The US will become "green" when the fossil fuel owners have finished fracking the US.

In the meantime, China is benefiting from the fracking and also innovating and implementing renewable energy domestically and globally while the US government relies on promoting use of fossil fuels domestically and globally.

When renewable energy technology makes renewable energy costs competitive with fossil fuels then the countries with companies that hold patents for renewable technology will most likely be the richest and most powerful nations.  The fossil fuel owners have been allowed to stifle renewable innovation and implementation in the US to the detriment of all of us who do not own stock in fossil fuels.

We should have already developed today's renewable technology decades ago.  However, because China will continue to rely on fossil fuels heavily for at least the next decade, I have my doubts that the US government will back "green" projects as long as it is owned, controlled and/or sponsored in any form by the fossil fuel industry.

WHEN IT COMES to energy, no country generates such bittersweet superlatives as China. It is the world’s largest consumer of coal and the second-largest of oil, after America. It has the largest power-generation capacity, by a wide margin. It also produces more carbon dioxide than any other country.

China is hoping to deal with this over-dependence on fossil fuels partly by rebalancing the economy away from energy-intensive industries. But it also leads the world in clean energy. In recent years, through a combination of subsidies, policy targets and manufacturing incentives, it has spent more on cleaning up its energy system than America and the EU combined. Last year alone it shelled out $132bn, according to Bloomberg New Energy Finance (BNEF), a consultancy.

The International Energy Agency (IEA) says China has one-third of the world’s wind power, a quarter of its solar capacity, six of the top ten solar-panel manufacturers and four of the top ten wind-turbine makers. It sells more electric vehicles than the rest of the world combined. It also leads the world in construction of nuclear power plants. In December it gave the go-ahead for what is expected to be the world’s largest carbon-trading scheme.

Given China’s thirst for energy, the combined impact of these advances in renewables is still relatively small. Non-fossil-fuel energy, chiefly hydro and nuclear, accounts for only 12% of its total energy mix. And China is far from self-sufficient. That is why, for the next decade at least, China’s main energy-related geopolitical concern will be the need to secure fossil fuels.
 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
10.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  mocowgirl @10    6 years ago

"As a result of higher energy consumption, carbon dioxide emissions rose 1.7 percent last year and hit a new record, according to the  report , which was released Monday by the  International Energy Agency  (IEA). 

The report is the latest assessment of global energy consumption and energy-related carbon dioxide emissions for 2018, the IEA said.

Coal remains the planet's top source for electricity. While many countries are slowly phasing out coal in favor of other fossil fuels such as natural gas, coal use rose, thanks to a fleet of relatively new plants in Asia.

"The majority of coal-fired generation capacity today is found in Asia , with 12-year-old plants on average, decades short of average lifetimes of around 50 years," Monday's report said.


 
 
 
mocowgirl
Professor Silent
10.1.1  mocowgirl  replied to  Vic Eldred @10.1    6 years ago

The poorest countries rely on the cheapest energy sources.  Is this surprising?

China is in a position to transition to somewhat cleaner fossil fuel (propane) due China's economic growth due to US companies investing in China's infrastructure, employing China's work force and the US government's legalizing the exportation of propane.

Some info about the natural gas market.  It is interesting that Russia happens to be the major competitor for fossil fuel dominance on a global scale.  That could have been a factor on the political wrangling to make Russia the #1 enemy of the US in order to implement sanctions to try to cripple Russia's fossil fuel exports.  A few years ago, China was trying to buy partnerships in Russia owned fossil fuel companies. This would have exempted China's Russian from US sanctions.  I don't know if China completed the transaction.

No. 4: Natural gas is abundant

The U.S. has 2.5 quadrillion cubic feet of recoverable natural gas resources, according to the latest report by the U.S. Energy Information Administration. That’s enough to last the country about 90 years at the current consumption rate. Meanwhile, total global gas reserves are estimated at nearly 7 quadrillion cubic feet, with Russia the largest reserve holder. Because natural gas is so abundant, there’s plenty of it to meet rising demand. Further, much of this gas can be accessed cheaply, which could enable producers to earn large profits.

No. 5: These are the world’s largest natural gas producers

U.S. is the largest gas-producing country in the world, contributing 20% of the global total, followed by Russia at 17.3%, Iran at 6.1%, and a tie between Canada and Qatar at 4.8%. Meanwhile, the   largest gas producing company in the world   is Russia’s   Gazprom   (NASDAQOTH: OGZPY), which supplies 12% of the global total. In the U.S.,   EQT Corp   (NYSE: EQT) is the   largest gas producer  after it vaulted past   ExxonMobil   (NYSE: XOM) -- which is the third-largest gas producer globally -- due to its acquisition of Rice Energy last year. Larger natural gas producing companies benefit from having greater scale, which enables them to produce gas for cheaper prices than most of their smaller rivals. Those lower costs should help them make more money, which is why investors should focus their attention on the top producers.

No. 6: The natural gas market is very localized

The oil market is global. In 2017, 68.8% of the oil produced flowed from one country to another, with the bulk of it transported by tanker on the open seas. China was the largest net importer at 9.1 million barrels per day (BPD) while Russia was the largest net exporter at 8.6 million BPD. The natural gas market, on the other hand, is much more localized since it can’t move by tanker unless it’s turned into a liquid, which requires a specialized process. Those transportation limitations can cause regions without enough infrastructure to suffer from lower prices in areas of abundant supplies while high demand areas could see higher prices. Because of that, investors need to pay attention to whether a natural gas company has access to adequate infrastructure. Otherwise, its stock could underperform rivals that can sell their gas to higher-priced markets.
 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
10.1.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  mocowgirl @10.1.1    6 years ago
The poorest countries rely on the cheapest energy sources.  Is this surprising?

That's not the point. The US can cut back it's own use of fossil fuels to the point of zero and it won't do much without the rest of the world getting involved. America is one country, not a planet to itself. That EPA report which was just released Monday demonstrates that China and India are the countries that need convincing!!!

 
 

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